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this just in manslaughter charges in the deaths of three people at a sweat lodge ceremony in arizona. james arthur ray who helped write "the secret" now behind bars. he organized this retreat. 60-plus people were packed into a hot, steamy tiny dome looking for a spiritual cleansing. should he be held responsible, face charges? plus this, a hard-core porn princess says tiger woods sent her sexy texts, messages -- well, no one like her and he's not losing that. that's the basis of it.
joslyn james is one of a dozen of his alleged mistresses whose picture is featured on a set of golf balls, the mistress collection. she claims it promotes violence. is it out of line? what do you think? call in, 1-877-tell-hln. e-mail us, cnn.com/primenews or join the conversation on facebook, you can text us at hln, tv, start your message with the word "prime." it's your chance to be heard. welcome once again this is "prime news" i'm mike galanos. a short time ago, the guy who organized the deadly retreat in arizona had his day in court. his lawyer pleaded not guilty on his behalf. the charges, three counts of manslaughter in the deaths of three people at that sweat lodge ceremony back in october. to refresh your memory, 60-plus people packed into this hot, steamy tiny domelike setting for
a spiritual cleansing and along with the three deaths we know 20 other people roughly were injured. now, ray's attorney says this was a terrible accident but it was an accident and not a criminal act. listen to this account, an employee who worked with ray explains his actions as this tragedy unfolded. >> it was like an absolute "m*a-s*h" unit. helicopters coming down. when he came out the helicopters weren't there but at that time still bodies everywhere passed out and he walked out of there looking like a million bucks. >> was this guy just ignorant or is this a blatant disregard for these people? joining me to talk about this nicole deboard, former prosecutor, also lynn lemaster from the "prescott news" covering this since day and also beverly bunn, she was there and survived the sweat lodge, witnessed the horror. we'll take your calls, by the way. beverly first off your reaction to the manslaughter charges. your thoughts? >> it's very surreal to be
honest with you when i found out last night there was a gamut of emotions going on. gratification, verification and satisfaction. >> so, you agree with the charges. >> completely. >> completely agree. let everybody know, beverly, your experience, again what happened during this sweat, how bad did it get for you? >> it got so bad actually i was attempting to actually leave the tent in the fourth round and james, as i was walking towards the door or crawling towards the door, actually, james was encouraging mind over matter, you are stronger than this, you can go above the pain, the pain's only in your body, you are stronger, you're stronger and instead of going out of the tent, i actually moved to the other side and i was fortunate because i wasn't too far from where kirby and james shore were and i moved to the other side where i was actually able to get some oxygen and breathe during -- in between rounds. but, i mean, it was over 140
degrees inside that tent. >> wow. >> it was, you know, a long time, a long two hours. >> that is just unthinkable heat. did you see james ray? we heard one account from an employee a moment ago. did you see him as -- the description is bodies lying everywhere. what did he do? >> it was a complete "m*a-s*h" unit triage. i mean, it was horrible, torerible. and bodies were everywhere. you didn't know who to help first because people were passed out. there was a lady turning blue. another gentleman all the blood vessels had burst in his eyes, they were doing cpr on the other side of the tent on kirby and james and, i mean, everybody was everywhere yelling, screaming, people convulsing, people having fits, people crying and -- it was awn unbelievable sight. >> and did you see mr. ray through all this, was he trying to help, did he have any words of encouragement, words of comfort, anything for anybody at
that time? >> he didn't say anything. he was actually on the other side of the tent. most of the people were actually laying on tarps, in front of the tent that came out the door but they pulled the bodies of kirby brown and james shore out of the back of the tent and james ray was standing about ten feet away from kirby and he just stood there watching them giving cpr to kirby and james. he didn't talk to any of us. he didn't help out with cpr, he didn't help anybody. >> let's bring in nicole. as you hear that, that description there, does that factor into the charges, how much does that play in? >> it certainly can play in, because what prosecutors will look to when they talk about what happened after, what they're going to say the crime, they're going to say this might be evidence of his consciousness of guilt and certainly the defense could argue it is a lack of an idea there might be guilt. manslaughter in arizona has to be the reckless causing of a
death of another person and so i think that the prosecution has some strong points to make based on the facts that have been described. >> let's talk about that and bring in lynn lemaster. if it's going to get this intense, you'd think there would be medical personnel. what kind of personnel was on hand for this? >> there was a doctor who was one of the attendees and some reports have said that james ray had a -- a nurse on hand. that's -- it seems to be conflicting reports on that at this point. so -- as far as i know that, would be mainly about it. >> okay so. fy one doctor, one nurse possibly for roughly 60, 65 people, lynn, is that what we are looking at. >> that's pretty much everything i've been able to find, except, of course, the paramedics and the fire -- the firemen and stuff that came after. >> after the fact. >> after everything happened. >> as you've talked to authorities and followed this
case, how big a factor do you think that is the lack of medical personnel for an event like this? >> you know, the authorities here have been pretty closed mouthed about it and the charges were decided by a grand jury. so, they haven't really made that many opinions on it except in the initial press conferences and the sheriff certainly expressed a concern about that particular issue. >> okay. nicole deborde, as what he look at pieces of a puzzle of a prosecution, how big is that two medical personnel, roughly for 65 people roughly. >> exactly. it can two ways. the fact you will do something you know you need a doctor and nurse on hand to do gives some indication you have appreciation for the danger involved although obviously in this circumstance it wasn't enough, it might go to show that, in fact, he might have been aware that his conduct could cause harm, physical harm, to these people.
>> right. >> well, there's also the agreement he had them sign beforehand and it specifically says in there some of the activities, you know, may cause death. >> lynn, was that? >> yes. >> okay. we'll talk to beverly about that, about the waiver that was signed and how much that may or may no exonerate mr. ray. we'll also hear another account of someone struggling outside the sweat lodge. we'll take your calls and questions, 1-877-tell-hln. also this story coming up police in san antonio say a woman stabbed her two young sons and calmly put her wrists out and said, quote, i killed my babies.
this guy topped james from his sitting-down position he goes, i died, i literally died and i came back to life and james was like, all right, man, gave him a high-five, like it was fantastic, completely oblivious to the pandemonium surrounding that sweat house. >> we'll take your calls 1-877-tell-hln and want to read a brief statement from his attorney saying this, the charges are unjust and we'll prove it in court. this was a terrible accident but it was an accident not a criminal act. a call real quick. your thoughts here? >> caller: i don't feel like he should be charged with anything other than neglect maybe because these were adults that went into this knowing what the risk factors was. >> we had someone who went through this. a facebook comment from paul writing life's full of
decisions, as adults they should have known better ton stay in there. >> beverly bunn survived. what did the waiver say d. you have an inkling how dangerous this could get? . >> i know it talked about, i think mention of a sweat lodge in visionquest but a typical waiver you sign for most things. >> lynn said it flat-out said in that waiver that what you're about to go through could cause death. do you recall that? >> no, i don't. >> you don't recall that but, lynn, you say that's in there. >> yes, and if you read the white papers on james ray's website, that's one of the arguments that his attorneys give that, you know, after all people signed this waiver. >> nicole, back to that. i imagine one of the best arguments for and for his defense people signed a waiver, right? >> absolutely. i mean, the state has to prove that the conduct that he did recklessly caused the death of another and that's a little bit more difficult when you have
adults involved in making decisions about whether they're going to stay or whether they're going to go. i mean, he didn't force anyone to remain in there in terms of kidnapping or in terms of locking the door or anything of that nature. that's certainly going to be the defense's argument. >> i imagine this would go against him because i believe the three people who died were at the back of the sweat lodge and ht farthest to go to get out of there. so, by the time they were going to get out of there, they were so overheated and roughly delirious, they couldn't physically make it out. beverly, is that pretty much the way it went? >> that's pretty close. but, he was -- he was warned in the sixth round that kirby was passed out, she wasn't moving or breathing. he couldn't get her to wake up. and james said that he closed the door at that time and said, the door's now closed. we'll deal with this at the end of next round. what happened by the end of the round and then the door opened up is that both james shore and kirby were completely passed out
and couldn't help themselves. >> so, he was -- okay, nicole, picking up on that account from beverly. mr. shore, who died, sadly, is -- was -- did you say kirby or james shore was passed out and he said let the round begin anyway, beverly? >> kirby was passed out but james shore let us all know that she was in trouble. >> okay. nicole, what about that? >> well, that certainly can make a big difference because now he's in charge of a situation where the people who are involved, adult or otherwise, don't have the ability to take care of themselves and he had the choice at that point and he -- it was his conduct that -- to close the door and continue behaving in the manner that he behaved and certainly that is what the prosecution is going to argue, that he chose the wrong thing, he was reckless in what he did and that caused their death. >> okay. nicole, lynn, beverly, thank you so much. again we'll continue to follow this story. also this one, it is heartbreaking police in san antonio say a 3-year-old, 1-year-old boy were killed at
welcome back to "prime news" on hln, a mom in san antonio charged with two counts of capital murder in the deaths of her two little boys. 1-year-old, 3-year-old. police say she stabbed her two little boys to death and calmly held out her wrists to authorities and said, quote, i killed my babies. it is chilling. even police can't really get over what they saw. >> words can't describe the scene. it was unspeakbly sad. >> the 22-year-old showed no emotion as she was led away in handcuffs. we just learned this disturbing detail a case worker had been to the house the day before this tragedy. were there any signs, just a few of the questions we have.
we'll take your questions, as well, 1-877-tell-hln. joining us to talk about this welcome back michelle golland clinical psychologist you can find more thoughts and insights momlogic.com. chief mcman nniscmannis. >> the call came out for a cutting and the officers got on the scene and they found the mother standing outside her home. when we walked up to her, she said, i just culled my babies and put her hands out to be handcuffed, not very emotional at all, just rather matter of fact. >> well, let's get michelle in on that front. michelle, how does -- what's going on with her where she would just hold the wrists out and as the chief said matter of factually say i killed my
babies. >> it reminds me of the andrea yates case, mike, if you remember. my clinical impression at this point is sort of leaning to is there any sort of post partum psychosis going on? this is what we see, you know, mothers that commit infanticide, usually it is a case of post-partum psychosis or revenge killing it's a horrible, horrible situation either way. >> it certainly is. michelle covering this from the "express times" reporter. let's hit on the case worker there the day before. michelle, what did this case worker see? >> if i could just point out it's the san antonio express news. >> oh, okay, i'm sorry. okay frimplts way understand, the case worker who we haven't been able to talk to.
we talked to the spokeswoman from cps, she said it was a normal routine visit, the mom was happy to see her. there was absolutely no signs of abuse on the children. they were clean, they were well dressed and everything seemed fine. >> so, no signs, nothing anything wrong. michelle golland, does that surprise you? we think if uryou are hours awa from doing this to your own children how could someone not tip somebody off in some way. >> actually, this would make more sense the fact she was resigned that she was maybe going to be doing this, you know, my other thought is that often in these situations there's some sort of religious overtone if someone is psychotic or delusional, you know, we don't know if maybe she felt she was saving her children from something. it's hard to tell cliniccly at this point what is going on but those are my thoughts. >> come to think of it, you're right in some of the stories most recently it is already in
their mind, almost a peace that they know they are going to do it, is that right. >> yes. that's exactly it. that it sounds like maybe the decision had been made. you know, i'm curious why she was receiving services, if this was related to the husband being in jail, those sorts of thoughts are what are going through my mind. >> we'll get to that in a moment after the break. i want to get chief macmanus back in. bill, did you talk to the case worker and did the case worker have anything out of the ordinary to say about that visit? >> i spoke to her briefly, in a state of shock when she first arrived and the homicide detectives picked it up from there but i did not get into any kind of in-depth questioning with her. >> okay. all right. we'll continue this conversation and pick up on what was going on in that house, the father's in jail. what was going on between him and the mom. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. also, the latest with tiger woods and an alleged mistress claiming he was sending steamy messages to her.
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welcome back to "prime news." ready for this, a new clothing line for little girls and as you see this, do we want our 8-year-old little girls wearing the leopard a skin, lace, fishnets? are we sexualizing our little girls too soon are, you comfortable with that age wearing some of this stuff? call in, 1-877-tell-hln. you can vote on our facebook poll, as we hash this one out. chime in. we'll talk about that in just a little bit. meantime, more on tiger woods. we have yet another alleged tiger mistress coming out of the woodwork joslyn james hard-core porn star also one of the 12
featured on a set of golf balls called tale of the tiger, the mistress collection. here she is asking for her picture to be taken off that product. >> i've come forward today because i feel that it is wrong for a golf ball to have my picture on it. as a victim of violence myself, it bothered me to think that someone would be standing with a dangerous club in their hands and hitting a ball with my face on it. >> all right. worried about her image, huh? same who starred in "big breasted nurses" and "my first sex teacher, number 12" and another report from radar online.com saying tiger's wife is about to pick him up from rehab and maybe they'll try to work things out. we'll hit this from both friends and take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln back with us to talk about it, sim serafin from "in touch weekly" and also
michelle golland. kim, starting with you, why is joslyn james holding the press conference now? so far after the fact. is this just about protesting golf balls? >> well, she is saying that she feels that these promote violence towards women. she's come forward talking about the relationship that she says she had with tiger but she's saying these golf balls not just her face on it because there are 12 golf balls in this novelty collection, i guess it's called. and she's saying this really promotes violence towards women. i mean, i'm sure there are probably many women out there, even if they are not golfers who would probably like a set of golf balls with tiger's face on them, not to promote violence, but -- [ laughter ] >> -- you're promoting it even more than the guy. >> i know. please no comments about it. i'm just saying as a joke but, you know, i think she does have a point. no matter her background, something like this is pretty vicious, i think. >> so, you -- here's what i say,
beings i golf, duffer occasionally, i think a lot would buy these a novelty and something they would display, i don't think people will use this and actually tee off with them. kim, your thoughts on that, a concern for you, are you buying that, as far as violence against women? >> yeah, you know, i see what the novelty was in creating these, tale of the tiger and apparently according to reports the person that created these has made something like $40,000 already in one day they've been available. yeah, they sell for like $45 each for the set. i can see the novelty about them but there are 12 women on theegs ba -- these balls. not all have claimed this is true they are a mistress of tiger woods. i see what you are saying it could be a novelty item but i can see where she is saying this promotes violence against women. if anything i think people are more angry at tiger in this than
women. >> at the end of the day. we tried to get ahold of mike caldwell who came up with the idea. you're right, $45,000 he told the "new york daily news" he made one day selling these. michelle, the golf balls do, they promote violence against women, let's wrap that up first. >> i can see the point of that, as well but, i mean, i think as you've said these women have to deal with their own image already that they've created. and their own actions in this matter. >> yeah. >> so, i mean, i think it could go either way. i like the idea of having some golf balls with tiger's face on it. >> you and kim like that idea. >> i do. >> make you can make 40 grand in one day. >> as long as tiger is not going to get the money. >> there you go. for charity. let's get a call. >> in the forbes list still came out still the number one brand name on this list despite everything that has happened so probably could make a lot of money off of these. >> we'll see what happens a year from now when we talk about.
this antoinette is with us by phone. your thoughts. >> caller: i would like to say these women are coming out of the woodwork on tiger. i don't know where they are coming from but he's no superhero a never-ending story we're tired of reading about. him and elin, they're only human. let them live their lives, if she choose to take her husband back and work it out, hey, that's their business. tiger woods story is really monotonous, we're tired of hearing bit. let it go. leave him alone. >> thanks. there is still a lot of interest in this story, i will say that. you know, we get the newsee item whether golf balls or a press conference with gloria al read, by the way and steamy texts. here we go again, tiger woods really laying it out there, huh? see how i just let you handle those details? >> well, no, it does seem like, with these texts that have been
we leased now like it seems like it's the same story with all of the women, it wasn't just kind of a one-night thing with each of these women. it seems like there were relationships with a lot of these women, which is interesting because, of course, as as you mentioned other reports are coming out elin has gotten rid of the divorce lawyer and they are getting back together so you hear one thing about all these relationships. on the other hand you are hearing they want to work things out. it'll be interesting to find out what happens, which is why i think people are still talking about this and still interested in it. >> exactly. michelle golland, talk about that. if they can work this out, great. >> right. >> but talk about the hurdles they have to climb. >> huge. >> we are hearing more, a porn star, the messages she's the only one -- i don't want to get into it, but very pleased with her we'll put it that way talking about the porn star. how do you get over that, a scorned wife like elin nordegren. >> face it, their therapy bill will be ginormous if they are to get through this. i mean, it's not over after
rehab. he needs to be intensive individual therapy. she needs nobody her own individual therapy, they need nobody couples therapy. they have a lot of work ahead of them to build trust, to really regain some solid footing in the relationship for the children. it's not that it can't be done, mike, it's just going to be a huge amount of work. >> yeah. one other note, golf legend tom watson really taking tiger to task talking when he does come back, he has to show humility. >> yes. >> no more throwing the golf clubs, cussing on the course. i agree with that. i think a lot of people want to see a different tiger, drastically different tiger. kim, your thoughts on that? >> i think people definitely will want to see him very repentent and sorry and of course all waiting for the big interview we expect whether were oprah or whoever to come forward and apologize to address all this. whether he will do all that is certainly interesting, known to be very private but i think he obviously has to address all this. i don't think this will happen
in the next two weeks even if the reports are true se out of rehab this weekend. but, i think he eventually will have to address some of this and apologize. >> we have another hot topic to get to but michelle, i promise that's the way he's got to play this, right, trawl-humble? >> for sure. he should be humbled and shameful for what he has done. >> okay. >> yes. >> you are both sticking around for this next one and we want you to chime in on this one. 8 and 9-year-old girls dressed in leopard prints, lace, a new clothing line s. this sexual licing our little girls? there are racier shots than this, let me tell you. do you want your daughter in this stuff? if they are wearing that at 8 and 9, what are they wearing at 11 and 12 and how are they going to be acting at 15 1-877-tell-hln.
all right. welcome back to "prime news" on hln, if their problems not bad enough now looking into break problems with the 2010 prius hybrid. a no decision on a re-call yet but has to be concerning for so many. a lot have e-mailed us asking for information. let's bring back in ali velshi, author of "give me my money back" all over this since day one. walk us through how serious is this? >> preious is new. a number of people have complained there is a problem when you hit the brakes on the 2010 preious, the brakes don't
kick for about a second after you hit it. that doesn't sound like a lot but, in fact, as you troo toy stop a car a second delay could mean a big difference. toyota has looked into it and identified a software problem and sometime this afternoon word got out they were re-calling some 270,000 cars. toyota immediately told us, toyota usa, that's not the case. they can't confirm whether it is the case or deny it's the case. as is emblematic of the whole situation once again toyota doesn't have a clear message. so, people in the industry are speculating that there could be a re-call come on these but as of right now toyota is saying no re-call on the 2010 prius of the brake problem. >> are we hearing of specifics -- >> yes. keep in mind the other problem was an accelerator that sticks a bit of o problem but a brake that fails is more serious than an accelerator that sticks. i would venture if we talk about this tomorrow, there will be a greater development on this one way or the other. something will be done about the
priuses. >> if not enough. >> we have the rest of it, more than five million cars, re-called on two major re-calls basically. this is the gas pedal, one is a goods pedal interfered by the floor mat and stuck in an accelerated position. the fix for that take it in and they trim the gas pedal so it doesn't, you know, mix up with the floor mat. the second one, the one that took them longer to figure out a gas pedal, over time with wear and tear, starts to accelerate on its own. and that's the other problem we've got. now they have a fix for that. not every toyota dealership in the country has employed it yet because they have had to train mechanics on it so. they are training individual mechanics who train other mechanics. many toyota dealerships will stay open 24 hours to get this repair done and toyota is giving the dealerships money based on how many cars they repair to keep staff going, you know, overnight and the weekend. >> again. i've got to ask again as we go
through this plus the prius problem, how are they handling this? i know it is difficult and you want to give them a bit of a benefit of the doubt. >> i gave them sort of a low c or high d yesterday. >> yeah. >> it is dropping. the fact we have to run around and chase whether or not there was actually an announcement and can't confirm because it is overnight in japan. this is crisis mode for you. haw tof be up and running now and see the face of the president of toyota and saying we have a handle on this and this is what we are going to do. we have had reporters getting different answers no matter who you ask. that's no the way to handle a crisis when your entire company is built on reliability and reputation. >> if you and i aren't getting a straight message. >> that's my points. >> imagine the person driving into a dealership going help me out here and expecting someone at a dealership to have the right answer. >> look. i'm a big business guy. i like business and i like business like toyota. i think they've done a great job. also time so-to-say, guys, you are really, race mishandling this one. you've got to get out and own
this before everybody else does it for you. >> clock is ticking. has toyota built up enough goodwell to weather this storm or getting to the point they are going to take a serious hit for quite a while. >> i think they are probably right on that line. i think they can recover from it if they do something very, very quickly but the clock is ticking on them, too. >> ali, always great having you. >> my pleasure. >> thanks, ali. coming up want to hear from you on this topic, girls growing up fast. too fast, in many cases. maybe what they wear is helping out. how about a new clothing line leopard skin, lace, boots for 8 and 9-year-olds, especially the one on the left there. sexualizing our little girls a little too soon? want to hear from you, call, in 1-877-tell-hln. we also have a facebook poll so jump on. let's hear what you have to say.
welcome back it "prime news" on hln. do we really want our 8 and 9-year-old girls wearing fishnet and lace. new clothing line out there called oolalacoutoure. miley sigh krus's sister has worn the clothes. her best friend, launching the line. is this sexualizing little girls? we saw the lace. they are 8, 9. the boots. is this what we want? if they are wearing that at 8 and 9 i shudder to think what they are wearing at 12. are you comfortable with this? 1-877-tell-hln's the number. annie from texas, your thoughts? >> caller: yes. i'm a grandmother. i mhave nine grandchildren. if any of my family members dressed their children like that i think i would take a stick to them. >> just unacceptable, huh? >> caller: absolutely.
these children are too young. that's too young for 15. the older they get they will dress more provocative and more sexy. i don't know who came up with this line of clothing, but it completely ought to be banned everywhere. those little 8 and 9-year-olds look 15. >> they are kids, i think one of my basic points let kids be kids. we don't want them to grow up too fast especially talking about sexualizing our kids. call in, foenz tonys1-877-tell- number. brittany writing why can't we dress our kids in tutus and fishnets if that's our style? there you go the debate is on. 1-877-tell-hln. back with us to talk about it, kim sierra fin from "in touch" and michelle golland clinical psychologist. kim, go ahead. your thoughts on this. >> well, first of all i think there are a lot of erroneous reports about this clothing line which has made people very angry
about it. initially, the reports and rumors came out this was a lingerie line they were starting. that turns out not to be true. turns out it is dresses like little tutus girls can wear and this line em he will grace collection, emily reeves and mily's sister is not involved other than she has worn some of the clothes and is friends with emi emily. i think there were erroneous reports that started a lot of the anxiety around this and, also, if you look on youtube, i know there are some of these pictures that are a little risque but others they have tutus with t-shirts and sneakers and don't look sexualized at all. i think there are pikery pictures that are disturbing and you don't want your kids looking like that but -- >> you make a good points. some of the stuff, the tutus, colorful, nothing wrong with that but the lace, the fishnets
and some of the pictures we just showed, michelle golland isn't that too soon, i think it, is for an 8 or 9-year-old? >> i'm not so much worried about the kind of fabric as you are, mike. but, it's about the idea of is this the only thing that we teach our daughters that's important, that it's how they look, how they dress? do we expand their vision of lo dress? do we expand their vision of themselves? i think it's about moderation, you know, a tutu and sneakers, versus a tutu high heels and red lipstick, is a little different. it's about teaching your children about what is appropriate for what age. you don't wear certain things. my daughter doesn't realize that the shorts are too short, she doesn't really care. but i know what it looks like so she doesn't wear those anymore. >> a little modesty. fish nets and lace? come on.
of tiger's alleged mistresses. picture is featured on a set of golf balls, the mistress collection. she claims it promotes violence. is it out of line? what do you think? call in, 1-877-tell-hln. e-mail us, cnn.com/primenews or join the conversation on facebook, you can text us at hln, tv, start your message with the word "prime." it's your chance to be heard. welcome once again this is "prime news" i'm mike galanos. this just in to us, detectives are now asking for the public's help to find morgan harrington's killer. this young woman's body found on a remote farm in virginia, now cops say the remote location is key in the evidence here and could hold clues to finding morgan's killer. if you have questions, call in,
1-877-tell-hln is the phone number. morgan's father, dan harrington, we had a chance to talk to him before. dan, welcome back, how are you and your wife holding up? >> it's been a difficult week. we're having morgan's funeral mass tomorrow and a celebration of her life tomorrow evening and of course we have been devastated, i think over the last week with, you know, i think the reality, you always hold out hope and once the body is found, you have to start processing the information in a different fashion. >> when you talk about that, dan, and you have shown such strength in immediately having theories and talking to authorities. i mean you thought, right, that she didn't survive through the concert, right? >> i believe she was murdered the night that she was taken from the bridge and it's pretty clear having flown over the area
and seeing the area that the person who did this knew the area very well. there's no way a person could just stumble upon the farm land that she was found. >> so that goes along with what i said at the outset her, that no one could know where this is, right? you would have to be from the area to know where they wanted to put morgan, right? >> yes, it's an area that you have visited before or you live in the area and know the area very well. it's really quite remote. you know, the farm is a 700 acre farm and just to get to the area, there are really no roads to the area, so you have to go across pastures and there are fences and there are streams on the property. even a subdivision backs up on one side of it, but the subdivision has lots that are 15 and 20 acres per house. so it's not easy to get to, regardless of which direction you come to. >> dan, did you travel this yourself?
did you go to the area. >> we were pretty insistent when we went to charlottesville last tuesday that we wanted to see morgan's remains and we were not able to do that, but the police did comply and the flew us in the virginia police state helicopter and flew us over the area so we could see the work that was being done. >> how difficult was it to see basically the crime scene here, where her remains were found? >> it was pretty difficult. we were also fortunate to be able to see pictures of morgan's remains. and even though we couldn't see the remains, the remains have not been released yet from the medical examiner, so, you know, the only thing we have been able to see are photographs and it's quite shocking. >> and still no cause of death, right, dan. >> none that we know of. >> have you had a chance to talk
to friends? have you been in contact with the friends that she went to the concert with and what are they saying to you at this point. >> her friends were at our house last friday night for a candle light vigil and they'll be at the mass we'll be having tomorrow provided we don't get snowed out. but we do see the girls on a regular basis and obviously their lives wills have been changed by this event, just as ours have. >> and before we let you go, you mentioned the memorial as you celebrate morgan's short but impactful life, what will you say, what will you remember? >> i will remember that my daughter has made a difference in the world and we have not let morgan's life be forgotten and we will not let her death be in vain and we will go forward and we will find a reason, whether it be campus safety or other reasons to promote morgan's life
as something that was worthwhile. >> dan, our prayers are with you that you can remain strong and celebrate morgan's life tomorrow. our condolences to your wife tomorrow. >> want to go to courtney stewart. let's talk about the investigation, anything new on that front? >> well, they had a press conference today in which the lead investigator lieutenant raider really focused on the location that appears to be the critical piece. the medical examiner announced that it was indeed a homicide, which came as no surprise to anyone, but dr. harrington said there's been no cause of death. but they're just pursuing any lead that they have. >> we have got obviously the crime scene is number one, and i would imagine still, anybody who saw her at that concert has got
to have information. >> i talked to witnesses who saw her or believed they saw her and police have already heard their reports. since that time, no new witnesses have come forward to me, at least. whether that's different for the police, i don't know. >> okay, courtney, thanks again, courtney stewart, senior editor for the hook. coming up, a huge arrest in the sweat lodge deaths in arizona. remember, james arthur ray, who hosted the retreat, helped author the book "the secret." should he will held responsible? call in, 1-877-tell-hln.
welcome back to "prime news" on hln. just a short time ago, the guy who organized the deadly retreat in arizona had his day in court. his lawyer pleaded not guilty on his behalf. the charges, three counts of manslaughter in the deaths of three people at that sweat lodge ceremony back in october. to refresh your memory, 60-plus people packed into this hot, steamy tiny domelike setting for a spiritual cleansing and along with the three deaths we know 20 other people roughly were injured. now, ray's attorney says this was a terrible accident but it was an accident and not a criminal act. listen to this account, an employee who worked with ray explaining his actions as this tragedy unfolded. it was like an absolutely "m.a.s.h." unit. helicopters coming down. when he came out the helicopters
weren't there but at that time still bodies everywhere passed out and he walked out of there looking like a million bucks. >> there you have it. was this guy just ignorant or is this a blatant disregard for these people? blatant disregard for human life? joining me to talk about this nicole deboard, former prosecutor, also lynn lemaster from the "prescott news" this guy oblivious, how much does that factor into the charges he's facing? >> if he didn't believe his conduct was in any way going to harm anyone, on the other hand, this kind of crime in arizona requires only a recklessmental state, which means that he only had to be reckless and that's it. >> mike brooks, he's the guy in charge, right? >> he knew what was going to happen here. did he have enough medical personnel on hand to handle even just a couple of people passing
out? it sounds like he didn't. so that also goes to the recklessness of his conduct. and you know, did any of his people keep people in their physically, you know, from leaving? did they block any of the entrances where people could have gotten out? these are all things that will come out in court. but still, i still think this is total recklessness. >> here's the statement once against from his tomorrow. the charges are unjust and we will prove it in court. this was a terrible accident, but it was an accident, not a criminal act. normal sweat, from what we have talked to, should be 8 to 12 people, not 65. with that said, and there's what, you were with me last hour when we heard there was a nurse, maybe one doctor. two medical personnel for 65 people. how does that figure in? >> one thing that got mentioned earlier, is that he actually closed the door as each session
started or as the fatal session started and that concerns me certainly and i think that may be an argument, ultimately for the prosecution that he might have prevented people from leave until that circumstance. >> did he give any instructions to people if they started to feel ill, what to do, where these exits were in this place? th th . >> they're saying too, he just happened to be by one of the flaps so he was okay. we have some callers. bettina, how are you? >> caller: first of all i want to say my heart goes out to the families of those people that died. and mr. ray, or should i just say james ray, he is a mind manipulator and really, he's a murderer, but i believe he may get off because of the way it happened, because of the way, you know, it was a retreat, so he said, but he's a murder in my
eyesight, in my view. and he knew exactly what was going to happen and i can only imagine what was going on through his head, leading those people to their deaths. >> bettina, thanks for the call. a couple of things to hit on coming out of that. really the thing that we have to hit on is the waiver. people signed a waiver, they knew this could get dangerous, deadly, we're not sure, how is that going to figure in? >> that is going to be a big argument in the defense. the people who participated in this, they signed up for this. we also learned when these people passed out. james ray didn't take any positive action to try to remove them. >> and we heard from beverly bunt, someone who survived this, she said that he knew, but closed the flap anyway. he knew someone was passed out in the back. that could be the most damming
welcome back to "prime news" on hln. a mom in san antonio charged with two counts of capital murder in the deaths of her two little boys, a 1-year-old and a 3-year-old. police say she stabbed her two little boys to death and called 911 and said i killed my two babies. >> words can't describe the scene. it was unspeakably sad. >> the 22-year-old showed no emotion as she was led away in handcuffs, and we just learned in disturbing detail, a case worker had been to the house the day before this tragedy. were there any signs? we'll take your questions,
1-877-tell-hln. joining us, a clinical psychologist, chief big mcmanis, as is michelle mondo with the "express times." what did you and your officers run across ". >> the call came out for a cutting and the officers got on the scene and they found the mother, standing outside her home when we walked up to her, she said, i just culled my babies and put her hands out to be handcuffed, not very emotional at all, just rather matter of fact. >> well, let's get michelle in on that front. michelle, how does -- what's going on with her where she would just hold the wrists out and as the chief said matter of factually say i killed my babies. >> it reminds me of the andrea yates case, mike, if you remember. my clinical impression at this
point is sort of leaning to is there any sort of postpartum psychosis going on? this is what we see, you know, mothers that commit infanticide, usually it is a case of post-partum psychosis or revenge killing, which there was a flavor of that and a concern about that as well in wanting to notify her husband who was in prison. it's a horrible, horrible situation either way. >> it certainly is. michelle mondo covering this from the "express times" reporter. let's hit on the case worker there the day before. michelle, what did this case worker see? >> if i could just point out it's the san antonio express news. >> oh, okay, i'm sorry. >> okay. >> from what i understand, the case worker, who we haven't been able to talk to, we talked to the woman for cps, is case worker said it was a normal,
routine visit. the mom was happy to see her. there was absolutely no signs of abuse on the children. they were clean, they were well dressed and everything seemed fine. >> so, no signs, nothing anything wrong. michelle golland, does that surprise you? we think if you are hours away from doing this to your own children how could someone not tip somebody off in some way. >> actually, this would make more sense the fact she was resigned that she was maybe going to be doing this, you know, my other thought is that often in these situations there's some sort of religious overtone if someone is psychotic or delusional, you know, we don't know if maybe she felt she was saving her children from something. it's hard to tell clinically at this point what's going on, but those are my thoughts. >> come to think of it, you're right in some of the stories most recently it is already in their mind, almost a peace that they know they are going to do it, is that right. >> yes. that's exactly it. that it sounds like maybe the decision had been made.
you know, i'm curious why she was receiving services, if this was related to the husband being in jail, those sorts of thoughts are what are going through my mind. >> we'll get to that in a moment after the break. i want to get chief macmanus back in. bill, did you talk to the case worker and did the case worker have anything out of the ordinary to say about that visit? >> i spoke to her briefly, in a state of shock when she first arrived and the homicide detectives picked it up from there but i did not get into any kind of in-depth questioning with her. >> okay. all right. we'll continue this conversation and pick up on what was going on in that house, the father's in jail. what was going on between him and the mom? we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. also, the latest with tiger woods and an alleged mistress claiming he was sending steamy messages to her.
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