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war on terror. current threat assessments and potential security gaps when we sit down with a member of the inner circle that planned the bin laden mission, john brennan, the president's chief counter terrorism advisor. then, what is the spiritual state of our union? we will talk about religion and get into key policy issues with two of the country's most popular preachers. it is a "fox news sunday" exclusive. also the obama administration gets another going over in the supreme court. we'll ask our sunday panel what happens if the former constitutional law professor has two of his top domestic priorities is ruled unconstitutional. and our power player of the week. it is all happening at the zoo. all right now on "fox news sunday." >> chris: and hello again from fox news in washington. next week marks the first
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anniversary of that daring night time raid in pakistan when navy seals stormed osama bin laden's compound and killed the world's most wanted terrorist. where do we stand now in the war on terror? to find out we invited the president's chief counter terrorism advisor john brennan to join us. and mr. brennan, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you, chris, good morning. >> chris: before we get to the war on terror i want to ask you about the chinese dissident who has reportedly escaped house arrest. is he under u.s. protection and is he still in china? >> i'm not going to address the issue of mr. chen right now. we are working very closely with the individuals involved in this and so i'm going to leave it to others in the u.s. government who have responsibility for it. >> chris: can you tell me this as a broad matter how does the president balance, on the one hand, h his support for and desire to protect human rights dissidents like chen with on the other hand not wanting to
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damage u.s. relations with china? >> i think in all instances the president tries to balance our commitment to human rights making sure that the people throughout the world have the ability to express themselves freely and openly but also that we continue to carry out our relationships with the key countries overseas and china/u.s. relations is very important. would we are going to make sure that we do this in the appropriate way and the appropriate balance is struck. >> chris: would it be fair to say he is not going to give up chen, sacrifice chen to satisfy the chinese? >> i think it would be fair to say the president has faced similar situations in the past in terms of the balancing requirement. i'm confident that the president and others within the u.s. government are going to be able to find the right way for it. >> chris: forgive me, is he going to protect the security of this dissident chen? >> the president will do whatever he thinks is in the best interest of the united states as well as the fridays individuals involved. >> chris: the fbi and department of homeland security
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issued alerts this week that terrorists may try to strike around the first anniversary next week of the takedown of osama bin laden. how seriously to you take this idea of an anniversary plot and is there any information. >> there is no active plot underway to coincide with the anniversary of the bin laden teakdown but the counter terrorism community is used to making sure that we are as vigilant as possible to guard against any efforts on the part of al-qaeda or other terrorist groups to mark such a day. clearly it was a momentous day in u.s. history and this is something we will make sure that we are not going to let down our guard and stay extra vigilant during this time. >> chris: it is primarily a precaution not that you have specific evidence out there that you are triling to stop. >> being in the counter terrorism business on a regular basis we have reports of threats to u.s. interests and plots to carry out attacks. and it is up to our professionals and the
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intelligence and law enforcement and security environments to track down all of these leads and that is what we are doing right now. >> chris: we heard a lot this week about secret service agents acting wrecklessly in colombia plus, of course, that they may have been doing this for years. as the president's chief counter terrorism advisor how seriously do you take the secret service activity this reckless behavior as isolated as it may have been as a possible lapse in security? >> ththe secret service has doe a tremendous job protecting the president and his family. this is something that the head of the secret service takes seriously. he has taken aggressive and speedy action and actions taken by the individuals involved. by all accounts the security and safety of the president was not compromised as a result of this but mark has put down the law as far as secret behavior and what they need to be doing
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when they are on the trips with the president. >> chris: i guess what i'm asking you as a counter terrorism advisor the prospect of secret service agents taking women they don't know into their rooms and apparently didn't pap in this case but the possibility of classified or security information being in their rooms it would strike me that your hair would have been on fire at what might have happened. >> it raises a number of questions about what actually happened and was there any time that these activities put at risk either classified information or security. there is the investigation that is still ongoing. i think we have satisfied ourselves that there was not a threat at that time to the president. but mark sullivan as i said is focused on this and is going to continue to stay focused on it to make sure that we get to the bottom of what happened as well as maybe other area but also to take the actions going forward that safeguards the president and ensures that everything is done to prevent reoccurrences. >> chris: meanwhile, four current and former tsa screeners arrested out in the los angeles area for allegedly
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taking bribes to allow drugs to be moved through security checkpoints at airports. do you worry that screeners might also take money to allow explosives or terrorists to get through check points? >> clearly we want the people in these positions to fulfill their responsibilities which is to protect the american public and traveling public and so any allegations along these lines going to be investigated thoroughly but also the head of tsa is interested in making sure that he has a workforce that januar understands what tr performance requirements are. he is looking into any allegations of wrong doing, bribery certainly is something that raises a number of concerns whether it be from the standpoint of allowing people in with drugs or that terrorists could take advantage of. the allegations are being pursued and investigated but you unpistol is a first-class andger and leader of tsa and we have every confidence he will get to the bottom of this. >> chris: there have been a lot
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of reports recently and kip pauly raised questions about whether tsa is doing the right job and screen for the right things or whether we have gotten caught up in the bureaucratic ma ras where old ladies and little children are being screened. do we need to take another look at tsa and its screening procedures? >> tsa is continuing to refine and strengthen and make adjustments as necessary. this is something that tsa has done very successfully over the years. our ability to prevent terrorists from coming into the country or getting aboard aircraft is significantly enhance compared to a decade ago and so therefore john pistol is looking at these procedures and he will continue to refine them and if we have to make the adjustments to make sure that we are not preventing people from getting on planes in a speedy fashion but also optimizing our are ability to stop terrorists this is what he is dedicated to doing. >> chris: the obama administration refused to allow
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any pictures, any videos from the bin laden raid a year ago to be made public. in fact, you just won a case in federal court to continue to keep those kinds of pictures and videos under seal. why. in. >> well, first of all there is no doubt whatsoever that ben laden is dead. i think by all accounts it was a successful raid on that compound. what we don't want to do is to put out anything that is going to unnecessarily in cited emotions on this issue. these photos were confirmation for the government that it was bin laden and so therefore we believe that it is unnecessary to put something like that out. >> chris: i want to follow up on that. i would like to show you a video that the obama campaign has just started running. take a look at this, if you will. >> he took the harder and the more honorable path and the one that produced in my opinion the
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best result. >> chris: if the president is so concerned about not inciting violence against americans putting for instance our soldiers in theater under threat why make it such a big deal in his reelection campaign? >> i don't do politics. i'm not in involved in the campaign. the president made the decision for the raid when it was confirmd that bin laden was there. i'm providing the president the advice and counsel i can to make sure that we are going to destroy al-qaeda as an organization. >> chris: if you felt that kind of video was dangerous and could be your own words incite terrorism against americans i'm sure you could tell the president to cool it. >> does that video concern you?
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>> i will provide advise to the president directly. the advice i provide to the president is private advice that i give to him. >> chris: do you think it is fair to suggest as that video does that mitt romney wouldn't have approved the raid to take down bin laden. >> the president made the appropriate decision for the american people when authorized the raid in islam bad. >> i understand and he deserves all credit for that. >> chris, i don't do politics. i'm not a democrat or republican. i do whatever i can to help the president keep the american people safe. >> chris: one year after the raid where are we in the war on terror and how big a threat are at this point al-qaeda central al-qaeda in yemen and the lone wolf terrorists in this country. >> we degraded the organization as we have taken off the battlefield the founding leader. we are determined to destroy that organization. that continues to require to us maintain the pressure on
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al-qaeda whether in pakistan, afghanistan as well as in yes then. we are clocking closely with the yemen partners on a daily basis. kale aid as an intertent as well as ability to try to carry out attacks against our nation with the underwear bomber and the printer cartridge effort. we will continue to focus on degrading that organization inside of yemen until it is destroyed as well. the lone wolf or lone actor phenomenon is something that we continue to be mindful of and also vigilant about. working on a daily basis the fbi is coordinating their efforts with local law enforcement here. we are working with our partners overseas. so the internet provides a ready opportunity for terrorist organizations to be able to try to recruit and incite individuals to care arery out those individual attacks. >> chris: the president has given the cia and military
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greater lee way to launch military drone strikes against suspected al-qaeda terrorists or on rate ives in yemen where you say is the ratest source of concern now. even if we don't know exactly who they are. signature strikes because they may have the signature but not the specific identity that they are involved in nefarious deeds. there are reports that you were concerned about giving greater leeway because you were concernd that we might not know who some of these people were. we might hit people who weren't involved and this might become a recruiting tool for al-qaeda. >> the drones the remotely piloted vehicles is a tremendously capable tool to use against the terrorists abroad. it it has capability to monitor their activities. it provides a good insight to the up tell against analysts and on raters in terms of intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance. it has the capability to carry out strikes as well. we we are doing this we are
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doing it in full cooperation with our partners internationally. this is something that the president has told us we need to work closely with these partners and so in yemen in particular these groups and al-qaeda and in particular are determined to kill americans around the president has said we are going to do whatever we can to stop them from taking more american blood. >> chris: i want to finally take you back to the bin laden raid which was almost exactly a year ago and about put up two pictures because you were at the center of all of the action. this is the moring of april 29, exactly a year ago today in the diplomatic reception room of the white house when the president told just four of you and we highlighted you there on the right it is a go. he was going to go ahead and order the raid. and then there is a picture that we can put up and this is the small room off the situation room where you and the president and the war cabinet watched as the raid went down. what is your most very individual memory of this is
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year ago? >> that day i think will live in all of our memories for the rest of our lives and that day was a particularly solemn day for all of us that gathered in the h hit room. my thoughts went back and forth between being focused on the mix, concern about the security of our special forces as well as doing everything possible to make sure the mix was a success. at the same time it was a day of reflection on all of the victims whose lives were taken by bin laden and the al-qaeda organization. many of us have lost friends. i lost teammates from my high school baseball team. an fbi friend. it is something that i think was overdue and i'm glad we seized the opportunity when we had it so that bin laden could kill no more. >> chris: and picking up on that i understand when you went up to new york last september for the 10th anniversary of 9/11 that you were give and
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bracelet. >> i wear it to this day. i look at it on a regular basis so that is reminds me of what we need to do to prevent another tragedy like that from happening to make sure that american families and the families of others throughout the world are not going to experience the pane and sorrow that bin laden brought on them. it is a way to keep me going as well as to make sure that when teams get tough i am going to continue to stay focused on the job that the president has asked me to do and i'm determined to do that. >> chris: mr. brennan, we want to thank you so much for are coming in. thank you for talking with us. thank you for your 15-20 years of work to hunt down bin laden. the world is a better place without him. >> chris: up next, america's most popular preachers on their controversial and positiveot message of hope. ever because they don't take it with food.
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>> chris: on sunday, tens of thousands of people will pack national's park here in washington but not for a baseball game. they will come for america's night of hope an inspirational event put on by joel osteen. >> you are going to become everything god has created you to be and you are going to have everything god intended for you to have. >> chris: he is pastor of the nation's largest congregation, lakewood church in houston with more than 40,000 members and his weekly service on television reaches more than 10 million households. >> i know i'm looking at the mighty men, the mighty women right now of faith. you are historymakers. >> chris: joining us now are
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the pastors of lakewood church and two of the most influencual spiritual figures in this country joel and victoria osteen and welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> great to be with you, chris. >> you have been holding the nights hope around the country. tens of thousands of people coming out to hear your message. what are you trying to tell them. >> i'm trying to let people know even though there are difficult times in the country that god is good and on our side and nothing we face is a surprise to them and when you keep your faith in him you have can have peace even in these difficult times. >> chris: and looking at it from the point of sue of so many people coming out in this particular case on a saturday night. why? >> i think everybody wants to be encouraged. you know, you want to be encouraged. you want to know there is a future, there is a hope and we hear a lot of negative things in life that this doesn't -- it is not just isolated and i just think people resonate it resonates with them to be encouraged and to be able to
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look at their future and know there is something to look forward to. >> chris: let's talk about that because this gets to a little bit of controversy about your ministry. joel, your critics say what you offer is a prosperity gospel, you can be a better parent and have a better career and critics say you are more of a motivational speaker than you are a pastor. >> the fact is, chris, i do want to motivate people and want them to be a better parent and overcome an addiction and leave their past behind. i don't take that as a criticism that i want to motivate people but everything that i teach is based out of the scripture. i grew up a preacher's kid and my gift is to talk about every day life. sometimes they say it as prosperity gospel but i believe we are supposed to excel. it is not about getting rich. it is about letting the seeds of greatness that god has put inside to come out. we were taught to be a christian you have to be poor
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be defeated. that is not the view i have of god. i believe he he wants us to be the best in life at whatever we do. a great parent. a great business person. a great college student. >> chris: how do you do that? >> do that one by living by the principles in the bible. one thing you got to see yourself the right way. if you feel guilty because of past mistakes and live with the wrong self-image you will never rise up and be who god has created you to be. much has to do with our attitude and the words we speak. justin mckee tryinnot just tre, to be blessed every day. joel doesn't talk a lot about the devil and doesn't talk a lot about hell and doesn't talk a lot about sin. aren't those all important parts of religion?
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>> i think he does talk about that. he talks about it from a different angle. instead of saying you did bad today you sinned, you this, he just says you can do better. you can work hard. you can be focused. you can be disciplined. it is almost saying it in everse. when i talk to my kids and want to encourage them and inspire them to do better. i don't beat them down for doing wrong but inspire them to do right. that is what jesus did. he always pointed people in another direction. he never beat them down and never defeated them. >> chris: wait a minute, jesus could be tough. >> one specific time he was tough is he got really angry when the merchants were in the temple and got really tough then but i think the principle was they were using the gospel to gain and so what were they going to do with that i don't know but that did upset him but very rarely did he lash out. he was always among the people.
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he wasn't held up in the synagogue or in the temple. he was always walking among the people. he was always reaching out to people. he was always touching them and making them better than when they were before. that is kind of what i feel like our message does is we are not denying that we can do wrong but we are focusing on what can we do right. it is the goodness of god the bible says that leads people. >> chris: you generally stay away from politics certainly more than a lot of preachers do. last time you said i want to grow the people who listen to me, i don't want to divide them and subtract. you are here in washington this week and meeting with poll texs. i will ask you about the issues that confront the country. there are a lot of hispanics in our congregation in houston. what do you think? how should we deal with the illegal immigrants in this country? >> i wish i knew the answer, are chris. it is so complicated.
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i'm on the side of mercy but i think we have to secure our borders and i know both sides of the argument. i don't know the answer. but i'm always going to follow on the side of mercy. especially the ones i know that grew up here and were born here. i don't know what the right thing to do is but my heart is out to them. >> chris: to amnesty is not a dirty word to you? >> i don't know that that is the answer but i haven't heard of a great solution yet. it is so complicated. like somebody said we can't pack up 12 million and tell them to leave. and then i don't know if it is right to say here is 12 million that came here illegally. i wish i knew a good answer but i don't. >> is being gay a sin? >> i believe the scripture says that being gay is a sin. every time i say that i get people that say you are gay hater and basher. i don't dislike anybody. gays are some of the nicest kindest most loving people in the world but my faith is based
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on what i believe the scripture says and that is the way i read the scripture. >> chris: do you think gays should have any of the rights of heterosexual couples, civil unions, marriage? >> i don't think we should discriminate against anybody. i don't think there was an issue where somebody couldn't visit a gay individual in the hospital. i don't think that is right. i'm not for gay marriage but i'm not for discriminating against people. >> are more are months of true christians?ke mitt romney >> they are followers of christ. i don't believe mormonism is traditional orthodox christianity. i go back to when i hear mitt romney and some of my mormon friends say i love jesus he is my saviour and i believe he was raised from the dead and they follow the teachings of the bible and i'm not looking to exclude them and push them out. >> chris: victoria, what do you
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think of the president, president obama saying that religious institutions, not churches but hospitals, charities should as a mandate have to provide insurance coverage that includes contraception even if that is against their teachings? >> well, you know, i just -- i hate to get to the point where people mandate. this has always been a democracy, people vote. so it is difficult for me to say say, that is good. i just think that we as a people should be able to vote on things like that and i'm just not -- i don't really want to be told what to do in any area so i just think it is just like everything else let's just vote on those things and let's just, you know, see. >> chris: it is true of every profession but occasionally and i don't have to tell you and i'm sure i'm not the first to bring this up some televangelist gets in a
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scandal. you are are world famous and make an enormous amount of money because people buy your books. how do you avoid temptation, victor that? >> we stay close to each other as a couple and as a family. and we just -- we just do our best. i just think that staying close together, being connected, communicating. we love each other. we have been married 25 years and two great children and i will think that you just can do your best. and we really search our heart every day. we pray. we ask god to help us. you know, it may look big and grand but really we are just two people. we are ordinary people. it is kind of we pinch ourselves. it is hard to believe. we are grateful for the influence that god has given us but just trying to. >> chris: bring joel in. lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. how do you keep from losing
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your way? >> we start off every morning individually and together at times just to search your own heart. i learned from the mistakes of the past from ministers. many of these ministers that have fallen they he were friends of ours growing up. i tell myself every day you can come down a lot faster than you went up. i don't feel like i changed in the last 12 years since i started doing this. our focus has never been around money or fame or success. it is about helping people. we continue to go around the world doing it today. >> chris: finally, as you end your week here in washington what is the spiritual state of our union, if you will? and what can we do better? >> i think we can always do better in coming together in unity. it seems like and this is just personal opinion when i grew up tacking more about the government and lawmakers now that there was a little more compromise or maybe that is not the good word but a spirit to work together whereas today i don't feel like i see that as much.
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if somebody can't get 100% that they are not going to be happy and i just don't think that is life. i don't get 100% of what i want. i would love to see the script scripture talks about when you dwell in unity god's blessing is there. the country would be better if we could come together a little bit nor unity. >> chris: victoria and joel osteen thank you so much for bringing your message of hope to this program and to this city because it certainly could use it. thank you both. >> thank you, chris. >> chris: we want to thank the osteens for talking with us earlier. coming up, the obama administration appears to get another supreme smackdown. we will ask the sunday panel what happens in the constitutional law professor in the oval office is suffers two big defeats in june. you can't argue with nutrition you can see. great grains. great grains cereal starts whole and stays whole. see the seam? more pcessed flakes look nothing like natural grains.
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they are playing to the latino community and trying to use the scare card, if you will, to generate a support for elections. >> it is wrong and counter prohe ductive to criminalize people because of their status, their immigration status. >> chris: republican governor january brewer and democratic senator dick durbin with different reactions to the supreme court case this week challenging the arizona crackdown on illegal immigrants. time for four sunday group. brit hume, fox news senior political analyst. liz marlantes. kimber lustrousle and charles lane of the washington post. the court wants to say is is tooys dangerous to read much into the questions the justices ask. there was a widespread perception that they did not think much of the administration arguments in its
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lawsuit to strike down the arizona crackdown just as they seem skeptical of obama care and the individual mandate. let's present a hypothetical. how damaging if in june the court recall to rule that the president was on the wrong side of the constitution both on the arizona law and on obama care? >> i think it is damaging because particularly with regard to healthcare. this is the center piece of his domestic agenda and proudest achievement and if it is struck down by the supreme court it bears the stamp of illegitimacy. it is already unpopular and i would think in the aftermath of that be even more so and i don't think there is now -- there is some three cushion bank shot where people would argue it would take the issue off the table and that would be good for him and so farther, i don't buy that. >> the arizona law might be even more trouble with the court than the healthcare law. i don't think it is as
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important or essential as the healthcare law but i don't think it would help him to have his position on enforcement of the immigration laws resisted by the supreme court. i think that is embarrassing and it also gives -- would give that arizona law a kind of a boost in the public's imagination. >> chris: liz, these are two big issues in american domestic politics and policy. health carolhealthcare, immigre supreme court upholds or goes against him on both isn't that tough? >> on healthcare possibly. i think it will be different for the arizona law. i do think that yes, youville conservatives making the argument and the income pa tense argument saying the former constitutional law presidential hopefuls fesser is on the wrong side of the constitution on all the issues. the arizona law i think there is a good chance if the court rules against the obama administration position that could really fire up hispanic voters and that is something that the president wants and
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needs going into the fall election. we know that he will not wen white voters and he is in trouble with white voters this time around. he needs a bigger charity of the minority and hispanic vote. hispanics will be see in a number of swing states. there is a chance even if it goes against the obama administration there could be political fallout that could be beneficial to them. >> chris: let's talk about the hispanics because the argument is that the president can rally the key block of hispanic voters if the court upholds the arizona law but that may be quite the slam dunk that people think. let's put up the poll. a recent poll found that hispanics are split on the crackdown. 45% want the arizona law uphelded while 43% want it overturned. that doesn't take into account the intensity question. it is not a slam dunk that all of the hispanics want to see the arizona law overturn.
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>> i don't think there is any question that this president has hoped this would be a political hope for him and he has dem m demagogued this issue against the republicans. i think he has a couple of problems. one is the poll that you mentioned which is it is not uniform that all hispanics think that simple enforcement of existing federal immigration law is the problem. two is that the corner stone of the obama argument has been you need to support us because we are going to do comprehensive immigration reform. the problem for the president is he has been all talk and no action on that since he has gotten into office. it has been at the bottom of his priority list and there becomes a point where hispanic voters begin to wonder how seriously he actually takes this. >> chris: the other side of that is mitt romney. let's assume the justices uphold the law, what does mitt romney do. kind of a ticklish question. he is trying to get back in their good graces.
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does he want to campaign and say see, you were wrong, the arizona law is good and that necessarily wouldn't be so good for him in terms of attracting hispanic voters. >> he has already dialed back a little bit the rhetoric involved in the primary campaign. i do think this law is going to be struck down and there was powerful symbolism apropos the latino voters. the justices who asked the toughest questions on this was sonia sotomayor. and she said your argument is not selling well up here. if her vote goes against the administration i think that would help go a long way toward diffusing. >> you are saying it will be struck down or upheld. >> struck down is what i'm saying. >> chris: but she was arguing on behalf of the law. >> no, she was telling obama's
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lawyer. >> they want it upheld. >> yeah. >> the obama people want it upheld. >> chris: no, they want it struck down. >> i'm sorry. >> the lower court's decision. >> i think what i said was the obama position would be struck down. >> chris: are you saying that you think that the court is going to rule in favor or against the arizona law. >> against the arizona law, right? >> no. >> in favor of the arizona law. >> get that clear. >> against the obama position, sorry. >> anyway, i wish we could to take two here. anyway, let me ask a question because it has been suggested, brit, that if the court goes against obama on both of the issues i'm glad we are putting a picture of the court while we put the egg off our face. if the justices rule against obama he could turn the court as an issue and campaign against the conservative court. you got to vote for me because
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there might be openings and i could put more moderate or more liberal people on the court. by a margin of 49% to 38, voters say the court should overturn obama care. they are in favor of overturning obama care. and by an even wider margin 62% to 27 they say the court should uphold the arizona law. so, brit, how effective would it be to run against a court which if it does go against the president in both cases would be on the side of public opinion? >> i think it would be an exceedingly ineffective because of the reasons you cite. the supreme court now enjoys in the public's imagination higher ratings than any other branch of government. more controversial than perhapses it once was but it has positive approval ratings which in washington is remarkable. so i don't think this president comes out well if he is in a pitch battle of some kind or
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picks one with the one institution in town that people mostly respect. particularly after it struck down a couple of positions that he has taken that are rather central to his outlook. >> chris: we will take a break here and hit the reset button. when we come back the campaign pivots to foreign policy and vice president biden leads the attack against mitt romney.
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thanks to president obama bin laden is dead and general motors is alive. you have to ask yourself, had governor romney been president could he have used the same slogan in reverse?
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>> chris: vice president bide then week road testing a possible bumper sticker to use against mitt romney and we are back against the panel. you saw it in the lien from joe biden and also saw it in the obama campaign web video that the discussed with john brennan. the obama campaign not only bragging and quite rightly so about the gutsy decision to take down mit osama bin laden t also suggesting that mitt romney wouldn't have done the same thing. >> romney was basically saying that an obsession with bin laden shouldn't be all there is against the war on terror. there are many organizations and you need to keep that in mind. i would say this about the successful raid that took out bin laden and i think this president will get about as much credit for that in the
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fall as president george h.w. bush did. a huge apurchasal rating anded and huge bumpout of that and he was overwhelmed by the perceived economic conditions of the times that fall and lost on the economy. so i think like that election this one will be fought out over issues related to the pocketbook the economy and to a lesser extent the budget and this fades into the background as voters think about what way to vote. >> chris: i want to pick up what brit said about the romney line that the obama campaign is hanging its hat on and whether or not they are playing fair with that line. the obama campaign points to this sentence and in fact quote it in the web video from romney back in 2007. it is not worth moving heavy and earth and spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person. here is the fall quote. hamas, diverse group, ha
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hezbollah. the full quote does make a difference. >> it does. but romney himself did roll back those comments in the aftermath of that because he got quite a bit of criticism even from within his own party when gave that interview because he did not seem to fully appreciate the importance of killing bin laden, the importance of the symbolism of it, the importance of the justice aspect of it to many americans. he didn't seem to fully get that. and in the weeks that followed that particular interview he did try to kind of roll it back. it was a small mistake and i think it is fair for the obama campaign to bring that quote back. and they didn't say in the ad, they were careful. they didn't say romney wouldn't have made this call. they said you need to ask
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yourself would he have. that is a question that voters need to be thinking about. they want a president who is going to make that call. not every president necessarily would have. i mean bill clinton who narrates the ad famously missed an opportunity to get bin laden. i think it is fair game. >> kim? >> the problem if you think about the romney quote in full is it is most like lie the argument that the outbound administration would be making today had they not killed bin laden. >> chris: but they did kill them. >> the argument has-there fobee for a long team that this is beyond one man. it is important to get the one guy. what are you saying that you stop looking for everyone else because you you are focusing your attention on osama bin laden. the real problem for the president here and i see the temptation of him wanting to talk about this. this is a democrat who has good approval ratings on foreign policy which is unusual. one of the questions for are
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him though is tows he want to get into a big fight with mr. romney about his foreign policy credentials beyond the question of osama bin laden and the other things. does he want to talk about israel and iran and the bomb. >> syria. >> syria and his handling of the arab spring. i don't know if that is a place he wants to go. >> i think it is a place he wants to go. he does have strong foreign policy and national security ratings and the usual republican advantage in that area is not there this year. he is not only quote unquote gotten bin laden he has been using the drones very aggressively across the greater middle east almost ruthlessly. there were a lot of people who probably supported president obama last time around who thought george bush was out of control with torture and so forth and so on. this guy has even taken the position that he can use a drone strike to kill an american citizen abroad. cow can't say he hasn't been aggressive on the war on
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terrorism. i think that will be a hard one for romney to get any kind of advantage. >> chris: go back to the biden opening statement that we played. an effective statement, bin laden is dead and gm is alive. and the argument this president -- forget the question of what romney would have done although obviously he had a different position on general motors. this president made gutsy decisions and killed our big terrorist and kept the u.s. auto industry alive. seems to be a fairly effective point. >> i think it as clever formulation. are i don't think there is any doubt about it. i'm sure that it will delight the hearts of democrats and many of them will put that on a bumper sticker on their cars or refrigerators or whereever they want to put them. however, when it gets down to it, the fact that gm is alive is not a real proxy for the overall condition of the
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economy as voters perceive it. people have a sense about the economy that is rooted in how they are doing, whether they have a good job or a job at all and whether the people they know and the people in their family are similarly situated and that is the dominant factor in my estimate existences. and general motors being alive is something to celebrate perhaps but it is not the thing that would cause people to make a rating in favor of obama on that broader issue of the economy. >> chris: liz? >> i just would say in addition to that we have seen so many times so far in this campaign republicans have been criticizing the president for not running on his record, for trying to run against romney instead of really putting forth what he has done and now they come forward with the ad where he is running on his record and trying to show what he has done and then they don't like that early. i will think the president would be happy to fight this out on foreign policy. i agree with brit i it going to
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be about the economy in the end that will be tricky for him. >> this is the arguement they have been making from the start and what they want the campaign to be about. if he were doing it he would be above the approval ratings he is now. >> chris: we have to leave it there. thank you all, panel. don't forget to check out panel plus where our group picks up with the discussion on our website fox news sunday .com. and follow us on twitter @ fox news sunday. up next, a special power player of the week. when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. [ male announcer ] glucerna hunger smart. a smart way to help manage hunger and diabetes.
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that continuously monitor the heart and rhythm. you chain the gorilla to hold still and they are put under the back so it won't bother them. they trained them to lean back in the enclosure and they can put the sensor over the ilr and download the information and we read it here. it's marvelous. >> chris: if you ever been frustrated by running around to different doctors. >> we have a cardiologist and g.i. specialist and all the specialists. it's like one stop shopping. >> chris: but sometimes she reaches out to regular doctors. when one of the tree kangaroos had a problem. >> sometimes the best is physicians are children's hospitals. >> chris: it's not just clinical care. she advises wildlife
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organizations around the world especially on endangered species. >> she theethe were one of the first groups to use artificial insemination or giant panda the. >> chris: we came across a cheetah which reminded her when she started as student. >> my very first day. i remember thinking, i've done it. i'm a veterinary student and i touched a cheetah. i can go home now. >> chris: but she didn't go home and chief vet here since 2001. she says she knew by the time she was five what she wanted to do. her grandparents owned a farm with lots of animals and then there was the clincher. >> i remember watching the tv show with my dad. it was the national geographic channel with jane goodall on it. i told my father that is what i want to do. >> chris: she brings the same
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sense of wonder to the national zoo. >> your baby. >> pretty much er day we've done something great, something great to help endangered species here and to help them worldwide. that is an impact for me. >> chris: dr. murray says they used to put animals to sleep to treat them but now as with the gorillas they train them to sit still for eye drops. they say they are now a lot more popular around the zoo. that is it for today and we'll see you next fox news sunday. u. >>