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>> hello and welcome. you are watching "france 24". i am francios picard. coming up, the world this week. washington's argument, the world problem. we will ask our panel if the headstrong showdown that shut down the u.s. federal government. will last long enough for lawmakers to fail to raise the debt ceiling sending markets spinning. also, do not call me far right.
the leader of the national front threatens to sue reporters that suggests that the anti- immigration party is anything the mainstream. -- anything but mainstream. we will also have our media watch segment. the hour begins in the newsroom. >> hello again. main headlines this hour. it recommends stripping berlusconi of his seat following convictions of tax fraud. the former premier maintains he is a victim of open data. -- victim o f f a vendetta. pope francis marks the day of warning after the shipwreck that killed 100 people. authorities are calling on me eu to rethink its immigration policy. getting their voices heard. 60 syrian refugees staged a sit in.
for the right to seek asylum in france. they remain determined to move on to the destination of choice --britain. before we develop those headlines, let's go to the developing situation in egypt here at medical sources say that at least one person has died from a gunshot wound near central cairo. the victim is reported to be a supporter of the muslim brotherhood. clashes broke out in the capital this friday, as brotherhood supporters are defying a security crackdown. we spoke to a journalist. >> it appears to be ongoing. it was basically -- it started with a number of muslim brotherhood protests that attempted to converge on tahrir square, and they were prevented from reaching tahrir square. it turned violent. we have reports of one person
killed. we are an hour away from the start of curfew. based on previous behavior, i think it is safe to say that any brotherhood supporters that are out on the streets in another hour will be dealt with more harshly because they will be violating the curfew. >> is this a sign authorities are struggling to contain what is left of the pro-morsi movement? >> it is part of the back-and- forth chess match between the two sides. the brotherhood has reduced the number of protest, but they are picking their spots and making their presence felt. they are moving to a hit-and-run model of popping up in unexpected places. but what is really going to be happening is that this weekend is going to be an extended showdown between the two sides. it is a holiday weekend. sunday is a national holiday celebrating the 1973 war against
israel. it is military-oriented. the brotherhood have artie announced t -- the brotherhood have announced that they will have rolling demonstrations. >> to italy where after a series of scandals, berlusconi looks like he may finally have to pay the political price. his conviction for tax fraud, and the senate recommended that the former premier be stripped of his duties. a vote is set to take lies within the next 20 days. could it really be the end of the road for berlusconi? take a listen. >> after what can only be described as a devastating week where he seriously underestimated the split within his own party when he tried to bring down the labor government. today the senate voted to throw
him out of the senate as a result of his tax fraud conviction which was upheld by the supreme court in august. now, he was expecting this. he does not have the numbers on the committee. nevertheless, this is a blow for the former prime minister who has dominated italian politics for 20 years. italian commentators this week work hauling the end of -- were calling this the end of his career. >> staying in italy 111 bodies have been recovered from the waters. rescue teams are continuing their search for more than 200 people still unaccounted for after thursday shipwreck. >> coast guard had another busy day on friday with hundreds of
shipwrecked migrants still unaccounted for, divers plunged to the seafloor, searching the wreck of the vessel. >> we will continue all day and all night until we are able to bury these bodies. >> back on land, hearses rolled o ut of the port. those who survived recounted their experiences to officials on site. >> they said they were shaken up. that all they are looking for is a better life. >> all day thursday and into the night, workers scoured the waters off to the coast, exhausted after hours stranded at sea, those still alive had barely enough strength to pull themselves aboard. the residents joined the rescue efforts and local fishermen sailed out to those clinging onto pieces of wreckage. many locals are angry about the numbers of migrants arriving and fatal accidents have become too
frequent. >> it cannot continue like before. otherwise, there will be other bodies again in the future. >> in rome, the senators joined italians across the country observing a minute of silence. outside, flags at half mast in what the pope dubbed a day of tears. >> it is a start. 60 syrian refugees have been granted the right to seek asylum in france. this actors aging is sitting -- a sit in calasi. is. all the group is hoping for is to cross over to britain. the member from britain's border police have been sent to calais. we have more. >> syrian refugees far from home with no solution in sight. some have been in the port town for weeks. those less fortunate for months.
this group includes women and children. they are seeking asylum in the u.k. complaints of being treated like animals remain unanswered some 20 of them are on hunger strikes. and these two once threatened to jump off the roof if their demands are not met. >> the procedures are faster than here, and some of us have relatives there. and for me personally, i am sticking en --speaking english. >> the region's prefecture offered the syrians the right to asylum in france. >> there is no concrete place for them to be proposed by the authorities. they are fed up with the way they are treated by the french authorities. a want to try to reach england because they think they would be more well treated and they would have a chance to get asylum.
>> according to the u.n., 17 countries including france have agreed to receive refugees fleeing the civil war. with france pledging to fast- track the applications, the question remains -- will these syrians finally find a place they can call home? >> in other news, street violence and kenya has left four people dead this friday. they linked police for the killing of a muslim cleric on thursday. security denied the death was a reprisal for the september 21 attack on the mall that killed more than 60 people. an attack claimed by el- shabab. the u.s. has issued a travel warning and their warning about revenge violence against somalis. as more controversy in the lead up to the 2022 world cup in
qatar. fifa is announced that it is launching a process to decide whether to move away from the traditional june-july slot to spare the fans the heat. there are growing allegations that the mostly migrant workers employed to build the stadiums are being exploited and forced to work in conditions that amount to slavery. on that point, the fifa president says he cannot interfere and cannot ignore the claims, either. >with that, we are leaving this addition. it is time to hand you back to francios picard for the world this week. -- francois picard. >> it is time for the world this week. four correspondence. how are you? >> very well. >> we welcome the correspondent for the italian public broadcasting. thank you for being with us.
craig, the atlantic. and the former france deux senior correspondence. angie for joining us. the world this week -- thank you for joining us. our hashtag twtw. the clock continues to tick on that standoff in washington. since tuesday, u.s. federal government has shut down nonessential services, not completely, but 800,000 federal employees laid off, another 1.4 million working without pay. if the shutdown persists beyond october 17 when congress has to raise the debt ceiling, well, then it becomes the whole world problem, with the u.s. running the risk of defaulting on debt. friday morning there was hope with the new york times and washington post reporting that john boehner might blink first a nd cross the aisle.
however, republican lawmakers have since come out of the meeting with him flatly denying it all. wherein lies the truth? >> well, ok, i will go out on a limb and say the u.s. will not default on its debt, that the debt ceiling will be raised, as it has 47 times in the past, and that at the end of the day the republicans will blink. john boehner does not want this on his sheet. what is extraordinary about this to the observer is how far these republican extremists are willing to go, just to bring the spotlight on them and to supposedly prove to the people who sent him to washington that they are there to do with they were elected to do, which is to stop obamacare, which is what they are doing. they are holding the budget and they are holding the debt ceiling hostage to try and get
this law defunded. >> when he woke up tuesday morning, the whole world is ending, this is terrible. the first time in 17 years. the markets closed this friday -- are going to close slightly up. it seems as though wall street does not seem that worried. >> they are worried more about the debt ceiling not being raised on the 17. they are concerned about that. as time goes on and we get closer to october 17, if there is still this great gap between these two sides of the house and the senate, they will be very concerned. i think you will see what a bit of volatility. for right now it seems like a very remote possibility. so nobody is registering it. people are not putting their money on the side of the catastrophe. if the u.s. does default, it is a catastrophe. >> should wall street worried? >> if you are a stock trader,
no. it is bonds that will get slammed. people are making easy money because of what is known as quantitative easing. what that means is the united states government keeps the printing presses running and they keep pumping money into the economy. that money goes into the stock market. when you get into the realm of debt, you are talking bonds. similar problem in italy. bond prices. that is the real problem. the republicans and the democrats are both acting like petulant little children. they are both manipulating themselves for the 2014 elections. they put the good faith and credit of the united states in crisis. that is one thing the united states does not need right now. >> both acting like petulant children. you agree? >> i think they have something in common with in europe and america in this moment. populism against responsibility.
i see the tea party wants just to be in the front page. the same in italy. our populist movement wants to be on the front page no matter what. so i think we will make an appeal to the people of good faith and good responsibility to save us from the catastrophe. >> you were joking at the beginning of the week that we had seen this movie before 17 years ago. is it different, the sequel? >> this time it is more serious because of the crisis and because of the lack of faith in the american institutions, which might be more durable and may go beyond the deadline of 17 of october. markets may still react. from the point of view of a european, it's so incredible that a small, ideological grouping borne out of the -- a
democratic function of a primary election in the united states might hold saway over the grand old party. and that in consequence reach as far as asia where president obama will not be able to attend a meeting in the region that is considered pivotal in terms of security and trade, pivotal for american diplomacy. this is incredible. >> the crux of this problem goes to obamacare, universal health care in the united states, which we all here as european citizens are blessed with. and it works. this is what started this. and in the yelling and screaming cacophony, there has only been one voice that made any sense. it was the last adult we had in the white house, president bill clinton. he said that the only way obamacare is going to work is if
young people singn up. >> let's get back to that point. that is an important aspect. on twitter, we have a reaction about the screening you referred to. enough with the shutdown, already. get back to work like the rest of us. one man who must be feeling it more than most is the top ranking republican on capitol hill. john boehner has had to dig in his heels. >> we sent four proposals to the senate. they rejected all of them. we have asked for a conference, to sit down and resolve our differences. they do not want to, they will not negotiate. >> on the other side of the aisle, the president has turned up the volume with daily attacks , some directly aimed at john boehner. >> the only thing that is keeping the government shutdown, the only thing preventing people from going back to work and basic research starting back up
and farmers and small-business owners getting their loans, the only thing that is preventing all that from happening right now, today, in the next five minutes, is that speaker john boehner won't even let the bill get a yes or no vote, because he does not want to anger the extremist in his party. >> the prologue to this story is last weeks 21 hours tirade by the junior senator from texas, republican ted cruz, who is pondering a run for president, getting attention with a filibuster against obamacare that included bedtime stories for his daughter watching at home. however, will there be a boomerang effect for the president? is he so sure it will be the same outcome as in 1996 when like the one who was trying to get things done and got easily reelected? >> i think there is a good chance this will boomerang. if not, help obama who has a lot
more hurdles to get over before he is loved again, it is definitely having an effect on the republican. if i were somebody like john boehner or a moderate republican, i would be very concerned about the fact that these extremists in the party are the ones who are putting the party in jeopardy. even donors are beginning to say, i cannot give money. you are too shambolic and two crazy. this is not why we sent you to washington. i feel pretty strongly that this is not going to come to a default. and we have midterm elections coming up. you can see a huge, huge boomerang effect once congress has to get reelected. >> at the same time, we are hearing that eventually if john boehner does cut a deal with moderate republicans crossing the aisle, that he will be out of his job. >> i think the problem goes much deeper. we talked a lot on this program,
we have written stories about the so-called virtual universe, people spending their lives on the computer, having virtual lives. there is a virtual civil war and the united states right now, make no mistake. it's being played out on twitter and facebook and all of these different highly politicized television networks. and the fear is is at some point this will spill over. may i point out briefly that this recent event where a woman who was mentally disturbed try to ram into the white house and then went to capitol hill and was killed in the accident or was shot, there were congressman who stood up and tv anchors who said that this was related to the shutdown. so this virtual war that is going on is starting to spill over. >> you were saying you did two stins ts in the u.s.
and the second time around, what was the difference in tone? >> i was impressed by the tone of president obama and with john boehner. with john boehner, there has always been a good relationship. and john boehner always tried to come across and find a solution. but don't believe the tea party is rational. it is heavily financed by big bosses. these people have to put their money where their mouth is, and stop funding these crazy hooligans. >> is politics changing forever in the united states? >> i'm not sure, but let me say the united states used to be -- and say, europe does not have the telephone number.
today, who knows the telephone number of congressman seuss >> the start of the lockdown coinciding with day one of the sign up for one in seven americans who have no health care coverage. state by state health insurance exchanges whose websites have been swamped since tuesday. too early to say if the plan will be a success. >> it is hard to be really excited about it today. on a personal level, i will save a few dollars. i would almost pay those dollars to get the government back running. >> americans are really not very good at sacrificing for the greater good. i do not mean this lady. she is uninsured. she is signing up for insurance which she will be able to get under the plan. what americans have not been great at is socialism with a small "s."
they have never been terrific at saying, ok, i am doing pretty well. my tax rate is a little higher than my neighbors who is not doing so well. but i am paying into a pot that will ensure that all around me people will do better. in the long run, that is better for me because there might be less crime. there is going to be a more educated population. everyone will regard retirement not as a ticket to the poor house but as a comfortable and to a working life. and so on down the road. americans are really bad at playing along came. >> anne's right. if it is even possible to put aside the rhetoric, this vicious rhetoric going on, obamacare is seriously flawed. it was seriously flawweed from inception. obama has gone and 17 times to change it around to benefit certain individuals, like the u.s. congress.
now, the republicans have used this as a cudgel. let's put that aside. they went into this too quick. the united states came to global, universal health care too late in the game. as i have written and said before, health care in europe, which we benefit from, was something that was forged by oath the left and the right. that is not what is going on in the united states. until that discussion can be had, i do not think obama care is going to work, because clinton's big worry is as i mentioned before is that there will not be enough young people singingning up because they do t have the money. >> the number of young people that sign up is the indicator we will watch. a final point, another casualty of the shutdown -- barack obama's trip to the asean summit and a tour of malaysia.
china's president in a cartoon on this week's op-ed pages of the international herald tribune. he does not need to contain, we do not need to contain u.s. power. they are doing it themselves. the asia pivot that is not happening. is it ok for washington to play catch up and go to the next summit? >> this is asia. if you lose faith, it is terrible. the chinese leader is -- has increased across asian positions in terms of security, martime line -- maritime lines, raw materials, their political interests, their security interests. in the meantime, the united states, which used to be the great security guarantor in the region, is unable to perform. this is something the asians will remember some of the japanese. >> they are very nervous a premg
in front of the malaysian parliament for the first time in history, giving of his wisdom. they are very disappointed. our chief asia correspondent has written extensively about this. this is a big blow. this is the third big trip to asia obama has had to put off. this is supposed to be our chief diplomatic thrust in the second term. it is not so much a problem for the united states per se, because the u.s. has bigger fish to fry, but the asians are very concerned about the u.s. not taking the stage to go heads up with the chinese. >> this lends itself to something i wrote about during a trip to china earlier this year. i was astonished by the number of western businessman there and leaders who said that
electoral democracy is not the only model anymore. in fact, it does not work. there is another model, the jeffersonian democracy. and that is the chinese way. i was astonished to hear the number of people saying that. people no longer in that part of the world don't automatically looked united states. the days when you were in vietnam even if the government was not democratic, people looked to the united states for help. they are not doing that anymore. >> there are some countries that still look to the u.s., some countries would not expect, iran, for example. such a huge discrepancy between what people know about iran, because of what the officials say in what the people feel. the americans are still role mod els in terms of what should be
achieved, but not at the price of becoming the masters. still -- america has a card to play in those areas in terms of culture and setting an example but only to a certain limit. >> is it american ideas or is it american products? see, i find it more like a product pushout now. is t ideas. of the 1950's. what is important for her radiance to enjoy the same opportunities -- for iranians is to enjoy the same opportunities. >> when we come back we will graduate to dysfunctional european politics and ask if it is finally time to write the political obituary of one gentleman in italy. stay with us.
>>[speaking italian] the 2/3 -- >> before we resume, let's give you the example of the stories that we will be following up the top of the hour on "france 24." day four of the shutdown in washington. republicans, a lot of a meeting with seeker john boehner denying reports of a deal to bring the debt ceiling to a vote. now berlusconi one step closer to being barred from office. the search for the dead continues off the italian island where a sea disaster killed scores of african migrants. the pope denouncing the
globalization of indifference. riot police in egypt fired tear gas and lockdown tahrir square after a push to rally by islamist supporters of ousted president morsi. and he was the victor in the battle of dmv into. -- dien beivien phu. he passed away at the age of 102. we will have those stories and much more for you at the top of the hour on "france 24." welcome back. this is the world this week. with us is anne of the international herald tribune and anotonio, a public broadcaster, and the former france deux senior correspondent we are getting it the news of general giap dying at the age of
102, a master of guerrilla tactics. you met him. >> i met with the general in the former french governorship in hanoi, which is now the seat of the vietnamese government. we had a long and quite warm conversation in the garden. he cut a rose for me. he insisted that we do the interview in his office. d he turned pretty aggressive. a little later, communist reporters explain to me that he was being taped by his political enemies so he had to be aggressive with western journalist. that meant that the man who had scored so many battles in the >> amazing.nemies at home. we are going to tell another story politics shortly which is that of coming out out italy,
we have been talng about peonalmbitions and national interest. berlusconi, the question everyone is asking is can he write his political obituary? staging a dramatic u-turn on wednesday. the week began with the former prime minister defiant after celebrating his birthday, forcing the vote of confidence of a sales tax hike, to stop the lifting of his community over tax fraud. with allies jumping ship, who t weeted he was pro-berlusconi but in a different way, he reversed himself. >> italy needs a government that institutional reforms that the country needs to modernize. we have decided not without
internal strife to vote in conference. >> antonio, were u.s. caught off guard as we were when he stood up and saidhat? >> no, because i know very well berlusconi. as giap, lead more than 100 years. he has a long way to go before we count him out. he has resources we cannot imagine. >> this friday, and his political community has been lifted by the committee. >> the committee's proposal to the assemblies to vote. >> it is not even a sure thing -- >> it was in secret. now until the day of the vote, he can buy all of the votes he needs. for suere, he is defeated, he is
in trouble, but not that. -- not dead. >> i was shocked that you would accept gia -- mix up giap and berlusconi. do you think we have seen him last gasp of political bunga in italy? >> it is a long way to go. still an empire. do not forget the power of berlusconi. he owns en empire. so it is going to be, pretend. he does not to win to have staying power. to rule is money and it's power and he will do it for a long time. >> there was an italian prime minister who wielded enormous power and he wound up having to
flee the country. he lived in exile in tunisia. do you agree with antonio that we will not see that happen to berlusconi? >> berlusconi said that himself. this is the model that is held up to all of our downcast eyes. berlusconi is going to stand and fight. although his reversal in a weeks ways, the fact that he did stand up and vote confidence in the government is a very clever way of buying himself a little time and maybe even buying and sell support. he may have for a brief moment just become the guy who subordinated personal ambition to the greater good. this is what he is trying to do. some people might actually believe it. >> since 1992, there have been 14 governments in italy. they had better do their opera book there. >> berlusconi was a sign of
continuity. >> he was the lead singer in this opraera. i think we are all enamored by berlusconi. you said something before when talking about populist, that is key, because people are fed up with technocrats and they want populists. and what the technocrats have not been able to do in italy and the populists don't get is the amount of power that italy has had to cede to brussels and berlin. >> that brings us to the topic of the current prime minister, letta, for trade when he took office as a weak prime minister at a helm of the shaky coalition. is that all going to change? >> i trust letta.
he is the first european leader we have that speaks french and english. that is incredible for an italian politician. is it good? he can talk with parliament and with the european immunity. -- community. if you are populist, he is the only hope italy has. make reform. it is hard to do. all they do is shout and make confusion. >> the upside of all of this as we now have as of tuesday, the same day you had to shut down washington, a sales tax in italy that has risen to 22%. what politician to get reelected with a 22% vat? >> a politician who knows he cannot be reelected like all the politicians were before just having fun with voters.
you have to do something unpopular to make reform and cut labor costs. that is what letta has to do. >> who is going to do it, letta or brussels and berlin? >> i hope that happens. otherwise draghi said the only thing we need is stability and reform and the only guy that can make it is letta. if he's able to survive. >> weigh in? >> stability and reform? there is one school of thought that says that is what governments and countries need. this is a big victory for stability. on the other hand, when you have strong national governments and you have also got russell's taking a big hand -- brussels taking a big hand, you give rise to populists. >> this friday, a day of national mourning in italy when all of the bodies are recovered.
an island that is closer to north africa and sicily. the death toll could top 300. the vessel caught fire on thursday. most of the dead are from the horn of africa and ghana. >> we expected that after so many instances something would change. we hoped for something to change . it cannot continue like before. otherwise, there will be a other bodies again in the future. >> the peoope who this friday called the disaster shameful and denouncing what he said was a globalization of indifference. >> i cannot mention without great dismay the numerous victims of the latest tragic shipwreck which occurred today off the coast.
the word that comes to mind, the mayor, she has 6000 constituents and she has all of these migrants coming towards her. why hasn't she got more backup? >> well, what you expect your can do when you have problems with financial means and problems with sovereignty and most of the people in the southern mediterranean are doing their own thing, l ike pspain with the other countries of western africa and italy at the time of qaddafi had deals that were not humanitarian for people that were pushed back to libya. she does not have that.
what people tend to overlook is beyond the humanitarian drama, you see, is the people that are coming very often pay about $2000 or euro. so a ship like the one which sank, this is a $1 million business. to pay for that, people back in somalia or eritrea have sold their cattle, their land, their gold, because they invested in one person. it is just like losing in the stock market. when the the people die, they get even deeper into poverty. >> what we forget is that this perilous journey is one stage of the trip. if you have left from addis ababa or from mogadishu, you have already crossed how many thousands of miles and how many countries just to get to the port and cross the
mediterranean? >> yes, well, this is the upshot of the revolution in libya. no one controls the country, the borders. and no one explains on the spot to people, no one does counterintelligence like the spanish have done. training bureaus where people make sure that i-formation is across the crossing the mediterranean is no way to reach happiness in paradise and riches. >> there is no easy answer for anyone, including the people in brussels, because sending the message that you can come in will create more of a flood, and at the same time, it right now it seems as though the policies in brussels, one member of
parliament announcing the fact that the policies are into keeping them out. there is nothing to be done to help those that are stranded at sea. >> we were speaking about clinton. haitian refugees. he handled it very well. he put them in a camp in guantanamo. it was not something i do not think human, but clever. we need something clever, not human. we need -- europe has to know that 3 out of 10 immigrants go to germany. 2 out of 10 go to france, then to england. in italy, they do not stay because there are no jobs. europe has to realize this is a european problem. we have to face this like clinton did with haitians. in someways there is no solution, but italy has not, the
problem does not have a solution but has to be faced in a col lective way. >> a front page story this friday. do you have a sense that europe has woken up, that this is a problem and not just a problem of sicily? >> i do not know. the particulars of the stories were so sad that i do not know if anybody is drawing the bigger lesson. people will look at the fact that spain and italy have this problem. 2 million syrian refugees. the whole scrcrescent area, the countries that people in somalia have to go through to get to eu rope. since the land border crossings are so difficult, this is why so many people take the sea route. and it's much more dangerous. are we indifference or that or do we figure this is the risk they take? what can we do if we have so many people pouring over
borders? >> there is nothing new here. the pope is the only one speaking with a clear voice. the globalization of indifference. europ has known this has been going on for a long timee. >> they are saying that it is because they recently made it tougher to crossover from turkey into greece, that more people are starting to try the sea route. >> there have always been people coming across the sea route. for the past 20 years. this is nothing new, boys and girls. europe, italy, every country in the union has failed to have what we will call a solution, that there is -- where's the leadership? is a little bit late in the fourth quarter of the game right now to find a leader who can take the ball?
berlusconi? >> iran? >> the silver lining for some. an effect for the authorities in calais. to prefect offering political asylum to several dozen syrian migrants who staged a sit-in. they are protesting the cat and mouse games they have to play with police to find a way to cross the channel to dover. >> we want to go to england because their procedures are faster and some of us have relatives there. for me, personally, i am speaking english. for this reason i want to go there. >> the conditions are dire. the dooms of calais. it is a political hot potato between france and britain. >> yes, but at the same time,
not surprised that the french government finally decided to give them asylum, because hollande was farmost in terms of putting syria on the national agenda. he could not be perceived as being -- hesitating to help syrians, on ce they are in h is home territory. the english have said that they will decide on a case-by- case, by situation. and so there are only a few people, the germans are more ready. syrians, there is an enormous crisis around the committee coming from bulgaria and romania, because most of the time they are perceived as being, interfering in the life
of normal frenchmen, fa outside of the areas they liver in. there is a national debate on roms in france, how can you expect a debate about 2 million syrians. no one will do it politically. >> we will continue to follow the story. before we go, journalists, beware. if you call friends's national -- france's national front leader far right, le pen says she'll sue. she calls it a word that is contrary to the law into the truth. the national front, is it far right? >> be careful. if it were not far right, that would be a joke. i'm really taken aback by the
reaction. it is not surprising, because she wants to make sure that the extreme right is no longer considered the heir to the extreme right in france which abedded the nazis. this is the affiliation she wants to make sure she cuts off. she wants to get rid of the heavy anti-semitism. >> she is still the honorary president of the party. >> she's trying to put on sheepskin for the old wolf. this is almost funny. >> she was interviewed on thursday by bfn tv, and the presenter said, if you are not far right, why do you make alliances with the far right in austria and belgium? >> she said they are not far right, either.
there are movements in europe that are rising, defending the nation and defending sovereignty and their identity, that are against the european union and the euro but not far right. it is not just france. >> we have the far right in italy. i would name it populist, the same thing as tea party. right and left have no meaning anymore. populists are responsible people. >> can you change your stripes? >> me, personally? can she change?
it is going to take more than suing journalists. golden dawn is trying to pull the same trick. their leader was jailed this week. when you get a golden dawn a microphone, the first thing he will say is we reject the neo- nazi label. ok, the jack boots and the anti- semitism and beating up anybody who is different, that is just a whole different smoke from what happened in germany in the 1930's? you can play with the words all you want. >> i have never called her far right. people like le pen to me are extremely dangerous people. and the more press we give individuals like that on an issue as, do not call the far
right, i think it only adds to the danger. le pen, you want to sue me? you are far right and dangerous. >> i want to thank you, all. i want to thank you for being with us for the world this week. before we say goodbye, let's say hello to olivia. our media watch segment. >> le pen, far right. what does she want to be called? plenty of reaction in the mainstream media, talking about the cleanup operation. there is an editorial. who says there is no debate. she does in body the far right. she challenges the notion of equality. she does not really respect the notion of fraternity with her islamophobic rights and she
jeopardizes abortion rights. not sure how far he's got with that campaign. another campaign says that le pen is not far right and i am. it is a ritual campaign. -- a ridicule campaign. the junior development minister says, she is not on the right, and i think climate change does not exist. some people have been ridiculous with the campaign, saying she is not on the right and i go to work naked on the back of rainbow colored unicorns. yeah, i'm far left as well. he is well-known for conservatism. no one taking it seriously on social media. >> twitter unveiled his plan to
go public this friday. >> is a big wake. the founders said with the new president of iran he had a conversation. he tweeted to rouhani. good to see you here. are citizens of iran able to read your tweets? to which he replied, my efforts are to ensure that my people will be able to access all information globally as is their right. there has been a lot of debate around this issue. what twitter represents in this new geopolitical space, because it is a very web= friendly attitude of rouhani.
he's tweeted obama. in english in the context of the u.n. general assembly earlier this week. there is a debate now saying, is this new virtual space away for us to preempt or see dialogue happening virtually before it happens really? how long before they become friends on facebook? >> you have to be fast to keep up with the news these days. i wanta to thank our panel. thank you for being with us here for "the world this week."