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they have been able to shift the dynamics in the campaign all right now on fox news sunday. >> hello again from fox news again in the queen city, charlotte, north carolina site of the democrat iic national convention. our fox news sky box is high up in the home basketball of the charlotte bob katz. happy labor day weekend everyone while this holiday used to signal the start of the fall campaign, both sides have been hitting it hard for months. as democrats prepare to nominate barack obama for a second term we are joined by top strategist david axle rod. welcome to fox news sunday. >> thanks, chris, good to be with you. >> any one who was at the democratic convention in denver four yours ago remembers the

magic there the sense of hope and endless possibilities. how dowry captu -- how do you recapture the magic that week. >> i am glad you have such great memories of that first of all. i share them. i think we are going to have a very good week in charlotte. we don't have the problems that the other party has. we are not divided ch. we don't have to worry about what people are saying on the side about their affection for the president. we don't have those problems and we don't have the reinvention convention. we are a unified party. we believe strongly we have to move this country forward around policies that will lift the middle class that that's how you grow the economy we are going to point the way to the future and everybody is excited about it. >> if that the republican convention romney said the president's real problem is his record. let's take a look at that. >> every president since the great depression who came before the american people asking for a

second term could look back at the last four years and say with satisfaction, you are better off than you were four years ago, except jimmy carter and except this president. >> david, can you honestly say the average american is better off today than they were four years ago. >> here's what i can say. we are in a better position than we were four years ago in the economy in the sense that when this president took office we were losing 600 now jobs a -- 600,000 jobs a month. 4.5 million private sector job, are we where we need to be? no. for three-days they never offered any one a plausible alternative. he spoke for 45 minutes and never offered any real ideas for how to move the economy forward for how to lift the middle

class. in that sense i think his convention was a terrible failure. he never talked about the principle planks of his own plan he never talked about the tax cuts for the wealthy never talked about medicare into a voucher program. there were so many things people didn't talk about people walked away the voters trying to decide what alternative is he offering? >> you keep talking about romney. i want to talk about the obama record. i want to put statistics up on the screen. unemployment was 7.8 percent when the president took office. it is now 8.3 herpercent. median household income -- is now 51,000. gas because 3.78 almost double. it may go past 16 trillion this

week. is the average american better off than four years ago? >> as i said to you before the average american recognizes it's to create the crisis that erupted in 2008 and keep in january 2009 and it's going to take some time to work through it. so you know you say i keep talking about mitt romney. i keep talking about mitt romney because all mitt romney does is talk about barack obama. this election is a choice. what you will sees a president that will present a clear raw agenda for the future that talks about how they build a sound economy and lift the middle class. you didn't hear those kinds of things from the republican party. their platform was locked up as mitt romney's tax return. they don't want to talk about their ideas because their ideas are not ideas about the future. they are a derivative of what we did in the last decade that brought our keconomy to our

knees. >> going back to the president's record he is the one seeking reelection he said if i don't turn this thing around i am a one-term president. 300,000 fewer jobs now than in february 2009. >> every single month for the last 29 months i have heard republicans give that talking point. every month that gets smaller and smaller because we gain 4.5 million in the last 29 months. let's talk specifically about you say people are better off. i think the auto workers whose industry would have collapsed if the president hasn't intervened i think for millions and millions of americans young americans who have healthcare today who wouldn't have had it if the president hadn't acted are better off. i think the millions of people who have been able to renegotiate their mortgages so

they are paying lower interest rates are better off. there are plenty of people in our economy who have been impacted in a positive way. this is not just about reclaiming the jobs we have lost it's about reclaiming economic security the middle class has lost over a long period of time. we are not going to do that with another multi trillion dollar tax cuts for the wealthy not going to do that for a voucher program. that is what they are going to face on november 5th. that is one that will go in the president's favor. >> it is a cliche. elections areal about the future. let's talk about the future and what the president is offering. economic plan to jump start the economy and get more jobs created. 140 billion for new construction and hire first responders. 62 million for benefits and

trained workers. question, how many jobs will that create? >> well, theist mats the inpen daenlt lists have given is that it would immediately give us a million more jobs. we need to take the steps in the short run to accelerate the recovery. we need to take steps to grow the economy in the long run. the question is do we do that by cutting taxes for the wealthy or do we pay down our deficit and invest in things like education and training, research and development, clean energy technology infrastructure. things we know we need to grow the economy. they have a balanced plan for the long-term as well as a plan for the short term. governor romney has neither. if we reinacted the romney plan it would ratchet down the recovery in the short term and balloon our deficits in the long-term. the brookings institute would

raise the tax burden on the middle class by 2,000 dollars. this is not a prescription for building a stronger economy. david i want to focus if we can on the president's plan the chief economist at moodies would create 1.9 million jobs. 24 economists by bloomberg. an 8th of that, that is about 100,000 jobs a month or less which is nowhere near keeping up with the population growth. the point is this doesn't really solve the unemployment problem at all. you would be hard pressed to find anybody increasing taxes for the wealthy isn't going to jump start the economy. >> that is 100 thousand on top of the growth we already have. we are already creating on the

average 300 thousand jobs. most of those folks all of the analysts suggest something we need short term plan but also a long-term plan. the president has a plan that would reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over the next decade according to the congressional budget office and still allow for investments in those things that we need to grow the economy. >> clearly you should go with the person that has a plausible plan. >> david, let's talk about that plan. when does the president balance the budget? >> this is a question paul ryan couldn't answer about the republican's budget. the president's plan would do what the simpson bole plan would do is cut the deficit and reduce the deficits to under 3 percent

of the gross domestic product which is what everybody agrees they need to stabilize the debt. with growth we will be in a position to begin reducing it further. we have a plausible plan here. let me say one thing about this, chris. >> make your point and i will make mine. >> all right. well it's not a point it's a question. the congressional budget office nonpartisan says the president 2013 budget plan never balances the budget. they also say he does nothing to deal with the long-term structural problems of entitlements. if you talk about long-term dealing with our economy and our debt the president never balances the budget. >> as i said to you we agree with simpson and bole and the others look at this what's necessary is to stabilize the debt and then work from there. you can't balance the budget if you do that you would ratchet down the economy. we had a discussion about what's

needed in the short term. >> never in the short term and simpson what wthat was whuyour presidential and you ignore it had. >> the commissioner voted against it because it called for tax increases on upper income americans. >> that isn't why he voted against it he voted against it because it didn't do anything about entitlement. it's a fair point he didn't mention it. it was the president's commissions and he let it die on the vine. >> the party took another position. >> he didn't let it die on the vine. he has a plausible credible $4 trillion plan. the congressional budget office said it was a plausible plan. if it were inacted everyone would have a positive impact.

the reason it won't pass is because the republican party in the congress where mitt romney supports us they won't raise taxes on any one in the country including the super wealthy even by $1. they are not credible on the deficit. paul ryan looked at the debt clock and he made no mention of the fact that he voted for every single one of the policies in the last decade that are at the root of the explosion of the debt, unpaid medicare prescription and drug program they have no standing and it would explode them in the future. $2 trillion more in defense spending and no credible plan to offset those cuts. they would talk about being bold they can talk about facing up to these problems, they just don't do it. >> i would love to do it.

running out of time. many of the polls seem to show romney got a 3-5 point bounce according to one poll he was leading by 3 points he was trailing by 2. what does your poll show in terms of the bounce the republicans got? >> i don't see any bounce. i haven't seen any numbers this morning but through out the week i saw no provememovement. people were looking for answers looking for solutions. what they got were isn't that correcty attacks. people walked away unsatisfied with that convention. they were where they are and now it is our turn. >> in less than a minute where is the race now? >> i think we have a lead in this race. it's a slight lead. it will be a close race. i think we are ahead in all of these battle ground states. there are slight leads in the

battle ground states. i would much sooner be us than them. they expected a close race we are going to have a close race and we are doing everything we can to make our case to the american people. charlotte will be a big part of that. >> david, thank you so much. thank you for talking with us. we will see you down the campaign trail. >> look forward to it. up next chairman of the democratic convention. we will be right back from charlotte. (phone ringing) villaraigosa. good afternoon. chase sapphire. (push button tone) this is stacy from springfield. oh whoa. hello? yes. i didn't realize i'd be talking to an actual person. you don't need to press "0," i'm here. reach a person, not a prompt whenever you call chase sapphire. [ wife ] your dad's really giving him the business... the designated hitter's the best thing to happen to baseball! but it's not the same game! [ wife ] wow, he's really gonna get us a good deal. it's better! no it's not! the pitcher comes up and he's out! [ dealer ] he can bunt! whatever.

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>> chris: and we are back now in the fox news sky box in the time-warner arena here in charlotte. the mayor of one of the na's lar villaraigosa. >> the comblier of one of the nation's largest cities will

have a big role this week. joining us is the chairman of the national democratic convention antonio villaraigosa. you may be the chairman of the democratic convention but you like to say, and i am going to read the quote, you take on stupid wherever it exists. what is stupid will romney and the republicans. >> i don't want to describe either governor romney for t-- e republicans stupid. i will say this. if you look at their platform the 2012 platform it looks like it is from another century maybe even two. it looks like the platform of 1812. when you see that they want to repeal the affordable care act dividing 32 million people with healthcare with no alternative plan of their own they call for the deportation of 11 million people no country in the world has ever done that, they don't

believe in abortion even in the case of rape and incest, it is a platform that is from another century. >> i want to point out it doesn't matter that romney does support the exception for rape and incest. since you take on stupid wherever it exist what is is stupid about obama and the democrats. >> if i wasn't going to call romney and ryan stupid i am not going to call the democrats and president obama stupid. i will say this. i think there are some democrats that don't want to address pension reform. i have taken on senior et and tenure. we have to take on entitlements. the president has done that in this budget. we have to extend medicare and the president has done that but also reinvest in -- >> he doesn't have any major entitlement reform. >> well, he has made it

absolutely clear he's prepared to work on a bipartisan basis to address things like social security even though. >> but he has had four years to do that. >> any time he tries to work with them they listen to senator mcconnell. what does he say? his number one issue is to block the president d- -- >> he had a filibuster proof majority in the senate and majority in the house. >> he was dealing with the biggest recession the worst hemorrhaging of jobs since the great recession. you are not going to get me to say that democrats don't make mistakes. we do. i mentioned two areas of pension reform in seniority and tenure. i have advocated for both. i have advocated for reform as well. we are not a homogeneous party any more than the republicans are. but we are a party that i think

has a plan to take us forward. if you look at the republican plan it is a plan that wants to resurrect the bush tax policies and economic policies that got us here in the first place. >> let me interrupt for a second. put aside the attacks on romney. let's look at the president's record. he is looking for reelection. 8.3 percent unemployment, 23 american out of work are unable to find full-time jobs, $5.3 trillion added to the debt. why does a president with that record look for reelection? oo because he created 4 and a half million jobs more in his tenure than all of the jobs during the bush administration. why? because he has a plan to cut $4 trillion o $4 trillion in the next decade out of our deficit.

he has a plan to extend medicare by 8 years. he has a plan that will say let's take taxes on the top 2 percent of america back to where they were under president clinton what they had an economy that created 23 million jobs and importantly it started with deficits and ended with sir pluses. >> okay. you talk about addressing the long-term problems. let's take one example. the president appointed the boles simpson commission. a plan to take $4 trillion out came out with the recommendations, the president ignored the recommendations and let them die. you said you would have voted for boles simpson. the president passed. >> we passed it as a template as

a framework for moving forward. the president has done the same. you talked about the republican convention. he rea ryan reads that as well. he was a member of the commission but didn't vote for it. >> it's the president's commission he did nothing with it. >> he is cutting 4 trillion out of this deficit. >> in a way it will not fly. >> he didn't have mr. ryan's support. you are right it wasn't exactly reflective of mr. -- >> it did have republicans and democrats as well. not enough of them. it should have had a unanimous support for it as a framework not for everything in it and what the president has done adopted 4 trillion cuts in the next ten years. he didn't want to cut defense as much he went beyond in terms of

tax cuts in the middle class. he preferred closing tax loopholes and importantly allowing the bush tax cuts to expire for the top two percent. you have to build the economy from the middle out not from the top down. >> bush 41 called that voo doo economics. this is voo doo economics on steroids. >> reagan had better growth rate and lower unemployment. >> reagan would be turning in his grave to hear some of the words come out of the people of the republican convention. >> i wonder what he would feel about this group. >> he wouldn't be too happy either. >> talk about the hispanic vote which may play a key role. you can't bring a brown space with hispanic surname but they

have two hispanic the democrats have won including marco rubio is one of the rising stars of the republican party. that's more than tobing aneurysan -- tobing c tocan ism. >> i thought martinez and rubio gave the two best speeches of the convention. marco rubio was incredible. i wasn't directing my comments toward him. he agreed with me. only thing he said if that applies to the republicans it applies to the democrats. i don't disagree with that. he has a party platform that causes for the deportation for 11 million people. he didn't have martinez and marco rubio they had crishris ck author of arizona law.

when you have the kind of rhetoric that they have the scape goats that demonizes immigrants the way they do when they talk about the affordable care act 9 million of the 32 million who would qualify for the affordable care act is latinos. >> you talk about rhetoric let's talk about the economic record when it comes to hispanics. unemployment is 10.3 percent. it hasn't been below 10 percent for hispanics since this president took office. when you include discouraged workers unemployed and under deployed it is 19 percent for hispanics. that is a record it run for reelection? >> not testing your numbers what you didn't say is his policies brought 2 million latinos out of poverty. his policies making it easier for kids to get student loans

allowed 150,000 kids to get a college education. it is the worst economy since the recession. we had 29 straight months of private sector job growth 4 and a half million jobs we have to do a lot more. if we keep down this path we will create 11 million more jobs this year. >> that's what romney said, too. >> four years ago obama had 67 percent of the owe bvote mccain percent. what do you think this time? >> i think it will be closer somewhere close to 67 and 70. i don't see them getting much more beyond that. i do agree with this, we have our work cut out for us. this will be a very close election. we have the most comprehensive and deep effort we have ever seen. this convention is not only going to be the most diverse open and accessible.

it is going to be a working convention. >> why do you think it will be such a tough election? >> it will be a tough election for a lot of reasons. one everybody is divided and has been for a long time. we had a badder year in 2008. we are not going to have that time of year this time around. they have a lot of money. they are raising over a billion 3 in these super paks engaged in a smear. in the end i think we are going to win. >> mayor we have to leave it there. thank you for joining us. >> president obama campaigns his way to charlotte. we will ask what he and his party has to do here to boost their chances for another victory in november as we continue from the tight of the democratic national convention. [ male announcer ] while many automakers are just beginning to dabble with the idea of hybrid technology,

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>> they offered over those three-days was more often than not an agenda that was better suited for the last century. it was a rerun. we had seen it before. you might as we will have watched it on a black-and-white

tv. >> president obama at a campaign stop saturday offering his review of the republican convention. it is time for our sunday group. brit hume fox news senior political analyst, kirsten powers of the daily beast web site. bill crystal from the weekly standard and jeff zelany of the new york times. the big challenge for president obama may not be how he compares to mitt romney but how he compares to barack obama of denver in 2008. is that possible? >> no, i don't think that is possible. it will be a very different kind of convention. i am sure they will have an uplift and sense of hope for the future. the president burdened this by the record the entire interview with david axle rod and mayor it came to an attack on the other

side. i think that will be a big part of what we hear this week. i think a central argument you will hear by many of the speakers perhaps the president himself certainly bill clinton is all of the republicans want to do is take us back to the policies that got us in this mess before. i think there's an argument but i think it is an effective argument one that the republicans haven't found a way really to counter. >> kirsten is hope and change the promise of denver 2008 dead? >> i don't think so. i think it will be a different convention obviously. obama is talking about the republican convention as a rerun. you have lived through this before you don't want to go through it again. that's what he said on his latest campaign stop. there will be a lot of that and laying out of what he wants to do in his next term. i think they will focus a lot on foreign policy that's an area he

is very strong and has a lot of approval that's not the issue americans are necessarily voting on it does reinforce they see him as a strong leader. >> let's talk about the republican attacks on the president and how they have to deal with it. what's interesting is the republicans didn't attack obama so much as they shared the disappointment of people who voted for obama a few years ago and don't think they got what they hoped and expected they would get. how big is that an issue to deal with the disillusionment of obama voters? >> i think the democrats and obama will personally say he understands people's dispintment. he knows that things haven't quite improved as much as they should have but he will say they

were in october. republicans perhaps underestimate. the potency of that argument by president obama things haven't been great if he were less vain he would do better to acknowledge he made mistakes mayor villaraigosa has about the economy. he would say what is the worst moment? september, october, 2008 where it looked like we were going off the cliff. who was president then? it wasn't me. it was george bush and the republicans. that is a strong argument. i hadn't quite improved as much as i hoped but a lot better than the alternative. if they can characterize the alternative as back to bush. >> how from your reporting how concerned are they in chicago the headquarters about the obama campaign. the row pub c republicans were focused on the obama voters who

were on the bubble. how much of a concern is that group, that voting block and the disillusionment they feel? >> i think it is a central concern. chicago headquarters are focused on the obama voters, too. they are trying to motivate much more than persuade people. one thing president clinton is trying to do is kick that permission slip away that governor romney is trying to get people, he liked president obama four years ago he supported him, here's your permission to vote against him. everything wasn't as rosie but stick with him. >> around columbus, ohio and cleveland in cincinnati the women chicago is paying extreme attention to them. here in the north carolina it's all of the obama voters who are at the center of it.

i think the president will probably do his best humble act we have seen. >> humble act by president obama? what do you mean humble? >> saying i was not able to do everything i hoped to do. i think he will try to make these democrats feel better about themselves and to give them the chance for four more years. there will be a little bit of humility. i am not sure how much hue millionity he has in his veins. >> you heard axle rodd and mayor villaraigosa. there is unemployment over 8 percent. the national debt will exceed $16 trillion this week. how do they handle that? >> i think they can do a much better job. he has had some successes. they don't really talk about them. he el ludz to the auto bailout. he needs to talk more about

specific needs that have gone well. majority of economists say without stimulus we would be in worse shape than we were. i think it matters where we started out. they shouldn't be labor it or mention george bush's name. they should remind people he has dug us out of a pit we are in the right track you don't want to change horses mid stream. if you go back to the republicans you are going to go back to whyou had before. >> i think that constitutes a significant challenge for the republicans.s it's not easy to ask people who voted one way a few years ago making a significant change to say to themselves, gee, i made a mistake. there are some republicans who voted for obama. i don't think he will get any of them. almost none. among voters and independents

thighs are the people who about a decide this election. if the argument is made this is a new direction this is back to the same old policies that people think brought us into this under president bush p buzz ep the president. there are a lot of things wrong with this. the worst of the recession was over by the time barack obama took office. the economy began to grow again in june 2009 before the stimulus spending had really begun to take effect. these are arguments available to the republicans. that leaves us open for the president. >> how tough do you expect the attacks on romney to be. where will they hit the hardest? >> it wasn't the scene two weeks ago the republican war on women. speeches by senior democrats. i don't think i heard that

phrase from axle rod or mayor vil rosa. the republicans half believed it was a threat they simply rolled out the republican convention we love women we are not engaged in a war on women. i wonder if that was a little bit of a miss hit. they go with the economic argument. cutting taxes to the wealthy. that will be the core argument not the social issues, i suspect. >> the thing i want to finish off on president obama's speech is the head liern. it is a close second for a lot of us is bill clinton's speech on wednesday. what do you expect him to say and what does in that never ending soap opera what does that say about the relationship between president obama and president clinton? >> it is the most fascinating part of this.

there is no chance he would be speaking in a prime spot. vice president biden is introducing the president sort of on thursday. bill clinton has to be loving this. nieceded by his par-- he is nee by his party again. he is going to sort of give his seal of approval or try to give his seal of approval to this president on the economy. all of that may not matter. friday morning nine hours after president obama gives his speech the new jobs report comes out. that is going to bring reality back into that. >> when we come back how did the romney ryan ticket do at their convention in tampa? will they shift the dynamics of the race. we will find out when we come back from charlotte.

he made a lot of >> he made a lot of promises. i note he didn't keep a lot of promises. one of the promises he made was he was going to create more jobs. and today 23 million people are out of work or stopped looking for work or are unemployed. between 0-23 million you say it's time to get a new coach. >> that was mitted romney saturday pressing his attack on president romney's record the last four years. there hasn't been much polling since the republican convention. the rasmussen poll indicates a modest romney bounce. a week ago he trailed the president by two points. now he leads by 3 points. britt? what do you make of that?

>> the thing about that is the ryan announcement preconvention you think of a convention that had a huge bounce. one of the biggest was four years ago when the sarah palin announcement her performance into and in the convention gave the mccain team a lift and propelled them into a significant lead, completely stepped on the bounce from the obama convention. if ryan had been announced on the eve of the convention gave the speech he gave i think the effect would have been bigger and but i think he got a little help they came up in the polls after ryan. part of it was spent. the other thing is the coverage is so diminished in the length of time that is on every where. 10-11 is one hour a night really. the convention was slunk to 3 nights and so on.

we are in a new age here. >> now and since 2004 this has been the case where you have the two conventions one right next to another with three-days not a month separating them is the whole idea of a convention bounce outdated? >> yeah, it's some what outdated but the average is about 5 points. so this is around what you would have expected. this is a very, very polarized electorate. i wouldn't have expected a huge bounce anyway. most people already kind of know where they are. but routers there was an increase among independents from 34 percent to 5 percent which is not a significant thing on romney's like ability. that was the key goal in this convention was to convince people that he was more likeable. people already think he is competent. in that case it was successful.

>> what did romney need to do in tampa and to what degree did he succeed? >> i think he did what they thought he need to do do. the question is their theory was a we could afford to make this a backward looking judgment. you would fire the coach if you were 0-23 million. you don't need to do that much of an affirmative case. you make it clear to people obama has been a dispintment. they did a pretty good job on that. i thought thernd do/* they shou do a forward looking they asked to pass judgment on the next four years. st kirsten is right reassuring people about mitt romney. he is a likeable guy a generous guy. that is enough plus the case against obama. they have a convention to fit with their theory of the race. if you believe and i am more incline to do believe you need to actually convince voters by

making a positive case for the romney ryan ticket. there was much less of that. >> do you believe he offered a credible reassuring alternative f for president and is that enough? >> i don't think we quite know at this point. talking to democratic strategists for focused being the romney speech they believe his introduction of himself all of these personal qualities from the speech on tuesday with mrs. romney giving a powerful testimonial all of the way through. they believe it filled in govrnl another romney in a positive -- governor romney in a positive way. they are not sure what he is going to do. that answers the question. bill may be right. if the romney campaign in the next 65 days or whatever it is does not add things more to it

and what more would he do? the chicago headquarters david ox elrod believe what had he said. it was a sfientd of introducing mitt romney a little bit more humanizing him am. it made him a more broader humanized figure if we can use that word humanized. >> people think the guy is an arm dillow. they were trying to do with the speakers with romney. you saw this in christie and some of the governors who spoke. you heard this in paul ryan to address this disillusionment people have about whether things can be fixed which is greater than what i think we have ever seen. the line ryan repeated we can do this. we can do this which is

striking. it was a burden on them they thought because we are going to make this big switch and you have to believe that that party and the country can turn this all around. >> i p want to go back jeff to something that you brought up in the last segment. we had an argument about this during the commercials. that is friday the jobs report comes out for august. this is one of the second to last report we are going to get on the economy before the election. what is the idea to muffle or enhance the bounce of democrats get out of here? >> i am not sure it effects it for sure. the political convention creates their weather system. i was talking to you this past weekend 12-hours later it gives after he speaks the jobs and he

says it is 9 hours laterment the romney campaign is focused on the jobs report number. i would think there has to be a dramatic shift but it pops the balloon and changes the news coverage for that friday. it's the reality of what is happening in the campaign. that friday number is important. i am not sure it changes things but it sort of brings everyone back to ground level. >> romney camp certainly agrees with that. they mitt romney used the word jobs 25 times. he didn't mention afghanistan. didn't mention the troops. didn't thank the troops for their service. he mentioned debt twice. didn't mention the supreme court. >> this is a very conscious tactical decision. in my view it is maybe a little narrow for a presidential message. >> why didn't they? because they must have known

they were not doing it and they were going to get attack on them. why not mention the afghanistan and the troop as soon as>> the war is unpopular. romney thinks differently romney would keep them longer and people don't like that. >> why wouldn't it be exit strategy of the enemy everybody agrees in the republican camp is a mistake. >> why not say our gratitude for the men and women who fought over there in afghanistan and iraq. on the jobs numbers i think it was a little over stated the effect. people are much more in tune with how they feel fwhings. they don't tell them there aren't enough jobs they already know that. one thing i would not underestimate is bill clinton's speech. it is the most anticipated speech more than obama's or romney's was. i wouldn't underestimate that good house keeping seal of

approval from bill clinton and the effect it has son so many voters. >> good house keeping. >> that is so remarkable because you look at these two presidents the early trajectory were similar big help am biambition d big healthcare. with clinton it never passed. washout in the mid term election. clinton took the opposite decision from the one that obama made. bill clinton made a big turn to the center worked with the republicans made concessions like mad on budgetary and tax matters all of the things that barack obama had the opportunity to do but refused to do. clinton when he was up for reelection the economy was moving wasn't moving as much as it would soon come to but it was strong. he won reelection overwhelmingly. nothing like the kind of trouble this president is in for

reelection. my sense about this is i trust that people will notice that these presidents took entirely different courses. i suspect it will certainly be pointed out. >> 15 seconds, jeff. how much do you think bill clinton's approval watches over and helps barack owe bam paw? -- obama? >> i think it helps in places like ohio. if you look at what he did in 08 he expanded the map. we will see if he can speak to voters who are unsure about him. it is an piticipated no questio. >> thank you panel see you next week doochlt forget to check out panel plus where our group gets up with a discussion on the web site fox news sunday.com. we will post a video before noon eastern time. make sure to follow us on fwi r twitter at fox news sunday. i will be back with a personal note. " music: "make someone happy" ♪it's so important to make someone happy.♪ it's so important to make meone happy.♪ ♪make just one heart to heart you - you sing to♪

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