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after he allegedly broke into a florida home. hear how a teenager, home all alone managed to stop him. it is all "happening now." new information on the deadly plane crash in san francisco today as investigators say asiana airlines flight 214 may have been flying too low and too slow when it attempted to land. he will tell you. he is a pilot. you can't do that. good to have you everybody, i'm jenna lee. >> airspeed is your friend. i'm swoon scott. we look at the damage the plane suffered. amazingly 305 of the 307 on board survived this crash landing. we're getting a first look inside of the boeing 777. mingle the seats. charred walls. oxygen masks left dangling from the ceiling. moments before the crash air
traffic controllers were trying to communicate with pilots. listen. >> 214, emergency vehicles are responding. >> 44. >> asiana, emergency vehicles are responding. everyone is on their way. >> amazing stories continue to emerge from the aftermath. one describing the kay why is on board the plane. >> the first bump was not scary. once weapon got sideways, and feet tall position and getting scared. >> there were people hurt. lag luggage and everything fell. everything fell apart. people were trapped climbing over stuff to get out. jon: there is plentynew information to get to this morning. house house live at san francisco international airport right now. what are we learning from the ntsb, the national transportation safety board, adam? reporter: john, they're confirming what a lot of
eyewitnesses said t was coming in low and slow. they gave out basically a timeline that really describes the last seven seconds. everything seemed fine when it was on short final and cleared to land here in san francisco. but seven seconds out the crew first realized they were coming in too slow. over the course of the next seven seconds it evolves to the point where the, the handles shaking the way they fly the plane of course. they tried to abort the landing but it was too late. as a part of that the crew has given a couple of details so far but the ntsb plans on meeting with crew today, speaking with them as well as as the pilots. but earlier today, on fox news channel they were talking about, that talking about the plans for this investigation to go forward by talking with the crew. take a listen. >> so we do want to interview all four of those pilots. we want to understand who was the pilot flying. who was the pilot in command at the time of the event and what was going on.
we hope to interview them today. so far we've been getting good cooperation. we don't expect to have any problems but we do want to make sure we're able to talk to them. >> reporter: that is important part of the investigation very obviously. there are reports that a pilot was flying who had a lot of hours but had only 43 hours in this type of jet and the first time he landed this 777 here in san francisco. they have to make sure that is true report that is the past investigation. by interviewing pilots and the crew they will be able to clarify, that jon. jon: the stories of survivors are really something, huh? >> reporter: every time you read something that is inbelievable. one of the flight attendants talked about how one of the chutes deployed inside the plan. he had to cut it out. they used xacto knives to cut people out of seatbelts. a woman and her 4-year-old son were in the plane and when the
plane landed and she turned around where the bathroom would be and the entire plane was gone. thankfully her and her son survived. he did have a broken leg. these stories of survival jon, are coming out and single one seems to be remarkable. one thing the ntsb says, first-responders they did a great job here. one. most important things they did was the at this age. they were able to quickly dissect the people an separate them out. who needed to be treated first. who needed to be treated last and who could wait and make sure people that needed to be treated and got to hospitals right away. that save ad lot of lives. jon: testament to the aircraft that is held together. >> reporter: absolutely. jon: adam housley, thank you. we'll speak to a former director of the nstb. he has looked at crashes like this in the past. what agents might be looking for right now.
jenna: quite a day when it comes to news and plane crashes. we have the information on the deadly air crash in alaska killing all 10 people on board. rick leventhal is in the newsroom with all this rick? >> reporter: this was less than 24 hours after the asiana crash in san francisco. the deadly air crash in alaska worst in that state in 25 years t happened southwest of fairbanks. commuter plane crashed killing the pilot an all nine passengers on board. the aircraft, the otter was fully engulfed in planes when responders first arrived. three miles from the airport. the fire captain said they could see a big black plume of smoke immediately after the incident when they headed to the scene. took them 10 minutes to put out the fire as you can see is on the side of the runway. all 10 victims were still inside the plan. an ntsb go-team left washington
to investigate the crash. the company confirms that the crash was flown i about the firm's owner. remains of the victim's were sent to the state medical examiner office in anchorage. alaska no stranger to plane crashes. there have been several already this year in a state where many choose to fly because of driving it's, very difficult there because of the limited road system and pilots face tremendous hazards and treacherous mountain passes and volatile weather. too soon to say what went wrong on sunday. jenna. jenna: rick, thank you. jon: there is growing fall out in america's hunt for nsa-leaker edward snowden as the president of bolivia urges european nations to push back against the united states. learning after faulty intel led investigators to suspect snowden was on a his presidential plane. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge is live in washington. what is the latest on this snowden saga, catherine? >> reporter: thank you, jon and food morning.
the presidents of venezuela, bolivia and nicaragua offering asylum to the nsa leaker entering the third week in russia report he hadly still in the transit zone of the moskow airport. cuba is likely transit zone from moscow to central or south america. it is significant that the cuban president is signaling he is supports the decision to help edward snowedden. we have new information from daniel ellsberg who leaked the pentagon papers on snowden during the vietnam era writing in the washington post. that snowden did the right thing by fleeing the country. 30-year-old contractor would be in custody pending trial unlike ellsberg. i hope his revel ageses will spark a movement to rescue our democracy but he could not be part of that movement if he stayed here. there would be zero chance of bail if he returned now, and close to no chance had he not left the country would he be granted bail.
robert menendez is calling for trade sanctions that any country that takes snowden at this point. jon: turns out snowden might still be able to travel. >> reporter: based on a review of these documents that asked the venezuelan government to hold snowden before your honoring him to the u.s. it appears he may have a way around the revocation of his passport. according to the documents snowden's passport was revoked last month the same day criminal charles were unsealed in a criminal court. documents warn venezuela that snowden may have a second u.s. passport to travel on. it reads in part, on 22nd of june, 2013, that passport was revoked. snowden may have be in possession of another passport the number is redacted that he previously reported as lost or stolen. a london advocacy group filed a formal complaint against the nsa and equivalent in britain, the gchq for allegedly each other's citizens and sharing that information without any
meaningful legal oversight, jon. jon: the chase goes on, the hunt for, i guess, i guess we know where he is. >> reporter: not. of a hunt really. jon: catherine herridge thank you. jenna: still feels that way until we actually see him in some sort of custody, right. jon: still stuck in the who is could you airport and well -- jenna: we've been in airports before. not the ideal place. we'll see what happens next. meantime check out this story. a quick-thinking teen survives an endown terp with a man described as a career criminal. he is the guy on the screen. how she wound up preventing the burglary of her family's home and in the process of getting this guy behind bars. we'll tell you about that. as the investigation continues into the deadly plane crash in san francisco, we'll look why early theories suggest this may have been a case of some serious human error. >> i know you have your hands full, san mateo county ems notified we have a yellow alert. >> we'll be calling them regarding the yellow alert and,
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jenna: cool headed and question-thinking teenage survives a close call with a man known as a career criminal after he allegedly burst into her family's homes and began rummaging through her things. 47-year-old earl will sown is accused of casing the home before the suspect the break-in he failed to notice a 13-year-old girl was inside at time. that teen apparently ducked into a closet after wilson broke in through a window. she was able to phone her mother and call police. wilson was caught after a very short chase. that teenager, cool under pressure. jon: good for her. we're continuing to follow breaking news out of san francisco where we're learning more about the deadly
plane crash over the weekend that killed two teenagers aboard this flight. more than 300 passengers on board. take a look at what happened. the target airspeed we are told from the chairwoman of the national transportation safety board, as that plane was coming in for a landing, that boeing 777 they wanted to hit a target airspeed of 137 knots but the ntsb chair says they were flying a lot slower than that. seven seconds before impact, one of the pilots in the cockpit called to increase the airspeed. and then at four seconds before impact the stick shaker activated in the cockpit. that is the a device that tells pilots they're flying too slowly and they are in danger of what is called a stall. then one of the pilots called to go around. that means, power up the engines, take another approach, fly over the runway and then go around again. but it was only 1.5 seconds
before i am, the before the plane slammed into the ground. just a short time ago we heard from the chairwoman of the national transportation safety board. she says the key to the investigation is figuring out what was happening in the cockpit in the moments before the crash. listen. >> we want to understand what was going on not just in those seven seconds but in the critical seconds leading up to that point. we are hoping to ininterview the pilots. there were four pilots on this flight. there's a crew that flies out. there is a relief crew because it is a long trans-pacific flight. so we do want to interview all four of those pilots. we want to understand who was the pilot flying. who was the pilot in command at the time. event and what was going on. jon: there on "fox & friends" this morning talking about the investigation. peter goelz is a former managing director of the national transportation safety board. he has investigated some of the
best-known aviation accidents of the past. he is our guest now. a target airspeed of 137 knots, you just heard debra hersman talking about the fact they were flying significantly slower than that, peter. she said we're not just talking about a few knots her here what does that tell you and what is happening to the plane? >> what what it tells you the crew were not paying attention to their avionics and to their readouts. the per person who has his hands on the wheel, who is flying the plane is responsible for keeping the airport in sight, for, you know, directing the plane towards the runway. the person sitting next to him is calling out airspeed, calling out sync rate, calling out altitude. it got to within seven seconds of landing before they realized they were going too slow and they were too low is inexplicable and inexcusable. jon: the glide slope indicator
that is something that tells pilots and actually tells the equipment on board the aircraft how the plane is approaching the runway and tells them whether they're coming in too low or too hot. the glide scope indicator for that particular runway was not working that day but that should have not been a factor since they were flying on visual flight rules, right? >> absolutely, jon. there was a notice to airmen, and they will find out whether the crew actually read that notice that indicated that it was down for normal repair. and pilots land without glide slopes every day. they do it at san francisco while it was down. doesn't cause any problems. but this is really at classic case of what we call cockpit resource management. were the crew communicating correctly? were they in front of their game? did they complete their checklists in time? did they know what was going on around them as they were coming
in? apparently they didn't. jon: the airline has said that the pilot had only 43 hours of flight time in this particular aircraft and only about nine flights we understand it. but we should emphasize he would have had a lot of time in a 777 simulator, right? >> he would have flown the simulator and he had thousands of hours in other commercial aircraft. in any case the captain of the flight, the person sitting in the left seat, should have been monitoring this. he is the ultimate person responsible. he should have known that this pilot was inexperienced. should have been paying more attention to what was going on. >> i just wondered about the difference in size of the two aircraft. he had thousands of hours but in a boeing 747. that is significantly longer than the triple 7. you also sit higher because of the double deck of the flight deck, right?
i just wonder if the visual approach, if he had been in a much longer aircraft, he would have been sitting higher and maybe the visual approach to him looked normal but he is in a shorter aircraft this time? >> well, and it is also challenging to land coming in over water because water is featureless character, it has featureless characterrics. you can't really get good depth of field over water and he may, you're absolutely right. he may have been fooled by the approach. but that is why you have two people in the cockpit. >> right. >> that is why you have communication back and forth to say, hey, you need to pay attention to this. and there's no reason to be dropping significantly below your approach speed. that is something -- jon: you also, according to debra hersman the engines were at idle when they tried to boost them to full power. that is not generally done in a landing jet aircraft, is it? >> well, it depends how they got to their speed.
but the point is, when you push your engines, you know, your throttles to the wall, it take as few seconds to spool up and what happened apparently is, is this guy suddenly realized he was in trouble. he jerks his nose back. the plane stalls and the tail hits the landing gear and tail hits the breakwater. it was just a, a very bad sequence of events for an experienced pilot. jon: peter goelz, former managing director of the national transportation safety board. thank you. we'll continue to call on you as this investigation goes on. >> thank you, jon. jenna: state state is rushing to the hospital with his wife after she suffered an urgent medical crisis -- secretary of state john kerry. live report on her condition straight ahead. the white house is taking drastic new measures to get obamacare off the launch pad, doing away with some key rules. making it easier to get
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jon: a healthy -- health emergency of some sort sends the wife of secretary of state john kerry to the hospital. teresa heinz-kerry was rushed into the emergency room in critical condition on the island of nantucket. they stablized the heir to the heinz ketchup fortune. molly line with her condition. what is her condition, molly? >> reporter: the word here is that heinz-kerry remains in critical condition. she traveled with her husband to the hospital in nantucket and came here with secretary of state john kerry, her husband to the hospital here in boston where she remains according to a
source in the neuroscience intensive care unit. now secretary kerry tends to travel with really quite an on tore raj, that could rival that of the president of the united states, significant protect details and when teresa heinz-kerry flown here she reportedly came on her own plane on the short flight and had a motorcade that helped her get here for treatment. secretary kerry spent the night at the couple's beacon hill residence a few blocks from the hospital. she remains under protection of diplomatic security, arm of the state department, the full entourage that generally protect the secretary of state here at the hospital today. jon? jon: do we know what that was? has she had health problems before? >> reporter: we know she is a breast cancer survivor. she was first diagnosed in 2009. during the course of that treatment a source tells us that she had a bad fall at her residence. that she hit her head then. there is no word whether or not that fall a few years ago had
anything to do with reportedly suffering some seizure-type symptoms before being rushed to the hospital. no word exactly what happened with this particular incident but friends and family members say in general in recent years she has been in good health some this is a surprise and a shock to the people that are most close to her. jon: molly line, live in boston. molly, thank you. jenna: well now to some news out of d.c. brand new setback for obamacare today. the administration now admitting there is no way to verify eligibility for a subsidy. so the irs is being told to just take your word for it. if you say you qualify for a subsidy for health care, you qualify for a tax break and there is not a system really that is going to check what you say. the new rules are being revealed just days after the employer mandate, a central component of the law was delayed for another year until 2015. both of these things work together. david drucker senior correspondent for the
"washington examiner" joins us now. why are we learning about the change to subsidies? and we realize there will not be a lot of oversight. why is that happening? >> we'll need to find more about this, jenna, but the bottom line here the law is extremely unwieldy. it's big. it's large. as the executive branch goes about making up regulations and rules that are supposed to reflect the spirit of the legislation, they're finding that it's difficult and they're finding that it is going to be very difficult to run smoothly and i wouldn't be surprised in this particular case if they're worried the only way they can check these things out in terms of who is eligible for subsidies would be such a way to possibly deny people who are eligible or think they're eligible from actually receiving these subsidies. so think would rather encourage people to enroll and take advantage of this and make the process cumbersome and find people getting rejected that
believe that they're eligible and you know, not getting something you think that you're due from the government is always a political problem. jenna: talk about the political problem. why would they be concerned about that part of it? >> if people don't necessarily like the law, they don't have confidence in the law, it is not, although components of it are popular the law as a whole are not popular. that is one of the reasons there have been a lott of these delays. if you add another layer of complexity on to that and you have potentially millions of people applying for subsidies they don't get, particularly in light of the situation with the irs. because if the irs that is supposed to regulate this. i can imagine the is making phone calls and in a sense auditing for you potentially, prove to me you deserve this. it is like an is audit because the irs audit because and they're doing it they don't want to add to a lot of negativity. jenna: 2014 is an election year as well.
>> yeah. that is the bottom line. jenna: is that part of it? >> of course that is part of it. if there's a law that should be delayed people like, no politician is going to delay that law. i don't care if you send a whole building you know water and have it disintegrate, if people like it they're not delaying it before an election. that is the whole reason the administration feels a lost pressure to get this right. why they would rather delay before an election and end up with a lot of people extremely upset the way this big, huge, piece of legislation goes into effect. and they figure they can buy themselves more time. jenna: it is interesting that the individual mandate stays. the employer mandate is being delayed but the subsidy, there is relevance to the employer mandate in all of this. if you earn less than $4,000 and you do not have access through your employ der -- $45,000. what the government deems as affordable health care you are supposed to qualify for the subsidy. if employers don't have to provide health care for the next
year, david, what does that mean for the cost of this all and the amount of subsidies that actually goes out to people? >> it means in the law will cost the government a whole lot more than was intended or it was sold as costing. because you're going to have employers not paying fines for not providing health care if they don't provide health care already. and that money was calculated as a way to help pay for the subsidies. that the government is granting to people in order for them to purchase health insurance in these state exchanges. jenna: some point to the states too. just for our viewers to know that your experience with health care law will be determined quite frankly how your state is it dealing with the law. that is a topic for another conversation in the days to come will at changes we just learned about over the holiday weekend. david, great to see you as always. thank you. >> thanks a lot, jenna, reports of more bloodshed taking place in egypt, this time involving troops opening fire on a sit-in. what if anything can the united
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the details of this are a still a little sketchy at this time. both sides call for more demonstrations across the country. is there anything the united states can or should do right now to quell the violence and get more stability there? michael singh former middle east director of affairs the national security council. michael, you say one of the ways to solve this or at least begin to calm both sides get the very people forced out of government back in. why? >> jenna, i think that has to be the goal. as there were a lot of problems with president morsi's rule of egypt and not too many people i think in the west will sort of be shedding a tear over his departure but at the same time it was positive that the islamists were involved in politics as opposed being outside and using violence which is unfortunately the road that egypt may well be on right now. if you look what is happening this morning. i think you want those islamists just like you want everyone else to be part of the political process, not be sort of outside the process to use other means
to try to exert their influence. jenna: funny that you mention that. remind me of something walter russell meade wrote in the american interest. let me get you the quote for you to weigh in on a little further, michael. islam in egypt is a philosophy of opposition, not a program for governing. in power it withered. back in opposition it can regain its appeal. the brotherhood knows how to survive under attack and a crackdown will create new extremists than it can break down the old. he is making the point that the risk of not bringing these people back into the fold, the islamists is that, they just grow more power but we have seen what happens when they're in power, michael, and we did see there wasn't attention to the economy. there was mass protests. there was, the forcing of islam into lots of sectors of the society that the otherwise secular egypt did not want. how do you it the right way? is there a right way?
>> i think jenna the problem is i think much bigger than even that which is none. parties in egypt articulate ad plan for egypt. you have secular and opposition forces and military for example. we know they don't like the muslim brotherhood. we know don't like president morsi but they haven't given any indication how they get egypt out of its economic problems. what you want all the different parties to do especially the islamists transform themselves from street movements, from opposition movements into political parties that compete on plans and ideas like you do in democracies. i think that is the test for islamists. can they transforms themselves from idealogues, from people who say, well, we have this philosophy of having islam in politics into something much more like a political party. that has to deal with reality of governing. unfortunately i think what the coup has done, it has not forced islamists to defeat electoral debate based on bad ideas which maybe is what would happen in
the future. jenna: interesting you mention as well the opposition, the non-islamists don't really have a plan either. why is that? why do you see that happening? and how do we provoke or help motivate those platforms to come together so that there are some ideas and solutions out there? >> well, i think what's happened right now, jenna, each side is kind of focused on what they don't like about the other side as opposed to having actually to take on the difficult problems of governing and i think -- jenna: sounds like american politics. here we are look at other side, how can they do this, there is violence in the street, no one can get along? that is a problem with democracy, isn't it? but at the end of the day there has to be some sort of a plan that people have to agree upon. >> you make a fair point. luckily we're not going to the streets here in the united states or other democracies. that is the point which maybe democracies become mature when people take their dispute to the ballot box as opposed to the streets. i think you're right. there needs to be a process of national reconciliation.
if there is economic reform plan, a constitutional reform plan, these things will require the islamists, secular parties and everybody else because it is not just those two factions to come together to find out where they can compromise, where they can agree and what are the red lines and aren't red lines in order to move the country forward and i think what the west can do and the united states can do is try to use the leverage we have, economic aid, private investment, things like that, to try to push all of those parties, not just one or the other to do that. jenna: real quickly, do we have any legitimacy there now, michael, over the last two years to do things you say? >> unfortunately, jenna, we squandered a lost influence in the middle east because we've been passive, because our positions changed so much and we frequently do not take into account what our allies want or need. the very difficult thing as we come into this crisis in very weak position not just vis-a-vis egypt but in terms much our
entire policy in the middle east which is in a shambles. jenna: that is interesting. reed says, this, life doesn't stop just because no one knows what to do. an interesting thought. michael, always enjoy your conversations. >> thanks so much, jenna. jon: the images are shocking. a train explosion levels the entire section of a small town. we're learning new details what was behind all of this. plus the latest on the dozens of people still reported missing. also the george zimmerman murder trial, back in session in florida. after two weeks of the prosecution calling witnesses now the defense is making its case. our legal panel breaks down today's proceedings coming up.
zimmerman killed trayvon martin in self-defense. we've already heard from some of zimmerman's family but we still don't know whether george zimmerman himself will take the stand. joining me now, jennifer bonjean a criminal defense attorney. dr. michael baden a forensic pathologist and fox news contributor, and susan constantine, a jury consultant. welcome to each of you. jennifer, to you first, just having, you know, kept your nose into this case, and having heard what the prosecution presented, do they have enough to get a second-degree murder conviction in your view? >> i think that they may fall a little short. i think that there's enough contradictory evidence that the defense can do wonders with that in closing argument. at the same time, i do think that in self-defense cases it is really important for the defendant to take the stand and to explain his state of mind
because otherwise, the parties are simply arguing inferences from the evidence and, it may not be enough to convince this jury where that he didn't act intentionally. so, i think, the prosecution has a fair amount of evidence. i don't know that it's enough to get second-degree murder but i would still be inclined to put my client on to testify and tell his side of the story. jon: the two mothers of the victim and the defendant in this case have both taken the stand. susan, you're the jury consultant. i just want to ask you, how does the jury process that when both mothers say, oh, that's my son, i heard screaming in that phone call? >> well, mothers would expect for you to say that. so i think that it just tend to be a wash. i find it will be more important what others would say. those that don't have a stake in it. those that don't have an agenda. i think that that is really what
is more received i about the jury and i'm also seeing the jury noting the other, not the parents, in fact when sybrina took the stand, no one took notes and or made any eye contact. jon: you're suggesting that maybe doesn't bode well for, for the prosecution, for the trayvon martin side for lack of a better term? >> well, what it's telling me, number one, they don't want to make eye contact because a couple of things. one of them is, they don't want to connect emotionally and get themselves upset and these are moms, and to face another, eyes of another mother that lost someone is very emotional so they chose to not connect. not necessarily because of disinterest. jon: dr. baden, you're the forensic pathologist here. the wound on the back of george zimmerman's head would seem to be very important to this case. we know he is, i think about five foot nine, 100 and something. trayvon martin, much bigger,
6'2" and over, i think close to 220-pound, what do those wounds on the back of his head say to you, zimmerman's head. >> they were trivial wound. they were, small, superficial lacerations that didn't need any kind of sutures, that healed by themselves. the kind of thing that happens in fistfights when i was a kid, bloody nose and fist foyt. indeed it wasn't brought out by the prosecutor two things. the one the bloody nose was never shown medically to be a fracture but more important, that the two-inch wide stip plink of the gunshot wound on the skin of trayvon martin, was more indicative of his backing up rather than lying on top of, of zimmerman with his hand by his face. that didn't come out really from the medical examiner, nor from the prosecutor's questioning of
him. >> susan, i had one more question regarding the testimony that these jurors have heard. do you think they are going to want to hear george zimmerman take the stand? if he doesn't take the stand is that going to hurt the defense case? >> i don't think it will hurt the defense case. always they like to be able to hear the voice. they want to hear the story of george zimmerman. but i also believe that all of the testimony we've heard and all of the video that we've her, they have actually heard from george zimmerman without him actually saying the words in court. jon: all right. so, if you were his defense, if you were his defense attorney, jennifer, would you put him on the stand? >> that is really interesting case because you usually do not get to hear from the defendant from video and, in a case like this you would almost have to put him on the stand, even to get the evidence out but it is
true that the jury has heard evidence through video and that would lead a defense attorney to say, okay, maybe we don't need to put him on. there is too much risk to put him on. we worry about him getting impeached or his credibility. at the same time i believe in self-defense cases and i believe as general rule, in this case as well, the jury wants to connect with this person. they want to get to know him. from video it may not be enough. i'm still in the camp i think i would put him on. you know, there may be some small impeachment. he should be able to explain it. but you have to take risks sometimes and this is a case that i think i would still be inclined to put him on. jon: jennifer bonjean, susan constantine, dr. bauden, we only got one question to but i will get you next time. thank you all. jenna: watch the entire trial streaming right now at foxnews.com. meantime an update on a devastating and deadly train crash that killed at least five
>> this just into your newsroom. new details on the train explosion that leveled parts of an entire town. the train hauling crude oil derailed and burst into a flames in a town in quebec miles from the main border. rick leventhal looking at the story. training one, rick. stunning. >> five confirmed dead. 40 more are missing according to local authorities who fear the death toll could be in the dozens. they say this horrific tragedy was sparked by a runaway atrain with no one on board. they were parked on a tracks on a hill outside the town of the lac-megantic. somehow five locomotives, 72
cars broke free, 1:00 a.m. saturday morning, picking up speed and derailing and exploding in a huge fireball you see there. dozens of tankers still full of oil are still scattered at the crash site which was burning 24 hours after the accident. rescue workers couldn't reach much of the town center because the area was still too dangerous. police say when the cars redaled -- derailed that the explosion was gigantic. flattening dozens of buildings including a bar and dozens homes. the chairman. company, saying that the engineer shut down five the locomotives and one run. this is standard procedure because the one keeps the brakes charge that might have shut down because after small separate fire which caused the brakes to fail. they plan to search other buildings to recover other victims. the train's black box recorder has been found by investigators. jenna: what a horrible story. rick, thank you.
>> reporter: sure. jon: we're looking at the crash of asiana flight 214 over the weekend in san francisco. why was the plane coming in so slow, much slower than it should have been according to the national transportation safety board head? a pilot at the controls who had a lost experience but not in that particular kind of plane. are we looking at human error here? we'll look into it ahead "happening now." the great outdoors...
jon: democracy on the brink in egypt as supporters of the ousted president claim they were fired upon while protesting a military coup. the military says the protesters were threatening. what will the white house's next steps be to try to defuse the crisis in a country that gets more than a billion dollars in u.s. aid each year? the defense begins to make its case as both sides have conflicting claims about who exactly was pleading for help in the final moments before trayvon
martin died. >> >> also controversy in the lonestar state. governor rick perry vows there will be a vote on a abortion restricts bill after being outmanueverred on the floor of that state's senate. jenna: dramatic new information about the deadly crash landing in san francisco, one of our top stories today. we're glad you're with us, everybody, i'm jenna lee. jon: welcome to the second hour of "happening now," i'm jon scott. the national transportation safety board says the asiana flight came in low and slow before it smashed into the runway with investigators now eyeing pilot error as a possible cause. the pilot with little flying experience in a bowing triple seven, logging just 43 hours in that particular type of aircraft although he had thousands of hours in other types. he was landing that type of a plane for the very first time at san francisco international. two teenagers from china died in
the crash. their families are working to get to the united states but amazingly the rest of the passengers survived even though the crew had less than 30 seconds to get everyone off the plane. their quick work along with plane's high-tech design credited with saving many lives. william la jeunesse in i've in our los angeles bureau with that part of the story. 123 people walked away pretty much unscathed, a very remarkable figure, william. >> reporter: you're right, jon. better planes, stronger seats. flame retardant fabric and alert crew helped avert this tragedy into a story of survival. two passengers out of the 307 died yet witnesses say after the plane hit the ground everything went dark. leggage fell out of overhead bins, people flew out of their seats and ash filled the camera. omelettes rolled down the aisle. first two responders tossed knives to the flight crew to cut passengers out of their seatbelts. experts say the crew, two were
pinned down when air chutes deployed prematurely inside the plane deserve a lot of credit for getting people off quickly. >> they were able to evacuate people with half the exits available. that is probably what took the additional time because they couldn't exit in the direction of the fire. they're trying to take you away from the fire. and away from the catastrophic event and out of the aircraft. and they did that pretty well with the half the exits available. >> reporter: so the two who died were in the rear of the airplane which snapped off. statistically, jon, rule of thumb, aisle is better than window, back is bert than front. five rows closest to the exit are the safest. jon. jon: this was a boeing 777 plane first laughed in 1959. did that make a difference here? >> reporter: newer planes incontractor all the mistakes of the past and lessons from previous crashes. if you look inside the plane most of the seats you see are up right. stronger seats, bigger bolts.
they don't pancake generally and passengers are not crushed. seat cushions and carpet are more flame retardant. that is what we learned from the '80s crashes. they don't give out toxic fumes allowing more to survive. there was no on board announcement before the crash. witnesses say, some say they knew something was wrong and braced for impact. that makes a difference. and 11 critical minutes. 80% of the all crashes occur in the first three minutes before take off and eight minutes before landing that fits that profile. jon: we'll talk more about this a little later on in the hour. william la jeunesse. thank you. jenna: meantime we're keeping an eye on capitol hill right now as congress gets back to business in a couple hours of a week-long holiday break. topping the agenda in the house is several key issues including student loans and immigration reform. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel is live on the hill with the latest on a few of these issues. mike, start with student loan issue. we saw doubling of student loan
rates. what should we expect as far as any resolution when it comes to that? >> reporter: jenna, 4:00 this afternoon we expect house speaker john boehner and republican leadership to take east steps on the front side to hammer away at issue to act on it. on this very issue the speaker says, quote, we need the president to lead to bring senate democratic leaders to resolve this issue. republicans acted. we've done our job. time for the president and his party to do their job. here is the a sample of the housep gop argument. >> for too long politicians have been in charge of setting these rates and we keep coming back to cliffs and deadlines like this one. paying for college is difficult enough without all this uncertainty. i have two kids in college. i know how hard it can be. >> reporter: the politics on this are interesting because the house passed a plan that is similar to one the president request the having the market
set the interest rates and not politicians. but now they need the senate to act, jenna. jenna: speaking of interesting politics, mike, how about immigration reform? that is also on the agenda. what is next for that? >> we expect when senate majority leader harry reid returns he will hammer that issue, emphasizing the importance of the gang of plan the senate passed and impress the -- we got monthly memo from house majority leader eric cantor. in it he writes, the house may begin consideration of the border security measures that have been passed by the homeland security and judiciary committees and begin reviewing other immigration proposals. so, cantor is signaling they may take it up as soon as this month. pieces of immigration reform but not the bigby part sawn plan that was passed through the senate. jenna? >> we'll watch it when they get back to work, mike. thank you so much. >> there is new bloodshed to report in egypt. at least 51 supporters of ousted
president mohammed morsi are dead, more than 400 wounded after troops opened fire outside of a military building in cairo. the violence threatens to further split the country as the top muslim cleric is warning of all-out civil war. conor powell streaming live from cairo. he has the latest for us. conor? >> reporter: jon, egypt is bracing for more violence after the deadly shooting outside the republican guard headquarters. that is a place where many believe former president mohammed morsi is being held. muslim brotherhood held peaceful protests for days but clashes broke out between the brotherhood and military. military says they were attacked t seems to show members of the muslim brotherhood throwing rocks and stones and one carrying a rifle and shooting his weapon at members of the egyptian military. that is the reason the military says they opened fire killing at least 51 people, wounding
hundreds more. now members of the muslim brotherhood say they were just sitting there peaceful. this was a peaceful protest. they did not attack the military. it should be noted that fox news can not independently verify the military video. we don't know who the person with rifle or throwing rocks at the military were. the muslim brotherhood says this is peaceful protest. now as a result of the violence they say they want to revolt against the military. the top leader calling for all out civil war revolt begins the military. this has the potential to lead to deadly situation here in egypt as tensions continue to rise. it is impacting the ability of the new government here to form a coalition government. the party which is salafist islamist party part of the anti-moresy coalition they're suspending their talks with coalition, the new government coalition here. because of this massacre. what this will lead to next, we have don't really know. given the heightened tension we have here, it is not unreasonable to think there could be more violence, jon,
coming tonight or the next couple days. jon: that is not good news especially with troubles in syria still underway. conor powell reporting live from cairo. conor, thank you. jenna: we'll have much more on the dead lie violence rocking egypt. how the white house is reacting to the crisis in cairo. bret baier weighs in just ahead. plus the investigation into that deadly crash landing in san francisco. what we learned about the possible cause. a former commercial pilot who has flown in and out of the san francisco airport joins us moments from now with his take on what went wrong. hey kevin...still eating chalk for heartburn?
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meantime while that is happening at home, there is plenty more to pay attention to overseas as the administration deals with crisis in egypt a lot on their plate. bret baier, anchor of "special report" takes this on every day of the week. great to see you as always. we have a great domestic issue. we have a foreign policy issue. let's talk about the domestic policy issue first. the public is being told there is delay of a year for the employer mandate. there will be a year transition and everything will be okay. what are you hearing from your sources on the hill? is there just a year of transition or is there real concern how this law will be implemented overall? >> jenna, there is real concern over both sides of the aisle. republicans obviously continuing to hammer obamacare but democrats as well, concerned about the implementation and some of the things that we're seeing coming out of hhs, health and human services, seem to back that up. you mentioned the employer mandate being delayed by one
year to 25th teen. that is for companies with 50 workers or more, that they won't have to provide insurance benefits until that time, 2015. friday, july 5th, often times in washington we get the friday afternoon document dump if it is not something the administration is wanting to tout. this was particularly interesting friday dump because it was friday afternoon of a holiday weekend. hhs came up with their final rule on obamacare and it was 6906 pages long and in it says, that you would also, for the state's that are implementing obamacare, these state exchanges, they won't have to do the random checks to find out if someone is eligible for the subsidies -- 606 pages long. eligible for subsidy is in 2015. during this time no one is getting checked to pay for
subsidies for changes they go into. that covers 16 states and the district of columbia now. potential for fraud there. jenna: bret, when we talk about subsidies about the health care law, what are we really talking about? i do qualify for a subsidy, what do i get in exchange and what is the cost in general to the government? >> well, it depend on the state that you're in. it depends, it is important to point out with this thing, jenna, this is like a different quilt around the country. all the different states will have different offerings, depending on where you are and it will affect the cost of the overall price. it could go from 30% more premiumwise increase from what you're paying now to '80% more but the amount of subsidies that the federal government will provide those people to buy those different programs will also change. it is very complex. that is a tough question to answer. jenna: i love your quilt analogy. very poetic coming off the
holiday weekend. just real quickly. i was looking at jim angle's reporting, he was pointing out, quoting an ememployment lawyer working for the national retail federation. there is hope of critics of law and the delay will be beneficial and give folks time to go back to the hill and say these are parts of the law we don't like. we want different, instead of 50 employees for small business, it will be 75. are there opportunity to change the key components or are those already set? >> no. we've seen this law change numerous times change already. the class act. the shop provision. there are a number of different things that have already been changed by lawmakers and with rules that hhs puts out. they're adjusting it all the time as implementation is scheduled for january 1st, 2014. i think they're right, there could be more changes to come. jenna: interesting to watch. we'll leave that for a second. let's turn to foreign policy. a lot is happening in egypt as we know, one of the things the united states or one of the, one
of, one component that we should just point out is that as far as our relationship with egypt, regardless who is in power over the last several decades, the united states has a strong relationship with egyptian military. that comes in the form of funding, equipment, a lot of other things, bret. this is what john mccain, senator john mccain is saying about some of our funding to egypt and what should be done in light of what he is calling a military coup. let's take a listen. >> we have to suspend aid to the egyptian military because the egyptian military is overturned the vote of the people of egypt. and we can not set a precedent, which frankly we, or make, let me put it this way. we can not repeat the same mistakes that we made at other times in our history by supporting the removal of
freely-elected governments. jenna: others say that is precisely what we should not do right now, bret. what are you hearing and what do they say? >> there are different camps. senator mccain is in one of them who believe the democratic process is the ballot box and we should suspend aid until the next election sets up in his word a legitimate government by the people. there is another camp that is very happy that the muslim brotherhood has been taken out of the leadership in egypt and they say that the, the outpouring of millions and millions egyptians on the streets saying they don't want an islamic dictatorship is a key thing that should be supported by the u.s. it seems so far that the administration has taken kind of a stand back, wait and see what happens, how it all falls out, and then, decide where to move forward. i think that the debate about foreign aid will be hot and heavy this week up here in washington. and, you know it is $1.5 billion
a year. i will say that other countries in the region may step forward with more of that seeing the opportunity to support like the anti-islamic dictatorship side of morsi and the muslim brotherhood. jenna: too bad you don't have anything to talk about tonight. >> nothing, zero. jenna: you know? bret, thank you, always enjoy seeing you early. great to have you. >> thank you. jenna: catch bret every night weeknights on fox news channel, 6:00 p.m. eastern time. >> a fox news alert. we told you earlier about teresa heinz-kerry, the wife of our secretary of state. there is an update now. after a health emergency sends her to the hospital it turns out that she is, her condition is improving. molly line is live at the hospital. what are they saying about that, molly? >> well, some positive news at this hour. that she has been moved, that heinz-kerry has been moved from critical condition to fair condition at this hour. her husband, the secretary of
state john kerry remains at her side as well as several family members including her son. this statement coming from glen son john, a -- johnson for secretary of state john kerry. she has undergone tests and will undergo further evaluation at the hospital. she is surrounded by family since she became ill. the at this point in time the family is touched by the outpouring of well-wishes at this hour. secretary of state john kerry has been traveling with his wife first to the hospital in nantucket and first at mass general hospital in boston. she was initially in the icu upon arrival. we don't know where in the hospital she is at this hour but we know things are looking up at this hour. jon? jon: very good news. molly line, thank you. jenna: we were talking about the new health care law. turns out it may cost more than you thought. detail why the bottom line is getting bigger. new information on the
deadly plane crash in san francisco as investigators get set to interview all the pilots involved. a live report from the scene moments away. >> we hope to interview them today. so far we've been getting good cooperation. we don't expect to have any problems but we do want to make sure we're able to talk to them. it's important for our >> it's important for our investigation to do that. you know, in the initial hours after an accident, we know that people are shaken up, some people are injured, some people are getting medical treatment, but we're looking forward to interviewing them in the next 24 hours. hey! did you know that honey nut cheerios
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of aircraft, and this particular plane at 2:27 p.m. which is moments before the crash, according to flight aware, was doing 109 knots. that's significantly below the target air speed that she was talking about of 137 knots. what does that tell you? >> well, in fact, if you follow some of the rest of that whole track, it got down as slow as 90 -- 85-90 -- jon: 85, yeah. >> yeah, it's just insane. i mean, the airplane simply cannot maintain enough air flow across the wings to keep the airplane flying. and what deborah was mentioning, that stick shaker, that's the warning that a pilot gets, and it shakes the entire wheel that says, hey, i don't think you're paying attention to what's going on here. and let me give you a little reminder that this airplane is about to stop flying. now, the question is, why? why weren't they paying attention? jon: there are reports as well that they tried to pull the nose
of the plane up. if that's the case, that's exactly the wrong thing to do in that circumstance, isn't it? >> yeah, that's correct. and you're a pilot, jon, so you know that. when an airplane stalls and, again, we're not talking about the engines stalling, we're talking about that air flow across the wings, the last thing you want to do is pull the wheel back because that's going to make it absolutely stop flying. and that's, essentially, what happened. jon: i suppose it's even conceivable that if they had pushed the nose forward, they might have made the runway without all of this damage and catastrophe that resulted. >> well, you know, that's a really interesting point because if that airplane had been just a little bit lower, let's just say even 20 feet, it wouldn't have been the landing gear that hit the jetty, it would have been the nose of that airplane, and this would have been a whole different kind of accident we'd be talking about. jon: yeah. we'd be talking about a couple of hundred people dead instead of just two people. >> absolutely. jon: all right. so where do investigators go from here? >> i think we have to keep in mind that this was a u.s.-built
airplane, but this was not a u.s.-certified crew. and while the training standards of how to operate the airplane are the same all over the world, we have to look at the culture of what was going on in the cockpit. there were four pilots, there should have been four pilots up there in the cockpit, the two relief pilots normally come up for that, for the landing. why did four pilots just sit there and watch this airplane get lower and lower and slower and slower and not speak up? seven seconds before the accident it's too late. jon: yeah. apparently, the pilot in command, the pilot who was at least handling this landing has 10,000 hours nearly, but in a boeing 747. should that make a big difference if he's learning to fly this new plane? >> no, not really. and you think about -- i don't know what airplane you fly, but, you know, when you're making the approach to an airport, that's one of the things the instructor will show you is what the
picture looks like, how the runway appears when you're landing. but it's very clear when you're very, very high or when you're very, very low. but there is the issue of the water, and san francisco is like that, boston's like that, laguardia's like that. you cannot, you cannot stare at the water because it's an optical illusion. jon: yeah. >> but with four people up there, this is going to be a real tough one to explain. jon: robert mark, we appreciate your expertise. thank you. >> you're most welcome. jenna: it's so interesting that part about water. have you flown -- being an optical illusion. i would never think about that. jon: it's so flat, it doesn't give you a reference point, and it's also hard to tell your speed because everything looks the same down below you if you're right over the water. it's very disturbing. jenna: so is it actually more dangerous then at those airports where the landing is right, you know, you're coming right over the water and you put down, or is it just -- jon: it's more dangerous as far as the human factor goes, yeah.
the airplane, if it were flying on autopolicy, the airplane doesn't care if it's over water or not. but it's the mind and the eye that play tricks on you. jenna: regardless of all the technology, it still matters. jon: exactly. jenna: as we're finding out more about the investigation, we'll bring that to you, but interesting to hear about some of the conversations that are takerring place. in the meantime, the defense is presenting its case in the george zimmerman murder trial with a parade of witnesses all testifying about the voice they heard on that crucial 9 11 call. a live report from the courthouse in sanford, florida, next. >> whose voice is that? >> george's. >> and how do you know that? >> i recognized his voice. i've heard him speak many times. i have no doubt in my mind that's his voice.
jenna: well, "happening now," the george zimmerman trial is underway at this hour with defense testimony aiming at combating the second-degree murder charge zimmerman faces in the shooting death of 17-year-old trayvon martin. phil keating is live outside the court in sanford, florida, with the very latest for us now. phil? >> hi, jenna. we're on lunch break right now, and perhaps a sign this jury is getting antsy about getting back to home, they opted not to take any breaks at all all morning. so they didn't actually take their first break til lunch at about 12:15. a very fast-paced parade of witnesses in the courtroom this morning as the first full day of
george zimmerman's defense case really got underway. and just like his mother and uncle's testimony last friday night, each witness today identifying zimmerman as the one screaming on that infamous 911 call. among witnesses taking the stand were friends of zimmerman and his wife and former co-workers of zimmerman. over and over again the jury listened to that neighbor's 911 call. >> i can't see him. i don't want to go out there, i don't know what's going on. >> [inaudible] >> there's screaming. >> do you know whose voice that is in the background screaming? >> yes, definitely. it's georgie. >> and how is it that you know that? >> i just hear, i hear it. i hear him screaming. >> reporter: with sandra osterman, prosecutors pointed out that she and her husband co-wrote a book called
"defending our friend: the most hated man in america," questioning whether she had a financial interest in her testimony. on cross-examination prosecutors also played zimmerman's initial police call when he used curse words as he was following trayvon martin. and he said: these [bleep]s, they always get away prompting this testy exchange. >> you don't think he was angry? >> not at all. >> you were there that night? >> i was not. i only have what you have to listen to. >> okay. so you're speculating as to how he was feeling based on just those two terms, correct? >> i guess we both are. >> reporter: identifying the screams as zimmerman, prosecutors also jumped on each witness asking them,well, have you ever heard what trayvon martin sounded like when he screamed? all said they had not. for a second-degree murder conviction in the state of florida, prosecutors have the burden of showing ill will, spite or hate, and over and over again today mark o'mara, the
defense attorney for george zimmerman, kept asking all of these witnesses, do you hear any of that in those recordings that george zimmerman made with police, ill will, spite or hate? they all said, no. the defense expects to wrap this case this week, so this could be going to the jury perhaps by thursday or friday. back to you. jenna: very interesting, phil. thank you. jon: there are new concerns out there that the price of obamacare is spinning out of control. a leading republican senator now asking the administration why the costs of insurance subsidies keeps rising. chief national correspondent jim angle is live in d.c. with that. jim? >> reporter: hello there, and, of course, there's also a new delay in verifying the income for claiming those subsidies which you mentioned earlier, and that comes on top of the letter from senator hatch who's asking why the president is already requesting 107% more than three years ago to pay for subsidies. critics say the increases are necessary because more
businesses will drop coverage or cut workers to part-time to avoid the mandate, pushing workers onto the exchanges and pushing up the cost of taxpayer subsidies. some argue the delay in the employer mandate will not help. listen. >> what it's doing to keep employers from bringing on any kind of employee, it's been very damaging. and i think just moving it back a year is not going to undo the uncertainty that people have. >> reporter: but democratic defenders say employers will continue to provide insurance because it attracts the best workers and that postponing the employer mandate will actually help. listen. >> the vast majority of companies in this category provide health care already, and they'll continue to do so. but i think given the potential confusion postponing it -- not eliminating, but postponing it for a year makes sense. >> reporter: now, critics say this should hardly be a surprise. >> i don't think most of america will be shocked that a government program is coming in
over budget. [laughter] it's a typical story. and so, yeah, it's probably happening in this case as well. >> reporter: but even critics explain that the supreme court decision which said the federal government could not force the states to expand medicaid to 138% of poverty will push a lot more people onto the exchanges. >> the administration thought they were going to push a lot of people into medicaid. in fact, half the newly insured under obamacare are supposed to be in medicaid. >> reporter: medicaid, of course, is health care for the poor. according to kaiser, 21 states have refused to expand the program with six more debating it, 24 will expand in part because the federal government will pay 100% of the cost for the first three years. jon: and then what happens after three years? >> reporter: well, it goes down, but it never gets below 90% which is why some argue the states come out ahead if they go ahead and expand it. but you still have a lot of states that are going, no way. jon: and a lot of money to be
spent. jim angle, thank you. jenna: an interesting next story for you. could a new place for ad space be popping up at major league baseball games? we're used to seeing them all over the stadium at this point. but at a recent toronto blue jays game, they even appeared on the baseball field, right on the actual playing surface. and apparently, it's causing some controversy. diane macedo with the fox business network joins us live with this story. diane? >> reporter: hi, jenna. fans tuning into that toronto blue jays game not only got to see the game on sports net, but they also saw some ads. they looked like billboards that were actually painted onto the turf itself. of course, they weren't actually, they were superimposed to appear that way. now, all the ads appeared in either foul territory or in areas like the batter's eye which is a part of the wall which is solid so batters can see ball. but even though they weren't in the actual area of fair play, critics are saying this has gone too far. this is all kind of reminisce
sent of a 2004 controversy when major league baseball had announced they would be putting ciderman ii -- spider-man ii ads on the bases themselves. they had to scrap that because of an up roar from the fans. so now the question is if major league baseball will again step in and say this has gone too far or if we're going to start seeing a growing trend here of ads not only on the baseball field, but on the basketball court, on the football field and so on, jenna. jenna: do we have any idea of how much money they're actually getting for putting those ads on the field? >> the revenue stream isn't clear, but the whole thing is called disturbing, says it makes the game less appealing. steve goldman told me he's not surprised because the cost of players, of rights of players' salaries, cable bills, all those things start to rise in tandem with each other, so the networks start to scramble to find revenue anywhere. so he's not surprised, but he says it could end up backfiring
because when you're talking about baseball specifically, a dedicated fan will watch up to 500 hours a year. so that ad that might seem subtle at nurse as you seep -- at first as you keep seeing it over and over again, his quote is it seems like a shrimp fork to the eyeball. [laughter] both of them do agree, though, that if there's no uproar from the fans here, the revenue stream is high, this is just going to continue, and it's going to get worse and worse. jenna: we've seen those virtual rotating ads on the backstop, so one wonders when this will all come to the newsroom, diane. >> it's only a matter of time, i'm sure. [laughter] jenna: diane, thank you very much. jon: they'll be putting them on the visors. jenna: dresses, change, i don't know, it could get out of control. jon: it's baseball! leave it alone. there are new charges of bias in the media's coverage of the egypt situation. are journalists pulling for the muslim brotherhood to come out on top? our news watch panel takes up
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... ... ♪ ♪ jon: new questions on whether the media and president obama are picking sides in egypt. the battle lines there are getting deeper, pitting the islamists against the secular opposition which is backed by the military. there are accusations the media are showing bias toward the muslim brotherhood despite its ties to terrorism. jim pinkerton is a contributing editor and writer for the american conservative magazine, alan colmes is the host of the alan colmes radio show. both are fox news contributors. want to take a look at one of the photographs that's come out of tahrir square that you might not see in a lot of the media coverage, if we can get it up there on our screen. yeah. the sign there, essentially,
blaming obama, president obama for part of what has gone on there. and here's, here's another one, a little hard to make out on the screen, but it talks about loving the u.s. people and is forth and blaming some of the u.s. media for the coverage of what's gone on there. jim, what do you think about the way the media have handled coverage of the uprisings and the government's situation in egypt? >> yeah. i don't think there's any question the media are a major part of the story itself when you read that the muslim brotherhood and morsi were looking at google maps to see who had a bigger crowd and so on and depending on the news coverage to try and monitor their crowd versus the opposing crowd. the washington post this morning reported that cnn got wrong one of the demonstrations. they said, they reversed the order of whether it was a pro or anti anti morsi demonstration, but those things happen, and
reporters are showing a lot of courage just by being there, because as we know, some freelancers have been killed trying to cover this story. jon: alan? >> well, i think the conservative bloggers that i've seen in the conservative media has gotten it wrong when they say obama is siding with the muslim brotherhood. a spokesperson for the msa -- the nsc, excuse me, has said this should be a transparent process. she's spoken for the administration, and it should be open to all parties. there's been not favoritism toward the muslim brotherhood. so the conservatives, it seems, the conservative media and the conservative editorials like marc thiessen in "the washington post" seems to indicate that obama favors the brotherhood, but that's not been what the administration's been saying. jon: but we know that the president was very vocal about wanting to see the previous oust toed. he said that quite plainly -- ousted. >> so did conservatives. mubarak was considered exactly a secular or open or, you know,
transparent leader. he was considered a dictator. who didn't want mubarak to be replaced by a more democrat? this is a process of democracy that is, you know, it's an ugly process. it takes time. took us a couple hundred years to get where we are. >> the confusion that alan is showing there is the confusion of the mainstream media -- >> i'm not confused, thank you. >> -- in general, they don't know what the president's policy is, and they're struggling to be for president obama and supporting whatever he does without really knowing what the -- >> that's not what i said, jim. i didn't say that. >> -- durability middle of this crisis, so they can't decide whether he's pro-muslim brother hoard, seems to be both pro and -- >> i must correct you. i didn't say i support the president's policy no matter what it is, i simply relayed to you what the president's policy is which is not what's being reported on the right and that he is open to egypt making its own choices. in a democracy people get to choose a representative government. some of the people who they may
want representing them we may not like, but that's the president's policy. >> alan, it was a coup. the military spoke. it was a coup. >> yes. >> and president obama can't decide if he's for or against the coup. he can't decide. >> he has said they are open to a political process where all sides are represented, and the military has said they're going to go through the same process they did last time which is to form a new constitution, a new government and let people decide who they want as their representative. >> but part of the point, alan, is that the president was very vocal about wanting to see mubarak ousted, and now that morsi was in charge or is in charge, you know, the president hardly mentions his name. >> you know, i think it's ridiculous to put this on obama as if he's running egypt, and he's deciding who should be the leader of egypt. what obama said back then was that the people should decide in egypt, what he's saying right now is the same thing. it's not like obama was campaigning for morsi. jon: and then there are these
disputes about what happened in that attack this morning that left more than 40 people dead. jim, the media suggested that it was a peaceful sit-in outside the military compound. the military then released some videos that made it look like it was a pretty violent protest. >> >> or an attack even. again, we don't know. that's the enormous challenge of it. there's a piece by a fella named -- [inaudible] in the journal this morning that said that, you know, we could be looking at a civil war like in algeria where there was a similar situation where the military overflew the equivalent of the muslim brotherhood, and there was a 10-year war that killed half a million people. we just don't know very much. the concern that the american people has is that the president doesn't have a clearly articulated position. jon: we'll continue to watch the coverage as those troubles in egypt are set to continue. alan, jim, thank you both. >> thank you. jenna: brand new developments in
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jenna: well, a fight over access to abortion underway right now in texas with state lawmakers in a marathon session in austin debate ago controversial bill restricting the procedure prompting some new rallies expected to draw thousands of protesters on both sides of the issue. there's a lot here, hard to sum up in that intro, and shannon bream is with us to talk about what we're talking about here when it comes to what's happening in texas. >> reporter: well, jenna, texas remains ground zero for the debate over what kinds of restrictions states can set on abortions and the clinics where
they are performed. right now supporters and opponents are back in austin to continue demonstrations that have been very heated at times. the bill also sets basic medical standards for clinics including a requirement that physicians who perform abortions have privileges at nearby hospitals in case of complications. >> the abortion lobby down in texas so posing common sense regulations that would insure that clinics in texas did not have the same atrocious conditions that we're seeing in clinics in philadelphia, but also in multiple clinics across the country. >> reporter: opponents of the bill say forcing clinics to comply with the new standards could lead to 37 of the state's 42 abortion clinics being closed down and that that is what the effort is truly about. cecile richards, president of the planned parenthood acts fund, says, quote: >> r eporter: to put it in terms rick perry would understand, i
am an american, i am a texan, and no government gets to make my personal opinions for me. governor perry is confident the bill will ultimately pass. it's almost a guarantee it will face an immediate legal challenge like the one planned parenthood and the one aclu have filed in wisconsin where there are new abortion restrictions set to go into effect today. jenna: in the meantime, you mentioned governor perry. he's set to make an announcement in just a few minutes. any indication on what sort of announcement he's going to be making? >> reporter: well, there's a lot of hype and a lot of question about what it might be, is he going to announce that he is or is not going to run for governor again next year? is he going to make a very early tip of his hat about possibly running for the white house again or simply as he's done so often, tout the business climate in texas, talk about what a great place it is to move your business. we'll have to wait and see. jenna: we'll watch for that. shannon, thank you. jon: well, you've seen the aftermath as survivors recount their harrowing experiences aboard that asiana flight that
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