>> outnumbered and outgunned. ukrainian forces fight back. despite facing one of the world's most powerful armies,

there is. the world watches and wonders for how long. i'm mike emanuel in washington. >> i'm alicia acuna in denver with continued coverage of the developments in ukraine. at this hour the city is on heightened alert as russian forces close in on all sides. we are getting reports increasingly violent blasts near kyiv. an ominous sign perhaps that russia is wrapping up its strangle hold on kyiv. mike: 100,000 ukrainians have been forced to flee their homeland. their president says their military will stand and fight. the u.s. joined forces with the

european union putting a block on russia's access to vital financial systems. alicia: in the coming hour mike and i will talk with through as tomlinson, and rich edson will join us from the pentagon. mike: let's begin our tame coverage with steve harrigan. >> dawn now, day 4 of the russian invasion. the russians not in control of any major population center. in this capital city it's quite. two major blasts, one an oil die poe that burned orange in the sky for an hour. the president of the ukraine zelensky said they fought off

the russians who tried to take the city he claims overnight. a lot of individual acts of heroism including one man who stood in front of a russian tank as it tried go into the city. and another civilian who said he was ready to take up the fight. >> i make aluminum windows, aluminum construction for big buildings. but now i have to fight. >> much of the russian economicnized vehicles and artillery is outside the city. only 50% has been applied. we really could see the tanks roll in and heavy bombardment has largely been afloyd this capital. mike: steve mare harrigan, many thanks. alicia? alicia: we go to lucas tomlinson who is standing by in lviv.

>> there is growing evidence u.s. officials say the they have underestimated the ukraine's ability to fight and overestimated their own military. there is increasing evidence that vladimir putin is not well. he ordered this invasion of ukraine. he called this country and russia one people. however, the ukrainians disagree. >> he doesn't understand what ukrainians are, and he really believes in his own dangerous i will lewis that russians and ukrainians are the same people. they are not and haven't been for centuries. >> -- shelves at local grocery

stores are now thing out. for weeks people were not in panic motor. but now a different story. i spoke to a young man earlier having to make the decision on what does he do about this family. he cannot leave the family. he cannot leahe country. president zelensky issued a decree that all men 18-60 cannot leave. some men are taking their children to the border and having strangers taking them tack to polled and romania. because of the threat of airstrikes in eastern ukraine, some people taking to shelters and going underground. the nearest airstrike is 1 miles away -- is 12 miles away. 60 russian paratroopers killed. many students just waking up

having gone through a curfew, not out like they normally what have been on a saturday morning. they await what's next. so far no sign of russian soldiers. mike: lucas, many thanks. day four of russia's invasion of ukraine. ukrainian forces are putting up resistance. let's turn to our panel. fred fleitz, and brigadier general about wayne holt. gentlemen, thanks for joining us. fred, take us behind the scenes. what kind of conversations are taking place at the national security council during this stage of this crisis. >> it's good to be here. i think the national security council is trying to find a way to get international support to pressure the russia government. i think there is a lot that can be done with countries like

india. i'm not sure where china is on this. i think the chinese are getting nervous about what's happen together russians. and maybe find some opportunity for talks in which russia would capitulate and russia would give up. i think they are trying to find a way to get weapons to ukraine. but i imagine they are burning the midnight oil in the national security council. mike: as someone who worked with nato previously, what more can the alliance do to them ukraine. >> they need to activate the logistics river they are in command of. turn it into combat and lethal weapons. and they have an easy border to get that stuff through nearly viv. it should have happened yesterday. the ukraines valiantly fought

off a determined enemy for four days. look at the spirit and look how they are led. we need to invest in our nato partner and that's where may sow to should start. there should be serious discussions about what president zelensky wants. he wants nato and the west to close the deal. i would say if they don't, there fist great peril in nato turning their backs on ukraine. like * what about the idea of a no-fly zone over ukraine? >> the window is closed on getting weapons into ukraine. we can't be talking about a no-fly zone. we don't want to send u.s. forces into ukraine. we don't want to get into a war with russia. that is frankly off the table. joe biden made many, many

mistakes in this crisis. but he recognizes that we don't want our forces involved. we other nations to be calling out the russians. we want every country on earth to call the russian ambassador and chew him out. protests outside of empassy and outside the united nations. cutting off access to the russian industries, banking, air flights. make it impossible for russia to operate. a no-fly zone in my opinion is off the table. mike: there are also nato allies in that neighborhood. what about potential spillover into this military conflict? >> that's my point. it's not a static situation. a week ago those were reasonable things to say, had the west taken the right actions a year ago when the forces started to build up. but they preside over the greatest military defeat in

united states military history. here we are with nato being threatened. if the russians gain it upper hands, the idea that putin will stop is ridiculous. since it is a dynamic situation, my advice would be to reconsider where they are at and what measures are necessary to cap this right here. active military engagement may be off the table for an alliance having a hard time getting consensus. certainly there is a range of options we can do to deter the russians. one of them should start at home with pumping and drilling and flowing oil stocks into the world immediately. >> we heard that the russians are frustrated about it resistance they encountered so far from the brave ukraines. is it possible more casualties taken by the russians could hurt putin in terms of public support back home? >> absolutely.

i was saying a week ago i didn't think putin would invade all of ukraine with just 200,000 troops. this is a country of 200 million people. we flew they thanked anti-aircraft missiles. there will be a huge insurgency. protests in the streets. there will be an effort to overthrow this puppet government. these ukrainians are motivated. their national spirit is very, very high. it's hard to see how this can work out for vladimir putin. he's doubling his bodyguards right now because in the kremlin, i think they are nervous. alicia? alicia: despite facing overwhelming odds, ukraine's leader and his outgunned military is refusing to lay down

arms. our government offered to evacuate volodymyr zelensky and his family from kyiv but he declined. joining us is captain burn. president zelensky stated he's russia's number one target. what do you think of his resistance thus far and his probable fate. >> i think president zelensky's example will go down in history as one of the pivotal components. this man is a marked man by the russian government. they had called him a nazi despite being a jew. they know russians if they get into kyiv will come after him and his family. after being offered the chance to evacuate he chose to stand with his people. to let them know he's there fighting alongside of them and

he has just as much to lose as the other ukrainians do in the country. his example has set an example for ukraine yarn soldiers and civilians out there fighting. we heard a lot of heroic stories that are probably in no small part inspired by zelensky and the example he set. more importantly because he set such a great example not only for his own people but for the world, he's really given his country a renewed interest from some of our allies who might not have been so keen to jump in right away to help him out. we are starting to see a lot more movement from nato allies and people around the world to support his cause and support the government. alicia: we have seen in the streets of kyiv doing selfie videos in defiance against russian aggression.

he knows he's putin's number one target. in all honesty how long do you think he can last in the streets of kyiv. >> fighting will be picking up in the city soon. we saw a lot of exchanges on fox news earlier during the nighttime. but i think given the supplies of weapons. given anti-tank weapons, air defense artillery weapons. stinger missiles, javelin missiles, i think the ukrainians can mold out for a long time. we heard reports of them putting up barricades in the city. soldiers sacrificing their lives. i think you will see heavy fighting in the middle of that city coming up. i'm sure zelensky will be right there in the middle of it with his people. i hope he hold out as long as he can and comes out victorious at

the end of the day. alicia: outnumbered, outgunned. the russian military has yet to take hold of the ukrainian city. do you think they can last? >> it emboldens ukraine. the russians will bring force to bear on kyiv and other cities. the longer the ukrainians hold out, the worse russians look. russian tank columns running out of gas. planes falling out of the sky. the longer this goes on and the more russians that go back to russia not alive is going to cause russia to probably start protesting this even more heavily in the streets because vladimir putin turned the screws

on him. >> their resolve is something to behold. captain jimmy byrn, we appreciate your perspective. mike: we'll talk to a professional basketball player who found himself snuck a country under attack. ♪ dry eye symptoms keep driving you crazy? inflammation in your eye might be to blame. let's kick ken's ache and burn into gear! over the counter eye drops typically work by lubricating your eyes and may provide temporary relief. those drops will probably pass right by me. xiidra works differently, targeting inflammation that can cause dry eye disease. what's that? xiidra? no! it can provide lasting relief. xiidra is the only fda-approved non-steroid eye drop specifically for the signs and symptoms of dry eye disease. one drop in each eye, twice a day. don't use if you're allergic to xiidra. common side effects include eye irritation, discomfort or blurred vision when applied to the eye,

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alicia: the u.s. announcing it will further bolster ukraine's defense. joining us is rich edson. >> what we are looking at from the united states angle and from the west is you are seeing more arms going to ukraine and more sanctions going towards russia. what you are seeing today, $350 million in security assistance. the latest shipment will include antiarmor and anti-aircraft systems and small arms. it's fair to say javelins will be part of this. president biden just approved that $350 million in military aide. the pentagon says the u.s.

approveds a billion dollars in security assistance. american allies are joining as well. poland says they delivered ammunition to ukraine. germany says it will send 1,000 anti-tank rockets. there could be aide from the united kingdom, and the czech republic. it continues working with the pentagon on a list of what it calls crucial requirements. >> we'll not surrender and we need all the support we can get from the free world. we are defending our homes, our families, democracy, defending our choice to be sovereign, but we are also defending europe. we are at the forefront of this fight. reporter: allies announced they

are removing the russian system from swift. and they are they created a task force targeting russian oligarchs to freeze their assets like mansions and yachts. at the pace those leaving has picked up over the past day. a u.n. official says the agency estimates 150,000 of people have threat the country. and 100,000 ukrainians are displaced within their country. mike: playing a professional sport is not easy. but this is what happened to a

former nba basketball star. maurice creek. how are you? what are you seeing where you are? what are you hearing? and what is your game plan at this point? >> i have been hearing the bombs at night. the shooting at night. and it's terrifying for me to hear that, you know. my family is on the phone. the coaching staff is worried. it's just bad. >> explain to folks watching why it was so difficult to get out of the country before the invasion happened. >> it was difficult for me. just because the team didn't want me to go. they didn't think that it would happen. you know? so they said even though i

think -- i thought it would happen, they didn't think it would. so they were holding me basically here trying to see if it would happen. and i was trying to get out. but they never came to terms. and by the time it did come to terms i'm already stuck here. >> what are you doing now? are you talking to team make mates about a game plan. >> every day i'm on the phone with my agent trying to get out of here as soon as possible. i was supposed to be out of here thursday before it started. so this happened the day after, i would have been gone by now. but me and my agent are talking

every day trying to get everything situated. me and the coaching staff talking every day trying to get everything situated. hopefully i can get to one of the borders and get out of here as soon as possible. >> the remaining time we have. is there something you wants to say to your family and friends in the washington, d.c. area praying for you and rooting for you obviously. >> i want to say i love you all. i love all the support i'm getting from everybody. not just my family and friends. but from people i don't know. it means a lot to me that you support me in this time of need right now. i need all lot of and support right now. because you know, it's not guaranteed. you don't know what may happen. i am in a war zone right now, and it doesn't -- you don't

know. just knowing all the love i'm getting right now, i appreciate. it makes me kind of easy on the situation right now. so thank you. mike: maurice creek we'll keep you in our thoughts and prayers for getting out of there safely. alicia: the pentagon consistently maintained it will not send troops to ukraine. but russia is accusing the u.s. of getting involved. are you taking a statin drug to reduce cholesterol? it can also deplete your coq10 levels. i recommend considering qunol coq10 along with your statin medication. the brand i trust is qunol.

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alicia: the pentagon is responding to a russian report that the u.s. was involved in naval operation with ukraine near the zmiiny island.

this -- chalk this up to one more lie by the russian intelligence. mr. schumaker. the pentagon denies it's been involved in naval operations with ukraine. could the u.s. military somehow get involved in this conflict? >> not with regards to the ray that was just described. this report came out of the russian ministry of defense most likely directed more towards the russian population than the international level. president putin is trying to bolster support. the russian people don't seem to be buying it. so much to the point where the russian government banned media

in media from reporting anything on the war in ukraine that is not coming out of official statements. this an official ministry of defense statement that the russian media is allowed to quote. alicia: on day four how would you rate how things are going on the russian side and the ukraine ukraine -- the ukrainian side. >> i think the ukrainians have surprised every one. this is largely coming out of the old soviet deep strike doctrine. essentially that's the russian version of blitzkrieg. they focus on armored vehicles such as tanks and other armored and economic needs units and

pushing through any resistance they have. once they do that is the enemy, the ukrainians would be so disorganized and surprised by how quick lit russians acted that they would be able to push through and mop up any resistance that happened. because the ukrainians were taught in many russian military universities and training cycles how the russians think. the ukrainians let the initial units go by and that's where we are seeing the death and destruction come from. the ukrainians are going for the supply lines following the initial raid. alicia: now that we are seeing

vladimir putin more and more isolated. with the present sure on the international stage and he's having problems with his people themselves. >> that's a great question. i think we'll see some developments on that front monday morning when markets open. the sec and moody's have started to reevaluate russian credit. s & p downgraded russian credit down to junk status and the russian ruble will go into free-fall monday. that will hit the russian population where it hurts. the russian population doesn't want this fight. it's all coming from president putin. we'll see monday how this happens and if the russian population pushes back against their leadership.

mike: the russian invasion forcing tens of thousands of ukrainians from their homes. fighting aged men are asked to stay behind and fight. we go to bryan llenas. reporter: more than 150,000 ukrainian refugees have crossed into neighboring countries. half of them into poland. but also. the boy and his sister were trying to make it out of ukraine with their father, but their far it was stopped by border guards because paul ukrainian men between 18 and 60 can't leave so they can fight. the father hardened the the kids over to a stranger who reunited them in hungary with their mom. many crossing over are women and

children. ukrainians have been forced to flee with whatever they can carry by hand or into their vehicles. it has taken four days just to make it that far. one norwegian citizen who was stuck in ukraine describes his journey to poland. >> i was trying to get out of kyiv today, and luckily yesterday i got through. then we took a taxi and the taxi driver was sneaking on the road and the police stopped him and sent him back and we walked about 20 kilometers. reporter: ukrainians are having to wait 24 hours before their

bus to temporary shelters in poland. the polish government has set up hospital beds for the wound. the u.n. refugee agency estimates million maybe forced to become refugees. mike: you wonder if they will ever be reunited with their dads because they are staying behind. >> we have many families still stuck at home or making their way through the treacherous roads trying to make their way out. this is unfortunately a humanitarian disaster that is just beginning. >> a heartbreaking drama for all

those families. alicia: western nations joining forces to put a financial squeeze on russia hoping that will force putin to retreat.

mike: the united states and canada along with our allies are taking action that will likely send the ruble into downfall. a statement by our allies say they are committed to insure the banks will be removed from the world financial system. in english, layman's terms, what is the significance of removing these russian banks from swift. >> a big deal.

society for worldwide interest national banks is essentially the world economy as you know it. if you are somebody who wants to send money globally across the world, say moscow. it is essentially the numbers that you have to enter or put in your computer to have that financial transaction goes through. so both banks know it's a legitimate transaction. without having that secured transaction net work it's difficult for banks to understand if the transactions are legitimate. it's been around since the 1970s. and we used these types of sanctions before. we used them on iran and two russian banks in 2014. transactions can't flow and it could devastate the russian

economy. mike: does it make it virtually impossible to do transactions with russian enemies because there is no real way to pay for what you are sphwhieg. >> in 2014, we cut off two russianing banks from the global system using the swift system. visa and mastercard fowmed and said if we can't use swift we can't deal with niece russian banks either and they essentially shut them out of using those credit card transactions. and the russians had to develop their own alternative system for processing credit cards. this is a huge deal not just for russian oligarchs or million airs or billionaires. it will impact russian citizens. mike: i know you are familiar are the russian military. how surprised do you think putin

and their top commanders are from the resistance they are getting ukrainians. >> russians should be winning this war. they should be crushing the ukrainians. russia has not deployed the bulk of their forces against ukraine. they only put in 40 to 50 percent of their forces. i think putin thought they would be able to go in and mop up easily. they were trained by u.s. forces, nato forces. so they know how to fight. they have been waging this war for 8 years, they knew what they were facing and they have been ready for it. mike: you have written that putin could choke on ukraine. >> eventually i think vladimir

putin will throw in the bulk of his forces and his goal is to conquer the whole country. it's easy to conquer a com country but not easy to control it longterm. eventually vladimir putin's finances will dry up. the russian economy, the population is getting older. they have an economy that's not good shape. he may be choke on this because he won't be able to fight the counterinsurgency war that will develop in ukraine. >> fascinating. thank you so much for your time. great to have your expertise. alicia: members of the hacking group anonymous are taking matters into their own hands going after russian government sites. have they been effective?

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ukrainian. >> the kremlin's main website has been hacked to play

ukrainian songs. how disruptive are cyber attacks like these for russia? joining us now, cyber-security expert. putin was expected to go into ukraine and take over quickly. we are not seeing that. now we are seeing this cyber attack by anonymous in russia. how effective is this against putin? >> i think any time a group acts independently without the coordination of allies and others, it can have limited effectiveness. in fact there could be unintended consequences with actions like that. the best course of action usually and particularly in this case when there are kinetic forces involved is to act together on a united front in a coordinated way to achieve the

desired results without unintended consequences. alicia: what kind of unintended consequences are we talking about. >> if you are acting alone outside the coordination of these teams in these countries you can take down an infrastructure that is being relied on for the official strategy to work. you could perhaps have consequences that may result in human lives or other disruptions. so unless you are privy to the strategy of the allied forces, these are things that can happen. which i'm sure is not the goal. alicia: i'm going to bring in my colleague, mike emanuel who has questions as well. mike require seems americans should be careful celebrating

these hacks. they might hack american end advertise. >> there is a reason why we have the private-public coordination into government and these coordinated efforts. so we can operate together. that we could move together. outside of that, dangerous things can happen. alicia: ann marie, i have a question. does it surprise you the internet is still up and running in ukraine. that the rights are on and people are able to communicate? >> it is very strategic to keep it on for many reasons. not only can you coordinate on the defensive side, but it actually can be a way to coordinate for offense as well. without any lights on, without any infrastructure, then both parties are blinds.

in regular trade craft you want visibility even if it means the other side has it, too. mike: is it possible it might work in vladimir putin's strategy to turn the lights off in russia to a certain degree or turn the cyberspace off of it if there is bad news coming from ukraine to keep his home country in the dark about what's going on in ukraine? >> certainly. he telegraphed that in his own strategy in prior years. he had written that he wanted to perform a test to see what it would look like if he turned the lights off in his own internet space. it's part of the realm of possibilities for him and what he's thinking. alicia: we are seeing president putin turn into more of an

international pariah. if he starts to feel more and more cornered by the international community, how concerned should we be that he will retaliate. i know people are change their passwords. they are very concerned. >> it's always a good idea to have strong passwords and to rotate them. as we have seen, this part of his trade craft. even within offense to the ukraine, there was an attack on ukraine's power fred in 0d power grid in 2016. that caused collateral damage throughout the world. the target was initally ukraine. it's part of hits repertoire for

warfare. cyber is absolutely part of it. mike: any thoughts on the key role cyber plays in this conflict and how big an issue it is going forward? >> cyber is fundamental. you have an equalizee of capabilities that you don't have to overcome time and space for. so you have these abilities to attack in a non-kinetic way or have intelligence in a non-kinetic way that we didn't see 50 years ago. so it's a vital part to defend and sadly offense as well. alicia: thank you for your expertise. our coverage continues. mike he man were you and i will be right back. vewise. ♪ ♪

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