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visit today. >> neil: scott brown 59 minutes away from being sworn n stocks selling off, way off. the dow in and out of 10,000 levels it hasn't seen since last fall, careening more than 270 points. man oh monday it doesn't get whackier than this day. the man who said he came to shake up washington, finding he's about to become a senator pretty much business at usual in washington. item one, the president meeting behind closed doors with democrats on healthcare. two, democrats working on even more generous exemptions for unions to shield them from the cadillac tax on healthcare. three, at least 120 democrats signing a letter to keep the
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public option at all costs in healthcare. then of course this selloff, well, what to make of all this? with us, one of the democrats looking at the options, pennsylvania congressman -- >> neil. >> are we in a death swoon or what? >> i think we haven't blame the newly elected senator for the stock market falling. >> neil: i don't think i did that. what i did blame is on is maybe -- >> no. >> neil: no, you guys are out of control. >> no i wasn't saying you were blaming the senator. i was saying in this town, you can get blamed for things you're not responsible for. but we welcome him and i'm glad he's being sworn in and we can get back to the business of moving our nation forward. it's true that the day we passed the pay go rule in the house, pay as you go on federal debt. if you want to add a new program you have to cut somewhere else.
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everybody in the viewing audience of fox would appreciate pay go rule. it helped us balance the budget went -- >> neil: why isn't wall street happy? i mean as you probably heard, con man, moody's folks essentially warned the united states to keep spending like this, we could have our debt downgraded, a fancy way of saying we could be in a heap of trouble. >> i think we know why wall street is down. that's on the at the time of portugal an other countries in the international bond market. >> neil: it's on our debt too but continue. >> no, our debt is a significant issue and that's why we passed the pay go rule, next week i'll introduce legislation directly to the debt. when president obama was sworn in we had $10 trillion plus in debt and projected deficits of 8 trillion-dollar to go. we have to deal with it, both
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parts are somalian and fox and your show in particular, you're right to keep our feet to the. >> neil: the only thing that worries me -- you're big on the pay go thing, a way to pay for programs either through spending cuts or tax increases or whatever but wall street is not convinced. they're not always right and the market doesn't always reflect reality but there's increasing view that the world cumulativelily, our country included, is digging a hole and with the scott brown swearing in today, no someone is listening to what massachusetts voters said and what the ratings guys are saying about what world governments are doing. it's like you're whistling in the graveyard. are you? >> i'm listening. tuesday i hope to talk to you. i'll be introducing a brand-new approach to dealing with the debt and our national debt in a way that would be responsible.
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we as adults have to be -- >> neil: you're right to criticize the prior years of spending but you're doubling down, digging in even deeper. >> no, but you have to recognize improvements when they happen. it's important. this president at least put the war funding on budget. >> neil: then are -- where is the spending and cutting? >> that's why the president is in favor of the debt commission he's going to set up by executive order. he wanted to set it up statutorily so we would have to deal with the real challenges of the budget, which are in entitlements and mandatory spending. >> neil: why do you need a debt commission to tell you what we know. it just addresses a small fraction of the budget. go full throttle in. >> because when we talk about cutting spending, would you cut expenses for the military? would you cut --
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>> neil: yes, i would. everything and everyone is fair game. unless you send that message, congressman, you're going to be in deep doo doo. >> i hope you remember what you said tuesday when i introduce my bill. everything should be in it and across the board. >> neil: when -- next tuesday, is everything going to be in? >> i'm all for legislation that deals with the debt. i know it's a real concern -- >> neil: is everything going to be in it? >> this is not just a tv moment. i'll have a program to deal with the program. >> neil: so everything will be in. >> everything in, neil. >> i'm looking forward to it as you do all your visits. thank you. >> fair and balanced, republican who says democrats are looking dumber and all the more surprising giving the guy she campaigned to become a senator is 54 minutes away from being a senator. >> i'm not happy.
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we're sending a message by the massachusetts electorate sending scott brown to the senate as the 44th -- 41st vote against healthcare. we've been sending a message for almost a year now as the head of the rhode island tea party. we have a very active organization and we've protested and spoken with federal delegates and the message just does not come through. >> neil: it doesn't come through for republicans either. >> absolutely. >> they had a chance to cut things and they don't. what i say is would you and do you think that republicans should say that they will to what they say they will do and that everything is fair game and that if they're going to criticize the president on cutting only nondiscretionary budgets, everything is ripe for cutting in the budget? >> absolutely. they are just as much in our targets as the democrats.
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it's not about republicans and democrats anymore. it's about our federally elected officials in state elected officials listening to the people. and that's not what's going on these days. they seem to be living in a vacuum where they're either ignoring us or willfully -- they're in denial of some sort. >> neil: but when you have -- i know you campaigned hard to see him become a senator, which he will. he's not your garden variety tea partyer. a proponent of the state healthcare that became romney care in massachusetts. so is he pea -- tea partyer's cup of tea? >> he's a dream candidate in terms of conservatives in massachusetts. we're talked about the most liberal state in the country. so you can't get much better than that. >> neil: you can't get much better than that in
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massachusetts but you're saying generally, what he campaigned on and for, might not register nationally? >> you know, every state is different. so in rhode island, i think his message is going to resonate quite clearly. there will be a similar theme come election time. his message may not be exactly what needs to be said in other parts of the country. but he really didn't focus on the fiscal issues, the healthcare issues. that's something that all americans care about. they don't care about all of this horse trading that's going on. people just want jobs. they don't want their houses foreclosed upon. it's all about the economy and that's what his focus was on for the -- that's why he won. >> neil: all right. that's the why he's going to become a senator in 51 minutes. that's right. >> stimulus, 2009. jobs. if stimulus bills won't get them, perhaps rebranding them as jobs bill will.
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rant paul, like his dad, ron paul, not convinced. what do you think about the rebranding? >> the whole thing is government can't create jobs, only businesses can. government is like filling the swimming pool by scooping is out of the deep end and pouring it into the shallow. when they did the last stimulus bill, if you don't count the jobs saved but only jobs created, it was $413,000 per job. entrepreneurs create jobs, businessmen and women. we need to get government out of the way. >> neil: you're leading in the polls in kentucky and running as a republican. but you do carry your dad's libertarian streak and to that libertarian streak i want to talk about what happened on wall street today in and out of 10 thousands. we dipped below for the first time since around thanksgiving i wonder whether the markets are
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saying a pox on both parties and washington in general, you don't realize how bad the deficits and piling them on and the debt and raising the death ceiling to dodge a spending bullet, that it's getting dangerous. >> ithey're talking about pay as you go. how many times has congress in the past done pay as you go and three month later violate their rules. the market are marketed doesn't believe they'll follow through. senator demint introduced a balanced budget. i say if you don't have a balanced budget amendment i don't think you can -- can you imagine the signal we would send to the marketplace if we were forced to balance the budget i by law? we have to in kentucky. i say take that to washington. >> that would mean keep it a balanced budget year in and year out. if that comes to fruition, we
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would still have debt as a result of the piled on deficit. how could you deal with that? >> it would be a problem but better than adding nearly 2 trillion-dollar. we just raised the debt ceiling $1.9 trillion. what i fear is the new debt being added could become unmanageable and we could destroy our curran i.d. i think we have to do something dramatic and obama is playing a card game in the sense he's going to lock in spending freezes on discretionary spending but locking them in after increasing them dramatically. that's a mistake. you have to look at the budget across the board and it's going to take a national candidate who runs on a platform that says look at everything across the board is the only way to balance the budget. >> that's right. everything is fair game. very good having you. >> thank you. >> you have been notices the big
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board, this is the minus sign on the board. we lost 3% of the market value, down 268 and a third points. today it's significant in that a lot of lenders are getting increasingly leery of the united states position -- we owe more than we're taking in. the folks at moody's are saying we keep this up, guys, we're going to have to downgrade you. aaa credit rating, that might be compromised which could be a devil of a problem for us. how do you track capital when the global community says you're a joke? we're going to look at that. in the meantime, we couldn't get the white house gardner but we got the pay czar. there's a bigger situation in jersey. one that washington should be watching. >> we do our fist pump. we start off banging in the ground, the beet is hitting us
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>> i'm just trying to hook up. >> the jersey shore isn't enough to make new jerseyians take a hike on the turnpike, something the muscle headed legislators are doing will do the trick. they are leaving in droves. there's a new report out that shows the garden state is losing $70 billion. that's just between 2004 and 2008 as rich people move out or kill themselves. they didn't kill themselves but apparently moved out. the reason, high taxes. that's on the heels of the white house reliefs ago budget full of tax hikes on the enrichment president scott hodge says
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washington might want to look at jersey. >> new jersey is the microcosm for what's going to happen in washington when we tax the rich too much. they're sensitive to high taxes and i should mention the same study in new jersey showed new york lost $123 billion in wealth that moved out of the state after it tried to tax -- >> neil: are do these people do go? >> low tax areas, florida or nevada. there was a story today in one of the news stories about a guy who sold his company and before he cashed out stock options, moved from new jersey to nevada and saved himself $6 million of taxes off the bat. >> neil: a lot of people can't do that. if you work and all that, it's a hell of a commute if you work in the city and live in new jersey and move to nevada. you can't do that every day.
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so -- >> salaried employees can't but -- >> my point is, what are people doing to get around this? >> they start changing their behavior. they take stock options early as we saw michael eisner do before the clinton tax hikes, he cashed out $200 million much stocks option the year before an zero the year after. or we see people change their behavior and start planning. they turn stocks into tax-free municipal bonds to live off that. we see the impact on entrepreneurship. the tax hike lowered it 20%. >> we did see a boom in economic activity. a lot of that had to do with the market boom. >> the tech bubble. >> you're right. it later collapsed in 2000. people forget that part. what do you think happens now,
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especially in the states that are raising taxes on the rich and making it tougher for them to hide? what happens? >> like in mayor maryland, a number of taxpayers filed by millionaires and it fell 30%, costing $100 million in lost tax. those people moved out of the state to lower tax virginia or maybe florida but they probably changed their business activities or income streams to avoid high tax rates. we have to recognize high income people have a lot of people working for them just to minimize their tax burden. so they're going to find creative ways to avoid the tax man. as we've seen in all states, we'll probably see it at the federal level. these people are beginning to plan to arrange their affairs. >> i can see them all with their computers at an amish farm.
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that's a whole other think. >> they're hiking, you're paying. not taxes, something else washington is fooling with that could send your car payments and all your payments soaring. if you saw this on "fox business," you saw it and couldn't leave it. if you don't have "fox business" did do. >> demand it. >> you're about to see it. the interview that was all the buzz is about to be all the buzz again. upbeat rock. ♪ singer: hello hello hello can anybody hear me? ♪
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>> neil: wouldn't it be great if we had a congress short
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time ago said we can't raise the visa bill so we'll raise the visa credit card line? congress approved rating all of ours. to be safe, while they're safely spending away they raised it by at $1.9 trillion. to bring the total credit line, debt limit, to whopping $14.3 trillion smackers. the vote close, 219 to 212 in the house. eric bolling says the message is clear and might have something to do with the minus sign in the corner of your screen. they haven't a clue. eric? >> neil, talk about it for a second. moody's said they may downgrade debt. it gots a little wonky. but if they downgrade it, it means we'll pay more to have china finance our borrowing. they hald $1 trillion. >> neil: if it happens. if it happens. >> if it happens.
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say it doesn't happen and interest rates stay low, in 2009 we paid $283 billion just on interest to the debt we owe the world. this year is expected to be in excess of $500 billion. if we keep going the way we're going and down get downgraded and keep spending, it's like whatever. >> neil: people forget that. doesn't nothing doesn't mean the costs get cheaper. >> with the token freeze talking about the $17 or $20 billion freeze on spending, the non-defense discretionary spending is a drop in the bucket. >> neil: even if you curb the deficit a little bit year in and year out, whatever spending is piling on the debt. >> the clock keeps ticking. the debt clock you put upkeeps going but at a lower rate if you cut back. we still keep on adding to the debt. estimate is $21 trillion ten years down. it becomes more and more expensive.
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>> neil: this is a global phenomena. >> great point. >> neil: the u.s. might benefit here because we might stink but they stink more. >> they stai stink a lot more. what rally today? not the stock market, the $. the dollar rallied because we stink but other countries stink worse. >> neil: that's why they say they're cocky about this, because you know, we're bad but they're worse. >> that is the quirky thing today. the warning of the downgraded u.s. debt. everyone said okay, i get it but if you downgrade the u.s. debt imagine the debt in greece and in spain, and in europe, in asia. the other international banks are down 8, 9, 10%. >> neil: people look at this like we are in school, professors grading on a curve can. it doesn't negate that everyone performed lousy on the test. >> everyone performed lousy but we're the best of -- we got a d-minus instead of an "f". >> neil: that was my career. eric bolling, stars of fbn.
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if you are not getting -- >> demand it! >> the timing is way off. >> it's the fist-pumping. >> neil: nailing it. after this this ain't no doll and if you're rich, he ain't no friend. unlike the barbie pal with no clout, this guy has the plenty of clout. plenty to say. pay czar is next. i've been growing algae for 35 years. most people try to get rid of algae, and we're trying to grow it. the algae are very beautiful. they come in blue or red, golden, green. algae could be converted into biofuels... that we could someday run our cars on. in using algae to form biofuels, we're not competing with the food supply. and they absorb co2, so they help solve the greenhouse problem, as well. we're making a big commitment to finding out... just how much algae can help to meet... the fuel demands of the world. over a million people have discovered how easy it is to use legalzoom for important legal documents.
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>> neil: you might heard once or twice some of the white house dismiss us and don't listen to us. then there are those who are honest and rise above the petty fray to talk to us. i'm not talking the gardener, the czar, the pay czar. who could have gone on any cable channel to talk business but chose instead to talk to me on fox business. for those of you who get fox business, the pay czar did not disappoint, especially taking on critics saying the bankers pulling down the fat pay packages are pulling a fast one on. thi they rolled you. you think they rolled you? >> absolutely not. understand the contracts that are being honored occurred years ago before the top law was implemented. not on our watch. these are valid binding contracts. what i'm trying to do frankly with the help of aig is get
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as much of that money back as we can. also make sure that the $45 million that this unit orally pledged to pay back the taxpayer is paid back. >> neil: how much is that? $39 million? >> $39 million of the $49 million orally pledged last year has been repaid. >> neil: there is disputes on that, that it isn't $39 million. that they're overstating. >> $45 million was the total that was pledged. $19 million was delivered about six months ago. $20 million as a result of this negotiation and $7 million to go. it will be collected. >> neil: i know you talk about the contracts written, didn't want to break up the contract with that. legally you can't and you're a good lawyer. the firm wouldn't even be in position to make good on the contracts if the taxpayers didn't intervene in the first
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place. doesn't it in a sense via the taxpayer default make the contract null and void? >> now you're a lawyer. the aig lawyers tell me it's valid, the employees tell me it's valid, the federal reserve tells me it's valid, the office of financial state tell me it's valid a. >> neil: does the president tell you it's valid? >> i don't speak to the president about this. >> neil: really? never came up? >> never, ever. >> neil: when is the last time you talked to him? >> never spoken to the president about this. never. anybody at the white house. anybody at the white house. the contracts -- i'm trying to deal with a problem to maximize the money that can back to the taxpayer. far from being out maneuvered i'd say with all due respect to senator grassly who i have great respect for, we are trying to maximize getting the dollars back, not paying out aig financial products people. >> neil: but did you look at
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not rewarding or finding a way around rewarding it? the money is going back to the very folks as you know, sir, who got the company in the pickle it eventually landed in. >> under the law i'm administering i'll do what i can in 2010 compensation, where i do have jurisdiction, to try and make sure that the retention payments are taken in account when i set perspective pay in 2010. i'm not prepared to challenge valid contracts enter into years ago. >> neil: still, mr. feinberg people look at this and say if this is a preview of coming salary or contract arbitration attraction, the other side has you. >> look, i'm angry about this. the fact of the matter is this is the end of the retention contract problem. these contracts were entered into in 2007 before they
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there was a law implemented. we're trying to deal with a problem we confront. i don't see how that is being out maneuvered. i'll get as much of the money back as we can get back. >> neil: do you ever have a figure in your mind what denotes or accepted competition, million, two million, i know these are simplistic figure. in the back of your mind no matter how well someone is doing, it's obscenobscene. >> what i said publicly in my paid determinations nobody should receive more than bass cash salary of $500,000 maximum there. may be exceptions in certain cases but that is the figure that is the benchmark. then if you want additional compensation beyond that, that's all right. it may be earned but it will be earned in the form of stock which you will receive as executive in the top 25 of
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each of the companies. and you can't redeem the stock for two or three or four or five years. that way your overall compensation is going to be tied to the future fortunes of the company you work for. and your performance and its performance is joined at the hip. that's the way it should be. >> neil: i see the salary figure, mr. feinberg but now we are looking at a lot of the guys say bonus is tens of millions of dollars. whether they accept it in one year or in stock or accrued, what have you, it adds up over many years to $$100 million or more. >> absolutely not. >> neil: does that stop? that is the case for a lot of guys now. >> i don't think it is the case. maybe you have facts i'm not aware of. >> neil: we had a commodity trader at citigroup with $100 million contract written off on. not by you but saying it was
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okay. go ahead. >> please. the $100 million at citigroup was never signed off by me or treasury. citigroup rather than present that syringe to me sold the unit including that individual. >> this is what we come back to. whether the guys have ways to go around you as senator grassly said to roll you. >> i don't understand. if they sell your company and not under my jurisdiction, they're not subject to my jurisdiction. i can't be out there under the llaw, i can't be reviewing every compensation package. i know of no a.i.g. individual with a ten-year retention contract. none. i know of no aig individual who if they are in the top 25 for 20 so i assure you i will be looking at the total
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compensation package. >> neil: would there be a number that you would immediately say whoa, whoa, whoa? >> i have to look at the submissions and see what the number is they're proposing and why. i can't prejudge this. i've just received the data for 2010. i'm confident that unlike the retention payments not on my watch and i'm trying -- >> neil: understood. >> all right? when it comes to pprospective compensation in 2010 for the top 25 individuals at aig including some in the financial products division, that is on my watch. >> neil: excuse my ignorance. is it still under your purview when they return all the tarp dough -- >> no. >> neil: so, so -- that's my point.
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that incideentivizes to return the money fast so you don't breathe down their you know what. >> it sure does. that's fine with me. if aig or any company is able to repay every dime it borrowed from the taxpayers, exiting my supervision, it's the primary objective. i said it before and say it again that's what we are trying to accomplish. >> neil: i know you are not revealing the figures that you use in your head but is it fair to say that any ten times the base salary level have to be justified. if it's ten times that, $5 million, you really have to joustfy it? >> look, you have to justfy any total compensation package. i'll look at the data they submit and compare it to other data in the marketplace and try to come up with a fair and reasonable and appropriate calculation.
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>> neil: i know it's not your area but curious on your view because it's widely respected. do you think taxing anyone's bonus at 50% is excessiexcessiv? >> you are asking me? i haven't looked at the issue. >> neil: what do you think of that? >> depending on the amount of the bonus i have no problem with the idea that banking institutions that relied on the american taxpayers to get out from under the financial difficulty in owe it to give back to the american taxpayers healthy part of their check, yes. i think it's okay. >> neil: you don't think this is the president's way of reengineering the workforce away from finance? you're just wasting your time, kids, to other more friendly fields?
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>> you have to ask the white house administration. i have enough problems dealing with seven companies. now five without opining on the rest of the menu of initiatives out there. >> neil: do you worry about where the initiatives pick up? >> i worry about excessive pay. that's what i worry about these days. >> neil: all right. ken feinberg, been a pleasure talking to you. thank you very much. all right. think about that. top administration guy who went to fox, fox business, more to the point first. pretty much his own man. and that is something about ken feinberg the pay czar. who by the way doesn't like to be called czar. which was fine. we called him mr. feinberg. think about that. all right. when we come backstop running, start eating. the real skinny on jogging that has the fit in aan snit and me in the fridge.
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>> neil: all right, i'm not saying fat is where it's at
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but that does not mean he who runs has tighter buns either. there is a study out today confirms that what i long feared. all you joggers are running in circles, it ain't helping you much at all. which is a fit jennifer agilarti had to hear to have the if it and get her jogging to the studio. don't you dare! jennifer is a trainer on exercise tv. she is so fit it will scare you. a study, one out of five those exercising like thieves got nada from it. >> it don't know what to say. it makes me angry. it's another excuse for particularly americans to sit on the couch and not do anything. see, it's not going to help me. why should i exercise. >> you're sure sitting on the couch isn't exercise. >> thumbs don't count. legs and major body parts. >> neil: you heard this and your immediate thought was the study was bogus or there wasn't truth some people
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don't benefit? >> first, it's bogus. >> neil: me thinks you can't handle the truth. >> i can hand the truth. the benefit of exercise and the good it does would outweigh any small, that it doesn't do anything, because it's not just what they were saying. it's also mood. talked to everyone pack stage from your make-up person to your aanalysis about the and she's like i feel bet and happier when i exercise. >> that's the food i left -- >> it's not the canoli. >> you say you have to keep doing that and that is the endorfen that jazzes us. >> makes you happier person. >> neil: one out of five it's not happening. >> i'm not a scientist and i don't pretend to be one. maybe it's true but what does your logic tell you, honestly if you were to read this you'd go i'll stop exercisi exercising. >> neil: you say the automatic slam dunk yuber-benefits you might be
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misleading people. >> what about the studies that prove that exercise is better for your heart? i'm not talking about running a marathon. >> neil: you're right. there are other studies that say fat people aren't seeing their lives cut short anymore than those exercising line fiends. you may live to be 100 but fat people are too. it's startling that there isn't a dramatic difference. you think there would be, right? >> you know i just -- >> neil: believe me i'm not justifying it. >> yes. >> neil: you know me with exercise, you can't keep me away from it. i'm just saying that don't you think it's say something when push comes to shove there is not a dramatic difference in longevity. >> no, that i don't believe. >> neil: really? >> yes. i don't believe heavier people -- >> neil: people in your family live a long time? >> my grandmother is 90 in two weeks. >> neil: overweight? >> yes. >> neil: she is? >> yes. >> neil: a lot of bad food?
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s>> she doesn't drink and her food isn't the healthiest but the -- she has breathing problems. >> there are long line of people in my family hooked up to boxes of wine. they've done fine. half italian. i'm not justifying it. >> you are giving a genetic code and some things you maybe can't change. it will only help you. exercising not to the point you're injured and all this, but i don't see how it will be -- it's going to hurt you. my fear is people hear this and they won't -- >> we don't want them to do that. thank you for being here. >> i'll hand those over to you and put you on a treadmill with me. i'm going to the gym. >> that would be comical. good to see you again. look great as always. >> scott brown is about to become a senator. democrats aren't listening to
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>> all right. you are looking live on the set where in a few minutes scott brown is going to go from senator-lechsenator-elect senator. no sign of him re him reining i spending. but the next guest says that it's because of the democrats. not his own party. patrick ladell joining us. what do you make the way washington is conducting business since the brown election and on the day he'll be sworn in as a senator? >> insanely.
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i have no idea what they're thinking. they very panicked by his election. he got 60,000 for votes than john mccain did running for president. he was in a special election and the turn-out was significantly high and he won. they haven't figured it out. the bottom is dropping out for democrats in my party across the country. the revolt we're talking about is getting stronger and stronger from the american people. particularly over spending. what i'm realizing is that the party doesn't grasp that issue how important it is. >> neil: when i asked the pennsylvania democrat congressman saying you know, this is part of our hearing
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that message. i'm paraphrasing here. this is the type of spending that people like. i didn't discern lines of d degradati degradation. did you? >> no. that's one thing i was thinking. we're tone deaf to it. we spend money and people like it and we'll make gestures at it. people are bananas, pardon my expression over this, the spending of deficit of future.
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[brief technical difficulty] >> neil: you're a great historian and every great populist wave has been dismissed by the official media. >> yes. >> neil: whether the way they reacted to the tea party or everything else. almost con scending like this is just some upset whackos and not main stream. it doesn't have to be main stream to have real currency and real value. it wonder if they realize it too late. republican want to glom on to tea parties or democrats want to glom on to flavor of the moment. >> right. it may be too late.
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the republicans are finding that the tea party people shy away and they don't want to be taken over. what the argument here is and scott rasmussen has a new ess essay, which is important called the search for self-governance. it's about people want to govern themselves. both sides are trying to hold on and figure out how do we absorb the people, manipulate them, put them away. they're not going to go away but not for a long time. people feel the country is at stake. media is horrific in the treatment of the ordinary americans and they don't seem to get it. >> neil: that could be an understatement. good to see you. thank you. >> good to see you. >> the floor of the senate that is a few minutes away from scott brown becoming a united states senator taking over a seat that was safely
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