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arthel: we are following three big stories this hour starting with a stunning twist in the disappearance of gabby petito. police say her boyfriend, who they name a person of interest, is now missing as well. they're working with the fbi to find brian laundrie. hello, everyone. welcome to "fox news live." i'm arthel neville. hello, benjamin. ben ben and i'm binge men hall benjamin hall in for eric shawn. the border crisis going from bad to worse. the number of migrants growing
by the thousands with hundreds more massing on the rio grande river, preparing to enter the u.s. illegally, and the biden administration in damage control mode after the defense department admits that the drone strike last month killed ten civilians, not isis-k terrorists. arthel: bill melugin on the border in del rio, texas. but first, the gabby petito case. lauren green on the search for the missing 22-year-old with, and now to charles watson live in northport, florida, with the deepingenning mystery -- deepening mystery. >> reporter: there's no shortage of twists and turns when it comes to this story. you've got a search for gabby petito out west, and now investigators in northport, florida, searching for her boyfriend, brian laundrie, as investigators fear he could be in danger after going missing for days. we just heard from the northport
police department a short time ago who tell us about 50 officers including fbi agents are on the ground conducting a search of a 25-,000 acre wooded area known as the carlton reserve for brian laundrie. authorities say it's the place his family says he goes often, and he went there tuesday with his backpack in hand. it wasn't until friday all of this started to unravel. northport police officers spoke to the family at their own request, and it was at that time where officers learned from the family that brian has been missing since tuesday. >> brian was not going to speak with us. he would not speak with us. so knowing that, we weren't dedicating a whole lot of resources to following around someone who is not wanted on a crime. our focus was finding gabby. so that's what we've been doing. and is we have to keep that in mind that, you know, while we're looking for brian, obviously, who might have some answers in this case, our focus is trying
to find her. >> reporter: now, the petito family released a statement through their attorney that a reads, quote: all of gabby's family want the world to know that brian isn't missing, he's in hiding. gabby is missing. protesters demanding answers popped up outside of the family home as questions mount why brian returned home to florida alone after that cross-country trip he and gabby were on together and why he's refused to investigators about his girlfriend's whereabouts. >> he has to say what happened. he has to tell us what happened. >> reporter: and again, arthel, police are not considering brian laundrie a suspect. he is considered a person of interest, but they are treating this case as a missing persons case. if you have any information, the fbi is asking you to give them a call. arthel? arthel: 1-800-call-fbi. charles watson is in northport,
florida, thanks. benjamin: meanwhile, the fbi in denver joining the search as investigators are trying to retrace her steps. she passed through colorado and utah before her last known location in grand teton national park in wyoming. lauren green is following all of this live and what do we know so far? >> reporter: benjamin, there is just a frustration and anger that continues to escalate with the family of gabby petit toe, and they're grateful for the media's relentless coverage as the investigation and search continues in -- out west in wyoming. the fbi released this missing person poster telling the public that gabby was last known to be in the area of the grand teton national park. it's a huge swath of land more than 300,000 acres of mixed terrain. now, the park rangers are reportedly actively looking for gabby in the area's mountains, valleys, rivers and rocks. that is also where gabby's stepfather, jim schmidt, has joined in the search.
>> all that matters is finding her and bringing her home. we're still trying to get the word out there, you know, and try to find that one person that might have some details that we need. just trying to get out there and find that person and, hopefully, they can help us with anything, you know, that'll bring her home. >> reporter: thousands of tips have been pouring into the fbi and the police. according to a report in the east idaho news, the owner of a local shop in victor, idaho, near the wyoming border told the fbi that she saw gabby and brian laundry either on august 25th or 26th, a day or two after gabby's mother last spoke to her daughter. the owner of the rustic rose said the couple seemed happy and mentioned they were thinking of going to yellowstone next. still, with brian's silence, the big piece of this puzzle is still missing. >> this type of behavior is just, it's cruel. it's, like, it's heartless, you know? if you did nothing wrong and you
genuinely did nothing wrong -- and i'm not saying you did, i have no idea. i can't even ask you what you know. so the fact that you're to being -- i can only take this attitude as cruel and heartless. >> reporter: and, of course, without brian's input, the fbi continues to reach out to the public for help in finding gabby. benjamin?ben yeah. 800-call-fbi if you know anything. thank you very much. arthel: well, as investigators work on multiple fronts across the country in this case trying to put it all together, all the pieces, the missing links, let's bring in former fbi agent maureen o'connell. thank you for joining us. i want to ask you off the bat, is brian laundrie missing or hiding? what do you think? >> brian laundry -- brian laundrie is either hiding, i agree he's not missing, he's hiding. i find it of note his family waited four days before they
called the police almost as if they're trying to give him a good leg up on getting to wherever he's going. if he, you know, is he in carlton in that area he's very familiar with? he could be. would it be the first time a family this is has lied to law enforcement to give their family member some time and space to get away? no, it wouldn't. arthel: so, as you know, police in northport -- which is, by the way, i believe it's about 85 miles south of tampa -- the police were stressing just yesterday that brian laundrie is not considered a suspect in gabby petito's disappearance, but a person of interest. at what point does this investigation take a turn? >> if they find gabby or they find, god forbid, her body, then the whole, the whole table turns on him. he obviously knows where the last place she was seen, he obviously has a ton of information, and the fact that he came home and for 11 days they never let the family know where she was just screams of
their knowledge and involvement. this entire case from stem to stern is just a parade of red flags. arthel: so do things get worse for brian laundrie the longer he hides? and, you know, given the social media time stamp of their cross-country trip, how long can he hide or remain missing? >> he was getting backed into a corner, and that's why he fled. he likely fled in the middle of the night. he knew they didn't have is surveillance on him because he wasn't going to talk to the police, and why would the police waste an entire surveillance team on a person where the entire house was dark, it seemed like they were just is hunkering down. so, yes -- go ahead. arthel: no, you continue. >> i just think that, you know, law enforcement has just been working diligently from minute one on all kinds of areas. whether or not brian speaks to them, that's, you know, neither
here nor there when you consider all the, all the avenues available to them, like they're looking at lpr readers, license plate readers, they can find out where they were. the fbi's tracking their phones, you know, if either of them had an apple watch, anything like that, they're looking at all this stuff. they're syncing it up with statements made, they're for sure looking at those texts that came in after gabby's parents thought she was missing. those, i think, are going to be crucial to this investigation, where those came off of. arthel: speak of parents, excuse me, brian lives with his parents. police believe he had been laying low at his parents' house since september 1st, about two weeks ago. they're saying they haven't seen him since tuesday. what about his parents, relatives or friends who might have an idea where brian laundry could be? do they face criminal charges or legal jeopardy for not telling authorities or not cooperating to their fullest capabilities?
>> well, the parents are going to have a hard time saying at any point in this investigation that they didn't know anything because simply by virtue of the fact that they did not respond to text messages from gabby's parents who were, by all accounts, good friends of theirs shows their complicity. so they're going to have a real hard time backing out of that one if, in fact, this thing goes the way some of us think it might go. arthel: yeah. she lived with the family for over a year. her name is gabby petito. we hope she returns home safely. if you know or have seen anything that could help find her, call 800-call-fbi. 800-call-fbi, 800-225-5324. maureen o'connell, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, arthel. arthel: and we do have a fox news alert on another missing person case, this one in hawaii. police there frantically
searching for 6-year-old isabella ca lieu a what. she disappeared sunday from her bedroom at her adopted family's home. reports confirm a bag found in a canal area is connected to the investigation. police have can conducted several interviews and say they're not yet ruling out foul play. benjamin. benjamin: thanks, arthel. well, one of the brothers of the afghan aid worker who was killed in the u.s. drone strike in kabul last month if telling fox news that they want those responsible punished. both men lost children in the attack. u.s. central command admitted yesterday the strike was a, quote, tragic mistake that took out civilian ares, not -- civilians, not isis-k terrorists. trey yingst is live in afghanistan with more reaction from that a family. >> reporter: good afternoon. the u.s. military now admits they killed ten civilians in afghanistan just one day before u.s. forces left the country. this is the story of those
innocent afghans. >> it's very sad for me. when i saw -- i'm so confused, i'm so sad is. reporter: his daughter was killed last month in a drone strike. she was in the courtyard of this house near kabul's airport when a hellfire missile was fired at a car believed to be linked to isis-k. yesterday the u.s. military admitted they acted on wrong intelligence killing ten innocent civilians. her father is glad they were proven innocent but says no one from the united states even called to apologize. >> they should punish them. why did they do this action? and also i want to say that they should pay compensation perhaps. reporter: seven children were among the dead. seven future members of afghan society, young minds with dreams and desires gone. his brother lost all three of his children along with other
family members. he was inside the house and recalls the horrifying moments after the strike. [speaking in native tongue] >> translator: i ran to the car to take my nephew, and then my wife called to me. then i saw that the car was burning, and i ran to pull out my daughter. she was totally burned, everyone was burned. >> reporter: it's always gut-wrenching interviewing parents who lost children, this time at fault of the united states. one thing that really struck me about speaking with those two fathers, they wanted to let the world know they were innocent despite the fact it was their family targeted in that strike. benjamin? benjamin: trey, thank you. a difficult story to tell, i'm sure. we appreciate you, as ever, being on the ground. trey, thank you. arthel? arthel: very difficult. the biden administration taking action as a crowd of migrants sheltering under a bridge on the texas border swells to more than 14,000. we're live at the southern border up next. ♪ ♪
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migrants sheltering under a bridge there at the texas border has now swollen to more than 14,000. bill melugin is on the ground in del rio, texas. bill. >> reporter: arthel, good afternoon to you. the situation on the ground here in del rio, quite frankly, has gone from bad to much, much worse. take a live look. we are on a boat here in the middle of the rio grand. the shoreline you're looking at, that is the u.s. side of the border where you can see a massive group of hundreds of immigrants have crossed illegally, some of them are bathing in the river, changing their clothes and getting ready to walk over to that international bridge. and here's what they're doing. brian's slowly going to pan to the right. what they're doing is a constant stream of hundreds of them, we've been watching for the past three hours, are just walking across -- this is a dam in the middle of the river, they're walking across from the mexican side. over to the right you're look at the mexican city directly across from del rio. you can see people are still
streaming down from up there. there is a neighborhood up there where taxis and bus withs have been constantly arriving. i kid you not, this has been well over three hours continuous. there's been zero breaks in this where people just keep coming down and walking across the river. a lot of them have splice, waters, we saw one guy carrying a big tv, some are bringing food. it's remarkable to witness. and this is where they're heading. take a live look at our fox drone over held the international bridge here in delling rio. you mentioned 14,000, that number is now rapidly approaching 15,000 underneath that bridge, and the local sheriff here telling us that the situation under the bridge is almost third world-like conditions. people are building tents everywhere, some are using plants and sticks to build structures, they're running out of room. underneath that bridge there was about 4,000 on wednesday, we're now pushing 15,000, so we're almost quadrupled in just a few days, and it's easy to see why, because these migrants do not stop coming.
there is no resistance on either side of the border. this mostly started off as immigrants mostly from haiti, but sources are telling us a lot of africans are starting to come through now from ghana, senegal, angola, multiple countries, and they're just completely overwhelmed right now. so you see the situation from the air and you see the situation on the river right here. they're both connected because there is a dirt path that connects the bridge right here to the river, and that's where the migrants are walking to. and, again, this has been happening all day long and more buses are coming up to drop more migrants off in this mexican neighborhood behind us. the situation only getting worse. send it back to you to guys. arthel: definitely problematic, bill melugin on the border in del rio, texas, thank you. benjamin: for more, let's bring in florida republican congressman carlos gimenez who immigrated to the u.s. as a
child. those images are absolutely staggering. we heard about a week ago there were about 1,000, now it's approaching 14,000 and only getting worse, not to mention 200,000 this month, 200,000 last month, that's the in 21 years. why? why is this getting worse? why is this happening? >> it's joe biden, that's why, and his policies, reversing the policies of the trump administration. we had the southern border under control under president trump and his administration and his policies and his agreements with the northern triangle and mexico. all that was keeping the situation at bay. as soon as president biden came in and overturned all of those decisions and created new policy, now you're seeing the results of the policies ofs, of the biden administration. we're probably going to have close to 2 million illegal immigrants crossing the border with a really good chance of staying here in the united states. they're being transported all
throughout the united states, many of them carrying the covid-19, you know, illness with them throughout the united states. and so they're actually treated better than citizens here in the united states. it's amazing. it's incredible. and frightening, what this administration is doing to the united states of america. benjamin: now, it's been reported that a week ago flights back to haiti were stopped. we're now hearing that those will pick up again tomorrow, 5-8 flights a day taking them back, and that's ignoring the fact that many of these migrants actually come from africa and other place. does that perhaps suggest that the administration if has recognized the error of its ways? is it perhaps changing back or not at all in. >> i think the only thing that the administration's looking at is the poll numbers. the poll numbers, you know, are taking a deep dive as this president -- as people finally figured out, even the people who voted for him, finally figured out what this president's all about, and his policies are
disastrous for america. what he did in afghanistan is reprehensible. what he's doing now at the southern border is equally as reprehensible. and it's the poll numbers that are really driving them. i don't believe that they're saying that they're going to be deporting all these haitians back with. look, haitians have been crossing the border since march. i went there myself, i saw them. there are hundreds of haitians back then. what's changed now is that they stopped deporting them, and the word got out, and so now you're seeing this flood. and, by the way, where are you going to be deporting them too? because a lot of them don't come from haiti, they've emigrated to other parts of central and south america, and they're just making their way to america now that they think we have this open door policy and they're just going to enter. and, by the way, it's not their fault. if i were them in their conditions, i'd probably doing the same thing. it's the fault of this administration that's causing this crisis. it's the fault that this administration is putting america at risk and putting them
at risk too. benjamin: this isn't just about policy. this is immediate. the del rio port of entry is now shut, that bridge. so legal immigration has stopped at that part of the border because the illegal immigration going on right in front of our eyes. so what has to happen immediately, today, tomorrow? not long-term policy, what do you need to see happen right now? >> restore the trump era policies, hey, they just stored those policies, it's not going to be easy. we're going to have to stay in mexico in order to get our hearing. we just can't do it in the united states. families, etc., young people, you know, all of them need to be kept in mexico like the trump policy had, you know? and then have their day in court and those that really deserve asylum because they have a reason to be here, they actually fear for their lives, etc., then can attain, you know, legal status. but this all, you know, this wild west thing that's happening out there in the west is the reason why all these people are
coming. they know that they can get in. now their chances of staying in the united states are much, much higher than they were before. you have to uphold the law. you have to make sure that you are, you know, you're enforcing the law. and this president does no such thing. they flaunt the law, and this is their agenda. they just want to flood the united states with these immigrants for, i believe, political purposes for the democrat party. benjamin: well, congressman carlos gimenez, as you said, you've seen it yourself. we hope you come back on and, hopefully, this changes, improves. i'm not sure. thank you for joining me today. >> thank you very much. arthel: on the west coast now, a magnitude 4.3 quake rocking the greater los angeles area after two smaller tremors in the last week and a half p. some people reported feeling a jolt lasting up to 10 seconds.
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♪ arthel: back to our top story, the stunning twist in the disappearance of gabby petito. police entering the home of her boyfriend,line laundry, last night in northport -- brian laundrie, and learning from his parents that they haven't seen him since tuesday. a police spokesman tells fox news investigators were expecting to find brian laundrie there. now the fgi has joined -- fbi has joined in the search for him as well after he was named a person of interest in gabby's disappearance. brian laundrie had refused to
talk to police before vanishing. protesters are again gathering outside the family home. benjamin: the head of u.s. central command calls the drone strike that killed ten afghan civilians in kabul last month a tragic mistake that likely took out no isis-k terrorists. papa lean general kenneth mckenzie said, clearly, our intelligence was wrong. this raises serious questions about our so-called over the horizon intelligence gathering in the region. general jack keane is a retired four-star general, also a fox news senior strategic analyst. general, thank you so much for being with us this saturday. i want to get straight to that over the horizon capability. the white house touted this drone strike as an example of how counterterrorism in afghanistan could work going forward. we now know it was not a success, it left ten civilians dead. without boots on the ground, intelligence sources in the country, where does that leave our intelligence, counterterrorism gathering in the future? >> yeah. well, this strike -- and it is
horrific and, obviously, a terrible mistake, and i do appreciate the secretary of defense who's called, you know, for a complete if review to find out why this happened. we know what happened, we don't know why. what were the indicators that led us to think this guy was a terrorist when, obviously, he was an innocent aid worker working for an american charity. so that's good. and he also wants accountability to see if these mistakes were gross mistakes that we made, was information ignored. this is an after-action review we call it in the military, and they're very thorough. i've been through a bunch of them, and we'll get all the whys and the where fors after that's completed. but you're absolutely right, this points out the limitations of the so-called over the horizon operation. when we look at afghanistan, we have lost all of the eyes and ears of our own troops on the ground to include multiple cia bases and the afghan troops that, obviously, we don't have access to, they no longer exist,
and most significantly, the afghan people themselves. that was the basis, you know, for us being so successful in being able to make certain that al-qaeda could not reform and isis could not grow exponentially. and now we've pulled all of that away, and the hardest part of over the horizon, benjamin, is tracking and getting identifiable and actionable intelligence. it's not so much delivering the strike, it's getting the intelligence right. and you're only doing it from an a aerial platform the which is obviously, has limitations. and we can see how pregnant those limb aations are here -- limitations are here with this horrific mistake that we've made. we're going to have major problems here because we know that al-qaeda, benjamin, they have a safe haven now. isis is going to expand. there's no doubt about that. and we're not going to be able to see that happening. it's going to be very challenging to stay on top of
it. benjamin: general, i wonder if you'd give us a quick sense of the decision making behind a strike like this. we know it came a few days after that bomb killed 13 american soldiers, over 200 afghannings. there was intelligence suggest ising another attack was imminent. they were looking for a white corolla. but was this decision perhaps rushed? i mean, what went into this thought process? i know you've experienced these sort of things in the past, you know how it works. what went wrong in this case? >> well, we don't know a all of that, and that's why we're going to really conduct a thorough review. but this much we do know, there were over 60 pieces of actionable intelligence saying that isis fully intended to conduct another attack. and given the success of that first attack, certainly, there was a huge amount of everyone is sis and energy to find where that other attack was coming from. but in terms of timing, there was plenty of time here because we were tracking, we were tracking that car and the out of
that car for 8 hours. benjamin: for hours, that's right. >> so there was no time rush here. and that's significant here. but nonetheless, the problem is what was he doing that led are us to believe he was a terrorist when, obviously, he was not. benjamin: all of that, i'm sure, will come out. i want to get your thoughts before we run out of time, reports on friction within the taliban. there are report toes of the moderates and conservatives are battling one another, the pragmatists and the idealogues are on different sides. i'm not sure what a moderate terrorist looks liking to be honest, or a pragmatist who probably would just like to see u.s. money coming in. what do you read into this, that there might be a battle within the taliban for the future and can you have a constructive relationship with the taliban in any form? >> yeah. they've never been a 40 to knowledge now -- homogeneous -- they actually have different thoughts on how to prosecute the war against the afghan
government and the united states. so some of this manifestation that we're seeing as they're trying to hobble together a government, to me, is not surprising at all. but listen, benjamin, the pressure is going to get worse because afghanistan is an economic basket case, and people are not giving them the money that they want to have. this is going to lead to a failed state. and because of the pressure on the people, tribal leaders who have governance over many of the people and also warlords are going to feel the pressure from their own constituents, from their own people, and they're going to take up arms against the taliban. we're going to see a civil war grow again in afghanistan. and that is not a good thing, because the civil war, ungoverned space gives isis a huge opportunity for expansion which is what they did in northeastern syria when they went in with several hundred fighters and grew to 30,000, and also al-qaeda can grow also when you have the conflict of a
major civil war like that. so, yeah, major challenges facing us in afghanistan, and the fact that these folks aren't agreeing on how to run a government is no surprise at all. benjamin: and, general, you warned us about this some time ago. you said this might happen. i hope for all our sakes that it turns out differently. general jack keane, thank you so much for joining used today. we appreciate it. arthel? arthel: robert durst found guilty by a los angeles jury in the execution-style the murder of his best friend, susan berman, more than 20 years ago. it comes as prosecutors tied the killing to the disappearance of the new york real estate heir's wife in 1982. christina coleman is live in los angeles with more. >> reporter: hi, arthel. yes, robert durst is now a convicted murder facing a sentence of life in prison without parole. this week during closing arguments prosecutors explained why they felt a punishment for the 78-year-old is long overdue.
>> what is durst? he's a narcissistic psychopath. what does that mean? that means that bob durst is only concerned with bob durst. that's it. that's what he lives, breathes and thinks about. >> reporter: prosecutors allege that durst killed his close friend susan berman because she was preparing to tell police how she helped him cover up his wife's murder. durst never faced any charges related to his wife, kathleen durst. she disappeared in 1982 and was never found. his attorney denied the prosecution's allegation. >> ladies and gentlemen, they have not proven that bob durst killed susan berman beyond a reasonable doubt. if their entire theory of the case is flawed and belied by the real evidence. >> reporter: around durst was found guilty yesterday, the family of his wife who vanished years ago released a statement saying they're still waiting for
justice. they said, quote: not a single goes by that we do not think about our beautiful, smart and kind sister kathleen. it is clear that she was murdered by robert durst in westchester county, new york, on january 31 1st, 1982, the evidence is overwhelming. this is durst's first murder conviction but not his first trial. he was acquitted of murder in 2001 for the death of his neighbor in galveston, texas. he claimed he killed him in self-defense. durst is now scheduled to be sentenced on october 18th for the murder of susan berman. arthel? arthel: christina coleman live in los angeles, thank you. benjamin? benjamin: thanks, arthel. capitol police out in force in washington where protests in support of the defendants of the january 6th insurrection. it appears turnout is low with roughly as many reporters and police as demonstrators. arthel: the fda putting the brakes on widespread covid-19
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ben an finishing da advisory panel rejecting boosters for most americans yesterday citing a lack of evidence that the shots are need. the panel limiting it booster recommendation to those over 65 and those at high risk. this is a blow to white house effort against the pandemic. so what does the administration do now? mac meredith -- mark meredith is live in delaware where the president is spending weekend. mark. >> reporter: benjamin, good afternoon. well, the president has a made ending the pandemic his top priority ever since taking office, and his staff has basically strongly hinted they believe booster shots would be a key part of ending this pandemic, making sure people who are already vaccinated don't get sick. but we did see this fda advisory
possible yesterday basically recommend they don't believe these booster shots should be rolled out for everyone. instead, they're recommending it for people who are going to be 65 or older, they're also remming it for people at severe -- recommending it for people at severe risk of getting sick. the cdc and the fda are still going to make the final call within the next few days. the white house said this was an important step forward in providing better protection to americans from covid-19. we stand ready to provide booster shots to eligible americans once the process concludes at the end of the next week. but there are still a lot of unanswered questions about the effectiveness of these boosters. pfizer argued they believe these shots could be a game-changer, dr. fauci has said he's a fan. but as we saw yesterday, government scientists say they couldn't be certain. >> i just don't think we're there yet in terms of the data. other committee members have pointed out more needs to be known about the protection. >> this booster dose is not
going to make a big difference. it's not likely to make a big difference in the behavior of this pandemic. >> reporter: so we have not yet heard from president biden on camera about this. we're not expecting him to make any statements this weekend, but it's likely his week ahead is going to be dominated by all things covid and booster shots. he's going to be going up to the u.n. and eventually holding a virtual covid summit with a focus on assuring that other countries get access to the vaccine is. back here at home, this is also a growing political fight for the white house where the president has come out strongly in favor of these vaccine mandates, and we are hearing from a number of republican lawmakers as well as attorneys general arguing they don't believe these mandates will be legal, and they're getting ready to challenge them in court. benjamin: there's likely to be a big battle coming up. mark meredith in delaware, thanks so much. arthel? arthel: for more on this, we're going to bring in dr. anne
ramoy, ucl a a's d. of epidemiology. doctor, why did the advisory panel recommend for this group, and how much more protection will the third shot provide them? >> well, hi, arthel, it's nice to be here, and these are good questions. what the fda did was they followed the science. what the science shows us is that right now the vaccine is doing a great job of doing what it's supposed to do, prevent severe disease, hospitalization and death in the vast majority of people. however, we're seeing waning immunity, we're seeing the antibodies decrease over time in people that are over the age of 60 and really over 65 as well as in people who have high risk conditions, immunocompromised or other conditions. and so that's why the fda recommended not vaccines for all, not boosters for all, but boosters for the people who need it; those people we see in the data that they will benefit from it. arthel: but as you know, many
americans already got that third shot who are younger than 65 and don't work in a high risk environment. should they be worried? >> no. these vaccines are very safe. they're very effective. and this data was really about who's going to benefit most from it at this point. they could not make a recommendation for everybody to go get it right now to justify everybody going to get it right now because there just wasn't enough data. so the recommendation for everybody is just follow the science is, follow the guidelines, and the guidelines suggest right now that if you have gotten vaccinated with any of the approved vaccines that you are very well protected. but if you're older, then there will probably be recommendations coming down -- remember, this still has to go through the cdc advisory committee -- and the people should follow that. i think this is an excellent sign that the fka and the c -- fda and the cdc are going to be following the science.
and that's what we always want to do here. arthel: again, if you've got some elderly people who qualify for this new advisory board recommendation, how much more protection? i asked you that earlier but we talk about percentages, you know? this was 85%, give us an idea so that they know how protected they will be with that didder third shot. -- with that third shot. >> the data that exists right now shows that that third shot bring these people back up to their original levels of protection. so in that 90-95% level of protection which is really what we want to see against infections, severe disease, hospitalization and death. arthel: so do you think this in that it's imminent that they're going to expand the scope, if you will, for the booster? and until there is a third shot approved for all, how can people protect themselves? >> so, arthel, this is a work in progress. this is something that is going to be value a waited over time. we have -- evaluated over time.
we don't have the data yet. that's what the fda is asking for, more information. it wasn't that people shouldn't get a booster period, it's at this point we have data on this, we need more. that's what we're moving forward with. we're going to be watching the science, and when it is necessary if, then there will be a recommendation for everybody to get a booster. but again, as you just brought up, what else can we do? we know we're seeing a lot of breakthrough infections. you know, these vaccines are preventing severe outcomes, but they're not always going to protect you against just a mild infection. so the things that -- we have many, many tools in our toolbox. wearing a mask in indoor settings in public places where you're going to be around crowds and you're not really sure what the vaccination status is. you know, i think that making sure that you, that you maintain social distance from people that you don't really know well -- arthel: and those who -- i'm short on time, but for those who are not vaccinated, should they
get vaccinated? i'm not sure if you told me. >> absolutely. if you're not yet vaccinatedded, get vaccinated. that is going to protect you from the most severe outcomes. hospitals are being overwhelmed in places by people who have not been vaccinated. arthel: doctor, thank you as always. we'll see you next time. we'll be right back.
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paul: welcome to the journal editorial report, i am paul gigot and president biden facing a make or break month in his push to assess three and half trillion dollars been plan through congress even as his approval rating continues to tumble. the new poll showing just 42 percent of americans prove the job he is doing over all and the majority disapproving of his handling including a foreign policy and the economy. so this drop in the polls for the biden agenda