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steve: that's why she makes these nervous mistakes because she is not being herself. we are out of time. how great to have you here. thank you for joining us. we will be back next sunday on "the next revolution". trey: good evening thank you for joining us, i am trey gowdy, it's "sunday night in america," we begin with fox news alert, multiple systemic failures, the conclusion of texas state lawmakers who investigated mass shooting at robb elementary school in uvalde, texas, 19 students, two teachers were murdered in may, 400 local state and federal law enforcement officers responded to the shooting. but this investigation found egregiously poor decision making, how do you stand
around while children are being murdered? joining us now, senior correspondent casey stegall with more. reporter: this was an all hands on deck scenario. the break out how many law enforcement responded to this scene of, 376 to be exact showed up here at robb elementary school. of those 149 were u.s. border patrol agents, 91 state troopers, 25 uvalde city police, 16 county sheriff deputies, and 5 school district police. the rest were u.s. marshals, dea and neighbors county deputies. surveillance video obtained by newspaper and tv shows mass of officers gathering in the hallway, the report questions with so many in and quote, lack of a strong
incidents commander, why nobody else with a higher rank or more trains didn't step up sooner, it was not until 12:50 the gunman was taken down. >> we do not specify which officers should have taken over command in here, that would be a little bit of our opinion as to who should have, i will tell you is there are officers in that building who knew or should have known more needed to be done. reporter: door locks are for major part -- another major part of the report, stating if exterior and classroom doors had been locked as they should have been under protocols it would have slowed the shooter oppose -- and possibly bought them more time. the report does say that it is quote plausible some of
the victims could have survived if they didn't have to wait some 73 minutes before they were rescued, 21 people were killed here, 19 children, two teachers, texas lawmakers say this was a fact finding mission, and the information will be used by other texas lawmakers to see if there need to be changes in-laws or protocols to keep something like this from happening again. trey: hundreds of law enforcement officers, they were not all there at the beginning. of those there in the beginning, what is the reason for standing around while children are being murdered in or have they offered a reason? >> they have not. when you see those first three officers get on the scene a few minutes after the gunman entered the
school, they were in the hallway, and then the gunman fired at them, they crouched down and they retreated back to the end of that other hallway. a lot of the answer seems to be that the incident commander uvalde school district police chief, pete arredondo. he was not giving the proper orders, he was treating it as a barricaded subject situation instead of active shooter. but there are a lot of law enforcement members that i have talked to who say that at some point, regardless of what is going on in regardless of what word is coming from your higher ups, children are potentially being killed on the other side of a wall and we're going in to take our own actions, that is what border patrol ended up doing, a tactical team finally made
the decision to go in and end it all. trey: casey, i have worked with cops for 20 years, most of the cops that i worked with. they would have gone in there to try to save children's lives. i just i am dumfounded with all of this military-style equipment, and shots fired as you, and you think it is a barricaded suspect? i love cops, i am pro cops, but someoneos an explaining a to the parents of these children, why not more was done, casey thank you. trey: >> president biden just returned from the middle east, there was no shortage of issues to confront, gas prices are crippling american consumers, increases opec production no doubt came up. why are american energy
producers ostracized and the middle eastern are asked to do more. the tough issue, may have been the need of having saudi arabia add an ally against iran. and perhaps ordered murder of khashoggi. then this is iran, for reasons i don't fully understand, talking to saudi arabia is wrong in the eyes of some, and negotiating with iran is okay? this is the same iran, who sided with russia, supplies terrorist groups in the world and wants to assassinate current or former u.s. government officials in retaliation for killing one of their own generals who happened to be a terrorist. then there is israel. u.s. is lucky we're surrounded by oceans and allies, israel is not so
lucky, israel is surrounded by countries who either currently or previously denied their very existence. being president is a hard job. there are economic issues, security issues, energy issues and the obligation to stand for something morally like not killing members of the press, it is a tough job, why so few of us raise our hands and volunteer for it but what you do raise your hand and say pick me to be the leader of the free world, you can expect some scrutiny, that is what president biden is getting, to help make sense of this my friend from great state of arkansas senator tom
cotton, he served in uniform as author of a couple of different books, one coming out in november, only the strong. how do you plans need for saudi arabia as an ally with the killing of a journalist? how. >> well, the saudi government and trump administration addressed the regrettable killing of khashoggi 4 years ago, we have to realize that saudi arabia has been a partner for 80 years, are they a perfect partner, no, but nobody is. we take our allies where we have find them. they have been allies
against iran. and joe biden comes along said he will ostracize them. it i hope he works with the saudi government going forward. to try to stand up to iran's campaign of terror and aggression it would make us all safer. trey: you mentioned iran. i will play for what you president biden said about iran, get your reaction on the other side. >> ensure iran would not acquire nuclear weapons does that mean you would use force against iran? >> if that was the last resort, yes. trey: what? what does that mean? if reporting is correct, iran is already nuclear capable. you are on the intel. here is a reporting over the weekend, iran is already nuclear capable, now what?
>> trey, the contrast between saudi arabia and iran is a good one, a simple difference. saudi arabia is pro-american and iran is anti-american, and joe biden from his earliest days, has been a blame america first democrat kirkpatrick called them, he and other democrats like him always blame america first and side so many with resistance nations in the world they think are standing up to american power, that is where brack obama and joe biden have been with -- with iran. in the last 15 years, and let iran rush forward a nuclear weapon. joe biden may be willing to let iran be one wrench turn left of a nuclear weapon, i suspect israel is not, whoever wins, i suspect to have united support of
people of israel and its government. not a few arab nations as well. more of a threat to the ayatollahs. >> you mentioned saudi arabia as an ally, israel is one of our staunchest allies. you know having served in uniform and all of the committees, senator tom cotton from the great state of arkansas thank you for joining us on a sunday night. >> thank you, trey. trey: inflation is at a 40 year high. the numbers for june worse anticipated. markets are down, and food, housing and gas among highest increases, they are necessities for american families, including those least able to absorb the higher prices, what is causing this inflation? what can be done about it.
joining us professor austin. these questions will seem elementary to you. we talk in the past. you should be used to that. help me understand how does raising interest rates tame inflation? >> well, thank you, trey. the thing is there is argument going on among economists of will raising interest rates tame inflation? one world view says this inflation came from excess monetary stimulus too much demand, it the fed raises interest rates and kind of shields the demand, cools off housing, and demand for cars and stuff like that, that would reduce inflation. others say it is coming from high supply shocks. in which case, higher
interests will 28 stagflation and raise unemployment but not get rid of inflation, that is the fight that has been going on . trey: who is right in case the fed is watching, can you settle this debate? >> i can't settle it, i have been wrong over the past, i thought it was overwhelming ingly supply side, it looks in is some of both, the fed is doing what they should do in tightening, but when you are in an environment like this where inflation comes in higher than expected. we wanted if you don't look at gas prices and the food, they move up and down quite a lot, if you look at the core, we weren'ting the core
to -- we wanted the core to come down it did not. and that is why feds raise rates rapidly, it is like a bathtub, if you crank up the hot, you are not fine-tuning it that well, you night get in hotter water than you wanted. trey: we mentioned raising interest rates. what other tools does the fed have at its disposal. do all of those tools carry some pain with them? >> the fed has a few tools, they are all the same tool, only tool they have is to crank down demand for interest-rate sensitive sectors of the economy, that all comes with pain, the fed usually trying to do a balancing act of highway hard do we -- how hard do we step on the brake. they do a good job in trying to balance it out but in
this environment, with inflation that high it is really hard to plans that. >> professor, about a minute. you are an optimistic, upbeat guy. i am looking for a light at the end of the tunnel, i hope that it is not a freight train. how longer we going to be living with inflation? when to we get it behind us? >> i mean, the thing about inplaying. unlike all other numbers that we quote, like the gdp and jobs numbers, inflation is backward looking for the year, we already knew what 11 of 12 month components of it were, we need to see new months, starting to come down. if we got some relief, on from the war, if the war didn't get worse, and if we start to resolve some of the supply chain issues,. then over the coming months, at least new months would
start coming down, you have seen world price of oil fall almost 25% from its peak. that is at least a start. but, this is not on a political time table, that is what i keep saying to my friends in the biden administration, it upsets them, they want to know what can we do before november, you can't do anything, this is not on a political time table it san economic all-time table. trey: whatever the time table, i would love to have you back, thank you. >> any time. trey: thank you for joining us. >> up next, what does a country do when the citizens don't really like either of the leading candidates? let's ask two people who different political views, next on "sunday night in america." in three seconds, janice will win a speedboat. bingo! i'm moving to the lake... gotta sell the house. ooh! that's a lot of work. ooh! don't worry.
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trey: welcome back to "sunday night in america," over the course of my lifetime only two presidents have received more than 60% of the popular vote. i was two years old when johnson won in 1964 with more 60 of the vote, and 8 years old in 1972 when richard nixon did the same, one opt the to not run for reelection, and other resigned before he was impeached. 6 out of 10 is mediocre with free throws or a pop quiz, up heard of when it comes to getting americans to vote for a presidential candidate. i found 5 presidents with
less than 50% of the vote. i am not sure what kind of mandate you can claim when barely half the voters want you, that is where we've been politically during my lifetime, things don't seem to be changes, donald trump won the presidency in 2016, and joe biden in 2020, most american voters according to polls do not want a repeat of the 2020 race. if nominating conventions were held tomorrow, my guess is both men would be nominated by their respective parties. those who did win struggle to get to 50% in approval poles once in office. president biden is struggling to stay at 30%. in public approval numbers, 30% approval is abysmal it
is nearly double how public feels about congress. what does there is a about the current state of our politics? a majority of americans down want either of the front runners to run if they do run, whoever prevails will barely eclipse 50% then struggle to stay there, what would it take to find a candidate who could get sick-out -- 6 out of 10 votes, will we ever see a for presidency a mandate to govern? we're just confined to presidents who barely get half of the votes. overwhelming majority of our fellow citizens believe the country is headed in the wrong direction. a shocking number of americans believe violence may be justified as it relates on our politics.
i am sure many americans' a fresh start with new and different candidates. yet we appear likely headed right back to the past. exceptional country should have exception at leaders. joining us now jessica and guy benson. i'll ask you the same question. first practical and second. we start with you jessica, who do you expect nominees to be in 2024, what does that say about current state of politics that most voters down want either of last two presidents to run again. >> my expectation is that president biden will be the
nominee for the democrats, this is a conversation often happens heading to midterms, i was looking back at old headlines about barack obama, i think we can all agree was more popular than president biden, i thought similar heading to get out of the way for sake of the party, his approval hit lowest 37-38 in gallup in august of 2011 into the 2012 midterm, i expect biden for my party. on the g.o.p. side, i do not expect it to be donald trump, i know high talked about running. but i expect to be someone else, he holds too much baggage to get out of a nominating of contest, you look at rise of ron desantis or someone like ron desantis, i think that makes more sense for the republican side. trey: how about you guy?
>> my guess is that someone who is either the current president or current vice president will be the nominee for the democrats, i am not sure if joe biden has it in him to run again. i think they have to go through the motions they are going to seek reelection because they don't want to be a lame duck this early, i think resting it from him if he wants to be nominee from him, it is hard if not him, vice president is first woman of color in that position, it would be difficult in party that is fixated on identity politics that take from this her. on the republican side, i agree if nominating process started tomorrow, overwhelming favorite on republican side would be donald trump. i do not think that is inevitable, i think that ron desantis would have a good show the but i think that trump is in the driver
seat. trey: we ask questions detached from reality, i mentioned two presidents in my lifetime got above 5 5% of the popular vote, my point. is will we see a president with a mandate 45 seconds, guy. i know you will save time for jessica. >> i am not sure we'll see someone win with 60-plus percent of the popular vote any time soon, we're in an extremely polarized country, the things that are required to win a party's nomination, make it hard, for someone to have the capacity to command 60% of a popular vote, maybe that is cynical, but in this moment in time i believe it's true. trey: i love cynicism. jessica? >> most of all appreciate how speedy guy was. i'll try to be peppy.
i agree with him. i think with how polarized everything has become, you look at crowd of primary fielding say nominate the boring one. so, i tend is to agree you know, our betterselves or ourselves thinking ahead to general election often don't show up in primaries. that is why we end up with candidates who are more polarized. >> if we kept calling yourselves the united states of america, i would love to find something that we're at least 60% united it. thank you so much for how kind you were to one another and thank you for joining us on sunday night. >> thank you, trey. >> thank you, trey. trey: still ahead, there is a brand-new district
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others injured after a shooting. greenspan wood park mall near indianapolis, witnesses reported hearing as many as 20 gun shots, police say that shooter is dead, had the to foxnews.com for latest updates on the traumatic -- tragic breaking news? welcome back to "sunday night in america." brooke jenkins was a prosecutor in san francisco district attorney office and disagreed with her so-called progressive prosecutor boss. chesa boudin, so she quit. he was too liberal even for san francisco, and brooke jenkins was picked by the mayor to be the new district attorney. what has she done, what is next. joining us now, former l.a. county district attorney steve cooling. thank you for joining us. do we know why or what
caused brooke jenkins to quit when chesa boudin was her bot? boss. >> well probably chesa boudin and his radical policies, serving the state of california, good citizens of the san francisco county, that is reason enough to quit him. trey: i am asking you, southern california is different from south carolina and texas, what is a reasonable expectation for a new district attorney look the one in san francisco, i would exper her to not be as conservative as district attorneys in texas or south carolina. >> she will be end the nightmare of chesa boudin by reversing his policies and rescinding many of them, taking her oath and abuoying
obeying law of southern california, something that chesa boudin and george gascon and others here are not willing to do. trey: you know mr. district attorney, i tell people all of the time, anyone in the world ken force laws they a-- can enforce laws they agree with. that is why you take an oath to enforce laws that you might not have written that way, how do you think she started off? has she made any changes from the way he ran the office? >> she started off with the right foot by firing 15 of the boudin hires, next step, she should rehire others like her, who had the courage to leave the boudin office and fit against them, she needs a good staff who think like she does and will execute her well, so she can
prove herself and prove to the citizens of san francisco county, that they are better off with the district attorney that follows the law. trey: all right mr. district attorney, which of the old policies, chesa boudin's policies, there are a lot to pick from. what are policies that you think got him recalled even in a liberal stay like san francisco? what -- was it one or a lifetime achievement award for various things he was doing? >> oh, i did just about everything wrong with being a district attorney. in terms of seeking appropriate sentences assuring that appropriate bail you were the law is assured. so that really bad people can do not get out to repeat their crimes, which common, we don't have an effective bail policy across the
board, he was a failure, a petri dish for george soros type ideas, left wing ideology, and he failed. hopefully the same will happen in already los angeles county which is 10 times larger than san francisco. he made a mess of los angeles county. trey: i was surprise hide is still around, is there a recall movement, is there a movement afoot to not experiment with this so-called progressive prosecutor who is a criminal defense attorney, will he be recalled? >> well, that is anyone's guess. if there was a recall election, he would be recalled. it wouldn't be close it would be a slaughter, not just a landslide, but a mega-landslide, that is the public sentiment. the question is will 717
thousand signatures that were submitted be enough to cause him to be placed on the recall ballot where 566 thousand ballot signatures are needed that is a big question. there is a recall, election set, gas -- d.a. george gascon is a dead man walking. >> thank you, mr. district attorney, we would love to have you on, especially after there is a new da in l.a. county. >> any time. trey: up next, space in the news again, what can we learn from this thing we call space? theoretical physicist weighs theoretical physicist weighs in next ♪♪ is this where your grandparents cut a rug, with a jitterbug? or returned from war, dreaming of the possibilities ahead.
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should be noticing? >> well, those cool colors, disguise the fact you are looking at a spectacular set of photographs that go back to when universe was a child, is a telescope, 100 times more powerful than hubble, and it compensates for the blind spot of the hubble. that could dust clouds obscured from views of the hubble, the webb is see right threw that, we're talking about eliminating the blind spot, seeing the life history of stars as they are formed and mature and die. trey: all right, i tell you what makings my head hurt, i'm fascinated by the cont concept of time,
you say birth of universe, to me it has to be order now, middle age, how can you see the infancy ofs universe? >> you see, light has a few a finite velocity. the webb telescope with like a time machine, we look back to when the universe was a baby. so when children ask the question, mommy, where is the oldest star, the farthest? we're beginning to closing in on that. you see the pictures, you are looking at some of the earliest stars right after the big bang itself. >> all right. i'm taking a wild guess, in washington they talk about
how much things cost. what i hear you saying is that whatever we invested in this new telescope is worth it? >> that is right, the 10 billion dollar we invested in the telescope is worth it because, it reveals our role in the universe. when you look at night sky at night, you are overwhelmed by billions of stars you see. and you wonder, what is out there? what does it mean? what is our role in this thing? how to we fit in the larger cosmic scheme of things? what is what the webb and hubble can reveal, all science books are being rewritten now, as we en corporate the photographs of stars as a are born, mature and die, and now we look at life history of the universe itself, this is amazing. trey: this is a tough question, when you see
pictures from this telescope from space, does it makure more or less confident there life somewheres else. >> the picture that president biden showed you could see almost a trillion stars in that photograph. and to think that we're the only game in town, to think we humans are the only game town to have intelligence is an economiageration -- exaggeration, i think they're out there, science is only 300 years. the universe is 13.8 billion jeers old. more than enough time for civilizations to and even fall. >> i love having you on, you take the most complex subject matter and
disstill it down to where even i can almost understand it, dr. kaku thank you. >> my pleasure. trey: coming up professional golf instructor michael bree joining us on "sunday night in america" to break down the oldest welcome to allstate where the safer you drive, the more you save like rachel here how am i looking? the most cautious driver we got am i there? looking good (phone chimes) safe driving and drivewise saves you 40% with allstate hi! need new glasses? get 50% off a complete pair at visionworks! how can you see me squinting? i can't! i'm just telling everyone! hey! for a limited time, get 50% off for back to school. visionworks. see the differenc.
cameron smith is winner of the world championship. surge past rory mcilroy for his first major championship. he also won player's championship in march. whether you like golf or not it hard to not be mesmerized by open championship at st. andrews. our next guest is better at golf and knows more about it, michael breed. >> i think, you look great, this guy is only guy i know on plan wet better hair than you. what did i think? i thought it was mesmerizing you think about -- i think about great rounds of 30 on the back 9, i go right to 1986. and jack nicklaus at a masters this one today, where he birdies first five holes, on his inward 9, then
the last hole with a great two-putt. it is hard to not be impressed by cam smith. i know, maybe absent of you, probably the best putter that i have seen. >> i am under the care of a therapist right now because of my putting. you mentioned jack nicklaus, in the week there is a picture of jack and tiger on the bridge. i got emotional, i don't know that we're ever go ing to see two greatest golfers who ever walked together in an open championship again. i know you love the game, it had to be emotional for you too. >> no question, one thing that made it a little less emotional, is that tiger woods is standing on jack nicklaus' foot that made my laugh, i looked at that, i
said, i think he is standing on jack's foot, he was, that entire experience that we were treated to with tiger on thursday and friday. was emotional, but, past even that picture of those two gentleman on the bridge, watching tiger go across the wilkin bridge and continue up the fairway on home hole at home of golf was amazing, i can not believe i have watched this career that we have watched and seen him overcome things he has cover come. and the question that kept resonating in my mind is that, is this tiger woods' telling us that he just can't overcome this situation he has with his leg? i don't know that we're ever going to see him truly compete in a major championship again. i think he will compete, but i don't know he will be truly competitive in a mayor
championship again. trey: all right, michael, let me ask you a tough question, when of the older golf courses particularly in scotland, they need weather to defend themselves, if you don't have a lot of wind and rain, has technology in the skill of players, is it jeopardizing some of the great old courses like st. andrews? >> you know, it is interesting. if you think about what st. andrews was designed. you go back hundreds of years, you start thinking about the equipment that was used back then. and the guty ball, that ball, the feathery, almost looked like a baseball with no dimples, i believe that technology has come a long way and i do think they are hitting different clubs into the greens burkat same time -- but, at the same time the game of golf is pure, you manage yourself, you call the rules on yourself, and truth be told, still the
same game, the game to me is who shoots lowest score, i don't care if it's 20 under par or 20 over par, it still who shoots lowest score, that is the beauty of the game of golf, the test of the fortitude that golfers stan over, and individuals stand over a shot it can you make it or not? i don't think that will ever change. no, i don't think so, i think that we need to keep going back to this place to country club, and i think that you know, what in 5 years, when we go back to the old course, and weather is a little bit different, i think the scoring will be different. trey: all right, michael breed, majors are over, in say really important golf tournament in august in south carolina. and i need you there for that golf tournament. preferably as my partner, thank you for everything you do, i love
listening you to and watching you, thank you for everything you have done to grow the game. >> i can't wait until august. trey: i need shots. thank you, for joining us, good night from south carolina, "life, liberty and levin" is next >> i am shannon bream. president biden back from his trip from the middle east in the leading exporter of oil. ♪♪ >> i'm doing all i can to increase the supply for the united states of america. >> the president asserting the overseas visit was all about reasserting his nest in the region but getting slammed with that fist bump with the saudi prince while america still faces high gas prices