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isolated incident or part of a pattern of misbehavior? we'll get answers from senator joe lieberman, chairman of the homeland security committee which is looking into the case. then is the recovery beginning to stall just as the agai genel election campaign takes shape? we will discuss one state's economic success story and who is on the short list to be mitt romney's running mate with indiana governor mitch daniels. also, government workers behaving badly. secret service agents and the spending spree by the gsa. we will ask our sunday panel if president obama will pay a political price for controversies on his watch, all right now on "fox news sunday." >> chris: and hello again from fox news in washington. investigators are still gathering evidence in that colombian sex scandal to
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determine if it was a one-time occurrence or something more. so far, 22 members of the secret service and military have been implicated and six secret service agents have been forced out. joining us now to discuss where the don'ter is arecy goes -- controversy goes from here is senator joe lieberman chairman of the homeland security committee which oversees the secret service. thanks for joining us on "fox news sunday." >> good to be with you. >> chris: there is a report today that iran has reverse engineered the u.s. spy drone you can see it here on the screen that apparently crashed in iran and they captured last year and the iranians have begun building a copy. as a senior member, how significant is it militarily? >> i haven't been briefed on it at all. this is the first this morning with the announcement from tay tehran i have heard about it. i take it with skepticism. there is history here of iranian bluster particularly
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now, when they are on the defensive because of our economic sanctions against them. it was not good the u.s. when the drone went down in iran and not good when the iranians drabbed it. i don't have confidence at this point that they are really able to make a copy of it. it is a very sophisticated piece of machinery and has served our national security well including i would guess being used to look all over iran particularly at areas where we have reason to believe that they are working on a nuclear weapon. >> you have about season getting brief the by the secret service on its investigation into the sex scandal in colombia. how seriously do you take what happened in colombia and is there anything new? >> i take what happened in colombia very seriously. this is the secret service. they are charged with the protection of the life of the president and vice president of the united states and their
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families. from what we know of what was happening, they were not acting like secret service agents, they were acting like a bunch of college students away on spring weekend and it is more serious than just a frolick. history is full of cases where enemies have compromised people in security or intelligence positions with sex. and beyond that, and just a much more practical way, i don't think we want our secret service agents spending a lot of time drinking bottles of vodka and carousing with women before they are going on duty to protect the president of the united states. this is serious. >> chris: let's run through the key questions that people are asking that seem to be unanswered. any evidence that these women from what you have been told in briefings, any evidence that these women had access to
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privileged, secret, classified information whether they actually used it or not? >> the answer i'm going to give is not conclusive. from everything i heard up until this point, no, there is no evidence that information was compromised. here again if the secret service gets the reputation when they are off duty not when they are on duty when they are on assignment and off duty they are going to be acting like a bunch of college kids on spring weekend, people who are who hostile to the u.s. and may actually want to attack the president of the united states will begin to take advantage of that vulnerability and that is why i have begun with my staff and senator collins my ranking member an investigation of not just this episode. i want to give the secret service director sullivan and office of responsibility space to conduct its investigation of what happened but we are going to send them some questions this week at the beginning of our broader investigation
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asking whether this was an exception or there is anything in the records that show this is a pattern of misconduct that has gone on elsewhere by secret service is agents on assignment but you off duty. why wasn't it notice if that was the case and what is the secret service going to do to make sure it never happens again. >> chris: i want to ask you about that. the so called culture of the secret service because it turns out that one of the supervisors who was allowed to retire a fellow named david cheney posted pictures and you can see it right here on facebook of himself on facebook guarding sarah palin back in 2008. that is him standing behind her there and he posted this beneath it as you can see. i was really checking her out if you know what i mean which raises the question and again i don't know whether you are just asking the questions or whether you found anything out. was this an isolated incident or in fact is it an indication that secre secret service agene panted inappropriately before?
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>> i don't know but that is a really important question to ask and our committee is going to ask it. we will go to a public hearing or more than one public hearing when we feel we are ready to do so and we have something constructive to say. this is really important. people have said to me it is hard to believe this was an issues lated incident and happened all of a sudden out of no where. i don't know. i tell you when you are dealing with the life of the president of the united states, the continuity of our government, we have got to ask every possible question we can about whether there was evidence this was going on and it should have been seen by the secret service and what could be done to stop it. for instance, what are the regulations are the rules of conduct that are drilled into secret service agents about what behavior is expected of them when they are on assignment but off duty. that is very important and i don't have the answer to that yet. we are abouting to get it. >> chris: a couple of other
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quick questions again people are asking. any evidence that any white house staffers who were there were involved in this? >> there is no evidence but i don't know that the secret service is actually investigating that question. i saw that my colleague senator grassley asked the secret service and inspector general of the department of homeland security to begin to investigate whether any white house personnel including, of course, the advance teams that go ahead of the president when makes a trip either at home or abroad. if the white house asked me how to respond to senator grassley's inquiry or request, i would say it is a reasonable question. and that the white house ought to be conducting its own internal investigation of white house personnel who were there just to make sure that none of them were involved in this kind of jen appropriate behavior.
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i understand a white house advance person is not -- doesn't have quite the same range of responsibility that a secret service agent does. on the other hand, the white house advance person knows exactly where the president is going to be at any time. if anybody thinking the worst wanted to attack the president of the united states one of the ways they might find out the path that he would follow is by compromising a white house advance personnel. that is an important question and the white house ought to be taking grassley's inquirery not defensively but making sure that they answer the question. >> chris: there has been one report, one report that cocaine was found in the room of one of the secret service agents. do you know whether that is true or not? >> i don't. i don't. incidentally one of the rules i looked at when my staff and i have begun to go over secret service rules there is a rule that a secret service agent cannot be using what is describe the as an intoxicant
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within six hours of when or she goes on duty. i want to take a look at that. as i say, the other rules of conduct that secret service agents are supposed to conduct themselves by if in fact they were adequately informed of those rules. >> chris: do you still have confidence in the secret service director mark sullivan especially given the fact not only this incident on his watch but also that he was running the agency back in 2009 when not one but three people were able to crash president obama's first state dinner? >> i do have confidence in mark sullivan. i mean that was an unfortunate lapse. i think he reacted to it. it was the fault of the secret service agents on the ground. i think they have correctd that problem. in the case of the colombia situation, i think director sullivan has acted with a sense of urgency and determination so that is what i would say today. and i hope when we look back at what happened before we will
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still be able to have the same confidence in mark sullivan. >> chris: let me switch subjects on you. your committee also oversees the general services administration. how do you explain this wild overspending? we can look at some of the videos here that have been all over tv. $823,000 for a conference. a conference in las vegas. the regional commissioner taking a 17 day trip through the pacific. how do you explain it and what is your committee going to do about it? >> there is no explanation for it. there is no excuse for it. when i heard about it i said what were these people thinking? this is taxpayer money. they were living in some strange bubble. incidentally, in 2010 the deputy to the director of region nine where all this happened out of san francisco was charged and then convicted of embezzlement. he was emh embezzling money frm
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the federal government but that didn't seem to stop the others in the region from the extraordinary waste, fraud and abuse with taxpayer money. i don't have to say it but it is a fact when the economy is down and people are struggling to pay their bills, when they are struggling to pay their taxes it is outrageous that federal employees did this. i believe this is an exception but i tell you we have a responsibility on our governmental affairs committee which is the oversight part of our jurisdiction to not just walk awayy frolic away from th. i'm asking the inspector general of the general services administration, gsa to begin an investigation of the other it ten regions to make sure that there is no similar behavior such as we found in region nine with the extraordinary las vegas party. i'm also going be holding hearings in which we will call in the leadership of gsa to make sure that they have taken
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a good hard look at the way the gsa does business now. i mean this is the agency that is supposed to achieve efficiency in renting, leasing, operating federal buildings and instead they were wasting money. they had a tradition of having each of the regions have a lot of aah tonmy. that was clearly abused in region nine. i want to make sure that is not happening in other regions and never happens again in region nine. >> former governor sarah palin says that president obama should be held responsible for these boondoggles at gsa, the breakdown in discipline at the secret service because they happened on his watch and he is the chief executive officer. do you think that is fair? >> well, i would say that it would be unfair to hold president obama responsible for this outrageous behavior at the secret service and the gsa but it is fair to hold the president accountable. what do i mean?
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i mean we have millions of federal employees, the responsibility for the abusive authority at the secret service and gsa really is the employees who did it and their supervisors. what do i mean when i say the president should be held accountable? the buck stops at the president's deck. he is the leader of our government and he now has to be acting with a kind of relentless determination to find out exactly what happened and to make sure that people who work for him at the secret service and gsa and everywhere else in the government don't let anything like this happen again. as somebody who spent a lot of my life in government i get sickened by these kinds of stories from secret service and gsa. they don't reflect what i know to be the typical federal employees but do nothing but increase the cynicism and anger that the american people feel toward their government and that is just bad forour democracy. >> chris: finally, we only have
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about a minute left. you were, of course, al gore's running mate back in 2000 and campaigned for and very much supported john mccain in 2008. have you decided who you are going to support this time, romney or obama? and in a minute, what are your thoughts about the two of them? >> i'm going to try something different this year. i'm going to try to stay out. >> chris: hasn't worked out the last -- >> i'm going to try to stay out of this one. i'm not running for reelection. i'm enjoying not being involved in the nastiness of campaigning in america these days. this year when it comes to the presidential election i'm going to do what most americans do, go into the voting booth on election day and in the privacy of the booth cast my vote. this is an important election. it seems obvious from the polling going on the whole year the american people are unsettled and uneasy about the economy and the government and changed their mind a lot has
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this has gone on and this will be a close and unpredictable presidential election right down to election day. >> chris: senator lieberman we have to leave it there. thank you very much for coming in today and we will stay on top of the gsa and secret service storys. >> thank you. >> up next, indiana governor mitch daniels joins us to talk about the economic recovery and whether he will be mitt romney's running mate. wake up! that's good morning, veggie style. hmmm. fohalf the calories plus vgie nutrition. could've had a v8.
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>> chris: a lot of republicans wanted indiana governor mitch daniels to run for president this year. now, a lot of republicans want
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mitt romney to choose daniels as his running mate. joining us to talk about that and an economic recovery that seems to be stalling is governor daniels. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> glad to be here. >> chris: you finally endorsed mitt romney this week but here is what you said in an inkjet view. you have to campaign to govern not just to win. look at everything through the lense of folks who have yet to a achieve. romney doesn't talk that way. question, is romney out of touch with americans who are struggling in this economy? >> no, i think he is much more in touch honestly than the president apparently will ever be. he has been out there and roughed up in the primaries and been face to face with the serious lingering economic difficulties america faces. if anybody is detached from the lives of real americans if anybody is disconnected from where jobs and wealth come from, it is our president.
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so. >> chris: whaif i may, though, sir,, what did you mean when you said romney doesn't talk that way? >> i'm saying that he has the right prescription for america. he is meeting the objective that i hoped our party would need of offering specific positive constructive remedies for our debt problem and our slow growth problem. as things go alock i want to encourage him to express the same principles more often from the standpoint of the young, the poor, those who have yet to start up th ladder of life, the same principles but aimed in a slightly different way and i know he will do that. >> chris: the polls are pretty clear at this point that the horse race between obama and romney is very close but they are also pretty clear that maybe perhaps because of the primary process and positions he took during the primaries that romney trails the president by significant margins among women, among hispanics, among lower income
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workers. how does he reach out to them? >> again, i think simply by identifying with the very real problems they are facing. i don't think he would want to trade problems with the president this fall. this economy is in a lousy shape. everyone knows it. the only surprise to me is that any one is surprised that it is still sputtering. i don't see it. i hope i'm wrong but i don't see it much better just a few months from now. so governor romney i believe is already getting good marks for his superior point of view on the thing that bothers americans most. it bothers everyone all those groups you just mentioned as much as any one and so he has a great opening i think and i predict that he will seize it. >> chris: i will get to the economy in a moment but i want to talk about some of the specific groups. with hispanics and, yes, of course, the economy is the overwhelming issue but during the campaign romney said that he opposes the dream act. he supports the arizona
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crackdown on illegals. he said that illegals should self-deport. and a lot of hispanics expressed concern about those positions. he can't just say i didn't mean it. >> i don't think he has to at all. i think that he has nothing -- he gives away nothing here with regard to the president who has been, i believe, very duplicitous on the same subject. not narrow casting let's say to individual groups as much as the language of unity that talks about the issues that unite us all, the threats that menace us all and try to bring americans together. the quote you put up, chris, the most important point to me is the notion of campaigning to govern. meaning trying to assemble people who may disagree about other things about the largest
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national challenges and objectives we have. >> chris: let's deal and i know you are not going to particularly enjoy this but let's deal with the question of you as a possible running mate for romney. during the run up to the primary campaign you made it clear that your wife and your daughters were not especially enthused at the idea of you running for president. would they feel differently about your running for vice president which is a shorter and less in trucive campaign? we haven't had conversation and i don't expect to have it. a lot went into the decision not to run very specifically that i promised the people of my state eight full years and i like living up to that commitment showing that it was real. no, i don't -- i think this is a hypothetical question that will probably stay that way. >> chris: let me ask you directly if romney asks you to be his running mate will you accept? >> chris, you will remember what william f. buckley said when ran for mayor of new york and they asked him what he
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would do if he won and he said demand a recount. i think i would demand reconsideration and a send mr. romney a list of people i think could suit better. >> chris: let me ask you who would be at the top of the list? who should he pick. in. >> i have seen a lot of names and i like them all. i don't want to ruin anybody's chances this morning by singling h him or her out. but there is a lot of talent in the republican party. a lot of new governors and young legislators that have joined our ranks in the last few -- just few years. i think you have a wide range of people to pick from. i have full confidence on this one. >> chris: there seem to be signs for the last few months that the economy and the recovery was picking up more jobs being created each month, the unemployment rate steadily coming down but now in the last month there seems to be a sense from a variety of signs that
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job creation, housing, that the recovery is saling. what is your sense of where the national economy is now? >> that it is falling and it never really had much momentum. even when consumption seemed to be going up if you look one level deeper people were digging into savings to make those purchases. last year income in america rose slower than inflation. people actually lost purchasing power. our state happens to be one where the workforce is growing but all around us there are states, chris, where people simply have given up looking for work. everyone now knows if we have the same size workforce we had when this all started unemployment has reported would be 11% not 8. x. so this is still very tough slog in most of america and honestly i can't name one thing that this administration has done that hasn't leaned against
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jobs and against growth so to the extent that national policy has an effect it is not really a surprise. >> what about the obama argument that he inherited a mess from george w. bush and that if romney gets into office and enacts the policies he is espousing that he will simply return us to that mess. governor romney has endorsed paul ryan's budget in principle. ryan cuts tax rates for the rich without specifying which loopholes he would close. ryan cuts nondefense discretionary he spending by 19% in 2014 which the obama campaign says would mean major cuts in head start, medical research and healthcare for the poor. how about the obama argument what romney will do is give tax cuts to the rich and spending cuts to the poor and the middle class? >> first of all, the president did inherit a mess but it is not the first time that ever happened. he has done less with that mess than any one else ever did.
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ronald reagan inherited a bigger one and had a roaring economy already about by this stage. this is the weakest recovery at least in the post war period if not ever given the depth of the recession that we were in. with regard to how we get out of it? couldn't doing we dowd worse than the policy mix of this president. gigantic new spending and gigantic new taxes. takeover of 18% or 19% of the economy in the obama care bill. anything would be better than that. now, with regard to the ryan budget it is certainly a much better starting point than what we have now. yes, fill in the blanks. let's describe exactly where or at least the extent to which the tax loophole should be closed but the president apparently nothing in his life has acquainted h him with where jobs and wealth come from. he has no at all for the small businesses of this country. they are the ones on the receiving end of all of the new
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you taxes and frankly i guess he never is going to get it. >> chris: finally, barack obama won indiana four years ago. the first time that any democrat had won your state since linden johnson in 1964. what are the chances that barack obama can win, indiana, again this november? >> slim and none. i would want to give credit to a a savvy strategy in '08. they were in a competitive primary here and spent a lot of time and money and had a running head start and saw an opportunity and capitalized on it. it will take a massive change i believe in the view of hoosiers for him to repeat that this year. the kind of policies he pursued have been very hard on people out here in the middle of the country and my fellow citizens seem to see that. every indication i have seen says they are very open to change and a new direction in favor of more limited
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government and more progrowth economic policies. >> chris: so you think that indiana is basically locked up pretty tight for mitt romney in november. in. >> i think you got to go earn it of course and i hope he will do that. you asked me what the president's chances are and i think i'm not firm ground saying they are not too good. >> chris: thank you so much as always for talking with us and please come back, sir. >> i would like that. >> chris: up next, the general election campaign heats up and new polls show the race is even closer than expected. our sunday panel on the 2012 campaign, in a moment. f!
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i wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. michelle wasn't. but somebody gave us a chance. >> by his own measure this president has failed. we are going to get him out of office. >> chris: president obama and presumptive republican nominee mitt romney playing politics this week over their personal backgrounds and their records. and it is time for the sunday group, bill kristol of the weekly standard. former democratic campaign manager joe trippi. former bush white house senior advisor karl rove. and fox news political analyst juan williams. so, the president you saw there
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talking about silver spoons. the democratic governor of montana talked about polygamy communes. the republicans mined the first obama auto biography to find out that he ate dog as a young boy in indonesia. is this what this campaign is going to be about? is there going to be an effort by one side to paint the other side as somehow weird or foreign, bill? >> it is not what the campaign should be about. it as big moment and deserves a good election. the republicans would be well advised to keep it on a high level. he passed obama care. are those the policies you want or are those not the policies. >> chris: do you expect talk about mormonism and polygamy and silver spoons. >> if you are an incumbent president who isn't thrilled with defending your own record you try to disqualify the
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incumbent on personal grounds. it has not worked. i was in the first bush white house and people thought they will never elect bill clinton. george h.b. bush is a more admirable human being. voters vote on policy and vote going forward. a lot of people thought that barack obama could not be elected president because of his background and his race and that didn't happen either. voters in this kind of election about vote on policy not on sort of phoney or personality issues. >> chris: let's talk about money because we just got the latest filings and they are very interesting. at the end of march the obama campaign had $104 million, this is the actual campaign cash on hand while the romney campaign had 10 millioned. but the obama super pac priorities usa had only $5 million in the bank and american cross roads with $24 million and restore our future with $6.5 million. joe, will money be a big factor
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in the campaign or do you think that in effect both sides will have enough to make their case? >> i think both sides will have enough to make their case. the president is going to be raising i think a lot more than the romney campaign. the super pacs on the right will do much better than the super pacs on the democratic side. you will have the money to make the case. the problem is with all that money i think you are going to see one of the most negative campaigns out there. you have a president who is not very popular. a congress that is not very popular and the least popular of any challenging nominee in recent history. at that point i think everybody is going to point out the negatives on the other side, not necessarily the positives. >> chris: i want to talk to you, karl, about money and support as one of the founders of american crossroads the republican superpac. the washington post says that independent groups will focus on television and the air wars
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and the other will focus on ground game. do you think that is true and secondly if it is true, which is more important the air wars or ground games? >> first both are important. citizens united supreme court decision gave the unions the ability to spend money not just on a ground game as previously allowed aimed at members but now the broader public and they will take sack of the new strength. the republican national committee will take the ground game on outside groups will take the lead probably on the air war but both are important and actual vital in the election. i would like to make one quick point about money. i think sufficient money will be found on both sides. interestingly enough to me is not just the money raised by the obama campaign but the money spent. they have $104 million on hand which means they spent 48% of what they raised. last month, march they raised $46.4 million but spent 37.7. they spent 81% of the money
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they raised that month. their burn rate is really high and if i was sitting in chicago i would be worried about how much money are they going to have at the end of the campaign. >> chris: let me ask you as somebody involved in the recollection campaign for george w. bush in 2004 did you have a 40% burn rate? >> the first quarter, first three months of obama's reelection campaign the first three months 00 bush spent 25% of the money they brought in and we spent 9%. >> chris: what are they spending it on? >> a gigantic staff with a lot of bells and whistles. they have about as many people as you would expect to have in general election in the final couple of months they have already got and they are opening up a lot of offices around the country. they would tell you that they are investing in a ground game that will pay off in the end. having invested a lot of money in a ground game in 2004, i know how expensive it is but i also know that you can spend too early and it strikes me they are spending way too early. >> chris: juan? >> i don't think they are are
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spending too early because they need a ground game. it will be a close election and in that case you want to make sure that you have the capacity necessary to make sure you are reaching voter. part of this is making sure for the obama campaign they are able to excite their base. one advantage the republicans have had and we can argue about this is whether or not the primaries excited the base, got the base involved. actually republican turnout has not been great in the primaries but the reason i mention this is on the democratic side they haven't had primaries, any challenge to president obama that would excite the base to say now is the time to get in gear. they have taken advantage of this time, spent the money as karl just said but put in place a network to even challenge in states that are considered some what on the line, arizona for example. and they will be in place now for the rest of this time leading up to the november election. the second thing to say is the super pacs are ready, are now trying to counter for mitt
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romney in advance of this campaign. they are out there defending him with the big bucks supplied by my pal karl that is the romney campaign doesn't have. >> karl, go ahead. >> well, first of all, i'm delighted i'm your pal. really. deeply moved. would you like to contribute? >> oh, stop. >> juan made a point they are spending gig o big on a gas ros effort and they will need it. we did that in 2004. the biggest in the history of american politics at that point. but there are a difference between spending the vast sums of money they are spending now and spending the vast sums of money later. >> let me turn to bill and a slightly different subject. you had an editorial in the new issue and here it is of the weekly standard in which you say that president come an roms you put it should largely ignore president obama during the campaign. explain what you mean? >> let karl and his big buck
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pals attack president obama and call attention to his deficiencies. president obama has been president for three and a half years. approval rating 46-47%. voters don't like obama care and they don't like the stimulus and notion of $1.3 trillion deficits forever and i think president romney -- governor romney, candidate romney needs to make the case that he could be president romney. i think this election is romneys to win. i don't think he needs to disqualify obama at this point. set incumbent. he has the 45% not much more. president romney should go this is a little contrarian because every spit wants president obama romney, governor romney to hammer president obama as much as possible but i feel the best way to convince voters you can be president is to be presidential and that means giving serious speeches on foreign policy, about the supreme court and the debt and deficit and running a high road big picture campaign. >> do you agree with that? >> i think that is what romney
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should try to do. this is going to be a really mean spirited campaign all the way down the wire and both sides. i mean we have already seen it. it is going to happen. i don't think the romney campaign is going to be able to stay above it. >> how about the candidate himself and candidate obama? >> well, the candidates should both try to do that but i don't think -- so much money on both sides from committees you can't control. it is those ads are going to be the real tell tale of how this thing goes down and i think it is going to be a tough lesson. the one cautionary note on the money. they are spending the money to build the most massive online list ever. something like that when they hit that button they could raise a hundred million in a week the obama campaign. anybody who thinks they will just roll over they are spending more money than they should, i think they are wrong.
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these guys know what they are doing. >> 234 order to get to their $750 million goal they will need to raise $68 millioned a month. well, above the $28 million a month they are now raising. they may be able to hit that button, i don't think so. let me say one thing about bill's excellent editorial. i do agree that romney needs to use obama's words to indight him. his own standards and own words in a presidential way. the most important thing was in the second-to-last paragraph in which he talked about the tone. the swing voters in the election do not hate obama, they like him but they are terribly disappointed. >> they vote the for h him. >> or if they didn't vote for him wished him well. they are disappointed with his policies but they don't want to have their nose rubbed in it and they want the republican candidate romney to make a case that is prospective and optimistic as well as a specific point by point. >> chris: we have to take a break here. when we come back, the secret
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the buck stops with the president and he has really got to start cracking down and seeing some heads roll. he has to get rid of these people at the head of these agencies where so many things obviously are amis. >> chris: that was former governor sarah palin laying blame for the secret service and gsa scandals on the door step of president obama. and we are back now with the panel. bill, do you think these cases of government workers behaving badly will have a political impact and do you think it is fair to blame and to hold president obama accountable?
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>> i think it is a government problem honestly more than a president obama problem but he has to be held accountable. he appointed the head of the gsa so i guess we move that person and see what else he does to reform the agency. i think it will be a mistake for republicans to put too much in the way of hopes in exploiting these scandals. remember in 1988 everyone thought that vice president bush was doomed because of the contra scandal. the clinton gore fund raising scandals. and you know what, vice president bush won in '88 and bill clinton won in '96 and i come back to what i said before. i think the election will be more about policy going forward than particular scandals that have happened. >> chris: joe? >> i think that is right. to the extent people have more distaste about government and more distaste about corruption scandals that doesn't hurt
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anybody then. it could actually have a bigger impact on congressional races around the country than it may on the presidency. but i do think it is the republicans can't put too much into this and try to exploit it too much. >> chris: karl, i have a couple of questions i want to ask you. first of all, you worked in the white house for almost seven years. did you ever see any signs of a breakdown in secret service discipline, especially did you hear anything about agents going on the road before a presidential trip and partying and that kind of thing? >> no, especially on a foreign trip. this is one of of the more dangerous moments the secret service guys are always wired up about foreign trips. mark sullivan the director of the secret service is an enormously able individual and i think he has moved aggressively and appropriately here. at the end of the day when all of this is known and all of it has been handled that the people who will be most disgusted and most angry and most upset about this are the
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members of the men and women of the secret service. this is not up to the standards that they themselves hold out to their own agency and their own mission. it is a terrible blot on the record and i think the vast majority of secret service personnel feel that way. >> chris: you never heard any lead agents -- >> particularly on a trip like this. they are human beings. after a trip is over, you know, they have a beer or something. but not on duty. and when you are and a foreign trip you are on duty all the time. there is no off hours. you may have a time you are not on active watch but you are on duty 24 hours a day on a foreign trip. >> chris: let me he ask you about the politics of this. do you think it is an effective weapon to go after the president on this? and when i say this, secret service and gsa. the palin argument is he is the ceo of the corporation. it is happening on his watch. >> well, with all due respect, every argument in politics generates a counter argument and the counter argument that
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will be generated if republicans try to make this a big push against president obama the ordinary american will look there and say that is going over the top. the gsa thing needs to b reformed. there needs to be a top to bottom review of the issue at secret service but the republicans will make a big mistake if the republicans do it. it creates a problem for president obama. ed as to the sense that washington is broken but if the republicans try to make this a point in their arguments they are making a big mistake. >> chris: juan? >> i couldn't agree more. i think it has been said here that people are going to look at this with a large sense of gosh, you know, what is going on not only in washington. just a lack of trust in american leadership at this point from wall street to washington. our culture. but the idea that something president obama is responsible, i think it is a reach and overreaching at that point then people start to wonder why are you being so aggressive and attacking someone who as was
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pointed over earlier, people do not see him as someone who is personally involved or would personally give license to this kind of irresponsible behavior. >> the fourth sign of the the apocalypse the four of us agree. >> chris: the wild overspending on the gsa junkets bill, even though it is obviously $800,000 is a miniscule part of the overall budget but just looking at this video does it bolster the republican argument that the federal government is bloated, you raise taxes, you spend more and some of it is going end up going to this, inc.? >> this should be folded into an argument. if you want state government this is big government and a case for putting someone this there who will downsize and reform government andlet look at all of the agencies.
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why are they having the conferences? really at a time of $1.3 trillion deficit. you have to have retreats and workshops and team building ecker seidenbergs? exercises. the gsa is supposed to make the federal government more efficient. it is good as part of an antibig government argument if it is not carried too far and made the personal responsibility of barack obama. >> you h heard something earlier today that caught me by surprise and that is that mr. neely the executive at the center of this had according to senator lieberman been found embezzling funds. >> it was an agent underneath him. >> even then, this is a dysfunctional agency. they fired the administrator. she tendered her resignation. they should have gone deep. what do you think about the argument to the degree people are suspect about government and spending and waste and bloat #-d government this only feeds into that and to that
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degree particularly when you have a president who is saying government is going to invest and help solve your problems and you have a challenger saying we want to get government out and let the free market work. >> broad strokes. anybody who is in is going to be hurt by this and that applies to the president and it applies to members of congress and the senate. the problem is i agree if you try to make this personally the president's fault or try to take it and somehow blame him for this as the buck stops here it is not going to work. that will backfire on republicans and anybody that tries to make that argument. i think in the broader absolutely this is not good for the president. not good for an incumbent member of congress for people to be here sitting here looking at the gsa videos and wondering what is going on in washington. >> chris: we have a little over a minute left and i will take advantage of it to switch subjects on you. what is your feeling that the moment. i assume you didn't know anything because i assume
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really there hasn't been anything done. what is your analysis right now about the vice presidential sweepstakes. >> this will be a fascination for months. the fact of the matter is we have on the republican side a broad range of opportunities for are mr. romney for governor romney and this is going to be a long exhaustive process if he does it right and he will do it right. the woman in charge of it is meticulous and conscientious and detail oriented. at the end of three or four months, governor romney will have absorbed a lot of information about the pro spects. who would be the best partner to him in the oval office. whose judgment, whose abilities, whose talents, whose communication skills would augment his ability to govern and who would the country have confidence in if something happened to president romney. >> chris: and specifically reaching out to somebody that might help you win a state
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a geographical states. let's pick a hispanic because we are in trouble with hispanics. could be good partners. >> the politics ought to be secondary and there are lots of different abilities that people could bring to the fray. first and foremost who is going to help me govern. >> chris: we have to leave it there. and we will only be playing this parlor game for what, what is it between now and august? you figure it out the math, guys. check out panel plus where the group picks up with the discussion on our website foxnewssunday .com. and make sure to follow us on twitter at "fox news sunday." up next, we hear from you.
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