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bill shultz, you discussed me, jim norton, debonair. "special report," are rules of engagement in afghanistan put american troops at risk? we report you decide. the taliban top military commander has been captured. we'll tell you what that means. indiana democrats face a quandary following senator evan bayh's decision not to run again. we look at their options. plus another fox exclusive. james rose within another no-bid contract prompting another round of questions for administration. all that plus the fox all-stars right here, right now. welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. u.s. marines, afghan soldiers and nato troops are said to make progress against increasingly disorganized
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taliban resistance in southern afghanistan there. continues to be civilian casualties but that inspired rules of engagement that can put american lives in danger of the reporter connor powell explains. >> u.s. marines under fire in the southern afghan city of marjah. a joint marine and afghan patrol is assemblassembled. but in the maze of mud walls and buildings, it isn't easy. "we have been taking fire all afternoon and marines trying to figure out where they're coming from, but they won't return fire. >> this one diagonal rate here. catercorner. two of them. >> they locate the shooters who have dropped the weapons and taunt marines as they walk out of the building, melting away in the city. >> rules of the engagement
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and they know we can't fire on them. >> frustrating scenario that marines say they face every day. >> in your mind, common sense tells you i was just getting fired out from the compound and three males come out. we know it's them but we can't do anything about it. >> the terrific rules of engagement are necessity, u.s. commanders say, to limit civilian loss of life and prevent taliban from using the death as recruiting tool. but the rules don't always work. yesterday, errant u.s. airstrike killed 12. most civilians, not far from where the marines held their fire. protecting afghans while at the same time routing out insurgents is a balancing act the u.s. forces struggle with every day. one of the many challenges that the marines face as they move in marjah. in marjah, afghanistan, connor powell. >> bret: get more on the rules of engage fire department retired major general robert scales. general, thank you for joining us. i know you commanded soldiers in the field.
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in years an after you retired, you haven't been one to criticize commanders' decision in the field but this sounds strange as far as rules of engagement go in afghanistan. >> that's right. the rules of engagement and policy and procedure and bureaucracies used to implement them are number one complaint from soldiers and marines in the field, particularly the leaders like onous've seen, tar gents and lieutenants making the key decision. when you fight a war against the people, you have to balance risk to innocent zillians with the authority you -- innocent civilians with the authority you give young men and twoem make decisions but perhaps we've gone too far. in the american way of war, last thing you want to do is fight fair. you're to provide overwhelming force so the enemy doesn't have a chance.
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you can impede your ability to apply the overwhelming force. many of the commanders in afghanistan, many of them are my friends and i understand the difficulty in having to balance the risk to innocent civilians and the amount of authorities we give to the young men and women. from this clip; maybe it's time to to step back and rebalance so we can get it right. >> do you think it will happen? >> i think so. this has happened too often. is it bothering the lieutenants but time to step back and relook at the policy. lessen the friction that you get from the overrestrictive rules of engagement. >> >> general scales, thank you. >> thank you. >> bret: the taliban took another set-back today with news that the top military commander has been arrested.
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we have more. >> u.s. officials are calling baradar is significant figure in the afghan taliban, frequently leading day-to-day operations and someone with a lot of blood on his hands. officials say the capture is a severe blow to the group in near term. since he's known as tall been military commander his removal may affect operation in marjah, afghanistan, where coalition forces continue their offensive to enemy strong hold. the enemy has been lacking coordination. he was picked up in a secret joint pakistani raid. recent months, the u.s. officials made the case that the taliban threatened the stability of the government. while they are happy to talk about greater cooperation, spokesman robert gibbs did not want to get in detail about the capture. >> this involves sensitive intelligence matters.
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this involves the collection of intelligence. best to do it and not talk about it. >> former head of the c.i.a. bin laden unit says he has significant intelligence value. >> he's very important in the taliban. the overall military commander. he will be missed certainly. if the packs persuade him to talk he has good information for us. >> experts say he will be replaced and the war will go on, unless he gives up critical information about key taliban and al-qaeda leaders including perhaps whereabouts of bin laden. >> bret: that would be something. thank you. new york mayor bloomberg take on vice president joe biden over the security cost of a possible criminal trial for accused coconspirators of 9/11. he says the biden's figure may be exaggerated. the mayor today said his estimate is reasonable and no one in the administration has
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objected to it previously. bloomberg first supported but now opposes a plan to have the trial in new york. if outgoing indiana senator evan bayh wanted to make things interesting for democratic colleagues, mission accomplished. carl cameron reports on the fall-out from bayh's impending retirement. >> the american people are impatient and we want changes and we want them as quickly as possible. i think they can be done. but it will take new voice and leadership in washington, d.c. to get the job done. >> little known indiana democrat dippolito fell short of the petitions to get on the u.s. senate primary ballot so no candidate qualified for the may democratic primary to fill the seat of evan bayh who yesterday stunned the world saying he would not run for re-election. he was doing the rounds this morning and also took himself
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out of the running for the white house. >> i tried that before and fortunately i'm back on my medication now. >> you're ruling it out. no circumstances you'll run for democrat or republican in 2012? >> known whatsoever. >> now the replacement scramble. two-term blue dog democrat elsworth, progun, pro-life anti-gay marriage from the eighth congressional district is early in-state favorite. mayor of evansville, whiteapple has strong support at the white house. democrat state party officials now plan a june nominating convention to pick the candidate for the general election against the g.o.p. bayh held the seat for 12 years. he won it after retirement of republican senator dan coats, now the g.o.p. front-runner to retake the seat. aides say coats did submit the needed 4,500 petitions and will qualify for the g.o.p. primary ballot. four other republicans
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including former republican congressman hosstettaller are expected to compete in the primary. g.o.p. needs ten seats to recapture the senate majority. eight are already in their sights. arkansas, blanche lincoln is in trouble. nevada, harry reid is having a rough year. pennsylvania, party switcher arlen spectspector. north dakota leans republican already. colorado, interim senator bennett is vulnerable. illinois, that's the seat once held by barack obama. and delaware, joe biden's old seat. now as i understand open. republicans are defending four or five vulnerable seats of their own. they see five to maybe eight seats. they haven't figured out how to crack the ten mark but getting closer. >> bret: in indiana, what happened with dippilit snosh>> she told us on tape she had 4,500 and said to other reports but she dropped
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them off today a whopping 112. there was an honesty problem there maybe. >> bret: wow. >> okay. the republican national committee is meeting now with a group of tea party activists. what about that? >> 47 of them behind closed door and met for an hour. we're told that there were moments of applause they got together to agree to cooperate. there is attention. they feel they were not representing the conservative movement adequately. they went to stalk to michael steele. his aides say so far it's a frank exchange of ideas. lively and hope to be cooperative. a sign steele is trying to take advantage of the energy tea parparty. >> bret: thank you. barbara boxer is in tight races with three potential republican challengers.
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latest rasmussen report has her four points ahead of hewlett-packard ceo carly fiorina. the gap was ten in december. boxer is up four on tom campbell and leads state assemblyman chuck devore 47-42 which was also ten in november. new video tonight of the november day in 1963 when president john kennedy was killed. dallas teenager took these images of the president and his wife arriving on air force one. ward warren has donated the 8-millimeter fill tom the sixth floor museum at daily plaza. the president was shot about 45 minutes after this film was taken. the man who once ran for president is assaulted on an airplane. we'll explain. the current president takes up the fight for nuclear energy. rc
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>> bret: nuclear power is becoming popular with many democrats. president obama is pushing it with your money. $8 billion of it. senior white house correspondent reports on the latest move in the president's new embrace of a controversial power source. >> for president obama, nothing alarming act expanding or trying to expand domestic nuclear power. >> it wasn't a nuclear power plant and the alarms weren't like these in the 1979 movie "the china syndrome" a film that rocked the u.s. nuclear power industry. >> the movie receded by 12 days a cooling town of three mile island. it slammed the brake on power plant construction, something mr. obama is trying to change. >> to me, the growing energy need and prevent the worst consequences of climate change will need to increase
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the supply of nuclear power. that simple. >> the president awarded 8.3 billion in loan guarantee to backstop financing for two reactors in burke, georgia, first to break ground in 30 years. nuclear regulatory commission has to approve the $14 billion project, something that will takel in next year. it won't come on fully until 2017. 12 others are spending as the industry seeks $120 billion in federal loan guarantees, outstripping the $18 billion now available. the white house wants 36,000 more. >> we want to create jobs in the united states, important jobs but we can compete in global clean energy revolution. >> in 2008, they said the chance of a default on nuclear loan guarantee was 50%. environmentalists fear hundreds of billions in taxpayers exposure if plant
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construction takes off. >> we think the nuclear power should stand on its own after 50, 60 years and not be subsidized by taxpayers at a time families coast to coast are struggling to hang on their homes. >> the industry says it needs government help to generate new investment. >> these are simply loan guarantees that give the federal backstoping to the companies going into the capital markets. >> even if more plans are constructed, this persists. how will they store nuclear waste? it's stored on site now. safe for the time being but not long term. the obama administration only announced the problems of storage by appointing a blue ribbon commission. speaking of commissions he said two will cochair the debt and deficit reduction commission. one of many in the town. >> bret: major garrett, thank you. foreign demand for
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u.s. treasury securities fell by the largest amount on record in december. china reduced the holdings by $34 billion. that make jas pan the largest phone owner of security. stocks were up today. the most since last november. s&p 500 added 19 in the third. and nasdaq was up 30 2/3. the effort to get some climate change legislation passed took a hit today. score spore dent molly henneberg noticed they're losing valuable corporate muscle. >> the oil and gas company conoco-phillips is one of three companies bowing out of the u.s. climate action partnership or u.s. cap today. it's a group of businesses fighting for legislation to cap carbon emissions, known as cap and trade. conoco-phillips says it isn't opposed to the goal but said house climate legislation and senate proposals to date have disadvantaged the
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transportation sector and its consumers. -- >> reporter: also exiting the group heavy equipment manufacturer ca caterpillar and bp america. leading anti-cap and trade senator, jim inhof says the companies suspect cap and trade lost momentum in washington and says it's dead. >> when the ship sinks, the rats jump off. that's happening. >> say they that climate legislation in 2010 would preserve and create american jobs, secure the future and generate new investment in the global clean energy economy. president obama's climate change policy director tells fox the administration is still behind cap and trade. >> we can do it because we believe in science but also because it's right for the
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country. >> science has come under increasing scrutiny, including a key united nations 2007 panel report on climate change which won a nobel prize but has been found to include flawed science and mistakes. >> we look at the controversy surrounding the president's new envoy for muslim outreach. remember that promise about no-bid government contracts? we have another exampmpmpmp
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>> bret: israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu says his country is not planning a war with iran. president mahmoud ahmadinejad told reporters today that he believes israel or its allies are considering a military strike in the spring or summer.
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also today, iran's foreign minister said u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton's assertion that the military is taking over iran's government is a trick aimed at influencing other persian gulf nations. the u.s. military says the number of military soldiers in iraq dropped to the level since 2003. they're cracking down on shop and tailors selling military uniforms. insurgents in recent days disguised them in clothing to penetrate security barriers. haiti president says it will take three years to clear the rubble from last month's earthquake. rene preval admits he's still afraid to sleep under concrete in case another quake hits. there have been at least 54 aftershocks since january 12. a u.s. company with ties to top democrats won a very favorable contract to do work in haiti following the quake. james rosen reports it's
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another apparent example of a promise skirted by the obama administration. >> six days after haiti's massive earthquake, federal documents obtained by fox news show the u.s. agency for u.s. aid awarded a no-bid contract worth $99,725 for 11 days work to james whit associates, firm founded by president clinton fema director now a registered lobbyist. in return, witt associates provided initial assessment for the response in haiti. in-country advance team. republican congressman kirk written to the administrator shaw asking why witt got the no-bid treatment. >> there is half a dozen international non-government organizations that work in haiti that bring decades of experience with dozens of french language experts. this team that they picked does not have that record. i worry that only political
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connections got them this work. >> witt associates told fox news the firm was already in haiti drawing up disaster response plans for clinton global initiative pro bono when the quake struck and shaw sought out witf for help. kim said we want to help and said witt's offer wasn't in terms of a contract, yet witt got a contract. she december put disputed the nl and she responded and said -- i think with emergency situation, the call for no-bid contract might not be an issue. the help was needed immediately and this is how the process panned out. >> the way the u.s. a.i.d. approaching the contracting is one that has been looked over by the current director and they're focussing on accountability. and transparency. after fox news broke the
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story, they canceled another to-bid contract, to pay $25 million to legal work in afghanistan. >> bret: it sounds like something out of a movie but members of an elite hit team are responsible for high risk assassination of terrorist leader in dubai. find out in a web exclusive report by going to foxnews.com/specialreport to see that story story. we'll be back with the grapevine after this break.
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>> bret: and now some fresh pickings from the political grapevine. a government audit says the census bureau has already wasted millions of dollars in preparation for the 2010 head count and that could multiply unless the agency imposes tighter spending controls. the associated press states that the commerce department report found $3 million was spent on more than 10,000 census workers who were paid $300 apiece for training but quit or were let go before they could perform any work. another 5,000 people collected the same training payment and then worked for a single day or less. costing $1.5 million. employees also overbilled for travel costs. investigators approved of the census bureau 133-million-dollar
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advertising campaign, including that .5-million-dollar super bowl commercial. former republican presidential candidate mitt romney was involved in an altercation with a fellow passenger on air canada flight monday. a spokesman says mom any asked the -- romney seated in front of his wife to place his seat upright before takeoff quote: the plane returned to the gate and the passenger was taken into custody. the romneys have been in vancouver to watch the olympics. the managing director of chile's mint has been fired after it was discovered he sent thousands of coins into circulation with that country's name misspelled. the coins were issued in 2008 with crile spelled chiie. the error was not noticed until late last year. and finally, church leaders in britain are encouraging
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parishioners to go green during this easter season calling for a carbon fast for lent which starts tomorrow, ash wednesday. instead of giving up traditional vices like chocolate, bishops are urging people to spend a day without their cell phone or i pod. other suggestions include eating by candlelight and flushing the toilet less often to help save the planet from climate change. president obama has selected a new envoy to help him reach out to the worlds muslims but correspondent shannon breon reports there are questions about some comments rashad hussein may have made regarding terrorism. >> i wanted to introduce you to rashad hussein, our new special envoy. >> hello, everyone. >> rashad hussein the president's newest appointee is wasting no time getting to work as envoy to the islamic conference international group with the stated goal of preserving islamic social and economic values. >> as an accomplished lawyer and close and trusted member of my
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white house staff. >> despite the president's full backing, there is a controversy brewing over comments attributed to hussein. in november of 2004, an article appeared in the washington report on middle east affairs recounting a session at that year's muslim student association gathering in chicago. hussein, then a yale law student was quoted as saying the situation involving terrorist suspect dr. sammy was one of many quote politically motivated persecutions. he was being held in a federal penitentiary at the time and later pleaded guilty to conspiring to aid the palestinian jihad. a group classified by the u.s. as a foreign terror organization. hussein is also quoted as saying al-arian has been used to politically squash dissent. they later edited to delete the quote. she believes the change was made in february of 2009. shortly after hussein was named to be deputy associate council to the president. hanley does not recall who requested the change but says,
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quote: i kind of remember a telephone call i made to our web master, in which i said well, let's just take out the quotes since they have been attributed to the wrong speaker. but the woman who wrote that 2004 article, shereenkandil says she stands by the speech she says if i quote someone, it's because they said it a white house official who talked with hussein today says hussein did attend the 2004 event with plans to talk about civil rights in a post 9/11 world. but when it comes to the actual comments attributed to him, hussein has, quote, no recollection about whether or not he said them. bret? >> bret: okay, this is one to follow. shannon, thank you. the national highway safety traffic association has launched a probe into whether toyota has conducted recent vehicle recalls in a timely manner. toyota has recalled about 6 million vehicles in the u.s. for acceleration and braking problems. the company said today will idol production at plants in texas and kentucky to keep inventory
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>> rules of engagement. they know we can't fire upon them. know in your mind common sense tells you i was just getting fired at from this compound and i have three males come out, and we know it's them. we just can't do anything about it. >> bret: there are some real questions about the rules of engagement as the u.s. marines continue their offensive in marjah, afghanistan trying to confront the taliban in southern afghanistan. but as you just heard that marine talk about, when the taliban engages, they have to -- the marines can fire back when they see them with guns. but if they put down the guns, and they walk out, and they don't have guns, they can't engage. what about this? and what about how this is
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being -- could effect the battle on the ground in southern afghanistan? let's bring in our panel tonight. steve hayes, senior writer for "the weekly standard." a.b. stoddard associate editor of the hill. and we welcome jonah goalberg at large editor of the national review online. welcome to the panel. >> great to be here. >> bret: what do you think of this? it sounds strange. i talked to general scales about it he is concerned. >> i actually called around today because i thought it was kind of shocking, too. the one that shocked me the most was the 72 hours of observing a house before you can call in an air strike against it 72 hours is a very long time. can you watch the entire run of the sopranos in that amount of time. and at the same time i called quite a few people who used to be in special ops. the general sense is is that while there is attention there, you know, that you do need to have a restricted rule of engagement on this. i think -- i'm very much of a kill our enemies and see them driven before us kind of a guy. but at the same time, you know, this is a classic -- this is one
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of the necessities of counter insurgency. while i think it sounds too strict, one of the guys i talked to suggested that they would tighten up air strike rules of engagement but loosen up the ground rules of engagement. that seems reasonable to me. >> bret: because, a.b., the concerns have been casualties from general mcchrystal's point of view as he tries to population in afghanistan and tries to win back their support. >> right. the mission has changed. last year saw the most civilian casualties. and general mcchrystal's counter insurgency strategy shifts the burden of risk to our men and women in uniform away from the afghan population. the goal is to earn the hearts and minds and to try to come up with some kind of development there some kind of government there. it is an acknowledgment. and choosing counter insurgency. there is a debate about in this summer. vice president biden wanted to use counter terrorism strategies. with drone attacks, et cetera, the president chose general mcchrystal's strategy.
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and in choosing counter insurgency over the other method, you are acknowledging we are going to be there a long time. that we are going to take more casualties, and we are trying to -- we are increasing exposure in taliban territory. and we're going to take heavy losses that civilians used to take. it's because the goal is to earn the trust of the population. this san acknowledgment that we are going throb for years. >> bret: you know, steve, if the fatalities, u.s. fatalities start adding up from this battle, if you start seeing casualties and u.s. marines with a real intense fire fight and they have this restriction, there may be a big pushback quickly. >> i think there is no question there will be a big push back quickly. that's why i think it's important that you have people like stan mcchrystal and others get out and explain the strategy. look, this is part of the strategy of what we are doing in afghanistan. we are broadcasting and foreshadowing what we are going to do. we are telling the population, here is where we are going to come.
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here is how we are going to behave so they have a better appreciation of exactly what it is our soldiers are going to be doing. they are doing that on purpose. you almost have to to do something similar at home tell people this is why we are operating this way. a.b.'s summary of what exactly a counter insurgency strategy involves is a good one. it means the u.s. is assuming the burden of risk. something you will hear from anybody you talk to about this. on the one hand, it's hard to hear. it's hard to listen to because in a sense you are saying while these marines, we're okay putting them at risk. and it doesn't, of course, sound right. but, look, this is basically what happened in iraq. we know it worked there. we had a long debate about this as ab. points out. >> also the 30,000-foot level, there is a larger sort of messaging point that i think needs to be made which is one i think bush could have done better at. we are the only great power in really in the history of the world with the possible exception of great britain that actually puts its own troops in serious harm's way in order to defend and protect civilian
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lives this way. this is something that we should be bragging about and boasting about and take great pride in in the way we do war. that doesn't mean we should go too far and risk winning because not winning looks even worse than killing civilians. >> bret: speaking of bragging and boasting, there was a big taliban capture in pakistan. he is said to be the top taliban military commander. we don't have a picture there. the classic silhouette still. how big a deal is this, jonah? >> i think it's a huge deal. i think it's something that we should salute the obama administration for. i think that, you know, getting back to the rules of engagement thing that it highlights the importance of good intelligence gathering because if you don't have good intelligence gathering, you have to be much more bloody-minded and ruthless when it comes to the actual military engagement. >> bret: a.b.? >> i think the biggest headline out of that capture is that we are gaining trust with the pakistani government that they are not going to provide safe
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haven for the taliban and they can be a working partner and it's worth our efforts to partner with them. i think that's the most encouraging thing. >> bret: steve, the "new york times" said they knew about it on thursday, didn't report it because the white house said they wanted to develop the intelligence from this asset. >> we are accustomed from that kind of restraint from the "new york times," aren't we? look. i think the "new york times" actually did the right thing. hopefully we were able to squeeze a lot of information out of them and able to interrogate them in such a way that he was providing actionable intelligence quickly after his capture, something we didn't have with abdulmutallab, the christmas day bomber. >> bret: there is a little concern in that pakistanis are involved in the interrogation as well. have a long history of being tied to the taliban. so you are kind of irpt weaving this. >> i heard general in the isi, he basically said the problem with this is in the broader discussion going back to the rules of engagement and talking
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about badar is that you have a sense that the local populations think the taliban is going to be here for years and years and years. and we have announced that we are not going to be here for a long time. that's a problem that pervades both of these issues. >> bret: all right. we will look at the fall-out from the evan bayh where announcement and what the democrats are going to do around the country. politics three minutes a
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>> there is just too much brain dead pap. rather than focusing on the greater good and also strident ideology. the extremes of both parties have to be willing to accept compromises from time to time to make some progress because some progress for the american people is better than nothing. and all too often recently we have been getting nothing.
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>> bret: democratic senator evan bayh from indiana one day after announcing he will not seek reelection in 2010, talking about his decision-making process. in the meantime democrats were scram scrambling this little known democrat from bloomington, indiana tamyra d'ippolito, she needed 4500 signatures to get on the primary ballot. she said she had them. she said she had all the signatures, 500 in each indiana district. turns out at last count, before this show, she had 112. so, it will not be anyone on that ballot. and the democrats in indiana will pick in a convention in june the nominee. we're back with the panel. a.b., it was an interesting political development there what about the democrats scrambling in indiana? >> well, obviously the announcement by senator bayh was a real shocker. timing of it, democrats in indiana feel burned by the fact that he did it right before the primary filing date. they felt that was selfish. he has been feeling he has been
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lamenting the changes in the institution for a while. gave no indication when asked to reassure the leadership to senate majority leader harry rird that he would reid that he would run for reelection that was hant. did he this right before the filing deadline. leaving the party in indiana grasping to find somebody. they don't have a bench. they will end up having people interested and they will appoint someone but the way that it happened was unfortunate for the democratic party in indiana. that said, i don't think that they can keep the seat anyway. i think it's going to go republican along with several other seats in this fall's elections. but even looking at how it would effect democrats in the house, if you have congressman hill or congressman ellsworth brad ellsworth excuse me from indiana deciding to take a look at that and making a run to replace evan bayh, you still open up these very recently republican either, you know, recently picked up
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seats by the democrats that will go right back into republican hands, so it poses problems for the democrats in either chamber. >> bret: steve? >> if you look at the way indiana plays out, it's a red state. it's been a red state. they have elected democrats but it's basically a conservative state. i would be shocked with either ellsworth or barron hill thought it was in their interest to get in this race anyway. if you take a step back, ellsworth is the kind of candidate that can win in indiana because is he pro gun, pro life, et cetera. this is going to be a year where small government conservatives win and win big. what we have seen in the analysis of the bayh departure, bayh retirement. everybody on the networks talking about anti-incumbent mood. it's not anti-incumbent mood. what we are seeing is ideological movement. you are seeing that manifested in the tea party movement. but you are seeing conservatives, small-government types come out and be energized
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and invigorated in a way that they haven't since 1994. >> bret: what about that look at bayh decision and politics overall. look at barbara boxer in california facing a race that she is only four points up in the latest poll. it's changed dramatically in just a matter of months. >> yeah. and i think that's in some ways one of the most devastating things about bayh's decision it cast in stone this narrative that was already hardening that the country is fed up with washington, that the country has gone on the wrong track. obama messed up his first year. the democrats have messed up their chance. and that was, you know, bayh's parting shot at reid and the process and the congress generally reinforced all of that. in a way that i don't think now can be re -- that is narrative that we will be going into all the way into the midterm election. >> bret: conservative democrats are really in trouble.
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i mean, they are really a breed that's becoming extinct. it was the other way around just a few months ago. moderate republicans were said to be the ones that were leaving in droves. >> i think both parties are becoming very polarized and they are purifying and i think that's unfortunate for everybody. i think it's unfortunate for republicans who will be back in power soon to lose someone like evan bayh who they would need to work with across the aisle. it's unfortunate for democrats that they don't have a big test. and i think it's -- i think it's bad for the taxpayers that people like evan bayh and patrick kennedy or whoever, members on both sides of the aisle actually this year who are leaving because they believe that the place is broken down. it's paralyzed by partisanship. it's under a stranglehold of big industry. you have to fund raise the day you get there. there is no incentive to work with the other side. there is no coming together to legislate on anything big. it's hard for these guys to imagine who are leaving to ever see anything big happening again
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in the professional life times in the congress, that's bad for everybody. >> it's a lot more than that it'sed that but it's a lot more than that. this is what people are generally missing, the mainstream media this is ideological movement. evan bayh didn't leave only because things are broken he left because he is hung out to dry by the obama agenda. the obama that agenda is a big government agenda. you are seeing people more and more self-identify as conservatives, even people who are not saying to pollsters yes i'm a republican. they are saying i'm an independent but i'm a conservative. >> bret: joan narcotics quickly, the white house communication answer is to sharpen the message and to get out the specific message of these policies, saying it's just the way they have communicated. that's not caught on. >> it's the ring the cow bell even louder the same way they have for the last year. i don't think -- i think that is a real sign that they are in a bunker and they are suffering from group think and they are blaming all of their problems on this messaging and marketing and buzz phrase stuff and not on the
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fact that they have gotten the policies wrong from the get-go. >> bret: that is it from the panel. final answer from the snow storm on the of the century in washington.
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i want to know why my hair is falling out. i don't even look like me anymore. how did this happen? announcer: for answers, ask your doctor the right question-- "could i have lupus?" >> bret: finally tonight, there has been a lot of back and forth about what may have been behind the major dumping of snow washington, d.c. received over the last week and a half. record-breaking snowfall. well now, thanks to one probing interview, we have a definitive answer. >> entire neighborhoods, cars and downed treed buried and in washington a little girl named charlotte insisted that she and george the snow shark were responsible for awful this. >> sleep with him. on the night before you want it to snow and then the next day it snows. >> bret: could somebody get that girl a teddy bear? for god's sake. thanks for inviting us into your home tonight. our double

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