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misbehavior? we will get answers from senator joe lieberman chairman of the homeland security committee looking into the case. is the recovery stalling? just as the general election campaign takes shape? we will discuss one state's economic success story and play the favorite parlor game, who is on the short list to be the running mate for romney. and government workers behaving badly. secret service agents and the las vegas spending spree by the g.s.a. we will ask if president obama will pay a political price for controversies on his watch. all right now on fox news sunday. and hello, again, from fox news in washington, dc. investigators are still gathering evidence in that colombian sex scandal to determine if it was a one time occurrence or something more.
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so far, 22 members of the secret service and military have been implicated and six secret service agents have been forced out. joining us to discuss where the controversy goes from here is senator joe lieberman chairman of the homeland security committee which oversees the secret service and senator welcome back. before we get to that subject, this is a report today that iran has reversed engineers the u.s. spy drone, can you see it here on the screen, that crashed in iran and they captured last year and that the iranians have been building a copy. as a senior member of the senate armed services committee, if this report is true, how significant is it? >>guest: well, i have not been briefed on it so this is the first this morning with the announcement i have heard. i would take it with skepticism. there is a history here of iranian fostering, particularly now, when they are on the defensive because of our
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economic sanctions against them, but, look, it was not good for the united states when the drone went down in iran and not good when the iranians grabbed it. i don't have confidence they are able to make a copy of it. it is a very sophisticated piece of machinery and has served our national security well including, i would guess, being used to look all over iran particularly as areas where we have reason to believe that they are working on a nuclear weapon. >>chris: you have been getting briefed by the secret service on their session into this sex scandal in colombia, how seriously do you take what happened in colombia? and is there anything new? >>guest: i take what happened in colombia very seriously. this is the secret service. they are charged with the protection of the life of the president and vice president of the united states and their
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families. for what we know of what was happening in cartagena they were not asking like secret servicing as but acting like a bunch of college students away on spring weekend. it is more serious. history of full of cases where enemies have compromised people with security or intelligence positions with sex. and it is just a much more practical way, i don't think we want our secret service agents spending a lot of time drinking bottles of vodka and associatizing with women before they go on duty to protect the president of the united states. but this is serious. >>chris: and now the key questions people are asking: any evidence these women had access to privileged or secret
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or classified action? >>guest: there is no evidence that information was compromised. but, again, if the secret service gets the reputation when they are off duty, when they are off duty they will be acting like a bunch of college kids on spring weekend people who are hostile to the united states, people who may want to attack the president of the united states, they will take advantage of that vulnerability and that is why i have begun with my staff and senator collins, my ranking member, an investigation of not just this help today but i want to give the secret service some space to conduct their investigation of what happened in cartagena but we will send some questions at the beginning of our broader investigation asking if there is
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anything in the reports that show this is a pattern of misconduct that has gone on elsewhere by secret service agents on assignment but off duty. why wasn't it noticed if that was the case and what is the secret service going to do to make sure it never happens again. >>chris: and the so-called culture of the secret service. it turns out one of the supervisors posted picks and you can see it on facebook, were of himself, on facebook, guarding sarah palin back in 2008, standing behind her, and he posted this, i was really checking her out if you know what i mean," which raises the question, and i don't know whether you just asking the questions or whether you found anything out, was this isolated? or, in fact, is it an indication that secret service agents have acted inappropriately before? >>guest: right now i don't know. but that is an important
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question to ask and our committee will ask and we will go to a public hearing when we feel we are ready to do so. we have something constructive to say. this is really important. people have said to me, it is hard to believe this was an isolated insurance accident and just happened suddenly in cartagena out of nowhere, i don't know. but when you are dealing with the life of the president of the united states, the continuity of our government, we have to ask every possible question we can about whether there was evidence this was going on and it should have been seen by the secret service, or what can be done to stop it. what are the regulations, the rules of conduct, that are drilled into the agents about what behavior is expected of them while on assignment but off duty? that is very important. i don't have the answer to that. we will get it. >> and a couple of other quick
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questions. any evidence that any white house staffers who were there in cartagena were involved in this? >>guest: there is no evidence but i don't that the secret service we is investigating that question. i saw my colleague, senator grassley, ask the secret service or the inspector general of the department of homeland security, to begin do investigate whether any white house personnel including the advance teams that go ahead of the president when he makes a trip either at home or abroad, if the white house asked me how to respond to senator grassley's inquiry or request, i would say it is a reasonable question. and that the white house ought to be conducting its own internal investigation of white house personnel who were in cartagena just to make sure that known was involved in this kind of inappropriate behave. i understand a white house
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advance person does not have the same range of responsibility that a secret service agent does but on the other hand the white house advance person knows exactly where the president is going to be at any time. if anyone thinking the worst, wanted to attack the president of the united states, one of the ways they could find out the path he would follow in cartagena is by compromising white house advance personnel. so that is an important question and the white house ought to be taking grassley's inquiry not defensively but making sure that they answer the question. >>chris: there is one report, one report that cocaine was found in the room of a secret service agent. is that true do you know? >>guest: i don't know. my staff and i have been going over secret service rules there is a rule that the secret service agent cannot be used as
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"intoxicant" six hours from duty. and the other rules of conduct that secret service agents are supposed to conducts themselves by, if, in fact, they were adequately informed of the rules. >>chris: do you still have confidence in secret service director mark sullivan especially given the fact that not only this incident on his watch but, also, he was running the agency in 2009 when not one, but three people were able to crash president obama's birthday dinner? >>guest: i do have confidence in mark sullivan. he reacted to the lapse and it was the fault of the secret service agent on the ground and they have corrected that problem and in the case of the cartagena situation, director sullivan has acted with a sense of urgency and determination. so, that is what i would say today. and i hope when we look back at what happened before cartagena
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we will still be able to have the same confidence in mark sullivan. >>chris: your committee oversees the general services administration as part of your governmental affairs function. how do you explain this wild overspending? $823,000 for a conference, a conference, a conference in las vegas? the regional commissioner taking a $17-day trip to the pack, how -- to the pacific. >>guest: there is no explanation. no excuse. when i heard about it, i said what were they thinking? this is taxpayer money. they were living in some strange bubble. in 2010 the deputy to mr. neely was charged and then convicted of embezzlement, he was embezzling money from the federal government but that did
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not seem to stop neely and others in the region from the extraordinary waste, fraud, and abuse with taxpayer money. when the economy is down, when people are struggling to pay bills and they are struggling to pay their taxes it is outrageous that federal employees did this. i believe this is an exception but we have a responsibility on our governmental affairs committee which is the oversight part of our jurisdiction to not just walk away from this. i'm, with senator collins, asking the inspector general of the general services administration, to begin an investigation of the other ten regions to make sure there is no similar behavior such as we found in region nine with the extraordinary las vegas party and i'm going to hold hearings which we call in the leadership of g.s.a. to make sure that they have taken a good hard look the
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way the g.s.a. does business. this is the agency that is supposed to keep efficiency, achieve efficiency in renting and leasing and rating federal buildings. they have had a tradition of having each of the regions with a lot of autonomy which was abused in region mine and i want to make sure that is not happening in other regions and it never happens again if region nine. chris kress former governor sarah palin says that president obama should be held responsible for these we boondoggles at g.s.a., the breakdown in discipline at the secret service because they happened on his watch and he is the chief executive officer. do you thing that is fair? >>guest: i would say it would be unfair to hold president obama responsible for this outrageous behavior of the secret service and the g.s.a. but it is fair to hold the president accountable. what do i mean? we have millions of federal
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employees and the responsibility for abusive authority at secret service and g.s.a., really, is the employ i whose did it and their supervisors but what do i mean when i say the president should be held accountable? the duck stops at the president's desk. he now has to be acting with kind of a relentless determination to fine out what happened and make sure the people with work for him at the secret service and g.s.a. and elsewhere in the government do not let negative like this happen again. as someone who has spent my life in government i get sickened by these kind of stories from secret service and g.s.a. because they do not reflect what i know to be the typical federal employees but they do nothing but increase the cynicism that, and anger, that the american people feel toward their government. >>chris: we only have a minute, you were al gore's running mate in 2000 and you
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campaigned for and supported john mccain in 2008. have you decided we without will support this time, romney or obama? and in a minute, what are your thoughts of the two of them? >>guest: i am going to try something different this year. i am going to try to stay out of this. i am not running for re-election. i am enjoying not being involved in the nastiness of campaigning in america these days and this year, when it comes to the presidential election, i am going to do what most americans do, go into the voting booth on election day and in the privative the booth cast my vote. this is a very important election, and i will say that, it seems obvious from the polling that is going on the whole year, the american people are very unsettled, very uneasy about the economy, about the government, and they have changed their mine a lot as this goes on and this is going to be a very close and unpredictable
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presidential election to election day. >>chris: senator lieberman, thank you for coming in today. service storys. >> thank you. >> up next, indiana governor mitch daniels joins us to talk about the economic recovery and whether he will be mitt romney's running mate.
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>>chris: a lot of republicans wanted indiana governor daniel dozen run for president and now a lot of republicans want mitt
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romney to choose daniels as the running mate and here to talk about that, here is governor daniels. welcome back to fox news sunday, sir. >>guest: glad to be here. >>chris: you endorsed romney this week but here is what you said in an interview with the indianapolis star here is what you said in an inkjet view. you have to campaign to govern not just to win. look at everything through the lense of folks who have yet to a achieve. romney doesn't talk that way. question, is romney out of touch with americans who are struggling in this economy? >> no, i think he is much more in touch honestly than the president apparently will ever be. he has been out there and roughed up in the primaries and been face to face with the serious lingering economic difficulties america faces. if anybody is detached from the lives of real americans if anybody is disconnected from where jobs and wealth come from, it is our president.
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so. >> chris: whaif i may, though, sir,, what did you mean when you said romney doesn't talk that way? >> i'm saying that he has the right prescription for america. he is meeting the objective that i hoped our party would need of offering specific positive constructive remedies for our debt problem and our slow growth problem. as things go alock i want to encourage him to express the same principles more often from the standpoint of the young, the poor, those who have yet to start up th ladder of life, the same principles but aimed in a slightly different way and i know he will do that. >> chris: the polls are pretty clear at this point that the horse race between obama and romney is very close but they are also pretty clear that maybe perhaps because of the primary process and positions he took during the primaries that romney trails the president by significant margins among women, among hispanics, among lower income
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workers. how does he reach out to them? >> again, i think simply by identifying with the very real problems they are facing. i don't think he would want to trade problems with the president this fall. this economy is in a lousy shape. everyone knows it. the only surprise to me is that any one is surprised that it is still sputtering. i don't see it. i hope i'm wrong but i don't see it much better just a few months from now. so governor romney i believe is already getting good marks for his superior point of view on the thing that bothers americans most. it bothers everyone all those groups you just mentioned as much as any one and so he has a great opening i think and i predict that he will seize it. >> chris: i will get to the economy in a moment but i want to talk about some of the specific groups. with hispanics and, yes, of course, the economy is the overwhelming issue but during the campaign romney said that he opposes the dream act. he supports the arizona
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crackdown on illegals. he said that illegals should self-deport. and a lot of hispanics expressed concern about those positions. he can't just say i didn't mean it. >> i don't think he has to at all. i think that he has nothing -- he gives away nothing here with regard to the president who has been, i believe, very duplicitous on the same subject. not narrow casting let's say to individual groups as much as the language of unity that talks about the issues that unite us all, the threats that menace us all and try to bring americans together. the quote you put up, chris, the most important point to me is the notion of campaigning to govern. meaning trying to assemble people who may disagree about other things about the largest
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national challenges and objectives we have. >> chris: let's deal and i know you are not going to particularly enjoy this but let's deal with the question of you as a possible running mate for romney. during the run up to the primary campaign you made it clear that your wife and your daughters were not especially enthused at the idea of you running for president. would they feel differently about your running for vice president which is a shorter and less in trucive campaign? we haven't had conversation and i don't expect to have it. a lot went into the decision not to run very specifically that i promised the people of my state eight full years and i like living up to that commitment showing that it was real. no, i don't -- i think this is a hypothetical question that will probably stay that way. >> chris: let me ask you directly if romney asks you to be his running mate will you accept? >> chris, you will remember what william f. buckley said when ran for mayor of new york and they asked him what he
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would do if he won and he said demand a recount. i think i would demand reconsideration and a send mr. romney a list of people i think could suit better. >> chris: let me ask you who would be at the top of the list? who should he pick. in. >> i have seen a lot of names and i like them all. i don't want to ruin anybody's chances this morning by singling h him or her out. but there is a lot of talent in the republican party. a lot of new governors and young legislators that have joined our ranks in the last few -- just few years. i think you have a wide range of people to pick from. i have full confidence on this one. >> chris: there seem to be signs for the last few months that the economy and the recovery was picking up more jobs being created each month, the unemployment rate steadily coming down but now in the last month there seems to be a sense from a variety of signs that
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job creation, housing, that the recovery is saling. what is your sense of where the national economy is now? >> that it is falling and it never really had much momentum. even when consumption seemed to be going up if you look one level deeper people were digging into savings to make those purchases. last year income in america rose slower than inflation. people actually lost purchasing power. our state happens to be one where the workforce is growing but all around us there are states, chris, where people simply have given up looking for work. everyone now knows if we have the same size workforce we had when this all started unemployment has reported would be 11% not 8. x. so this is still very tough slog in most of america and honestly i can't name one thing that this administration has done that hasn't leaned against
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jobs and against growth so to the extent that national policy has an effect it is not really a surprise. >> what about the obama argument that he inherited a mess from george w. bush and that if romney gets into office and enacts the policies he is espousing that he will simply return us to that mess. governor romney has endorsed paul ryan's budget in principle. ryan cuts tax rates for the rich without specifying which loopholes he would close. ryan cuts nondefense discretionary he spending by 19% in 2014 which the obama campaign says would mean major cuts in head start, medical research and healthcare for the poor. how about the obama argument what romney will do is give tax cuts to the rich and spending cuts to the poor and the middle class? >> first of all, the president did inherit a mess but it is not the first time that ever happened. he has done less with that mess than any one else ever did.
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ronald reagan inherited a bigger one and had a roaring economy already about by this stage. this is the weakest recovery at least in the post war period if not ever given the depth of the recession that we were in. with regard to how we get out of it? couldn't doing we dowd worse than the policy mix of this president. gigantic new spending and gigantic new taxes. takeover of 18% or 19% of the economy in the obama care bill. anything would be better than that. now, with regard to the ryan budget it is certainly a much better starting point than what we have now. yes, fill in the blanks. let's describe exactly where or at least the extent to which the tax loophole should be closed but the president apparently nothing in his life has acquainted h him with where jobs and wealth come from. he has no at all for the small businesses of this country. they are the ones on the receiving end of all of the new
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you taxes and frankly i guess he never is going to get it. >> chris: finally, barack obama won indiana four years ago. the first time that any democrat had won your state since linden johnson in 1964. what are the chances that barack obama can win, indiana, again this november? >> slim and none. i would want to give credit to a a savvy strategy in '08. they were in a competitive primary here and spent a lot of time and money and had a running head start and saw an opportunity and capitalized on it. it will take a massive change i believe in the view of hoosiers for him to repeat that this year. the kind of policies he pursued have been very hard on people out here in the middle of the country and my fellow citizens seem to see that. every indication i have seen says they are very open to change and a new direction in favor of more limited
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government and more progrowth economic policies. >> chris: so you think that indiana is basically locked up pretty tight for mitt romney in november. in. >> i think you got to go earn it of course and i hope he will do that. you asked me what the president's chances are and i think i'm not firm ground saying they are not too good. >> chris: thank you so much as always for talking with us and please come back, sir. >> i would like that. >> chris: up next, the general election campaign heats up and new polls show the race is even closer than expected. our sunday panel on the 2012 campaign, in a moment. let's start with car insurance x. this one does save people a lot of money and it's very affordable. it was very delicious. could you please taste car insurance y? this one is much more expensive. ugh. it's really bad. let's see what you picked. oh, geico!
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i wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. michelle wasn't. >> i wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. someone gave us a chance. >> by husband own measure this president has failed. >>chris: president obama and presurgive romney playing politics with this this week over their backgrounds and personal records. and now our sunday group, bill kristol, and former bush white house senior advisor karl rove and fox news political analyst juan williams.
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the republicans mined the first obama biography to find out he ate dog as a young boy in indonesia. will there be an effort by both sides to paint the other side as "weird." >>guest: that is unfortunate. it is a big moment. it deserve as big election. republicans would be well advised to keep it on the high level. he passed obamacare. are those the policies you are for or not? >>chris: you talk about mormonism and silver spoons. >>guest: if you are incumbent president who is not thrilled with defending your record you will try to disqualify the opponent and try to disqualify him on personal grounds. it has not worked.
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i was in the first bush white house and petroleum thought they would never elect bill clinton look at the draft dodging and george h.w. bush is a more admirable human being, a war hero and voters vote on policy, and they vote going forward and people thought that president obama cannot be elected president because of his background and his race and that did not happen, either, voters in this kind of election will vote on policy. not on phony personality or background issues. >>chris: let's talk about money because we got the latest filings and they are interesting. at the end march, the obama campaign has $104 million cash on hand. the romney campaign had $10 million. but, the obama super pac, priorities usa had only $5 million in the bank and two republican super pac's were in better shape, american cross roads with $24 million, and "restore our future," with $6.5 million. will the money be a big factor
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or do you think in effect both sides will have enough to make the case? >> both sides will have enough to make their case. the president's going to raise a lot more than the romney campaign and the super pac's on right will do much better than the super pac's on the democratic side. so you will have the money to make the case but the problem with all that money you are going to see one of the most negative campaigns out there. you have a president who is not very popular. a congress that is not very popular and the least popular republican, of any challenging nominee, in recent history. so, everyone is pointing up the negatives not the positives. >>chris: and now money and support as a founder of american crossroads, the "washington post" says that outside independent republican groups will focus on television, the air wars and outside democratic
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groups, especially big labor will focus on ground games s that true? and if it is truly, which is more important, the air wars or the ground? >> both are important. but you have it right. citizens united supreme court decision gave the unions the ability to spend money not just on a ground game as previously allowed aimed at members but now the broader public and they will take advantage of that new strength. the republican national committee the take the lead on the ground game on the republican side and outside groups will take the lead probably on the air war but both are important and absolutely vital. i make one quick point about money, sufficient money will be found on both sides but interestingly enough, to me, is not just the money raised by the obama campaign but the money spent. so far they have raised $197 million. they have $104 million on hand so they spent 48 percent of what they raised. last month, march, they raised $46.4 million but spent $37.67, spending 81 percent, their burn
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rate is really, really lie and? i were sitting in chicago i would be worried how were they will have at end of the campaign. >>chris: as someone involved in the re-election campaign for george w. bush did you have a 40 percent bun rate? >>guest: no, look at first quarter, april, may and june first three months of the obama re-election campaign and in 2003 of bush, they spent 25 percent of money and we spent 9 percent. >>chris: spenting it on what? >> a staff with bells and whistles and as many as you expect in a general election in the final months and they are opening up a lost offices. they will tell you they investing in a ground game that will pay off at the end and having invested a lot of money in a ground game in 2004 i know how expensive it is but you can spend too early and it strikes they are spending too early. >>juan: they will need a ground game, i think it will be
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close and in that case you want to make sure you have the capacity necessary to make sure you are reaching voters and do not forget part of this is making sure that obama campaign can excite the base. an advantage the republicans have had, and we can argue about this, whether or not the primary excited the base, got the base involved. and republican turn out has not been great in the primaries, but i mention this, because on a d side, they have not had primaries, any challenge to president obama, that would excite the base and say now is the time to get in gear. they have taken advantage of the time, spent the money but put in place a network and challenge in states that are considered on the line. arizona, for example. and they will be in place, now, for the rest of this time leading up to the november election in order to capitalize point. and the second thing to say, the super pac's are ready. though are now trying to counter
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for mitt romney in advance of this campaign. they are out there defending him with the big bucks supplied we by my pal karl. >> i am delighted i am your pal, deeply moved. would you like to contribute? >>juan: stop. >> he made a point they are spending big on grass roots effort. we did that in 2004 we spent on a big grass roots, the biggest in the history of american politics at that point. but, there is a difference between spending vast sums they are spending now and spending vast sums later, it strike me they are running scared. >>chris: and now a different subject. you had an editorial in the new issue, you have an editorial on the new issue. of the "weekly standard," you say that president romney as you put it should largely ignore president obama during the campaign. what do you mean? and let karl and his pals attack
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president obama and call attention to the deficiencies but, president obama has been 3 1/2 years and the approval rate is 46 percent or 47 percent not 50 percent. voter do not like the stimulus or obamacare or the notion of $1.3 trillion deficit forever and president romney, governor romney, candidate romney, needs to make the case he can be president romney. i don't think he needs to disqualify obama at this point. president obama has the 45 percent support, not that much more, and romney, everyone wants governor romney to hammer president obama as much as possible but i say, he has the best way to convince voters you can be president is to be presidential. and that means getting serious speeches on foreign policy, about the supreme court, about the deficit, and rutting a high road, big picture campaign. >>chris: do you agree? >> thank you is what romney should try to do. he will not be able to do it.
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look, this is going to be a mean spirited campaign all the way down to the wire on both sides and we have already seen it, it will happen. i don't think the romney campaign is going to be stable to stay above it. >>chris: and the candidate himself and candidate obama? >> the candidates should both try to do that but this is so much money on both sides from committees you cannot control, those ads will be the real telltale of how this thing goes down and it will be a quite the election, they are building the most massive online list, ever, and someone building something like that when they hit the button they can raise $100 million in a week, the obama campaign. anyone who thinks that they will rollover and they are spending important -- more than they
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should, they wrong. they know what they are doing karl: them need to raise more than what they are raising now. i don't think they can do it. and now, bill's excellence editorial, i agree with a lot of that, and i think romney needs to use obama's words to indict him, his own standard, in a presidential way but the most important thing in bill's editorial was in the second to last paragraph he talked of the tone. republicans need to remember the swing voter in this election do not hate obama, they like him. they voted for hip. or if they didn't vote for him they wished him well. they are regretful they gave him their support but they do not want their nose rubbed in it and they want, the republican candidate, romney to make a case that is optimistic as well as one that is specific point by point indictment. >>chris: we have to take a
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the buck stop >> the buck stops with the president. he has to crackdown and see heads rolls. with veto get rid of these people at head of agencies where so many things are amiss. >>chris: that was sarah palin laying blame for the secret service on the doorstep of president obama. we are back, now, with the panel. bill, do you think the cases are government workers behaving badly will have a political impact? is it fair? to blame and hold president obama accountable?
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>> it is a government problem honestly more than a president obama problem. but he has to be held accountable appointing the head of the g.s.a. so remove that person and see what else he does to reform the agency. it will be a mistake for republicans to put too much in the way of hopes in exploiting these scandals. in 1988 everyone thought that vice president bush was doomed because of of iran scandal which dominated the news for a year and in 1986 republicans complained about the we al gore scandals which implicated bill clinton and al gore and vice president won in 1988 and bill clinton won in 1996 and i come back do what i said this election will be more about building policy going forward than a particular scandal. >>chris: joe? all thank you is right. look, to the extent people have more to distaste of government and more distaste of corruption scandals, et cetera, what does
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not hurt everyone. it would have a bigger impact on congressional races around the country than on the presidency but i do think it the republicans can not try to exploit it too much. >>chris: first, you worked in the white house for almost seven years. did you ever see any signs of a breakdown in secret service discipline especially did you hear anything about agents going on the road before a presidential trip and partying? >> karl: this is one of the most dangerous moments. the secret service be wired up about foreign trips. mark sullivan, the director of the secret service, is an enormously able individual and moved aggressively and repeatedly here. at the end of the day when all of this is known and when all of this has been handled the people who will be most disgusted and angry and upset are the members of the we, the men and women of the secret service.
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this is not up to the standards they hold out for their own agency. it is a terrible blot on the record and i suspect the vast majority of secret service personnel feel that way. >>chris: you never heard of agents particularly on a trip like this? >> they are human beings, after a trip, have a beer or something but not on duty. when you are on a foreign trip you are on duty all time. there is no off hours. you may have a tomb you -- a time you are not active but you are on duty 24 hours a day. >>chris: and now the politics. do you think it is a legitimate weapon or effective weapon to go after the president on this? when i say this, secret service and g.s.a., the sarah palin argument is he is the c.e.o. of the we corporation and it is happening on his watch. karl: every argument in politics generate as counter argument and
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that will be the ordinary american will say, you know what, that going over-the-top. yes, the g.s.a. thing needs to be reformed. yes, there needs to be a top-to-bottom review of this issue at secret service but the republicans will make a big mistake i agree with joe and bill, this is a mistake if the republicans do it. it creates a problem with president obama, but if the republicans try and make this a point in their argument, they are making a big mistake. >>juan: i couldn't agree more. people will look at this with the large sense of, gosh, what is going on not only in washington, dc but the lack of trust in american leadership at this point, from wall street to washington, our culture, but, the idea that somehow president obama is responsible, that is a reach and overreaching at that point and people start to wonder, why are you being so aggressive and attacking someone who as was pointed out, people
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do not see president obama as someone who is personally involved or personally give license to this kind of irresponsible behavior. joe: well it must be apocalypse the four of us agree. >>chris: i take your point to say that the president knew or has specific responsibility for what happened in cartagena but the wild overspending on the g.s.a.'s junkets, even though it is obviously $800,000 as a minuscule part of the overall, but, looking at video does it bolster the argument that the federal government is bloated and you raise taxes and you spend it on this junk. >> this is big government. this is a case for putting in someone in in who will down side. look at all the agencies. why do they have the
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conferences? at a time of austerity? everyone has to have retreats and workshops and team building exercises? maybe they can put that on hold for a few years and down side the agencies, the g.s.a. is supposed to be the agency that makes the federal government more efficient so it is good as part of a antibig government argument if it is not carry today far. karl: we heard early today that caught me by big surprise and that is that neely the executive at center of this had according to senator lieberman been found embezzling --. >>chris: not him, someone under him. karl: this is a dysfunctional agency. they fired the administrator but they should have gone deeper. >>chris: what do you think of the argument to the degree that people are suspect about government and spending and waste and bloated government, that this only feeds into that and to that degree particularly
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with a president who is saying government is going to invest and going is going to solve your problems and you have a challenger who is saying, no, we want to get the government out and let the free market out? >> anyone who is in will be hurt by this, and that applies to the president and it applies to members of the congress and the senate. the problem is, i agree, to try to make this personally the president's fault or to try to take it and somehow blame him for this, that the buck stops here, it will not work and it will backfire on republicans if he tries to make that argument. in the broader sense, absolutely, this is not if for the president or incumbent member of congress for people to look at g.s.a. videos and wondering what is going on in washington. >>chris: karl, what is your feeling at this moment, i assume that you don't know anything because i assume there hasn't
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been anything done, what is your anal says about the vice presidential situation? karl: the fact of matter is, we have a broad range of opportunities on the republican side for mr. romney, for governor romney, and this will be a lock and exhausting process. he will do it right. the woman in charge it is meticulous and detail-oriented. at the end of three or four months governor will have absorbed a lot of information, and i hope he will make the decision on the basis of everyone who has the decision makes it, or should make it, which is who would be the best partner to whom not oval office, whose judgment, whose abilities, whose talents and communication skills would augments his ability and who would the country have confidence in. >>chris: and we looking out specifically to someone who could help you win a state, a
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demographic choice, perhaps pick a hispanic because we are in trouble with hispanics. >> the principle ought to be, what helps me govern? the politics ought to be secondary, and there are lots of different abilities that people could bring to the fray, but, first, who will help me got eastern? >>chris: we have to leave it there and we will play this game for what, between now and august. you figure out the math, guys. see you next week. and check out the panel plus, where we pick up with the discussion on our website and we will post a video and make sure to follow us on twitter. up next, we hear from you.
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>> chris: time for comments you posted if to our blogwal as watch. after my interviews with president obama and governor we got a lot of e-mail. gary wrote on one hand you have chris interviewing david axelrod in a lively confrontation it was. on the other hand you have an exchange of information between ed gillespie and chris. marion posted this. gillespie defined the political spot on stating that president obama's campaign a government centered society campaign regarding social government. >> we received a lot of notes about my tribute to my dad.
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gary korbel sent this, i must say this man was moved no tears. thanks for sharing that moment with us. thanks to all of you that sent such kind messages. they have meant a lot to me. next week, joel and victoria osteen who are bringing that their ministry to washington. that is it important today. have a great week. we leave you with one more look at those spectacular pictures space shuttle discovery doing a fly around washington earlier this week. we'll see you next fox ns sunday. >> a news conference wrapping up and authorities in tucson, arizona looking for a six-year-old girl and using the word possible