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coming up, russian act exist alexander navarro the -- the russian activist, it is tough times of you are a central asian migrant, a homosexual, or a greenpeace activist. it turns out to russian president is in tune with what a lot of russians
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make. this putin tightening the screws tighter? if so, to what effect? we will be checking in on the media watch segment. let's say hello once more to claire. >> u.s. senators reach a last- minute deal on raising the debt ceiling. intensive and very important. that is how catherine ashton has described two days of talks on iran's nuclear program. france's expulsion of a teenager starts outrage across the country. she was detained by police in front of her classmates. first to the u.s. where just hours before the midnight
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deadline senators have reached a deal on raising the borrowing limit. the fear was with no agreement the country might not be able to pay most of its bills. this would also and the partial government shutdown, which is in its third week. >> after weeks spent facing off, our country came to the brink of a disaster, but in the end political activists set aside their disagreements to prevent that disaster. i think the republican leader for his diligent efforts to reach this important agreement. >> here is our correspondent in washington with what is in that deal. >> the deal does pretty much everything the democrats wanted from the start. it does pretty much everything the white house wanted and absolutely nothing for republicans.
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it funds the government until the 15th of january, meaning the next crisis will be coming in january. it raises the debt ceiling, meaning defaults will not be an issue. it raises the debt ceiling until february. a committee will discuss the budget as a whole in more detail. committees like that rarely lead to much. the reason for which the government shutdown in the first place, they mentioned the health care reform. obama care has not shifted in this deal. this means senators have come to an agreement.
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it looks like the crisis has been subverted at the last minute. >> this is in the first time there has been a last-minute deal. what are the next steps? >> these are procedural steps that have to happen before any kind of proposal like this one could become law in the first days. either the senate or the house of representatives will have to vote on this proposal. it is not certain which chamber will vote first, but both seem to agree to this. it only becomes law once they sign this. what you can expect are two votes in each chamber -- one in each chamber. they will lift the debt ceiling and avert a financial crisis in the united states or worldwide,
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and the president will signing this into law, and we will be in the clear until the beginning of next year at least. what you can expect is probably a quick photo from the white house suing the president signing this into law. >> barack obama has reacted by saying he hopes congress will act swiftly on the deal so he can sign it into law very soon. moving to geneva, with the final day of talks on tehran's nuclear program. catherine ashton didn't give much away. she said the meeting had been intensive and there would be another round of talks in november. >> the foreign minister presented an outline of a plan
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as a proposed basis for negotiation, which is being carefully considered as an important contribution. it was decided to meet on december 7 and eight. >> today iran's foreign minister says he hopes the talks mark the start of a new phase in relations. >> we have two days of extensive consultations, which will hopefully be the beginning of a new phase in our relations. >> russia says there is no reason to applaud the latest talks on iran's nuclear program, but both sides did describe them as useful.
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that is significant in itself. >> useful is a keyword. let's not minimize the significance of that language given that these talks have led almost nowhere. the fact they say that is significant. we went into these talks with both sides saying let's not expect a breakthrough. this is going to be a long, tough law. -- slog. the reason they were so useful is they were addressing the technical issues of nuclear talks. nuclear talks are pretty technical. they were probably talking about enrichment levels, what level you should be allowed to enrich uranium to. these will not be solved
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overnight. it is very promising. the buzz word has been cautious optimism. the fact they have this on the horizon for more talks indicates there is a level of seriousness on both sides and an intention to try to find a way forward and out of it dead and -- a dead en d. they are all looking for a way out. the question is confidence building. can a ron build confidence? can it instill enough confidence for sanctions to be -- can iran build confidence? and it instill enough confidence for sanctions to be lifted. >> i grow was to a and last week because she was being expelled to close a bow -- kosovo with
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her family. >> she was on the bus with her classmates when she received a phone call. french authorities were looking for her. police officers were waiting. >> it broke my heart to leave my friends, my school, everyone. i was ashamed. police asked me if i had stolen anything. >> her parents and five other children were deported to their home country, kosovo. they had been living there for five years illegally. >> when you haven't been given asylum then you don't have any reason to stay on our territory. the law has to be applied. >> this comes just a month after
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20,000 roma living in france had no -- after it was said roma living in france had no intention of living there and should be expelled. this sparked outrage across the political spectrum. >> deportation orders do not allow authorities to detain children at school. if a mistake was made, the expulsion order will be an old, and this family will come back to france -- will be on the old -- annulled, and this family will come back to france. >> findings are expected by the end of the week. >> a plane has crashed in laos. the foreign ministry says all sorts of people were killed. among them five type passengers and at least seven french nationals. it was an internal flight in the south of the country.
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a powerful typhoon has hit japan's eastern coast, killing at least 17 people. record rainfall caused mudslides, which buried houses. extra security forces have sent to help rescue efforts. schools are shut, and flights canceled. many people remain unaccounted for. that's all from the newsroom. it time -- it's time for the debate. >> thanks for that. how is the russian president really doing? last month vladimir putin welcomed the world to st. petersburg. the russian president basking in the glory while the u.s. president failed to win the room over the idea of airstrikes against damascus. with a worst race riots in the
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capital in three years. they targeted after the stabbing death of a european russian. riots followed by mass arrests. there are also 30 greenpeace activists held without bail on charges of piracy. ripple effects include a diplomatic falling out the between russia, the netherlands, and accusations of diplomats getting roughed up in their homes. what does it say about russia? the man counting down the days to the old epics. -- to the olympics. today, what russians really want. the author of "fragile empire: how russia fell in and out of love with putin."
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the director of the institute of political studies, glad you could the with us. you can read her columns every tuesday. welcome back. also joining us is olga. thank you for being with us. you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. let's start with the news out of moscow. a prominent critic who recently ran for mayor of the capital given a suspended sentence, thus avoiding five years in a penal colony after his embezzlement conviction. is that the authorities playing
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good cop? >> i think they must have decided they didn't need to aggravate the situation. he has been boosted to be a real political player and to throw more oil onto the fire of selective justice, it seems to me he took a sidestep. they will argue, but in any of these high profile cases the kremlin has its say. >> is this a happy conclusion to this story?
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>> it is not so good to push people. also, it will be not so good for the image of russia, but at the same time, people ignore the fact he has stolen some money. [indiscernible]
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it discounts how we can push them to sell cheap. >> aim going to interrupt you, because the phone line. we are going to try to call you back and get you on a better line. you are saying he was did, -- convict did -- he was convicted. also, a migrant worker found stabbed to death in the same moscow neighborhood mocked this week by race riots. it all started this thursday, crowds of russians hunting for
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non-slavic men that match the description. the suspect sold on state television tuesday as he was brought back in a video released by police. he admitted to the stabbing but insisted he acted in self- defense. olga, your thoughts on this surprising sequence of events since last week? >> for me it was a very personal affair because i am going to moscow on friday, and i wanted to stay in my brothers place on the street where all the things happened, and now i am very afraid of being on the streets with my appearance.
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i am very scared personally. what is going on in russia from my point of view is we have difficult conditions for workers that really gets into the suburbs of moscow. they have a hard life, and they become victims of manipulation, instead of being charged for corruption. the employers pay money to the police, and then this situation is just a clash of energy that one part of the society that lives in the same condition, they thought they have to pay
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first. they paid all necessary things to get their papers, but they cannot get them in their hands, and now they become responsible for this absolutely criminal affair. >> why this unleashing of violence over the weekend? >> four or five years we have had nationalistic movements. we have the fourth of november. we have almost the support of the state to these radical movements of those who went in the streets, and they fight with persons gathered.
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we saw this radicalization and the support of a lease, so there is a politics of support to nationalistic groups, and people consider the problems coming from illegal immigrants, but this is not actually true. a legal immigrants pay their money to police. if you compare my brother's family that are immigrants because they come from another region and rossa -- in russia, and they live in similar conditions, so there is no real difference. >> it is nationalism. then, how do you explain the violence we saw over the weekend? >> this thing called a race riot
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i think is a mistake. a race riot is when the minority riot against happened is an ethc majority riots against an influx of migrants. it is more like a racist riot. these outbreaks of violence have become very common in russia since 2006. you have one or two annually, mostly in villages or small town centers. the reason comes down to corruption. the police are so embedded in corruption that local ethnic russians don't feel they are being protected. construction and agricultural work, and without the proper documentation, without proper health insurance, which leads to a situation where you have large populations living in shacks,
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living tend to a room, living in council housing, which has been rented out to them, and you have local as the russians leaving -- believing they are not being good -- being protested and blaming the increase of crime on this. russia was not traditionally an immigrant society, but russia has become the second most popular country in the world for immigrants. you have more than 12 million immigrants who come to russia, and over two thirds of them are from central asia and the caucuses. these used to be part of the soviet union, but normal russians didn't experience them. these are far off territories, but local russians weren't aware
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of how different they were, so in the current atmosphere, you have two forces fanning the flames. i agree the government's encouragement of orthodox radicals to shore up support against the opposition, but also they have been fanning flames to antagonism to migrants. he has been running a consistent campaign to impose visas, and he is frequently indulging in xenophobic and anti-migrant rhetoric, and he wasn't the only one to do so. every single candidate all ran anti-migrant campaigns to one degree or another, so i think they also have to take part of the blame for being willing to
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criticize putin, using the race card over the last year or two. >> we have a tweet saying, i don't understand how racism is such an issue in a country the size of russia. >> some people say it has the largest immigrant population proportionately. when you talk about seven percent out of 140 million, that is a lot of people. there are a lot of illegal. i don't think we should is associate from the issue we hear every day in europe. in the u.k. and france, an aging population no longer able to fill its workforce.
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the immigration officials said russia needs 300,000 workers a year. the issue is how does a legitimate social need get administered, executed, and taken care of, and the answer is not well at all. it has been said it is not even shantytowns. there was recently a raid wit, d they don't have any toilets -- under the responsibility of businessmen have paid bribes to have the permits. people have to pay out up pocket to get the permit to get as far as moscow, and in the case of
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this vegetable market, apparently in october there was an inspection by migration services and by police, and they said, it's fine. today they just arrested people for being illegal. that tells you something took place then, which it is obvious somebody got paid off. corruption is a very embedded part of this problem, as it is with so many other problems. >> what ethnic russians often say is people come from very small families. one son, maybe two brothers, and
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they are very much alone, doing trading, setting up shop, and you suddenly have people with very tight family structures, so a story you hear is one russian guy got in a fight with one guy. his russian guy suddenly finds himself surrounded i-20. even though russians are the majority in the country by 85% of the population minimum, you pare seeing a lot of insecurity where individuals feel they are outnumbered in their own homes and cities, and this has led to an increase in vigilante groups, which offers so-called protection if you fall into trouble with markets and so
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forth. last year i was invited to participate in a raid. they were going through and chasing out illegal migrants, and the reason these people were doing that is because the local comp authority had taken these basements that were supposed to be in common and filled them with 20, 30, 40 illegal immigrants living in absolute squalor. they become a health hazard. despite constant leg telephoning police and authorities, nothing had happened, which meant locals had been forced to turn to a vigilante group, which led to a strange mixture of russian opposition politics and the idea that is interesting to me is that putin has the trade russia i bringing in tens of millions of russian immigrants to keep
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the economy going. >> we are going to pick up on this point when we come back. stay with us. much more to come. >> welcome back. a sample of the stories we will be following up the top of the hour.
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one that is keeping everyone on tender hooks is washington, where house republicans are due to meet at 3 p.m. local time to brief members about a bipartisan deal to raise the debt limit and and a government shutdown. it could read a rock is a fair if the bill does pass the house. then the debt ceiling would be lifted. intensive and very important. that is how that you'd diplomacy chief describes two days of talks that have rogen on iran's -- broken on iran's nuclear program. a suspended the bits, but vladimir putin's biggest opponent cannot run into office as a result. an interior minister under fire after police detained a girl from a school field trip and expelled her and her family to her native kosovo.
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outrage from human rights groups and the socialist party. much more at the top of the hour. welcome back. we are looking at russia. vladimir putin's russia. we are talking about it. we have been talking about weakened riots targeting migrants in a working-class district of the capital. with us is the author of "fragile empire: how russia fell in and out of love with vladimir putin." we are also in the studio with a member of the advocacy group, russian freedom, and the "new york times" columnist.
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we are having technical issues getting saturday on the line. i apologize if you are watching. -- getting sergei on the line. there were mass arrests that targeted migrant communities from central asian nations and caucuses. >> we have not caused any scandal. will it lead to anything good? do you think that would change anything? nothing would change. >> ultranationalists see it differently. >> this was done to provoke the russian people. i am not saying let's go back to the programs, but this is what
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they want. did the migrants provoke slavic russians? >> foul things happen. there was a murder of a young guy of 25 years old, and people gathered near the house where he lived and asked police to run an investigation. they just found out another dem that has disappeared two weeks ago, so without this rally there would be no investigation. they just gathered in front of this house. then there were ultranationalists who came from outside, and they decided to fight these immigrants. there was an influence on the locals. this was a problem, these
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leaders who stand up and speak for the local population. there is no hate within the local population because it insists -- consists of local immigrants. >> the ethnic russians feel outnumbered. >> i know this area. there are no ethnic russians or local russians. they have russian passports. what is going on is mobilization of ultranationalist hate within
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the society, and they orient this rage. >> these are in the opposition. would you say they have nothing to do with this? >> these are two different phenomenon. what is going on is the reaction to two manifestations. the first took place on the sixth of may, 2012. it ended up with 28 persons imprisoned. they are accused and condemned to prisons. they clash with the lease. not many police persons -- now
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we have this manifestation with 1000 persons. police accused five persons and charged them with 70 euros. for me this is an indication of politics to this moment. they are afraid of them, or they need them to make it work against opposition leaders. >> it gets more complicated than that, because a sickly the ruling authorities are completely complicit in this wave of illegal immigration. they are employed. they are harassed with tacit
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approval, and i think the issue is how you manage the population living on the age of misery that is not going to be popular in the same way in many other countries immigrants were poor. they were very good about clannish behavior as far as russians being ignored and abandoned. this is an inevitable clash culturally, but the role of the government is to try to manage it, give people housing, get them to learn russian, get their kids into school. this is a great failure. >> there is another issue that has gotten a lot of attention in the last few days. the case of greenpeace activist
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s, the message out of moscow is clear. >> the answer is very simple. the judiciary should not suffer from interference. an investigation is being carried out. a russian court is set to rule on this. they are preparing an arbitration procedure. i believe justice must take its course and we should not intervene. >> mentioning the netherlands where the ship is registered. the dutch have more than one bone to pick. the number two at the embassy reportedly beaten at his home. the assailants left the heart of the lgbt on his bathroom mirror.
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russia said a minister counselor was badly beaten in his home in front of his children by armed assailants. the russian embassy says he was beaten by a police baton. >> the response of our dutch partners turned out to be incomprehensible, unacceptable. it doesn't live up to the level of russian-dutch relations. an attempt to justify a cruel act by police cannot go on criticized. >> what is the fallout of all this going to be? >> i don't know. i have no idea. i think the issue going back to greenpeace, it is not about whether the court should take its case. it is an issue of the severity
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and holding them in prison cells when they could be released on bail. try them, judge them, whatever. also keeping them in a russian jail seems more than necessary in terms of diplomatic, it is too bizarre. i have no idea. >> we seem to have restored the connection. i apologize for the technical issues we have had. your thoughts on the greenpeace case. should those activist be released on bail? >> [indiscernible] oil-producing platforms, and i think the discussion with
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activists, and also the people in russia agreed about the corruption of greenpeace. people have supported the movement. they take money from some corporations, and a lot of people in russia believe it is not about ecology.
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it is about the implication of the cells. they were fighting to do it themselves. >> you have just touched on it that moscow's message is not really aimed at grassroots activists but rather at the west and its oil interests. we not only talking navigable sea lanes but under the ocean floor, hence the decision to send a robot to send a russian
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flag. let me get your opinion. this is not about environmentalists. this is about oil interests. >> millions believe greenpeace is mysterious foreign powers. that is what they have been told by propagandist's, by individuals to spread this. what the kremlin fears is solidarity and support of the opposition. over the past six months we have seen a linking up of different
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interests. supporters of the act that would ban russian officials from entering the eu if they were involved in murder. we have seen gay rights groups join that coalition. we have seen greenpeace move into joining that coalition. one of the reasons they are being so hard in the run-up is to frighten away people linked to gay rights, opposition rights, or green activism. >> do you really believe there is a grand coalition of dissidents? >> let's imagine. you were having discussions about joint demonstrations.
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if you go to demonstrations out side a russian consulate, five years ago you would only see activists supporting russian. now you see activists supporting gay rights and others. it is a grassroots individual thing. yet lots of people for different reasons: for this regime to change its ways. it is not organized from the top. it is very spontaneous. there was no plan. >> something we haven't seen since may of 2012.
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we haven't seen this gel in any prominent way, possibly with the exception that there is always a turn out with what we have seen in moscow. >> there is also the opinion of russia out side of russia. this is something that will be in their minds. it is an interesting idea. if you say russian, people roll their eyes. >> do russians, is that really a reoccupation, what the rest of the world thinks about them? >> i would like to say there is
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the influence of tv channels on public opinion in russia. what we have that is a result of different polls is also preconstructed opinion. we have not many independent in the tubes. >> there isn't just television. >> there are more people to get the criminal information. people are scared to say something, so there is also manipulation of public opinion in russia. there are not so many people reoccupied by what the west
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thinks about. what they received to pay the fees at the end of the month, because it is very tough for them. >> it is not international diplomacy. >> i really did mean the kremlin. we were seeing it as a big crowning moment for putin, and he has put a lot of effort into it. if it gets messy, that's not what he wants. >> on twitter, let a greenpeace activist go home. you have proved your point. whether or not the media has a big role to play in it, vladimir putin is popular. three textbooks reportedly set to devote an entire chapter to the former kgb agent.
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he gets backing for a lot of his policies like his anti-gay bill and his style, like when he defended silvio berlusconi at a discussion. >> berlusconi went on trial just because he lives with women. if he was, sexual nobody would touch him. >> would you say he is popular but could be risking a lot if things don't go the way they want them to when these take lays -- take place?
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>> he likes it very much. it is very important. we remember the 90's. [indiscernible] he sometimes tells the truth, which is very inconvenient.
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putin sometimes is telling the truth. >> you are saying he is popular in russia. we are almost out of time. i want to ask ben for his opinion. how will the sochi games go for putin? >> they will be used as a demonstration of his control. the only way they will go badly is if some western leaders don't go to the opening ceremony as a signal he has on too far in gay rights and intriguing -- and
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treating western civilians. >> all the talk of games going over budget? >> we don't know. the russian people's mindset is being moved and created by the fact you have total censorship and control of the television in a country where the vast majority of people get information from the tv, people aren't aware of the vast sums of money these games have cost, three and a half times more than london's summer olympics. only if they can get information out through leaflets and pamphlets will lot of the elite come to grow more skeptical of mr. putin. i think a crucial thing he will not be telling us is despite all the protestations of patriotism, the russian elite is too nervous
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about keeping money in russia. a like to keep money in london and monaco and tax havens. the russian regime is a regime that has stolen billions of pounds, billions of rubles and placed them abroad, so little is their faith in russia. >> i want to thank you for joining us today from istanbul. before we go, let's say hello to james creedon. it's time for a media watch segment. >> just taking a look at how that story was playing out in the media today, you can see it was not conclusive that it was an assault of a homophobic nature. a lot of these articles did not even mention the possibility of it being motivated --
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>> it is tit for tat for what happened in the hague. >> many people are interpreting it as tit for tat. this is a headlining you can see they have put a rainbow in the background. that headline is a little less circumspect. the reason it is seen as homophobic is because of the part of the lgbt sign. this comes a week after headlines from a dutch it will matt -- a russian diplomat attacked in the hague, and these are photos of people demonstrating outside the dutch embassy at the time. it has been tit for tat, and it has raised the issue of perceived homophobia or very
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real homophobia in russia. that is a story of how they are brainwashing the russian people. also of course, it is drawing attention to one of the main reason for this diplomatic spat. the arrest after the greenpeace boat was pulled over. you can see greenpeace has taken this mission to heart. they have replaced the main photo on the website. it is happening in the middle of the dutch-russian year. >> there was a row here. >> i was about to mention sarkozy dedicating the year. >> the best laid plans of mice
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>> it appears the global financial crisis has been averted. the u.s. senate has voted yes, and we are waiting for the house. they are waiting to vote to raise the debt ceiling. i'm filipina in washington. >> i am michelle makori at the nasdaq. wall street welcomes news of a washington deal with u.s. stock markets rallying across the board.


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