never been a launch on an app. this is the future for what we're doing. welcome. >> thank you. >> martha: we have a lot of fun around here. glad to have you with us. congratulations. >> i can tell, yeah. honored and flatter. >> martha: the story goes on. "your world" is next. >> neil: all right. there isn't an app important this but a startling development on this. we take a look at the political weather and if there's more promising sunnier skies for the massive spending package that democrats are trying to cobble together and maybe get a frame work done as early as tomorrow. word this hour the president is meeting with bernie sanders, to try to iron out differences that at least the white house is indicating can be resolved and soon. we shall see. welcome. i'm neil cavuto. this is "your world." so fast-moving developments on

capitol hill and at the white house where we're seeing what democrats are saying are real signs of progress. jacqui heinrich has more. >> good afternoon, neil. good to see you. here's a good snapshot of where things stand. we know senatest bernie sanders is meeting with the president right now in the oval office. that is ongoing. this appears to come together rather quickly after joe manchin said earlier today that he had a meeting with the president last night that was hastily arranged. he didn't expect it. he ended up having one. that's how the pressure is coming toward the senators and the people on the hill from the white house. but also squared to that, senate finance chair ron widen just told hill reporters that the billionaire tax was on the table and ways and means chairman richard neal said it's out of

course. there's things moving at warp speed also like the plan cost zero dollars and it's paid for. i asked jen psaki if it was paid for and i didn't get an answer. >> so is having it paid for a requirement for the president? >> the president is clear that he believes that making the tax system more fair, that ensuring that we're taking the opportunity to do that is a part of this package and what he expects to sign into law. >> so not a yes or no there. the white house is still holding out hope that democrats in congress can reach an agreement on the president's social spending in time for the president's trip to europe tomorrow. but on the hill, progressives are again vowing to block any vote on the infrastructure bill until the social spending is finished. speaker pelosi's suggestion that a vote will come soon caught us

off guard. not sure if she can will it through but the votes are not there. jen psaki hat another warning shot for progressives. >> this package would expend high speed internet to every american. are you against that? it would ensure that children don't -- aren't drinking poisoned water. are you against that? these are key components of change, progress that many progressives have expressed support and excitement about. >> so it's appearing more likely the president will head to the g-20 climate summit without a legislative win in his pocket. of course, things are still being worked out here. white house says they're working with democratic leaders in congress to set up the extension for the baseline funding for the infrastructure if the vote goesn't happen. that is a backup plan. the messaging from the white house is anything is possible. could still happen. neil? >> neil: all right. jacqui, thanks very much. jacqui heinrich, this issue of a billionaire's tax that might

have been torpedoed, joe manchin did seem to pivot on this issue, that he was open to a tax on the wealthy, that they should be paying something. the difference is what was being offered here as a tax on capital gains for the well to-do. whether they sold the assets or not. it's complicated. that's the world that chad pergram dominates and can express in english better than anybody else i know. chad, we do we stand on this billionaire's tax? that was the means by which they were going to pay for a lot of it. >> we don't know right now if it's in or hot. house speaker nancy pelosi is forcing the issue. she wants legislative language later today from committees on the social spending package. things are far from settled. pay-fors are the biggest divide. the push to tax the elite group of billionaires may enthrall the left but that appears to be out. >> it's not been vetted by any

committee. it would be very difficult because of its complexity. none of us in the democratic caucus in the house have any problem asking billionaires for more money. that's fine, this happened all of a sudden. >> finance committee chairman reason widen said absolutely not when asked if the tax was out. joe manchin opposes the billionaire's tax. >> we've said we agreed on 15% corporate tax. well, people in the stratosphere, rather than penalizing them, we should be pleased we're able to produce the wealth. i don't like the connotation that we're targeting different people. >> bernie sanders says every progressive revenue option seems to be sabotaged. >> there's aggravation from members not knowing what is in or out and that's why progressives won't vote nor the infrastructure bill. >> the issue is what the

legislative texas looks like so we know what is there and can we get a definitive time on a vote. we need to have this done by next week. >> tensions between liberal and moderate democrats are boiling. one senior moderate democrat roused about the demands for the blanking progressives. neil? >> neil: chad, thanks. chad pergram. let's go to dan kilde from the ways and means committee and in the house leadership as well. where are you on the billionaire's tax? >> first of all, neil, great to have you back. >> thanks very much. >> great to see you back on the air again. my issue is again, one, it's an idea. it's an idea that is floated. it's not legislative text. that is an issue. there's other technical questions. as richard neil said, it's not like we're averse to taxing those that have done very well

at a fair rate. but it has to be realistic. can we tax unrealized gains? should we tax inrealized gains or focus our energy on taxing high income earners with the marginal rate by 2.6% and with a very high wealth, high earner 3% sur tax. to me what we did with the ways and means committee product is more predictable, certainly clearly constitutional and what i can't understand is why is it that we're avoiding taking what we know will work and coming up with ideas that are unclear when to a great extent we're talking about taxes derived from many of the same people. i don't think people will say -- i don't think those that are high wealth earners will say something like i don't mind paying more taxes but at least you didn't increase the marginal rate. that's not realistic.

>> neil: that's interesting. so sounds from what you're saying, the income tax rate originally proposed in the ways and means committee and part of the overall democratic package as we knew it is returning. billionaire's tax, the wealth tax is not going to be part of it as things stands now. >> if i have my way and that's been my input. again, this is a moving target, neil, this is what it is like. we have some sympathy for our republican colleague as few years ago with thin margins and a real diversity of thought within the democratic caucus. this makes it very difficult. we'll get there. it's just really painful. >> neil: can i ask you about that, congressman? back to the overall numbers. we've been hearing figures in the under $2 trillion range, something like 1.75 trillion, which would be a long way for the 3.5 trillion originally proposed. i know the devil is in the details and things change likely a lot.

but is it your sense that the final price tag will be in that under $2 trillion range? >> that's my assumption. just based on the conversations that i've had particularly with folks on the senate side, that that's where we can go. for progressive members, we have to take a step back and say look, just think about a couple of years ago. the ability to move a bipartisan infrastructure bill at 1.2 trillion and then have a significant investment in a lot of these priorities that the democrat party has been working on a long time. even if it's not everything, we really have to not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. there can be disagreement about this policy obviously. to the extent that democrats are united, we should be united around what we can actually achieve and not around a promise that we can't keep. that is where island on this. let's do what we can. let's be reasonable and thoughtful and make the compromises we need to to

actually do something for the people that we're working for rather than tell them what we would have done if we could have gotten it over the finish line. that doesn't do anybody any good. >> neil: congressman, you know the president is meeting with bernie sanders. we're told that bernie sanders was according to one source appoplectic against the downward trend in the price of this, generous medicare provisions that will be likely kept out. joe manchin didn't want to expand medicare until its underlying financials were better. we're told anyway that bernie sanders is extremely angry. should he be? >> well, i mean he can be angry that it's not going to be what he would have done if he were completely in charge. or if there were 51 senators that shared all of senator sander's view. that's not the way our government is organized. i don't get to decide all on my own how congress will act and neither does any single senator.

i do think it's a point that senator manchin ought to take heed of that while senator sanders doesn't get 100% of what he wants, neither can senator manchin. there's got to be some rationale common ground that can be found. >> very well-put. dan kilde, thanks very much. thanks for the kind words. coming up next, the ohio senator not running for re-election, rob portman. very good to have you here with us. obviously republicans are not keen on any of this. they're not going to vote for any of this. are you encouraged at least by some of the signs that are out there that at least the overall price tag is coming down? >> well, i suppose that's good but it's a terrible time too raise taxes. all of these proposals involve raising taxes and stimulus

spending. you and i talked about this before. this is the wrong time for a lot of reasons. one it will increase the inflationary pressure that we're feeling already. republicans and democrats alike that look at this objectively including larry summers, the former obama treasury secretary says this will add more to the inflationary pressure. and our debt is at historic levels. it's a lot more spending. 1.5 or 1.75 trillion is being portrayed as something moderate, the compromise. gosh, you know, a billion dollars is -- a trillion dollars is a thousand billion dollars. it's amazing that we're throwing around trillions as if it's nothing. by the way, love your home studio. great to have you back. we missed you. >> neil: thanks very much. i appreciate that. you raise up a point how numb we are to these numbers. one trillion used to be the

entire u.s. budget. those days are gone a long time ago. we're looking at likely a record deficit when all is said and done after this additional spending. there's been a move by some of your republican colleagues to bring back a balanced budget amendment or a puch like that to keep spending within a certain percentage or the debt as you were mention, a percentage of the economy size and the budget size. but it never happens. you're leaving. i know it's been a frustration for you. do you worry this will never be addressed? >> i do. i have another 13 months and two weeks and two days, four hours -- >> neil: i didn't mean to push you out the door. >> no, i'm going to continue to push on this issue. dealing with the long-term crises that we'll face if we don't own up to this debt and deficit. you're right. this year we'll probably have the biggest ever depending on

this package. it's on top of the 1.9 trillion in march. it was the biggest legislative package ever. now they're talking about this one, which if it's a 2 trillion, it will beat that, the second biggest. so these numbers, they're kind of mind numbing. the other hand they're really impactful as to what will happen long-term to our kids, grandkids that will get left holding the bag. we need to focus on this, particularly on the entitlement spending. that's where most of the money is being spent. you add interest on the debt. that's the fastest growing part of our economy. we have to deal with it. if we don't, we will find ourselves in a financial crisis. my hope is in the context of the debt limit, we'll do that. the only time we've done it with any success. you remember the caps and sequestration and all of that came out of a debt limit discussion. >> neil: i didn't think you were old enough to remember that. let me ask you quickly and my

producer will get furious. jerome powell, whether the president in the next few days, week or two reappoints. if you were going to vote, would you reappoint him? >> yes, i would. he's better than the alternative. i wish the fed would be more aggressive. it's going to result in highest interest rates at some pint. we have to be sure that -- >> neil: you think we should move to -- >> it's a terrible tax on middle income families. the poor people bear it. interesting number that i just learned, during the last several months in the biden administration, wages have gone down, not up when adjusted for inflation. that's the tax on people already that they're already feeling.

inflation is something that we need to focus on more in my view. >> neil: got it. rob portman, thanks very much, senator from ohio. he's talking about real wages when you talk about a 5% or 6% inflation rate. that's a big issue. inflation. two key races going on in this country. gubernatorial battles in virginia and in new jersey. for the democrats, it's worrisome in both states. i'll explain after this. paul loves food. but his diabetes made food a mystery. everything felt like a "no". but then paul went from no to know. with freestyle libre 2, now he knows how food affects his glucose. and he knows when to make different choices. take the mystery out of your glucose levels, and lower your a1c. now you know. try it for free. visit freestylelibre.us

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>> neil: all right. normally people don't pay much attention to what's going on before a mid-term but the battle going on for governor in new jersey, the races are interesting. the latest from rich edson following developments in virginia. rich? >> good afternoon, neil. it's a dead heat here in virginia. both candidates, the democrat, terry mcauliffe and glenn youngkin campaigning in the certain part of the state today. largely conservative with democratic voters down here. we're in blacksburg, home to virginia tech. and to a glenn youngkin rally in

a couple of hours from now setting up in this shopping center here. a couple of hours from here, terry mcauliffe held an event talking about the ties that he wants to create between glenn youngkin, the republican and the former president, donald trump. >> he said so much of the reason why i'm running is because of donald trump. you know what? he's running for donald trump, i'm running for you, folks. so i'm excited. >> last night in northern virginia, arlington, president biden also tried tying youngkin to the former president even saying that extremism can come in many forms, it can come in the range of a mob driven to assault the capitol and it can come in a smile and a fleece vest. that's a reference to youngkin's attire. so we asked the republican a short while ago to respond to that. >> the nice thing is that the president at least recognizes that this is a vest and not a fleece.

the son is setting on terry mcauliffe's 43-year political campaign and he's bringing in anybody he can to help. this is about virginiians and the issues at hand. >> there's two off-year governor elections. one here and one in new jersey. we have a new poll from monmouth. half the registered voters support phil murdersy and 39 pick back ciattarelli. it's a 11% margin. for the republican, the big issue is taxes. democrats win on education and covid. president biden now under water in the garden state, 49% disapprove to 43% according to that monmouth poll. neil? >> neil: thanks, rich. he was mentioning what's going on certainly in new jersey where one poll had the republican candidate within six points. they've been all over the map. the trend by and large has been a significant tightening.

remember in the summer the governor had about a 26 point lead over his republican opponent. so something is going on. obviously you can see what is happening in virginia. where do we go from here? jessica tarlov joins us, sarah westwood from "the washington examiner." jessica, in both states, the democrats are pushing the donald trump theme and attaching the republican candidate to donald trump. obviously taking a page from gavin newsome in california in his recall election battle where that was effective. will it be effective in these states? what do you think? >> i'm not sure it's going to be as effective in california where gavin newsome outperform had with he dried to win the governorship in the first place. in the midst of a pandemic, californians were not looking for anti-vaccine or anti-mask mandate. but this is a litmus test for

the culture in blue states, luge more than virginia, are on the biden administration where it's going and what their policies are doing to local communities. the fact that phil murphy is 11 points up in new jersey is pretty serious signal that things are not going as well as they should. with president biden at being 43% approval rating. in virginia, the fact that terry mcauliffe has spoken out against the president a couple of times, the reconciliation bill cost too much, shows that he had president biden campaigning with him it wasn't top of the list. he was desperate to get barack obama there but not as much as joe biden. i'm looking at these races where we may be heading. a pretty good indication of where the country is. >> neil: it's fair to say sarah, that joe biden isn't helping the candidates. he's under water in popularity

in both states, closer in new jersey. but he's not a big draw. i'm wondering between that and this inflationary spike that average voters have been seeing of all sorts, whether that is something for democrats to worry about. >> i don't think it's something that democrats anticipated when both of these races got underway. mcauliffe is probably more guilty of this than phil murphy. mcauliffe in particular had really tried to nationalize the race and look beyond the borders of virginia, make youngkin a face of a republican party that he argued was too extreme to govern when biden was benefitting from the honeymoon period and they were polling well. now the ground has shifted under president biden. his approval rating is plummeting in virginia and nationallish and mcauliffe has not shifted. he's continuing to bring in big names to stand with him and

continuing the message about youngkin being the face of extremism which is ill fit for someone as moderate and centrist as youngkin. that might have been better if amanda chase won the primary and bon the nominee for virginia. but mcauliffe has not changed his strategy to fit the moment while youngkin has maybe provided a man for how republicans can overcome what is clearly going to be the democrat's mid-term strategy, which arguing that republicans are too radical because youngkin has stayed hyper focused on virginia issues. he's talked about kitchen table issues but also shown a willingness to embrace the culture war issues in a way that is productive and less hyperbolic that could be the road map for republicans moving forward. mcauliffe has made a mistake by continuing to continue to nationalize this race and make it broader than just virginia. >> neil: thanks very much, a quick foot note on new jersey,

the democratic candidate for governor for the most part in 30 plus years has not won re-election in the state since brendan burns around 1977. the republican governors have from chris christie, todd wittman. you can go back further where republican governors get re-elected, but it doesn't apply to democrats. this is a fascinaing foot note. more coming up including push to get your kid vaccinated now that an fda panel says it's okay. are you okay with that? after this.

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>> neil: all right. the vaccine rush is on. i'm talking specifically for kids. maybe as young as five. an fda panel approved pfizer's vaccine for kids 5-11. right now a similar vaccine by moderna is getting ready for a study from the same fda panel. to dr. francis collins, the nih, the director. glad to have you. >> glad to be back with you, neil. >> neil: let's take about the need for kids to get vaccinated. how you feel about that? >> well, kids don't get the same level of risk of severe disease as adults, but they're not free of it. sadly more than 7,000 -- i'm sorry. 700 children have died of covid-19 since this pandemic began. even the kids who don't get as sick as that can get other

complications like something called misc., which can be pretty serious. so we shouldn't ignore the fact that kids are also at risk, especially with this delta variant that is so contagious. so if you can avoid having your kid get sick, you'd lake to do that. of course, this is also a way to reduce transmissions in classrooms. we know now they they are. parents are smart about, this okay. they ask what are the risks and that's what the fda panel debated and concluded 17-0 with one abstention that this should be offered to children 5-11 and the benefits are greater than the risks. >> neil: a lot of parents come back and say as you heard, doctor, i don't want to risk this in my kid. the chances of he or she getting

it are small and the chances of them affecting anyone else small so not worth it. what do you say? >> again, i think one needs to look at the data as a scientist. that's what i think the right answer is. actually the risk of your child getting covid-19 is greater than getting something from the vaccine. it will do something to help your children not end up in the hospital as many kids are right now in the pediatric icu. i think we got a little numbed to the risk to children because it was clear they weren't getting hit as hard as adults but they're still getting hit. >> neil: a lot of people that are cynical about vaccines. for full disclosure, i tested positive for covid. a lot of people said neil, you were vaccinated fully. still got it.

i try to explain to people i'm among the immunopro -- compromised. colon powell was 84 and dealing with cancer. didn't matter. how do you tell them or do you even say anything now to those that are dead set against vaccines to get vaccinated? >> well, i hope nobody would feel dead set at this point. we've had a lot of conclusions being drawn without really looking at the evidence. again, i'm not a political person. i'm basically trying to look at the data. we know a lot about the vaccines now. they've been out there for quite a while. we know how dangerous this vaccine can be. more than 700,000 people have lost their lives. 1,500 people.

this is a serious illness. >> i don't want to jump on that point. they're saying right now that now that new infections have dropped more than 50% for the highs, not the highs but the post pop highs, if you will, that it's beaten. there's enough of a resistance going on here, whether it's herd immunity that we have to keep pushing vaccinations. you're the doctor. what do you say? >> well, i appreciate your posing it that way. i think that we're in a better place than we were six or eight weeks ago. hooray for that, that we're seeing a decrease, this is a very serious situation. we still have more cases in the united states than almost any other country in the world right now. it's not time to get complacent. for people still unvaccinated, the delta variant is out there looking for you. you have a serious likelihood if you get consequences. both acute but not forget about

long covid. people just don't get better like you'd expect in a couple of weeks. some of those folks months later are still fatigued, they have brain fog, can't work. you don't want that either. the vaccines are your insurance policy. one of the things i'd say, people are prone to say, hey, it's my body, my decision. stay out of my business. i'll decide. it's not just about each one of us. it's about whether we will be the one that gets infected and gives it to somebody else that is immunocompromised and gets them in trouble. this is a moment to think about your neighbors. freedom is about rights but it's about responsibilities to each other. you can make a strong case here that the vaccines are part of that. >> neil: yeah, you might be fit and fine and not worry, but your exposure to someone else may make you vulnerable.

thanks, dr. collins. >> always glad to be with you, neil. any time. >> neil: thank you. meantime, alec baldwin and that gun. very latest we're hearing out of santa fe, new mexico. jonathan hunt. >> and neil, the district attorney saying told that baldwin himself remains a potential target for criminal charges. we'll give you the details on that and where the sheriff says investigators found the bullet that killed halyna hutchins after the break.

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>> neil: is it your sense the final price tag will be in that under $2 trillion range? >> that's my assumption based on the conversations with folks on the senate side that that's where we can go. >> all right. dan kilde is one of the big

powers in the democratic party and the leadership in the house saying it will be under $2 trillion when it's said and done. sounds like a steal and a deal. it's a long way from 3.5 trillion but still serious change. charlie gasparino, what do you think? >> any amount of spending here is way over the top. we don't need a spending package. this is about political compromise. if you talk to any business owner out there, they'll take you they can't get stuff on the shelves, they can't get supplies delivered. they're worried about inflation, which is creeping up. any additional spending from this federal government is going to just make that inflation aspect even worse. so i mean, the best they could do and i really believe that this is what is going to happen, if they would walk away from this and all the crazy tax increases long term, the markets will go up. eventually people will figure out the inflation threat is not as great, the bonds won't gap out as much and, you know, that

is really what is worrying -- what is hampering this economy right now, neil. it's not that we need more spending. look at the numbers. we're coming out of covid. numbers are going down. hospitalizations are going down. the vaccines work. you know that. thank god. i'm just telling you that that is the best stimulus package you'll have, getting people back to work. you need them to unloaned the ships in the pacific ocean to get supplies on the shelves for christmas. this bill does not address that. the best net positive for this, neil, is this not to happen. i think -- i'm not alone in that. if you talk to a lot of economists -- >> neil: they think they cobbled somebody together. we'll keep a close eye on it. thanks, charlie gasparino on that. this other big news development out of santa fe, alex baldwin and the gun.

let's get the latest from jonathan hunt. jonathan? >> a first news conference today neil from the sheriff and the district attorney investigating the shot that killed 42-year-old cinematographer halyna hutchins. she died from a real bullet that was in the gun being held by alec baldwin. that bullet went through hutchins and lodged in the shoulder of joel souza. he was standing behind her at the time. it was indeed a real bullet. are criminal charges any more likely? is alec baldwin as the man holding the gun and the producer on the movie a likely target? here's the exchange with the d.a. >> all options are on the table at this point.

i'm not commenting on chargings whether they will be filed or not or whom. so the answer is we cannot answer that question yet until we complete a more thorough investigation. >> [question inaudible] >> no one has been ruled out at this point. >> now, the sheriff in the same news conference said there was "complacency" on the set surrounding the handling of weapons. so i also asked the d.a., neil, the complacency could lead directly to criminal negligence charges. she said there is a bridge that leads in that direction, but it will take a long investigation before they are ready to decide whether there should be any criminal charges against anyone here. meantime, family of halyna hutchins likely to pursue a civil suit. that will cost someone likely millions of dollars. neil? >> jonathan hunt, thanks very

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think of the attorney general on capitol hill. it got a little nasty. more from capitol hill. speak of the ag spent nearly all of the almost five hours of testimony trying to smooth over the october 4th controversial memo he put out. it wasn't working. >> it's unprecedented, to my knowledge, in the history of this country, and i call on you to resign. >> the take away today, republicans were able to get the ag to finally explain what they call the "vague language" in his memo, specifically where the doj would protect people from "forms of intimidation and harassment." garland finally explained that these are federal crimes and could include online messaging

or making calls, as long as there is an intention to harass. several senators raised red flags over a doj press release that accompanied the memo, which mentioned the national security division might get involved in investigations. in afghanistan, garland said he has strengthening joint heroism task forces. the southern border, he struggled a bit to answer what he has learned from border patrol agents on his recent trip to the border. watch. >> a.g. garland: they never mention to you that they've got a problem being overrun by asylum-seekers. i know from reading the media that border patrol agents feel that way. it's not about reading the >> it's not about reading the paper. you were talking to them. >> a.g. garland: i don't want to -- >> i am stunned that you can't recall that.

>> garland also addressed some conflict of interest allegations, having to do with his son in law, the company he works for. he sibley said he did not feel he needed to seek an ethics opinion on that matter. >> all right, aishah. all of this craziness is starting to infuse. >> i bring it wherever i go. [laughter] >> it's all on you. doesn't stop! aishah, thank you. you have heard that the president is going to be meeting with the pope, and man oh, man, his father roberts angry at not the president, but the pope. you. your dell technologies advisor is here to help. so you can stop at nothing for your customers. ♪ darling, i, i can't get enough of your love babe♪ ♪girl, i don't know, i don't know,♪

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>> president biden meeting with the pope on friday. roberts arrigo has problems with the pope's views on capitalism. he is not a big fan, apparently. could you explain? >> i don't mind people not being a fan of catholicism. what is frustrating, especially from a pulp, i don't think he understands: he is calling for people to have food. how does that happen? do we wish food into existence, or open bakeries? that is the question. if you are going to open a bakery or food shop, that is where people go shopping, where commodities are exchanged.

when the pope says "we are reducing food to the level of a commodity," i want to ask what's wrong with that? >> he is specifically saying that the free market, father, hurts the poor. he has a similar way said that those with means have not been doing enough in the past to help with those who do not. familiar to joe biden's line on the chair and the common theme, the wealthiest on this plane aren't doing enough. what do you think? >> i agree we are not doing enough. we will never do enough as long as there is one poor person: we are not doing enough. we know that the poor will be with us always. i think said that. the question is, how do we do this? i don't think this is being engaged at this level, especially the level of a pope! it contrasts with what john paul ii said about the way profit

indicates that you are planning things properly. we want to plan the economy properly. the best way to do that is to allow the most creative people to produce what they can produce, and to enable people to rise out of that. a free market system starved people, if it did, we would have less people on this planet since the invention of the free market rather than more people. that's what's frustrating to me. by the way, i have no problem with the pope meeting with president biden, because jesus ate with sinners as well. >> the president's views on abortion and all that. i'm wondering, this pope has generally been the left of his predecessors. to think that is accurate customer >> i think that is accurate. remember, the economic

positions -- this pope can have a different perspective of economy from the predecessor. i think this pope is probably joe biden. >> we will watch closely. robert sirico, the president of the action institute. when it comes to the pope, there's some issues there. you can agree. we will see. ♪ ♪ >> jesse: i'm jesse watters along with katie pavlich, geraldo rivera, martha maccallum, and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." ♪ ♪ present biden is set to unleash disastrous liberal crime reform policies nationwide, despite a rise in violence across the country. the administration is proposing eliminating cash failed to promote gender equity. you heard that right.