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me a him an and i you coming up, this is the debate. day one of discussions in geneva between around -- iran and the nuclear negotiators. this is the follow-up to that first phone conversation since the iranian revolution of 1979.
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we will also be checking in from the media watch segment. let's say hello once again. >> a debt proposal rejected from the house of representatives. two days before the u.s. might run out of money to pay its bills. talks with world powers on the nuclear program. a strong earthquake strikes the central philippines. first to the u.s. where the
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house of representatives are questioning plans to prevent a default on american debt. the white house has rejected the house proposal calling it a partisan attempt to appease a small group of tea party conservatives. it said a deal is far from being struck. here is our business editor with more. >> you have the republican and democratic senators actually agreeing on a plan. it would see the debt ceiling raised until february and see the government funded until mid- january which would end the u.s. pgovernment shutdown. they are working on a completely different flan and are still trying to tie this tax closely
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related to obamacare to the raising of the debt ceiling. >> we met with our members today to try to find a way forward in a bipartisan way that would continued to try to provide fairness to the american people under obamacare. there have been no decisions about what exactly we will do. but we will continue to work with members on both sides of the aisle to make sure that there is no issue of default. >> some very angry reactions to this new plan coming out of the republican party in the house.
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harry reid says that the plan and the attempts to negotiate have been completely blindsided by this house proposal and says this is a blatant attack on bipartisanship. >> including six world powers including the u.s. and france. iran had made a useful presentation on its nuclear program and the deputy foreign minister said the talks have been positive. >> these talks are trying to break the deadlock of the nuclear program. iran has seen nuclear sanctions. the discussions began with an hour-long presentation being
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described as a potential breakthrough. >> we are not here symbolically or to waste time. we are the real target of negotiations. >> despite insisting the plan will remain confidential, iran says that snap inspections are not part of the proposals. they offered to discuss uranium enrichment at the talks. the u.s., u.k., france, russia, and china want to cap how much enriched uranium can be used to make nuclear weapons. >> what matters is the end result which may address the international community's concerns about the purely peaceful nature about the iranian nuclear program. they have to reach a decision
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where they have verifiably proven that there is no nuclear military program. >> discussions are being held in english. the u.s. says it would welcome a bilateral meeting on the sidelines of the geneva gathering. >> an alleged figure captured in libya is due to face a judge. implicated over the 1998 bombings of the u.s. embassies in kenya and tanzania. and our international affairs editor. can you tell us a bit more. >> he was accused of helping to plan those bombings and carrying
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out surveillance around the buildings. they were a problem, those bombings working at those embassies. this was the event that really brought al qaeda to the attention of the american public. it was in guided by a u.s. federal court in 2001. but more recently, there have been several indications he is no longer an active member and that he had nothing to do with the attack on the u.s. consulate in september of 2012. >> other such trials have dragged on for a while. is there a risk that this can go the same way? >> some republicans have said that he should be sent straight to guantánamo because interrogation can lead to the most useful information being obtained from him in those
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circumstances. it is not an option for the obama administration. it can't possibly add to the number of prisoners when obama us stated aim is to close down that cap. he definitely wants to use a civilian court for this trial and that has what has happened. there have been 125 convictions on terrorism charges. the military connections, not a single case has been completed. the civilian route has produced some results. the obama administration would be looking to argue that the civilian process works and to look at the trial and see if it
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can be done without too many hitches or challenges, at which case he would use it as an argument to say that we need to get the remaining guantánamo detainees into that civilian process. >> just pleaded not guilty to terrorism charges in the u.s.. and now the philippines where a 7.1 magnitude earthquake has claimed 93 lives. extensive damage also. >> one woman pulls her child. security footage shows how locals poured onto the streets
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as the earthquake struck before 8:00 on tuesday morning. many of the deaths caused by collapsed masonry. shocked bystanders saw falling debris killed people at this fish market as the roof crumbled. >> the earthquake stopped but there was another tremor, so we rushed out. there was a big chunk of concrete that fell from the lower floors. >> the epicenter was over 60 kilometers away. the island renowned for its sandy beaches. most of the casualties occurred there. hospital patients were brought outside. even newborn babies judged to be safer in the outdoors. >> the patients themselves wanted to get out.
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>> it is feared that the country's oldest church could be just one of up to 10 religious sites steeped in history. more than 1000 workers took part in a protest this tuesday from across the country. they are angry about a major restructuring plan that includes job cuts worldwide. the french american company risks disappearing if the finances don't improve soon. that is all for now from the newsroom. >> clear pride in the newsroom. is it a new era for iran and the west? a decade of stalemate, negotiators suddenly seemed to be bargaining in earnest.
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at the openness tuesday in talks, declaring the nation no longer wants to walk in the dark. the european counterpart responding that we have seen good news coming out of tehran. hot on the heels of a major charm offensive where at one point the chief negotiator was at the united nations in new york. a phone conversation with a conciliatory u.s. counterpart. has iran's conservative supreme leader given a true green light to the team in geneva e it is early days but could he agreed to normalize ties with the
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united states? iran, let's talk. of the national iranian american council. >> the former french ambassador, thank you for being with us. from washington, the foreign- policy initiative think tank. and a research fellow at the institute for perspective and security studies in europe. you can join the conversation on facebook and on twitter. too soon to judge the words of the iranian deputy foreign minister on whether or not today's talks are groundbreaking. too soon to judge.
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but are you surprised at the speed at which things are now happening? >> first, i am no longer with the iranian foreign council. that was last year. both sides have a common interest to find a deal. >> right away, we are going to be in geneva? >> not necessarily right away, but after the election, that deal can be within reach next year. we feel that the iranian leadership is kind of preparing
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for a potential deal. the real problem is to be able to sell a deal back home. this is not an easy thing to do. >> you have seen negotiations come and go. did you think this time was different? >> in a hurry. we have sentences, it is no use spending in the economy. it is believed that soon, he is
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in the hands of the west because the negotiators have put on the table a plan, an ambitious plan today. we have to respond. we know there is a real chance of a breakthrough. >> we don't know much about what happens except the news agencies insisting there was a nifty powerpoint presentation. what do you see being the acid test? >> the first thing is that i think many in u.s. congress want negotiators to approach this not
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as trying to get iranian concessions but getting iranian compliance. that is over a decade's worth of resolutions demanding that they stop the activities until they can get a clean bill of health. we are seeing elements of the obama administration extremely eager to get a deal no matter what. what you're hearing from both sides, republicans and democrats -- >> the obama administration wants a deal no matter what? what do you mean? >> they don't actually deal with iran's growing capability to build a nuclear weapons on very short notice.
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>> one has to remember that kerry said it is better to have no deal than a bad deal. i am not sure the americans are ready to accept any kind of deal. the pressure is too high from congress. and now we will see, we have to remember the civil servants in the resolution of the security council. we won't find the momentum for this resolution. >> nuclear negotiations seem to be going well for iran.
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again, this is all about the iranian nuclear program at the heart of the matter. >> iran will scale back the nuclear enrichment program that many nations fear could aid in making a bomb. iran insists it has the right to enrich uranium for the civilian program but is open to talk about levels and quantities. their nuclear capabilities are already well advanced. tucked away is the nuclear site. it is these spinning centrifuges that present a daunting challenge. fluoride gas is sent into centrifuges for enrichment. iran has been converting some of the low enriched uranium at
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3.5%. they say they need it for a medical research reactor. currently, iran has 8000 kilograms of uranium enriched at 3.5% here in since 2006, the islamic republic has rejected un security council demands. leading to increasingly stringent sanctions. they have been squeezing iran's oil exports. the question now about inflation spiraling and the economy struggling, how willing are they to give up a cherished part of the nuclear program? >> how willing is iran to
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basically stand down? >> i think iranians have been eager to negotiate. it is always very difficult for people to be fooled by people on the ground. the fooled by the conservative part, sometime in washington dc, at the end of the day, we need the americans to accept the fact that they are willing to negotiate. if it is always about compliance, it will not help. from the american point of view, i hear that sanctions and pressure -- it is just a political move to get something better from the iranian population.
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we will lose this opportunity to negotiate. >> beyond compliance, the first step is to comply. the on compliance, what can these negotiators offer tehran? >> it is a great question. the last decade of negotiations with iran, they were offered an amazing deal. a comprehensive long-term agreement that would have begun the process of normalizing relations and providing them with a live water reactor as well as cooperation in the economic sector. all they had to do was suspend and stop enrichment and processing activities.
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and at this point, we are looking at playing small ball. offering to do something with the medium enriched our -- stockpile uranium. the question is, what level of relief will u.s. diplomats offer? >> sanctions is an important point because we are often asked what the iranians have on the table. we need to know what the americans put on the table. it is like a poker game, we are not going to say here is what we are ready to put on the table. both sides have agreed to keep these talks confidential and not to share any details. >> we will not see that powerpoint?
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>> unfortunately not, maybe later. some people in washington are happy to get a deal. it has become a necessity. iran's economy is hurt by sanctions, but it doesn't mean that it is in a position of weakness. there have been deals before. missed opportunities. today is different. i think iran is not weakened by what is happening in the region right now, and if there is a deal, it is for common interests in iran and the europeans and americans for the region, and structuring them to have a long- term vision.
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but also to have restructuring >> they say they are both being reasonable for once. a lot of viewers thinking what is happening is a positive step. benjamin netanyahu's message could be summed up in one word. beware. >> france, like the jewish people, was the victim of a great historic mistake of not standing up to a radical regime. don't do that again. it happened in north korea, it happened before in europe, don't make the same mistake. france is in a good position. and i would say to the people of
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france and president hollande, stay strong. >> is it right to make this comparison with the famous meeting with munich where the west caved in to adolf hitler? >> unit has been used so many times as a trite comparison. but it is true that it was compared by the personality and the diplomatic offensive. he was much more comfortable with ahmadinejad. now things are changing fast and it is difficult for him. he has a kind of blitzkrieg.
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we also see the result obviously swimming against the current of the moment. >> can you legitimately be worried? >> everyone can be legitimately worried about the iranian nuclear program. not because they are close to the bomb, but it is true that it is an ambiguous program because atomic technologies are ambiguous by nature. we have to come out of the ambiguity of the right side, of course. iran is ready to make lots of concessions and accept lots of control. they want something in return. people recognize the technology
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they have developed, it is legitimate to have a legitimate right to develop it. of course, there is a sanction in iran. >> we will talk about the sanctions after the break. many ordinary iranians say, how come israel gets to have the bomb and not us? >> iran signed the treaty of the nonproliferation and has obliged itself to act in certain ways in regards to a peaceful nuclear program and be transparent about what it is doing. for countries are israel, india, pakistan, and north korea which withdrew. those countries are not obliged
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to the terms of the treaty. that is the big difference. >> the stability of the region, we have to acknowledge nuclear weapons are dangerous. it is not just about legal issues. it is also about security issues. when you have israel at war, it is simply not safe to have nuclear weapons in the region. and being worried about a nuclear armed iran doesn't mean being against negotiations. they are at the table, willing to talk, finding a deal. >> we will take a quick break and please stay with us.
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>> before we resume, we will give you a sample of the stories we're following at the top of the hour. a tough sell for that compromise being worked out in washington ahead of the deadline for the debt ceiling to be erased. the senate leaders skeptical over the house's proposal. scores die after a strong earthquake hits the central philippines. 7.1 magnitude. in afghanistan, the governor of the province killed when his microphone blew up. more than a dozen injured and several in critical condition.
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last day of qualifiers in europe for the world cup. france takes on finland to bolster their second-place heading to return lakes. it will be the issue of playing against poland and trying to secure a top place. those stories and much more at the top of the hour. this is the debate. we are on day one of talks in geneva between iranian negotiators and the nations of the un security council with germany. we are talking about it with an
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analyst from the huffington post , most notably. the foreign-policy initiative with us from washington. and from the institute for prospective and security studies. welcome back to all of you. not uncorking the champagne yet. iranian investors believe that the stock market has soared in the past month on hopes that a deal -- look at some of the others in the red. flat this year gdp after a contraction. skyrocketing inflation. officially 40%. grain nearly 80%. currency reserves drying out the government.
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a monthly subsidy about $18. the clock is ticking if he is not able to pay out is subsidy. how long before people fall out of love with him? >> there is a short-term to have confidence from the population. it is like roosevelt's new deal. we have to see what he is able to do with the new administration. because of this issue, you get unemployment and economic problems. it is difficult to measure how this is going to be done because the iranian structure and insistence where unemployment is kind of different. you have letters for businesses, and many different businesses.
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this is a real problem with a lot of inflation because it is too risky for businesses. there is the economic plan and the lifting of sanctions is really important. >> did you see those sanctions? >> targeting first and foremost, they will be less conservative and eager for changes in the country. these are the ones from the sanctions. we are in a situation where the sanctions are crippling the economy, making nationalism stronger. and targeting people that will help change in a gentle way.
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they see this is counterproductive. it is seen as helping them push for negotiations. it is important from a european and american point of view. we should talk about middle eastern stability in afghanistan. and we're just not thinking about that. we are thinking of a full approach for a nuclear issue and i think it is a mistake. >> we believe it is the key to the solution of the other problems. if they find a satisfactory solution, it will help. perhaps the syrian crisis or the
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situation in iraq. we can create a kind of momentum in the region. this is my hope, at least. it is easiest to solve. everybody knows what it is to reach a compromise. that is why the next moments are so important. >> is it easier to sort out iran's nuclear program than syria? >> i think all of those problems are complicated. i think we need to look at the totality of the picturere as something that has not been discussed is the state-sponsored terror. the iranian revolution in many countries is spreading instability.
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syria most notably. and the iranian government has sent has blocked -- hezbollah to support assad regime. >> but so far, iran has not been invited to talks on syria. should they be invited? >> i am skeptical. it is akin to inviting an arsonist to join the fire department. i think we should first and foremost deal with assad regime and work with our allies and partners to further pressure the regime to tamp down the violence and negotiate good faith. >> we have seen the french president say recently that iran would be welcome to talks in
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geneva for the syrian crisis. as a regional actor and main ally, it has to be on the table if we want to stabilize this crisis. but also, we should not mix the two issues. they said the nuclear issue can be the key to starting. it is simply not possible today to have almost nothing between istanbul and new delhi. >> and the question we have approached but maybe need to tackle head on. does the team as a complete green light from the supreme leader?
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the ayatollah said there were nuances in his support for the decision of the first arabian president to chat on the telephone to his counterpart in the u.s.. >> we support the government's diplomatic movements. and we place important on diplomatic efforts. and we support what was in this last trip. in our opinion, some of what occurred was not proper. while we are optimistic about our government's diplomatic stasis, we are pessimistic about the american.
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>> he goes on to say that u.s. government is not trustworthy, breaks cut -- breaks promises. what does he mean when he says some of what occurred is not proper? >> you have to look at this picture that it is almost as difficult as in the west or pwashington to deal with domestc affairs. he said that he is confident about his team. they said he also has doubts regarding the issues of such negotiations. at the end of the day, he will have a comfortable position. the ayatollah will have said that it's ok, we are able to have it. but if it fails, we can say we have plenty.
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he protects himself because he has the last word. what is important today is to see that the americans want to consider that he has the last word. >> how many [indiscernible] and at the same time, if you criticize the famous telephone call, people were probably disappointed by the reaction to what obama said. a few hours after that after this very nice conversation, reminding them that all options are on the table.
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people have not seen the immediate result in that way of expressing oneself. we cannot trust the americans. they say one thing one day and another thing to say another thing. >> despite the talks, the u.s. will not end sanctions and will continue monitoring. it was enough to give the foreign minister a back ache. the phone chat with obama and my lengthy meeting were inappropriate screamed a headline.
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the foreign minister took to facebook. he said it is interesting that those that claim to support the guardianship are moving ahead of the supreme leader. while it was a bitter day, i learned that everything i say has to be open because the market for abuse is very hot. examples of jousting between moderates and hard-liners. and there is the debate over whether or not to keep chanting death to the united states at rallies. one news agency said that hard- liners -- those for dropping the chant mark november 4 as the anniversary of the storming of the u.s. embassy. are they going to drop that chant or not? >> it is a few words that reflect a longer and deeper
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reflection. the islamic revolution was based on anti-americanism from 1953 onward. >> so we will be hearing "death to the united states? >> it is like hearing on one hand, down with america, and on the other, the axis of evil from to religious countries, comparison with evil is very tough. but after years of mistrust, one phone call will not be enough to drop that chant. >> if they are chanting it, it is not important. what is important is to create links between iran and the u.s.. it takes time. it has been sent several times.
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we believe the nuclear issue will unblock things, it is a different issue. we don't see a lot of political will for those sides. again, i think it is the strongest part. remember in the 70s, it took nearly a decade, but the u.s. has been open to china, a regime that would be the finest. we have been talking about great diplomatic links and maybe it is the result of those links. it was not very interesting to look at from the human rights concept. >> in the end, it is not that important.
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when you hear the former president weighing in so openly saying, let's stop doing that because it is counterproductive, what are your thoughts? >> it is a welcome thing to hear. but it is just a data point. if you look at the composition of the national security team, there are two figures to keep an eye on. >> they are sort of the vanguard of the iranian revolution. a paramilitary force in the uranium revolution. they have very powerful influence over the iranian economy and over governments here in >> that is one of the
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main preoccupations of people. that whatever steps you may make, the leadership will be beholding to these groups that are paramilitary groups that now have business interest and no steak in the system. >> it is a big one. this is key. they stand staunchly behind the leader. the supreme leader defended ideals of the revolution. you have been introduced to the heads of these companies. trust and so on. these people --
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>> will we see iran get bogged down in egypt? >> it is a bureaucratic mercantile economy that doesn't really take off. >> it is something else. >> iran was chanting it was going in the direction of the military dictatorship. with all of its defects, iran has a constitution that people respect more or less. i don't think they are eager to take the power to eliminate the
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supreme leader. they are loyal to the revolution and the constitution. >> and the armies and the guards , they have been -- they have said not to intervene in political affairs, and we were talking about egypt as well. it is interesting to see the importance because iran is the only stable country compared to other countries in the region. but the system is stable and in some ways, the group was created
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after the revolution to protect this. things that happened in egypt, we have seen that the military intervened and that was the end of the revolution. i don't know how egypt will be in a few years. >> there were the uprisings, and a lot of people have spoken of these revolutionary guards. >> it has to be done to protect the stability of the islamic republic. when you have the reaction to this uprising, it was a real issue in 2009.
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>> perhaps leaves a bitter taste today. they brought up the point, the question you might ask is are the same rivalries and alliances set to shift now? i wanted you to rebound and offer something. when you think of iran and its role in afghanistan, should washington be engaging a lot more? >> they were low and mid-level engagements. i agree with the speakers that it is at the very core. the other partners such as the saudi's, that situation is
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really taken are of. i don't see a clear path towards those relationships. >> it is a question of political will. the nuclear issue, they don't have a problem. perhaps i go to afghanistan and pakistan. i have the say that what matters is to see iraq stabilized and avoid the continuation of a bloodbath in syria. it is a question of choice. stability to avoid tension in the region.
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speaking for guys that already have nuclear weapons. it is a question of power at the international level. let's deal with them before it is too late or we will have to go back. it is not good for europeans at least. >> i want to thank them for joining us in the debate. before we say goodbye, let's say hello to james. time for the media watch segment. >> how the story has been playing out, quite helpful during a press review of the iranian media. some of the reactions, major
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iranian newspapers which is a reformist paper. people are expecting concrete results from the geneva negotiations. from the foreign minister, i hope that is not completely mangled in terms of the pronunciation. they are pointing out that the steps taken by the iranians to shorten the negotiations is a sign of opportunity to arrive at the end of those talks. >> a different spectrum in terms of abuse. >> and the reflecting of the public desire for this deadlock to be broken, basically. if i could get this right, he is a professor of international law
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that said ths isn't a diplomatic negotiation. the very fact that we are around the negotiating table is a huge step forward, september and those viewing us as a winner and loser type of dynamic. that is what is playing out at the arabian press. one little detail from the foreign policy standpoint, cautioning against optimism about the new prime minister. saying he is a wolf in sheep's clothing, warning that the iranian regime made cosmetic changes. i suppose that is the cautious note being struck in the u.s. or the israeli press. half measures with iran would
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mean that for israel. it could mean more isolation for israel and a headline reflecting the tough stance on this. just one or two other items on thisis. this is on french social media. a cosmetic change. a bomb is a bomb is a bomb. you can put a smiley face on it, but very bizarre detail. benjamin netanyahu mentioned the twitter account following a per sian erotic twitter account. they said it msut be -- must b a
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e a hacking attempt. >> thank you for joining us here.
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