>> trace: that's "the story" of july 5. we'll see you back here tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. eastern. "your world" with pete buttigieg starts right now. have a great day. >> we heard the first shot. it was boom, boom, boom. >> during the attack, we believe that crimo fired more than 70 rounds in the crowd of innocent people. >> that's what we saw, people walking with blood on their shirts and their pants. i listened to a woman wandering the streets screaming her child's name, trying to find her child. >> i heard the screams of all the people being shot. people frantically picking up their children. >> we do believe that crimo

preplanned this attack for several weeks. >> people need to place to go when they're going to do harm. >> neil: people making sense of that awful attack on innocence. we're learning a little more about the alleged shooter. let's get the latest from mike tobin ahead of authorities giving us an update as well in highland park. mike? >> neil, the very sad detail today is that another of the shooting victims as you mentioned succumbed to the victories. the death total here from the highland park parade shooting is now at 7. we're getting more details about the suspected gunman. bobby eugene crimo iii, 21 years old. he lived in his father's basement. police say he dressed like a woman on the day of attack to avoid detection. the weapon used is a rifle

similar to an ar-15 purchased legally in illinois. crimo possessed another rifle and additional guns. he accessed the roof from which he fired 70 rounds down on spectators. he dropped his rife and blended in with the crowd. >> following the attack, crimo exited the roof and blended in with the crawed and escaped. he walked to his mother's home and blended in with everybody else as they ran around almost as he was an innocent spectator as well. >> north chicago police officer spotted the honda that went out with the suspect's description. a short pursued and crimo was taken into custody about six meals away. seven people were killed, 30 treated at local hospitals. people here in this wealthy peaceful town are still shocked. we have accounts be of children

telling their parents they don't want to die. dogs running around because their panicked owners ran from the scene. take you to the crime scene which is still preserved because the fbi forensic team are gathering all the effort they can. some of the discarded material has been gathered up. you can see baby strollers, blankets, coolers. the type of things as people panicked and left this area. we're waiting for information about charges against bobby crimo. that will possibly come in a short time. neil? >> neil: thanks, mike. to howard safer, the former nypd commissioner. we always seem to talk on these type of events and afterwards. i feel bad about that but i learn a lot from what you tell us. what we're learning about piecing together about the shooter, he wasn't on a lot of

people's radar but he was on social media radar. he posted some scary videos and postings and that i was not shared until it was too late. what do you make of that? >> well, i think you put it right where it should be. it's social media that needs to cooperate with law enforcement and report. they have algorithms that tell if somebody does and agree with their political views. they take that person off. they certainly should be able to determine when a young man, 18 to 21 posts these violent paintings on social media about killing people. you know, there's red flag laws. but if you don't have the data, they're useless. >> neil: we believe he preplanned this attack for

weeks, not just a little while but for weeks. that he used this high powered weapon and purchased legally in illinois. i'm wondering what you make of some of this. some of the things that came to light. he was quiet, didn't seem to have any friends, kept to himself. that is almost a consistent description of those who to this kind of thing. what do you make of it all? >> well, we don't need to make a profile. we've had 300 mass shootings. the majority of them are committed by males, 18 to 21 who are on social media, that are generally loaners. it's a profile that should be reported. the problem is he purchased a gun legally because even the gun law that was just passed is only going to prevents people from under 21 from purchasing them. it's not going to prevent the 350 million guns that are out

there getting into the hands of people that want to commit violent acts. we have to do real, real law enforcement. that includes making sure social media reports, making sure red flag laws have access to data, making sure that schools report rather than trying to put undercovers despairate acts by these individuals. we're at a point now where anybody is a target. >> neil: in places where you normally don't think of being a target, right? in a parade for one thing. copenhagen over the weekend, we saw a shooting in a mall. people don't think of shootings there as they didn't before a few years ago, shootings in movie theaters. we saw that in aurora, colorado. not that these events are common, but the places they're

occurring used to be not very common. what do you make of that? >> well, these are senseless acts, but they're on soft targets. a parade is a soft target. a supermarket is a soft target, a walmart is a soft target. we have to make sure that we have enough information about these individuals including if we all have to give up a little bit of our privacy to determine who these people are. once we catch them, that's a failure. we have to get more data and make sure that i know that it's impossible politically to get a ban on assault weapons. certainly ways to make sure that young people can access them. we're not doing it. >> if there was nothing in his path, say some of his rants on the internet to prevent him from getting such weapons and it's

not part of the legislation that congress passed, should it be added in there? >> absolutely. we should definitely have a red flag law that says if you post on social media for if you send letters or verbalize that you're going to hurt somebody with a gun, law enforcement should go to this person's house and make sure if he has any guns that they're taken away and put him on notice that he's on the radar. this is somebody that just killed seven people senselessly. makes me angry. >> neil: understandably, howard and planning it for weeks. howard safer, the former nypd commissioner. we'll be waiting to hear from authorities and also waiting to hear from the transportation secretary of the united states, pete buttigieg. what he as the guy in charge plans to do about flight delays. stay with us. july, lowe's has summer savings

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>> they've been calling it airmageddon. it's a trend of flights being cancelled that started memorial day and on through father's day and now the past july fourth weekend. we're told that things are stabilizing somewhat, but again,

the weekend has come and gone. the read on all of this from the transportation secretary of the united states, pete buttigieg who joins us right now. secretary, very good to have you. thank you. >> good to be with you. >> neil: let me ask you first about where we stand right now. it seems a little better today. again, the weekend is over. what did you make of how the airline industry functioned this past weekend? >> that's right. so this last holiday travel weekend had some of the busiest days of the entire year. i was very concerned with what happened over the memorial day weekend. got the airlines together, asked them what steps they were taking and anything that we could do collaboratively to see improvements by the july fourth holiday weekend. the good news is, this last travel weekend went better than memorial day did. >> neil: it's a low bar, right?

>> yeah, we saw about 3% of flights cancelled in a normal year over that travel weekend. you want to see the number below 2. so it's still higher than it should be. number of issues contributing to that and we're going to continue using our consumer protection enforcement authority to make sure when that does happen, they're properly compensated and to look at the operational side to make sure that the numbers go down. it's not yet at a level that i consider acceptable. >> neil: that's probably an understatement. bernie sanders says it's time for the transportation department to impose fines on poor performing airlines. he was suggesting that passengers are -- with delays of more than one hour to be compensated. how dough feel about that?

>> well, look, we certainly shouldn't be afraid to take aggressive measures when that is appropriate. as a matter of fact, earlier on my watch, we issued the heftiest fines that have ever been assessed against airlines. that failed to do what they need to do when it comes to refunding passengers. in terms of this specific proposal, there's more analysis to be done on the effect that those levels of fines would have on the aviation sector and the national aviation situation. i'm open to ideas. we're going to continue working on our side with the authorities that we have right now. we updated our interpretation of unfair and deceptive practices. i have acted on that. we're undertaking an investigation right now on the issue of customer service. you know, when you do have -- sometimes with weather, other issues, there's a cancellation

or delay that can't be afforded. when it does happen, you have to handle it. we've had hours and hours just to have somebody take care of you. that's another responsibility that the airlines have. we have to continue to press the airlines with the authorities that we have, and always open to ideas. they have to be ideas that work and give us a better system than we already have. >> neil: unfortunate will to your point, secretary, these guys, the airline industry, received better than $50 billion in taxpayer support. understanding when the business came to a halt because of covid. but what did they do with that money? how were they not prepared for the demand that would come as the economy got back and people got back to flying? >> that's right. look, tens of billions of dollars of taxpayer support went to the airlines to keep people in jobs. if we keep people employed,

we'll have the airline sector up and running for when the demand comes back. now the demand has come back faster than most people thought possible. part of a general return in spending that happened much more quickly than expected. that's a good thing. but the airlines have to be prepared to service the tickets that they sell. >> neil: where did that money go? a lot of it -- >> here's where the money went. it went to keep people on the job and prevent people from being laid off and furloughed. the bill was set up, it said you can't fire anybody. here's what happened. while they comply with the bill, you still saw the airlines guide a lot of their pilots and experienced crews in to early retirement. that didn't violate the terms of this taxpayer money. early retirement is different. what these buyouts did, they left the airlines unprepared to

service the routes and that's coming back to bite the system. now passengers are asking, with all of this taxpayer funding going over, we are we seeing the system not able to keep up with the demand now that passengers are ready to fly again. >> neil: there were about 1,700 pilots for delta protesting. a lot of flyers are saying why didn't you fly the plane. what did you make of that? >> they're working a lot of overtime. they can only take on so many shifts because of safety requirements. secondly, you know, you can only work so many hours when it's dramatically more than what you signed up for. that's why we need to have a stronger pipeline. that means competitive pay. we have seen regional airlines increasing their pay.

that's a good move. people would be shocked to find out how little a pilot gets paid when they enter into that regional airline work force. on our side, we're funding curriculum development in high schools, colleges and dozens around the country to build up that sense of interest in aviation so that we can more readily recruit and train pilots. but a lot of it like any job, comes down to compensation, job quality -- >> neil: how do you address that, secretary? i know you oversee the f.a.a. as well. there's worker shortages there as well. when it comes to pilots, the retirement age remains 65. should it? would you be for increasing the pool of available workers then that could fly these planes that oftentimes they're begging to find pilots? >> i'm much more interested in raising the bar on things like compensation and job quality than lowering the bar on something like safety. when you get to these training

hours, the retirement age, those are fundamentally safety regulations. the united states of america should be able to have robust aviation system without watering down our expectations on safety. >> neil: you think you compromised -- i'm sorry. are you comprising safe tiff with a pilot older than 55? with have a president almost 80. what is the big deal if we went up a few more years? >> look, that regulation is there for safety reasons. i haven't seen any piece of information or data that would suggest that the reasoning has changed. so i'm going to look at other steps that are not affecting safety. if somebody wants to present their ideas, we'll take a look at it. safety is the bedrock of why my department exists. it's the founding mission of the faa. think about how remarkable it is that we have such an

extraordinary safety record in a country where 40,000 people a year are killed in car crashes. there's a lot of work to get us where we are and keep it that way. that's our commitment. >> neil: no doubt that the safety is important. you're right. but to a lot of americans flying this summer, they have given up hope that it will be a smooth ride. i'm beginning to wonder if people lost confidence in the airline after abandoning routes, cutting back the number of cities that they service and even taking a lot of planes out of service whether that was ever envisioned in the 50-plus billion that taxpayers gave them. do you think that they wasted that money? >> look, when that money went

out, when the rescue plan passed, one of the first things i heard is that flight attendants and other airline workers were told that they could tear up their furlough notices. that was a very good thing. many of these airlines, if not all of them, might have completely collapsed and gone out of business. we forget in the chatter how close this economy came to going off the brink. that was definitely true for the airlines. i don't think it was a mistake to keep the u.s. aviation sector in business. i do think the airlines that accepted all of this funding need to service the routes they're selling tickets for. >> so when you look at the industry, you advocated like a stress test like banks. most of them have come through okay with these tests, but do we need something similar for the airline industry? something tells me that they

would fail that test and they have at least in recent weekends. so what to you advocate? >> yeah, you know, i think among other things, they have to demonstrate that they can service their routes. one of the things i talked to them about stress testing their schedules to make sure that they could support those schedules with more realistic assumptions and staff as well as things that are a little less in their control like weather and things they're working on like the air traffic control side of the house. all of those things need to go right for things to move smoothly. we clearly have hit issued that this sector is not as resellient as it needs to be. it's a very concentrated sector. do back to when deregulation took place. nobody argued or believes that there would be as few airlines as there are today in this mark. that means that, you know, if

that's the industry structure, we have to stay very closely on top of that to make sure that consumers, taxpayers, passengers are protected. that's what we do with the consumer protection function in my department. in addition to the faa looking at operational safety, we have an office of consumer protection. we've had an uptick in the numbers of complaints in there. we're looking at everything from prompt refunds to just being able to get somebody on the phone. >> neil: finally, secretary, gas prices as you know continue to rise. as of late they've been stabilizing. i know the administration has focused on the energy companies and whether they're gouging americans. there's no evidence of that. he did add gas station owners, that they should do more. seeing as better than 95% of them are individually run and have nothing to do with the oil companies, do you think that was fair? do you think that the owners of

gas stations in this country are deliberately gouging americans? >> the one group of people that we see that is happy about what is happening with gas prices are oil company executives and owners. we've seen them out there saying they're not going to increase production. why would that when they're this profitable. that's why the president says you're not producing -- >> neil: are you blaming the oil companies for this? are you blaming the oil companies for this? >> i'm certainly holding oil companies responsible for their choice not to produce. again, even though congressional republicans are not going to allow this to happen, we believe a use it or use it policy that says if you sit on the permits or leases, you ought to do something with them is responsible. obviously there are and always have been a lot of different factors that global petroleum markets, one of which is the

fact that a major oil-producing company launched a war of aggression and destabilized so much of the world company -- >> neil: half of that increase started prior to the first russian soldiers arriving on ukraine. that's right? >> what about the other half? >> that half before, we had run up -- your administration has blamed this on the war. that was certainly a big factor. but gas prices have gone up 50% already before the war. so to me that is half of the blame. it's not all the blame. >> yeah. what i'm saying about when it comes to these sky high gas prices, drivers are mad about it, i'm mad about it. the president is mad about it. i'll companies are thrilled. this is good news for them. when the incentives are that divided between them and the american people, it's very important for congress to do

everything it can to ensure the consumers are pro teched. that's all we're saying with this use it or lose it idea. i don't know if it would take care of every market but it would help. >> neil: they know supply and demand as you do. if the oil companies could get their hand on more land to take advantage of this, with the demand still being what it is, they could make bus loads of money. wouldn't that be in their interest? by fingering them -- they're not saints. they want to make more money in this environment. why wouldn't that? >> why are they sitting on these opportunities to produce right now? it's because this environment where they're extremely profitable and the rest of us are getting killed is favorable for their bottom line. >> neil: would it be more favorable with more land. if you're limited with those 9,000 permits and licenses that you talk about, then they're not all going to be gushers.

even that 9,000 is about half what it was 18 months ago. why wouldn't they -- >> they're sitting on it right now. they make more money with the status quo. that's the bottom line. when incentives are that misaligned -- you have to take a look at a policy interception. that's what policy exists for, to make sure that companies are out there to make a buck, which is what companies do. fine. but when they do, doesn't have to be in a way to hurt the american people. i don't think anybody thinks that oil markets are a textbook example of a natural supply and demand perfectly competitive part of the economy. we know that they are massively shaped by everything from war and peace around the world to policy decisions. we think more of those policy decisions ought to be ones that favor the consumer instead of

the oil company executives and onners. >> neil: are you saying they're rigging the games? there's been investigations between republicans and democrats over 40 years. not a one has been able to accurately prove or state that this is what is going on. this cabal was acting to horde prices and to screw consumers. it has and happened. >> so look, if them keeping prices up while declining to produce more isn't breaking laws, i'd like to ask whether we could have better laws. that's what i'm saying. >> neil: are you saying they're the reason why the prices are up? nothing else is going on? >> again, we know that there are always lots and lots of things that drive oil markets and gas prices. >> you're administration has targeted them, right? that's the reason and nothing else. >> again, i think -- i feel like we presented multiple reasons.

we talked about a couple of them. one of them is putin's war of aggression. you have a country that goes to war that is affecting markets. we think the behavior is another reason. we know that -- the fact that demand has come roaring back. there's a demand pressure that in any market affected by supply and demand will have an effect. those are some of the things. when there's things under the administration's control, the petroleum reserve, the ethanol flexibility, the opportunity for relief on the gas station, the president and the administration will pull other levers. it would be a mistake to give vladimir putin a pass and to give oil executives a pass when they're the only people in the country perfectly happy with the gas price environment we're living with today. >> neil: but it's not just the putin gas tax hike, right? >> it's not just anybody. it's not any one factor.

that's my point -- >> neil: i don't want to belabor the point. all i hear is the putin hike. i look around what else has happened? >> like i said, a lot of things going on. one other thing. since all of the dynamics that we talked to affecting aisle -- oil prices, there's a lot of other things that are frankly more responsive to policy choices than others like the cost of prescription drugs. we believe that we ought to take action to lowter cost of prescription drugs, insulin, lower the cost of healthcare, child care. these are things that congress could do right now that the president called for, there's a lot of opposition to it. but precisely because there's, as you correctly not, lots of different factors that drive oil prices.

we could be doing work at the same time on some of the issues that are more directly sensitive to the policy choices made in washington that would give americans relief every day at the kitchen table. >> neil: understood. thanks. the transportation secretary, pete buttigieg. thanks again, secretary. all right. >> me pleasure. >> neil: i do want to review a couple other developments we're following this highland park presser right now. seven are dead. >> our focus shifts to the victims and those left behind. this crisis has devastated entire families and our community in a single moment and we know it will take time to heal. on behalf of the community and the world that mourns alongside us, i offer those that have passed our condolences. i thank those that have organized pray vigils.

while we're hurting, we know we will continue to come together and support each other as we always do in difficult times. we're highland park strong. >> there were some questions in the last press briefing about prior contacts that law enforcements may have had with crimo. we've done some research and i'm going to relay information from two prior incidences here. the first was in april of 2019. an individual contacted highland park police department a week after learning mr. crimo attempting suicide. this was a delayed report. highland park still respond add week later. spoke with crimo. spoke with crimo's parents and the matter was being handled by mental health professionals at that time.

there was no law enforcement action to be taken. it was a mental health issue. the second occurred in september of 2019. a family member reported that crimo said he was toing to kill every one and crimo had a collection of knives. police responded to his residence. police removed 16 knives from crimo's home. at that time there was no probable cause to arrest. there were no complaints that were signed by any of the victims. the high pressure police department, however, did immediately notified the illinois state police of the incident. shifting gears. the community has been terrific with providing information to law enforcement investigators throughout this. but we're asking the community if they're able to dig deeper and recall some specific instances from the events based

on video surveillance recovered by our investigators. we're very certain that there was a female witness who saw crimo drop an open inside of a red blanket behind ross' at 625 central avenue following the shooting. if you're the witness and you're hearing this, call 800-callfbi. investigators really would like to spoke to you about this. we're also asking that anyone with any first-hand information about crimo relevant to this investigation also call 800-callfbi. we're asking for first hand information that could be relevant that could help investigators. we're not asking for third party information or information heard through the grapevine. only if it's first hand knowledge. to update the victim count including those that have

perished. there are approximately 45 injured or deceased from this incident. at about 5:30 p.m., the state's attorney's office will be holding a press conference and we anticipate an announcement of charges at that time. with that, we'll take some questions. >> going through the september incident, we're doing to say this could have been an opportunity to stop what went on here. your view on that and how are things supposed to be handled? how do you stop a shooter if someone is calling police saying hey, we have a problem. >> so the police responded in september. police can't make an arrest unless there's probable cause or somebody is willing to sign complaints. absent of those things, the police don't have the power to detain somebody. if there's an issue where there's necessity to involuntarily commit somebody to the hospital, that is an option. that wasn't an option at that time. didn't fall in that category.

nonetheless, highland park police notified illinois state police. >> [question inaudible] >> the threat was directed at family inside of the home. >> [question inaudible] >> so in order to purchase a gun legally in illinois -- >> you mentioned how much the media has been helpful with videos, sending information to you guys. so many people are asking how can they do it in the future? given the amount of social media posts, the disturbing content. would you recommend that community members in this community or others flag that?

if you were aware of it, could it have presented something like this considering red flag laws? >> the question is social media, if we had known about the posts, would we have investigated? the answer is absolutely. if the public sees something that is concerning online with anybody, they should notified social media network its posted on, notify local law enforcement and we get involved. law enforcement will do everything they can to make sure the community is safe. if we don't know about it, it's hard to investigate it. >> and with the red flag laws, would have it been enough for you to take any sort of action? >> in the case of september, the knives were secured. >> [question inaudible] >> so at that time there was no information that he possessed any firearms, any rifles.

would that be enough if he's making threats? it's a case by case basis. i don't want to speak broadly to the issue. it depends on the circumstances. there's circumstances where law enforcement has the authority to obtain a seizure order. it's situational dependent every time. >> [question inaudible] >> nothing that i know about at this time. >> you mentioned that the weapon, the rifles were legally purchased in this general area. can you specifically say when they were purchased? >> they were purchased after that september incident. i tonight have the exact dates. i believe it was in 2020 and 2021. >> [question inaudible] >> investigators have been tirelessly working since crimo

was taken into custody trying to determine motive. at this point, there's no definsive motive that he has. >> [question inaudible] >> he has been talking to investigators. >> [question inaudible] >> i don't have that information. >> [question inaudible] >> it was the right call. it was in a red blanket. >> chris, you have the information that he may have tried to check himself into a hospital. >> no. we don't have that information. >> to follow up on the last incident. you said involuntary committing him was not an option. what are the options for officers? >> based on that time, based on those circumstances, that was not an option. didn't fall into that category. >> what would it have required? >> a case by case situation. >> [inaudible

>> i don't know. >> [question inaudible] >> so he had purchased five. five firearms. that includes rifles and handguns. >> were the other three legally purchased? >> there were a combination of which. i don't have the exact count. two rifles, some pistols and possibly a shotgun. those seized at the father's home pursuant to a search warrant yesterday. >> [question inaudible] >> i would have to do on that. >> [question inaudible] >> approximately a year. >> [question inaudible] >> not yet. we're working on obtaining some information. >> what >> cook. >> [question inaudible]

>> yes. if charges are filed today, he will be in court tomorrow morning. >> is there more evidence of what was found in the car? you found the blanket. >> evidence technicians are collecting a lot of shell casings. anything of any evidently value, that's the extend. >> [question inaudible] >> in the car there was a rifle. i would have to check and get back to you. >> [question inaudible] >> he drove around to a number of places. he drove into wisconsin, came back to illinois. that's when the alert people recognized the vehicle and called 911 and he was stopped. >> [question inaudible] >> the fbi, the atf, federal partners, the department of justice, are very involved in this case. i can't speak for them.

all i can say is they are on the ground working in lock step. two more. >> [question inaudible] >> master sergeant garcia. basically september of 2019, i did receive information from highland park. at that time the individual named in the report did not have a card or anything to revoke or to review. so at that point that part of it was done. >> there was nothing to done -- is there any way that they could get a card in the future with

any action like that taken? >> at that time getting people -- we didn't have a pending application. there was nothing to review. we didn't know a few months later. >> what would you have to have seen to commit somebody? >> involuntary commit someone? >> to follow up on, after looking at the facts. was that an option? is this involuntary committed? >> there was no application at the time. >> but the lead came to you. the person had knives. obviously the threat that was posed. your role is whether or not he had a firearm. >> correct. >> so state law, can you flag someone and say hey, wore flagging this person. are you allowed to say -- >> more questions regarding that procedure from the state police

will be forthcoming. so we know there will be some questions directed to the state police on procedure, how card applications work, when a notification comes in from local law enforcement. that is much better answered by the state police. hard to speak to their policies. one more. >> [question inaudible] >> i don't want to get into how we know he was in wisconsin, but we know he traveled to the madison area before turning around and coming back. >> last question. >> did he parents asked -- were they involved when the knives were taken from him? did they report he was threatening and that's why they came to get the knives? >> a family member reported he was being threatened. >> so a family member reports of knives being there but he's buying guns and nobody is saying nothing? >> i'm not quite following your question. the police responded in september to this call. they responded. they took the knives out of the

home. they filed the paperwork with the illinois state police. at that time there was no function to make an arrest. >> the parents are there watching him buy five and six and seven guns. >> i don't know in the parents are there. >> neil: you've been getting a little more information here on robert crimo, the alleged shooter in highland park, illinois. one of the more startling developments was an incident at his with knives. we don't know if that had anything to do with the legal purchase of the weapons that we had in his arsenal in his trunk including the weapon that we had for his attack yesterday. we also learned the death count has gone up to seven right now. you heard repeated reference to

45 injured or killed. so 38 are injured of various severity in local hospitals. mike tobin with more on the significance of what we just learned. mike, what can you tell us? >> two things that we didn't get out of this update, we didn't get to any charges. we may get that in two hours. we also did not get any clue as to a motive. why did this happen. we know that crimo is now speaking to investigators. but what we also got, he didn't seem like he's put together. he has a history of mental problems. apparently he had threatened to kill everybody and he had knives and they took the knives away. what we now know, he got the weapons. five different weapons. two of them rifles. one was left at the scene, a shotgun and several hand guns. we also know as far as that man hunt went, we didn't know how it proceeded. it ended just six miles from

here. according to police, he took the chase or took his own trip, if you will, all the way to madison, wisconsin, which isn't a three hours from this location. then returned here because clearly he didn't have a plan. he was a bit -- you're getting the sketch of someone that was mixed up. so that is a situation you have out here. you have someone that had run-ins with law enforcement and didn't meet the threshold for involuntary commitment to a mental facility. they took his knives away and left him on the street and he was able to acquire the weapons. he didn't have applications for his card. they called it a legal purchase of these weapons. >> neil: and also to the point that he planned it for weeks and there was a parade. he used this event, a parade. >> clearly he had identify the

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>> neil: you think that was fair? you think the owners of gas stations in this country are deliberately gouging americans? >> look, the one group of people that we see that are actually happy about what is happening with gas prices are oil company executives and owners. we've seen them out there saying, you know, they're not going to increase production and why would that when they're this profitable. >> neil: all right. we're talking to an industry representative that says that is not a fair charge. peter doocy at the white house on how the administration is planning this coordinated strike, if you will, on anyone, anything connected to the energy industry for the pain at the pump.

peter? >> neil, it's not oil industry executives that run 60% of retail gas stations in this country. it is individuals or families that just own one station. president biden still says those folks need to join the big oil producers to bring prices down and to quote the president, he says and do it now. jeff bezos decided to weigh-in on that over the weekend. i just got white house reaction a few minutes ago. >> jeff bezos says the president tweeted about this, either straight ahead misdirection or a deep misunderstanding of basic market dynamics. which is it? >> as you know, we disagree with jeff bezos. we call to call on everyone along that distribution chain as i just mentioned from oil companies to refineries to distributors to retailers to pass their lower costs through to consumers that is what is

important to make sure that we should not make again, consumers pay first and get that relief last. >> when they talk about relief from high gas prices, remember before the president went off to europe, he called on congress to eliminate the federal gas tax. he want as three-month gas tax holiday. just because the president said that doesn't mean the democrats that control the house or the senate have done anything. here we are. no federal gas tax holiday. >> neil: it's going be a leap to get that. we wanted to hear from representatives from the oil and gas industry in response to what the secretary said like fingering a lot of the hardship that you're experiencing right now. tim stewart joins us. good to have you back with us. what the secretary was saying as his boss the president was saying is that you guys are greedy and you're not drilling

and you guys are not taking advantage of this hurting moment for average americans. you say? >> well, i heard him also equate oil and gas executives with the same level as vladimir putin. to that, have to say wow. that is something that he may want to rethink about. we're all on the same team here in the united states and we're doing our best. a lot that the biden administration can be doing as well. we're not going to do it if they don't talk with us or work with us. there's a high wall put up between the industry and is the administration on trying to solve this crisis. >> so when we look right now and you hear about not taking advantage, leases, permits and if you wanted to take advantage of it, you could. i understand how it works. they're not automatic gushers and a lot of approval process to go through. so you hear from the administration that you like it this way because the way things

are going, you're making money. exxon has a profit of $18 billion this past quarter what do you say? >> the worst thing in the world for the oil and gas industry is extreme volatility in the markets. we like it when there's a steady price climate because we can capitalize and plan to do forward. these wild fluctuations, whether they're caused by administration policies or world events, it's very hard for the smaller producers to plan. we're in the business to make money. we're all in the business to make money. that's what america is based on. the reality, the volatile price climate makes it difficult for us. we like it where the prices are to make money and the consumers can afford what we produce. >> neil: maybe the markets are doing that right now where the ease and the relief the administration seeks is going to come because oil is largely under $100 a barrel and headed

to a recession. what do you think of that? >> i agree with you. none of us want to see a recession and a demand collapse. we're hoping to ease into this. the other issue is lower energy prices are really important for manufacturing and agricultural sectors. from the oil and gas industry, we want to make sure that they can afford to do what they do. >> neil: let me ask you about the last time your industry was able to meet with the administration. ended up not being at the white house. it was at the energy department. the president never showed up. seems to me that there's a lot of bad blood between you guys and you don't see eye to eye. nothing is going to get done. at least on these issues. what do you say? >> well, i think that yeah, there's some difficulties between us over the last 18 months. that doesn't mean going forward we can't resolve our

differences. the white house can't go where they want without us. we can gift them a raft of ideas and policy changes that will make the difference for americans. >> neil: the cynical view is you guys wants him to stew with this and the higher prices, they're behind it or not, and it is the real supply and demand thing. anybody can see that. having said that, you kind of like him in the position that he's in. >> well, you know, it's -- i would rather be in a position where we're getting along together to be honest with you. the american people are smart. they're not a bunch of economic ill literates. they understand there's decisions made prior to where we're at today that drove prices up. i think that they are supportive of domestic oil and gas production. that's a good position for us to be in. the administration can come towards us and we'll would come them. >> neil: thanks, tim stewart, the u.s. oil and gas association president here.

we're following that. the dow was down about 129 points. what was remarkable today, growing sentiment building that we're heading for a slow down. oil prices crop and gas prices drop. ironically the pain at the pump might be resolved ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i'm jesse watters with judge jeanine pirro, harold ford jr., kaylee, kayleigh mcenany and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in the city and this is "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ police revealing new details surrounding a horrific mass shooting in island park illinois during a