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♪ hello america, i am mark levin, this is "life, liberty and levin." this is an important show. i have two very important guests, my first guest is somebody you need to know, retired british colonel richard kemp. he has spent most of his life fighting terrorism and insurgency.
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commanding british troops on the front line of some of the world's toughest hot spots, including afghanistan, iraq. the balkans, northern island. he was -- ireland. he was sent to kabul in 2003. writing about richard, forces at the time said, his effort led to most successful, counterterrorism operation in kabul. setting back the enemy campaign. in more recent years, he spent several years in downing street, head of international terrorism team, he was responsible for producing assessment on growing global terrorism problem at the time for the cabinet.
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colonel kemp spent 3 months on a special intelligence assignment in baghdad, fallujah and >> for bravery, that sets stage for our discussion. colonel kemp how are you sir. >> very well, mark, thank you, real pressure. mark: i wanted american people to have a perspective from command or ground who fought in afghanistan but what you have seen taking place from britain over the last week or so. from my perspective, and perspective of a lot of americans this is a humiliation and disaster and surrender on terms that taliban wanted. i am deeply concerned this is a tipping point in the decline of the united states, military power, and the rise of the
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communist chinese. i have laid a lot out there. i would like your take on what you have seen. >> i'd like to begin by saying, i served alongside, fought alongside u.s. forces in different places in the world, i have the greatest admiration and respect for american armed forces, anything i might say, any criticism, i might make in relation to afghanistan is not a criticism of the u.s. forces. i think this what we're seeing, what we have seen the last few days, is the greatest foreign policy disaster that i've seen in my lifetime, from any western country, this is the most disaster us foreign policy event since at least second world war for the united states of america. it is -- has unbelievable
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strategic, consequences, beyond afghanistan, people compare vietnam and saigon to what they are seeing now on television. i think it worse. it very different to that. it did take the american armed forces 15 years to recover from saigon, it took them until the gulf war in 1991 that is the scale of the disaster they faced in 75. this is worse, i think it is worse because in saigon. in vietnam, north vietnamese were not trying to attack or to destroy the united states of america. they were very much focused on that country on vietnam. when the u.s. left, it left a failed strategy. a failed war in effect for a number of reasons, but it did not leave a war it should have
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still been fighting, in this situation in kabul, the the reason we were there was to prevent another 9/11, prevent another serious terrorist attack against the west from afghanistan. we succeeded in that in 20 years. but as we're leaving, i think that threat remains. and it is reenergize that threat, i think that threat is worse now than it was before 9/11, the threat of to the west, and we have done what al qaeda wanted to us do on 9/11, they brought down the twin tower, to lure the united states into afghanistan. where they would destroy the u.s. forces and humiliate the u.s. in the world. it is 20 years later, but pretty much that is what they have achieved now, the american forces have not been destroyed or defeated on the battle feel, but they have been humiliated by
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their president. and the whole of the united states of america, and the western world, also been humiliated. it goes beyond, that the nato alliance, our own defense secretary in britain, said he would attempt to cobble together a coalition of nato states without america to remain in av, nobody took his call, that says what nato circumstance nate -- nato is, nato is a paper tiger. when america pulls out nato is nowhere, others have massive strategic implications for the world and for the u.s. preprestige and good u.s. has done in the world, undermined by joe biden's catastrophic decision to are draw, know conditionally -- withdraw unconditionally with any regard who what is going on to unconditionally withdraw from the country of afghanistan. >> president biden has trashed
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the afghan soldiers and army, what do you say about that? >> i would say. that i never heard such a disgraceful speech from the president of the united states much america as i heard the other day he said the buck stops with me, but he then the went on to explain how the buck stopped with everyone else, it was not with him, it was everyone else, starting with president trump, and suggesting for one moment he was forced to carry out a policy like this because of president trump's policy is laughable, a pit -- pitiful excuse for what he has done.
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there were other options, he did not have to take this option, it is not president trump's fault or anyone's else's fault it is fault of the president of the united states of america, for that man to basically accuse afghan forces of cowardice, a man who never fought himself, i should add, i think that is a national disgrace for america. the afghan national security forces, have thought and died alongside american soldiers in afghanistan. and british soldiers. and 50,000 of them, 50,000 of them, have been killed in action against the taliban in the last 7 years, that is a phenomenal number. it dwarfs casualties that we
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britain and america took, for him to accuse them was not fighting and being cowards is shameful. he neglected to force out the the reason they collapsed is because he pulled rug out from under their feet, they were doing most of the fights in afghanistan. it was the afghan army that was going most of the fighting and dying in afghanistan. but they depended on air support from the united states, they depended on technical support to keep their own aircraft flying and logistic support as well, without that, they were far less capable of combat than they were with it. but even worse, more serious i,i believe is that decision of united states to leave afghanistan. to abandon afghanistan, was such a devastating blow to their moral, u.s. was their final
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guarantor of success, not having their country taken over by by e taliban and not being defeated themselves. the americans were final backstop. when went, afghanistan forces' moral collapsed, we saw the consequences of that. and same applied to the regional governs in the provincial capitals in afghanistan. they recognize that -- there was no chance of survival on their own without the u.s. they many of them went to the other side, or ran away. that is the reality. as a former soldier, who fought in afghanistan and the world, i just, was horrified by president biden's brands of the afghan
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army as cowards. mark: when we come back, some people in u.s. say it was 20 year war, 20 years is long enough, you said the brunt of the war was fought by the afghan army. we had 2500 noncombatant troops there. we had not lost an american soldier in 18 months. is it really to be considered a 20 year war or conversely? now what shaped. -- what happened. is it not now a 20 year war, 40 year war, 50 year war taken what has taken place in afghanistan, i'm curious to your answer, and how this changessure entire oure national security. that we now have in store for
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career stop offs was afghanistan as commander of british forces. my question to you, given what has taken place in afghanistan, and on go, assuming that joe biden stays the same course, what are consequences for united states, britain, nato, free world and that area of the world. >> the consequences of what is happening are devastating for the whole of the western world. i mentioned earlier that the catastrophic affect on nato. nato is an important military alliance. many presidents have criticized it. but president biden has just destroyed its credibility. single-handedly. we face now is a terrorist threat coming out of
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afghanistan. that is greater than the terrorist threat before 9/11. jihadists in the world have been celebrating the events. the president of pakistan, who himself celebrated it, he should be pakistan funded the taliban throughout the campaign, while same time paid vast amounts of money by america and britain. but they are celebrating in the world, hamas and gaza celebrating here. and they will be reenergized and their recruitment has been boosted, they will launch attacks in the world against our countries as they did when they were inspired by the islamic state. al qaeda and the islamic state are strong in afghanistan at the moment, al qaeda fought along side taliban in recent battles,
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they will allow them to operate freely there. they can operate more freely than they could before 9/11, they know there is he fear of western intervention now, that is history, that is not happening again, they know that, they will be boulder. and jihadists from world will flock to afghanistan to train, prepare and launch attacked against the west. it is higher than it was at height. that one aspect of the situation. there is no one really who is celebrating this situation more than russia and china. they are the greatest cheerleaders for what happened, they helped to bring it about. they now will be emboldened themselves, they have done a huge part against the the west
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for now, they will look at deterrent that u.s. used to present, now they will say they pretty much have an open field to do almost whatever they like. those country we had hoped to entice to our side, in the to the western's sphere, those countries will way, why would we do that? these people are fairwweather friends, we cannot rely on them, or trust them, they will see russia and china as the more reliable ally than any country in the west, that will be damaging for our ability to wield power, that is one of the reasons that president biden gave for pulling out of afghanistan. that he would focus more effort, be able to focus more effort on confronting china and russia. this is the reverse of what he expected to happen. so many other implications, that
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i could go through, i won't. i think those are probably the most severe implications, we'll see china holding the upper hand over afghanistan now. with pakistan. and they will use their influence together with russia and iran in afghanistan, they will use that influence not only to enrich themselves by floundering afghanistan -- plundering afghanistan minerals and resources but using what they have there to hit the west, the world became vastly more dangerous, president biden humiliated the united states high -- humiliated u.s. army in my opinion, i don't say this lightly, i never said it about anyone else in this position, people have been talking about impeaching president biden, i don't believe he should be impeached, he is commander and chief of u.s. armed forces who
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is surrendered to the taliban. he should not be impeached, he should be court-martials for betraying u.s. of america and u.s. armed forces. >> colonel kemp, a couple questions. if you are taiwan now, or ukraine. dealing with russia or israel. deal be with iran and a whole host of terrorists, you have opinion relying on united states as an ally, you have a lot to worry about, now, down you? >> you have a lot to worry about. and president of taiwan made a statement when she said that -- which she said we now need in light of what is going on in afghanistan we need to look at strengthening our own defensive efforts, that is telling, they are not capable of defending themselves against china, they need the united states, now they
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are wondering if they got the united states, and same for ukraine, ukraine is in grave danger, israel, other gulf states in middle east are in grave danger, not only has president biden surrendered to the taliban but also been appeasing iran and encouraging iran to get back to nuclear deal that threatens all country in the middle east, led to an arms race in the meet. those countries -- middle east, those countries no longer rely on the u.s., they can't. and so, i think that you know, it leads to us a very, very shaky and unstable situation. they recognize that iran as much as they are aafraid iran is emboldened, they have interest in afghanistan but they are emboldened by weakness they have seen in united states, that will encourage them to be even more aggressive in the region.
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and they will push harder to destroy israel by sitting up bases of attack in syria, and reinforcing their present in lebanon. they will be doing working harder yet against saudi arabia, they have been at war with, proxy war via yemen and reenergize across the region, we'll see great danger from iran and other countries that are no longer deterred by the united states. mark: we'll be right back. for t! forty percent of people with type 2 diabetes will develop chronic kidney disease, or ckd. did you know ckd can lead to kidney failure and dialysis? kidney alert! ckd often has no symptoms until it's too late! help protect your kidneys. call your doctor for a uacr test. it shows one of the earliest signs for ckd.
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jon: welcome to fox news live, i am jon scott, record setting rain in middle tennessee leaves at least 22 people dead, two children a among the victims, and 50 others missing. >> 17 inches of rain fell over 6 hours. resulting in flash floods that swept homes away. >> tropical storm henri continues to weaken across central connecticut, making landfall today in rhode island, 80,000 people in two states are without power. >> president biden addressing nation today telling u.s. that pace of the american load led, evacuation in kabul is picking up speed, pentagon engaging 6
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american commercial airline to help move refugees outside of afghanistan. >> i am jon scott, now back to "life, liberty and levin." ♪ ♪ ♪ mark: welcome back. colonel richard kemp, my question to you is very brave one. is america in the decline? can america come back? is china on the rise? what do you make of all this? >> before i answer that, i would like to say also that i don't think that america alone is responsible for this situation, i think european countries also share a degree of the flame -- the blame, president biden should take most of the responsibility but there are other other sovereign states.
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not america alone, i think that america is to blame but there is a huge amount of responsibility on britain's shoulders production. in terms of decline of united states, we have seen a settled world order. since 1945 pretty much. we had many conflicts since then. but pretty. the world order has been largely settled. we saw shifting dynamic in relation to communist russia. soviet union. but the situation has been stable. we got used to i think world of increasing prosperity, a world of great stability, for pretty much every country in the west, including the u.s., we find it kind of inconceivable that will be changed. people talk about the threat of
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climate change. the threats from coronavirus. and all the rest of it. but i believe that the threat from the actions of the united states in this situation has been far more consequential than either of those problems. because i do believe that not only are we seeing a united states about to go into deep decline internationally after this. china was already clawing its way up. we were allowing it to. we were kind of asleep at the wheel while it happened, not only america but european countries as well, allowing it to claw its way up to the top. on the back of our technology. of our education. of our financial resources. that is what they have been doing. but now we potentially face a situation where china actually does come out on top, america
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descends, and ends up under the dom nation of china -- dom nation, i don't think that is out of the question, i think that could happen. but we need to regain the situation. the situation can be regained. i mentioned before that it took 15 years from saigon, in '75 until first gulf war to regain america's status, i think it is worst, it could take several decades to recover, but recover we must, and as quickly as possible. i think that america, in my opinion, america is the greatest country in the world, and america cannot a-- the world cannot afford for that state us statusand position of leadershid good it has done in the world, i don't think we can allow it to go. it is you know the action resulting from this is a decision for the u.s., but i as
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a brit, encourage people of u.s. to turn the situation around, you will not turn it around with the people at helm who are there now. >> that is what the american people need to comprehend, half of the country does and half does not biden president of united states, leadership of democrat party runs congress, they picked generals and national security advisers, and secretary of state. doomisticly they make the decisions, on open borders, on whether they embrace capitalism, or form of marxism. and country that bleeds from within will need from without too. it the make bad decision, if you don't believe in the united states of america here at home, you sure as hell are not going to believe in strength and morals of the united states of america at brode, general, you ,
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thank you so much for coming on the program, your war against terror, your war for freedom, your support, for great know, b, and nato and united states, thank you very much. >> god bless you my friend. >> thank you very much. mark: we'll be right back. even if no one's there. and sgt moore. who leaves room for her room. with usaa safepilot, when you drive safe... ...you can save up to 30% on your auto insurance. get a quote and start saving. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for.
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mark: welcome back america. our next guest, a great man. former chief of staff for u.s. national security council under president trump. 1990-91 chief of staff for 82 airborne during operation desert storm. silver star, several bronze stars, general kellogg thank
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you. we heard a lot from president biden and surrogate in media, he flames everyone but himself for what has now transpired in afghanistan. he is blaming intelligence, the military, blaming the afghans. and he is blaming president trump. as for president trump, you were there. president trump dealt with the taliban. i also remember general, he was not a push over. he very practical, principled man, we saw that iraq. we saw him take out caliphate. and take out baghdadi, we saw him in syria, he hit them twice. we saw in afghanistan. he didn't rush to remove every single person out of afghanistan. in fact i remember a few years ago he dropped a big bomb on top
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of those people. when they were organizing for another offensive against the afghan soldiers and our soldiers. what do you say to president biden and his surrogates, we just picked up the plan that trump put together, we have no choice. >> thank you, mark, that absurd, i spent 1461 days in white house, the reason we wanted to withdraw from afghanistan to on onthe -- pivot to face china, it was an emerging threat and russia. for two years we thought our way through it the last two we went into execution mode, 18 months ago in february, we came up with a plan to remove ourselves from afghanistan. and very measured.
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we came up with certain conditions down the line, when they were met, we would continue to withdraw forces. the final gate that we had, we would meet was an intra-afghan agreement between the taliban and ghani government, we would have a -- have a government reconciliation with a orders transfer of power. to ensure that was going to happen, president was personally engaged, something that biden has not done. the president trump picked up the phone, called up chief negotiator for the taliban, mullah baradar, he talked with him, a month after we killed
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sole soleimani, he said, if you violate this disagreement, we know where you live, we will find you, he did the same thing with ghani as well. that was to end in an orderly way with an end state with a multifunctioning afghanistan with protection of citizens. it may not have been pretty but it would have worked, well over a year ago, he said why don't i bring taliban, and the ghani government back to camp david, and people fell on the floor. i said, he had a good point. this actually happened with camp david accords when you brought back and sadat they spent 12 days there until they hammered out an agreement, we were doing
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the same thing, there was a process in place. there was a plan in place. there was not a precipitous retreat that you see today in place, we were lead by a very informed and hard decision maker in president trump. that is not what you see today, when you see today is nothing less than a national debalk sneel the other thing is -- national bebalk el. debacle.mark: did your plan inve pulling out u.s. forces before getting simp. civilians. >> no. that is not a plan. we were going to hold with our aircraft, and maintain bagram airbase until agreements were made, we were not moving, we set
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one may as a forcing function, we told ghani that, they were clear how we were going. and if you had a withdraw like this. and we would have never done it, we would have protected americans, the citizens would have gone out first. mark: we don't know how many american citizens are left there now, we have men and women who have worked with us. horrific video of the women throwing their children over the fence. you see the taliban has not changed. if president trump were still there, based on what you know and advice you gave him, and man that i know, and know well, i don't think he would have tolerated that for one second.
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high didn't tolerate the syrian gassing their own people, he could have said that is none of our, he said that is our, business. he moved heaven and earth to get one or two americans out of a kidnap situation, i don't think that president trump would have been afraid to pull triggers all over the place to get american citizens out of afghanistan. what do you say? >> i know that for a fact. i was with him in oval office, i saw president trump in crisis situations, i saw his resolve, you didn't screw around with an american or we would come after you, i saw it a lot of times with baghdadi and soleimani and the nerve gas used by syrians, you said you are violating international norms, he was not afraid do it. he did it. i was there with him, and proud to be with him, he was a man of
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mark: welcome back.
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general kellogg, your wife was a paratrooper in 18th airborne in grenade invasion under president reagan. your son, daughter and son-in-law saw combat in afghanistan. you have our family is paid the patriotic. you have all put our lives on line, you see what is happening now in afghanistan, i am curious about your thoughts. >> yeah, it is a crisis of leadership, we're not seeing any leadership from commander in chief on down. what is disturbing to me, i see it in all levels, national security adviser is over his head, i question when blinken is doing. president biden is a individual that former secretary gates said that was wrong on nearly every foreign policy decision in last 40 years, he did not want to go
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after osama bin laden. in situation room told president obama not to go. that is public record, this man, you have to question his leadership capability. biden did -- was questioned by obama he said, you know don't underestimate joe biden. being wrong. or making a mistake going forward. this leadership is now permeated his command group or national security team, i have great questions about leadership potential, going forward with his chairman of join chiefs, secretary of defense, national security add vase rare, advisore state, we have president biden for 3 years, maybe he should think really hard about replacing that team, he won't. but i think that team needs to be replaced, i don't think that american has confidence in it any more, i don't have confidence in this i don't think they will make the right
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decisions, if he is not going to leave, at least put new people in place. mark: a disaster. president of has a press events last week, busy talking about vaccines and how he wants to impose his will on american people, he talks about governors and -- everything is about politics with him, and his legacy. i think he should know his legacy is destroyed. his presidency is destroyed. and i think general that makes him more dangerous. more provocative, more unpredictable that concerns me a great deal, last question for you. you are one of leaders so called in tehran.
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-- they are salivating now. they are sharpening their fangs? >> the country i worry about is china, china is an expansionist nation, they are pushing hard with what they call territorial integrity around indonesia, you look at the uighurs, they are building up their military at incredible levels, they are the ones that i'm really concerned about, i don't think that president biden can handle them, i don't think he has the wherewithal to do it or mental capacity, let's give trump credit, he reached out to kim jong-un he established personal basis of leadership but he was also very strong when he talked to him, he was willing to walk away from a deal. they are not licking their chops, they are saying i've taken the measure of this guy,
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he does not measure up. we should be concerned about that as our commander and chief. mark: you know, you mentioned president trump. we didn't lose an inch of anything. >> no. mark: under president trump, he was attacked. for his the way he managed his foreign policy and so forth, we never gave an inch to iran, he was crushing iran economically, never gave an inch to north korea. even though he engaged in talking with them could we surrendered nothing, we never gave an inch to anyone on any front, he shut off russian pipeline that biden game back to the russia an, and imposed toughest sanction on the old oligarchs with respect to the domestic affairs he secured border, he understands that terrorists come across the bored etoday, terrorists are more numerous probably more vigorous than before the border is wide open. general, thank you for your service, your family's service.
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i wish you all the best, god bless you, sir. >> thank you, mark, thank you for having me. mark: we'll be right back. and w, it was no cost to them. >> woman: really? >> tech: that's service you can trust. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ good boy! [laughs] ♪ hold my pouch. ♪ trust us, us kids are ready to take things into our own hands. don't think so? hold my pouch.
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>> welcome back, america. when i think of the united states of america, he think of great presidents, statesmen and leaders. i think of a fantastic united states military and so much they have been through everything in the course of history. george washington. abraham lincoln. people wanted him to sue for peace and he said no. we must have victory. i think of theodore roosevelt. i think even of franklin roosevelt during world war ii. dwight eisenhower. i think of ronald reagan and
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donald trump. these were great men in many ways even in the case of fdr i strongly disagree was so much of what he did. but when it came to defending the united states of america, when it came to defending united states of america, each faced different kinds of threats and they stepped up. they were great men. we are now confronted with a bumbling fool in the office of the presidency prove. week incoherent generals. we can incoherent secretary of state and national security advisor. we are in a grave statement now. and our enemies are sharpening their fangs and fingernails. it's a very dangerous time in our country. when i say in our country, i mean domestically with the borders wide open, the push of
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american marxism in classrooms, a media utterly corrupt and a congress bankrupting us, america if you have not waking up it is about damn time that you do. i will see next time on "life, liberty & levin". >> a poll out today shows america one to withdraw from afghanistan but they disapprove of the way you have handled it also over the last week a majority of americans , i am just the messenger no longer consider you to be competent, focused or ineffective in the job. >> i haven't seen that poll. steve: i bet you haven't. biden hours ago another bumbling stumbling performance

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