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11/11/16 11/11/16 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now! >> the national popular vote bill would have prevented the candidate from receiving a presidency without having the most votes nationwide. amy: when the loser wins. hillary clinton leads the popular vote by hundreds of thousands of ballots, but she lost the electoral college to donald trump. it is only the second time in the past century. the last time, 2000, bush v gore. ,e will speak with john koza chair of national popular vote. in anti-trump protests continue for the second night throughout
cities around the country, voicing fears of trump's political triumph will deal a blow to civil rights and civil liberties. >> i think a lot of people out fear are expressing their that some of what president-elect trump has a good negatively affect their lives in the family's lives. i think they're doing the right thing to make your voices heard early on. amy: we will look at the movement that is building against trump with becky bond, former senior advisor on volunteer mobilization for the bernie sanders campaign. her new book, "rules for revolutionaries: how big organizing can change everything." conference go to the in atlanta to speak with a chicano feminist and social movement strategist at the most who helped organize protests here in new york outside trump tower. saturday amago this
a indonesian soldiers armed with weapons opened fire on timorese civilians, killing more than 270 of them. lost one sister and two brothers. >> it was 10 days. the army was shooting people. people would die at our feet. we cannot stop to help them. >> i know families that were totally wiped out. two american newsmen deadly beaten, allan nairn and amy goodman. amy: we will speak with investigative journalist allan right now,is in dili just back from the cemetery where they did a reenactment of the massacre. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. protests continued across the country for a second night following the election of donald
trump for president. in portland, oregon, where thousands of people gathered to denounce the president-elect, police in riot gear attacked protesters with pepper spray and rubber bullets, while some demonstrators sprayed graffiti and broke store windows. a handful of people were arrested. in oakland, california hundreds , of anti-trump protesters took over interstate 580, while in denver, colorado thousands of , people rallied at the state capitol. anti-trump protesters also took to the streets in new york city, madison and milwaukee, wisconsin, columbus, ohio, minneapolis, minnesota, los angeles, baltimore, and washington, d.c. the protests even reached the supreme court bench, where on wednesday justice ruth bader ginsburg wore an embellished collar ruffle that signals disagreement. this summer ginsburg told "the , new york times" -- "i can't imagine what the country would be -- with donald trump as our president." and said she'd move to new zealand if he were elected.
during protests in washington, d.c., thursday, a middle school teacher spoke about the confusion and fear of his students. >> a lot of them are really confused about these election results. so after i explained to them how trump "won," they asked me the same question. will i get supported? amy: the protests last night came after president-elect donald trump met with president obama in the oval office following the meeting, trump thursday. tweeted -- "just had a very open and successful presidential election. now professional protesters, incited by the media, are protesting. very unfair!" donald trump also met with republicans on capitol hill thursday, including house speaker paul ryan, who never
un-endorsed trump, but did say he wouldn't campaign for him, following the surfacing of a 2005 video in which trump openly brags about sexually assaulting women. on thursday, however, ryan said he was now excited to work with trump. mr. ryan: let me say how excited we are about these opportunities for the country. we had a fantastic, productive meeting about getting to work and going to work for the american people. donald trump had one of the most impressive victories we have ever seen, and we're going to turn that into progress for the american people stop we're talking about how we're going to hit the ground running to make sure that we think at this country turned around and make america great again. amy: meanwhile, resident like donald trump -- president-elect donald trump refused to allow journalists to travel with him on his trip to the white house thursday, breaking with a longstanding tradition in which presidents and president-elects travel with a pool of reporters. trump also bucked longstanding press traditions during his
campaign when he banned journalists from nearly two dozen media outlets from covering his events, including "the washington post," politico, buzzfeed, "the huffington post," "the daily beast," "the des moines register," "the union leader," univision, and fusion. he also threatened to ban "the new york times" from covering his campaign. kansas secretary of state kris kobach -- known as a leading proponent of anti-immigrant and voter suppression laws -- has joined donald trump's transition team. kobach was a key figure in drafting arizona's notorious anti-immigrant racial profiling law, sb 1070, known as the show your papers law, parts of which have been found unconstitutional. while working through the immigration reform law institute, kobach has also drafted model anti-immigration legislation that's been implemented pennsylvania, california, texas, missouri, and alabama. some of these laws were later found to be unconstitutional. hundreds of people of color nationwide have reported being physically and verbally attacked, harassed, threatened, and insulted in the wake of
donald trump's election tuesday. at southern lehigh high school in pennsylvania, students and the principal report white students calling their fellow black students "cotton pickers" and using heil hitler salute. at royal oak middle school in michigan, a video shows white students chanting "build a wall, build a wall." another teacher posted on social media that a 10-year-old girl had to be picked up from school because a boy grabbed her vagina, and then reportedly said that if a president can do it, i can, too. multiple women reported not wearing a hijab outside out of fear, while others reported hijabs being ripped from their heads while in public. in woodland hills, california, a 16-year-old girl told local media she was on campus when a fellow student came up behind her and tried to rip her headscarf off her, and then told her -- "you shouldn't be wearing that, you towelhead. you're not american. this isn't america." on college campus outside of buffalo, new york, a black baby
doll was found in an elevator with a rope around its neck, while in wellsville, new york, a swastika and the words "make america white again" were spray painted on a baseball dugout. several lgbtq suicide hotlines are reporting that the number of calls has risen significantly since tuesday, and that hotlines are seeking additional volunteers. donald trump will be headed to trial on november 28 in san diego. in a class-action lawsuit against him and his defunct for-profit trump university, which has been accused of defrauding's events. trump's lawyer says the president-elect is slated to testify, while on the campaign trail, he verbally attacked the judge on the case, calling him a heater and accusing him of being biased against trump because the indiana born judge is of mexican descent. trump has also called on the judge to recuse himself from the case, claiming his heritage
represents a conflict of interest. trump's comments were widely condemned as being racist, including by leading republicans. former republican illinois congressman aaron schock has been indicted by a federal grand jury on 24 counts, including wire fraud and theft of government funds. schock resigned from the house in march 2015, following the "washington post" investigation into his capitol hill office, which has been described as "downton abbey"-themed. he's been accused of using tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars on his office's renovations, as well as private jets and concerts. in turkey, authorities have detained the ceo of the prominent newspaper "cumhuriyet," which won the 2016 right livelihood award, often referred to as the alternative nobel prize. this comes after turkish authorities raided "cumhuriyet" istanbul office less than two weeks ago, detaining at least 12 journalists and administrators on terrorism charges. in afghanistan, at least six people have died and more than 100 are wounded after a suicide truck bomb exploded at the german consulate in mazar-e-sharif.
the taliban claimed responsibility for the attack, saying it was in retaliation for the u.s. airstrikes near kunduz last week, which killed 30 civilians, the majority of whom were women and children. in india, 13 people have died after a fire broke out in a garment factory in the north of india today. at least two people were burned to death, while the others asphyxiated after the fire spread to the top floors of the factory where the workers were sleeping. leonard cohen has died at the age of 82. he was at his home in los angeles. the widely influential singer and songwriter was a force in the music world for more than 50 years. famous for his song about and "the tower of song," cohen was born september 21, 1934, lived in new york, london, and a monastery east of los angeles.
this is leonard cohen. i've heard there was a secret court that pleased the lord but you don't really care for music, do you it goes like this came, hallelujah hallelujah hallelujah ♪ amy: he released his final album less than a month ago. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman.
juan: and i'm juan gonzalez. welcome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. amy: you have been looking at the latino vote in this week's election. juan: not only the latino vote, the overall vote, to get a sense of what happened in this cataclysm that we had on tuesday. first of all, i think one thing we have to understand is that fewer people voted in this election and voted in 2012. about 2% drop in the number of votes. and mitt romney actually got more votes and he ran in 2012 the donald trump did. a significantly, hillary clinton's vote totals dropped dramatically, about 5 million votes, even though she comes out now still the majority of the popular vote. one of the narratives that has been developing, and we have heard it repeatedly in the last few days, is that the failure of the latino community to turn out and the surges of voting that people expected are significant reason why she was not able to
succeed. i want to tell you, looking at some of the data now, i believe that is a totally false narrative. the narrative we heard from the exit polls is that the latino for was 65% to 29% -- 65% clinton, 29 percent for donald trump. there are different ways to measure the actual turnout. one is through these exit polls. we all know how great polling .as been in recent years the other is by the census bureau actually asking people, which it does a year after every presidential vote, how you vote. that is probably the most accurate way but that will not happen until next year. the one that i have always been -- felt is more important, is to actually look at the vote totals in those areas, and those voting precincts where latinos form a major portion, 60%, 70%, 80%, 90% of the electorate, and compare that. when you do that, you will find
it completely different story. for instance, let's take florida, which has been the big days.of the last few you will find -- they find in kissimmee, in central florida, you had two things happen. one, the turnout in 2016 was much higher than it was in 2012. about 6%, 8% higher in all of these precincts than 2012. secondly, in of those precincts, hillary clinton was at 80% of the vote, 78%, 80% of the vote. -- be 65% that we're talking hearing about. in miami-dade, probably the most conservative latino community in the country, again, highly
most of thernout in precincts. 6%, 9%, 7% increase in the vote over 20 12. more importantly, hillary clinton did far better than obama did in these precincts in 2012. in many of the miami-dade or 97cts that were 95% percent latino, obama got 32% of the vote, 36%, 42%, whereas theton was in me 50% to 60% same precincts. not only was our larger latino vote in florida, but was much more for hillary clinton than in the previous election. florida is only the worst-case. when you start looking at the heavily latino districts around the country, when you go to most texas, there was -- precincts, 2% more, a percent more, 9% more voting. is the context of 2% fewer
americans voting nationwide. all of the totals for hillary clinton were the 70% to 80%. you go to wisconsin, the latinos were voted for hillary clinton 83% to 90% and then i checked out new york city, which i know very well, last night, and some of the major latino precincts. 6.6%e south bronx, increase in turnout, 93% for hillary clinton. weste 77th district of the bronx, 11.8% increase in turnout, 92% for hillary clinton. in the 72nd, washington heights, 14.5% increase in turnout from 2012, 90% for hillary clinton. it is clear to me when you look at the actual turnout, not only was they a surge in the latino kennedy, but much higher vote than he 65% we're hearing. you can argue, maybe it is all of the latinos out in the suburbs or not in the major cities that are somehow
recklessly voting in a different way from the latinos and the rest of the country. logic defies that. they knew what was at stake and they came out in larger numbers for trump will stop the problem is, white americans voted. first of all, fewer of them voted and then not only the few of them vote, but more than hadd for donald trump than been expected. amy: as you pointed out, the overall numbers, fewer people voted for donald trump than for mitt romney. your people voted for her clinton than for -- fewer people voted for hillary clinton than mitt romney. juan: many turn to the independent candidates. jill stein and gary johnson took about 6 million votes to 7 million votes between them. amy: we will continue to look at what the vote right down as they come out, but we're going to
start out by looking at the fact that the loser won. juan: "we can't let this happen. we should march on washington and stop this travesty. our nation is totally divided!" that was the response from donald trump after the 2012 election when he incorrectly thought mitt romney had won the popular vote against barack obama. his final word on the subject from that night read -- "the electoral college is a disaster for a democracy." well, fast-forward to 2016 and hillary clinton is leading the popular vote by hundreds of thousands of ballots, but she lost the electoral college to donald trump. for the fifth time in the nation's history, and the second time this century, a presidential candidate has won the white house while losing the popular vote. on wednesday, academy award-winning filmmaker and activist michael moore wrote on facebook -- "the majority of your fellow americans wanted hillary, not trump. the only reason he's president is because of an arcane, insane 18th-century idea called the electoral college. until we change that, we'll continue to have presidents we
didn't elect and didn't want." amy: meanwhile, lady gaga has urged people to sign a petition titled, "electoral college: make hillary clinton president on december 19." it calls on the electors to ignore the current rules, which bind them to voting for the winner of their state and cast their ballots instead for the winner of the popular vote, hillary clinton. the electors will meet next month. so far, more than 2 million people have signed the petition. meanwhile, electoral reform initiatives are underway to get states to adopt the national popular vote bill. on monday, new york governor andrew cuomo signed legislation that recommits new york to the compact past its 2018 expiration date. the legislation could transform the way we elect the president of the united states. under the compact for a national popular vote, states across the country have pledged to award their electoral votes to the presidential candidate who wins the nationwide popular vote. not there state.
if enough states sign on, it would guarantee the presidency goes to the candidate who wins the most votes across the country. the compact will kick in only when enough states have signed on to reach a threshold of 270 electoral votes. it would prevent scenarios like what happened on tuesday between hillary clinton and donald trump and in 2000 when al gore won the popular vote but still lost the election to george w. bush. well, for more, we go now to stanford, california, where we're joined by john koza, chair of national popular vote. consulting professor at stanford in computer science and electrical engineering. koza is the former ceo of scientific games. welcome to democracy now! can you please explain what has happened? a lot of people i think are scratching their heads as to a still don't think most people understand the electoral college. what do you mean hillary clinton is winning by hundreds of thousands of votes right now? of course, all of the votes have not been counted will stop but she still lost.
>> the problem comes from state laws that award all of the states elect world vote to the candidate who gets the most popular votes inside each particular state. so the fact that donald trump got sent more of the popular vote -- got more than 1% of the it meant he got all of those electoral votes and that constitutes his winning margin in the electoral college. even though he is behind in the nationwide popular vote among the people of all 50 states. explain how the electoral college votes, and this call lady gaga is making most of explain what it is she is calling for electors to do and who these electors are who will not exactly personally meet, but will cast their votes in december. >> the electors are generally
activists of their political party. so donald trump, at the moment, is going to get at least 279 of the 538 electors. those 279 people are active republicans, either officeholders, former officeholders, party officials, maybe donors -- people who are very devoted to the republican party. there is very little history that indicates anymore than zero or one of these 279 electors would ever deviate from their party's nominee. so when the electoral college meets on december 19, donald trump will probably get 100% of republicans who are committed to vote for him. juan: isn't possible, given the reality that the electoral college basically prejudices the
smaller states because every state has a least two senators, some of them just have one congressman or two congressman versus california or new york, so they always have a disproportionate share -- isn't it possible we may be entering an era of more this because we are now facing the fact that six out of the eight last presidential elections were -- the democrats won the popular vote, but only four of the eight actual electoral college votes? we've had two of these now over the last couple of decades. given the increasing concentration of populations in some of these big states, that we may be facing more of this presidential elections to come? >> we're deaf only going to have more of this because we are in an era a relatively close presidential elections. the last eight consecutive elections, the average nationwide margin has been 5% or
less. so we can expect if that trend continues, just to the electoral college producing a different winner than the national popular vote. i think that is a fairly safe production. amy: i want to clarify when i talked about lady gaga. she was just reach tweeting of addition to change.org -- petition to change.org. what happens in december? how do they meet? they don't physically meet the do they? >> they do physically meet. they go to their state capitals. the trump electors that were elected in pennsylvania on tuesday will all go to harrisburg and they will all dutifully cast their personal electoral vote for donald trump. you will end up with 279 of the 538 electors, therefore, he will
become president. and you go but they do not all meet together from all over the country. so explain how the electoral college came into place and talk about what you are advocating for national popular vote? probablyral college is outdated. it certainly is not what the founders intended. they intended and aristocratic small-group of nobleman, basically, who would wisely decide who the president is. that went out the window in 1796 in the nation's first competitive presidential election. the problem we have with the electoral college is not the existence of the electoral college, it is the state winner take all laws that give all of a state's electors to the candidate who gets a bare plurality of the vote inside that particular state. so the fact that trump carried pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan by a hair, even though
he was losing the people's vote across the country in all 50 states, meant dust means that he gets all of the electors from those three states.proposal, wh1 those states, when we have enough states that have a majority of the electors, that is 270, those laws go into effect. and they will award all of those electors to the candidate who gets the most popular votes in all 50 states. that is what would guarantee the white house to the candidate who gets the most popular votes in all 50 states. is alreadyation locked in 11 states, having 165 electoral votes, needs states with 105 more electoral votes to become law in time for the 2020 election. juan: john koza, what states do
you see as most likely were the most fertile area to be able to reach that 105 target now that you need? >> in the last few years, this proposal has been -- become quite bipartisan. for example, the latest state legislative chamber to pass this proposal was the arizona house, where two thirds of the republicans and two thirds of the democrats sponsored the bill. it also passed recently in the and excuse me, the republican-controlled new york senate. last couple of years, there has been increasing bipartisan support from both parties to change the system. the real motivation for the change was not primarily this issue of whether the candidate with fewer votes ins up in the white house -- although, that is
very, very important, obviously -- but the fact that most of the states are ignored in the presidential campaign. virtually all of the presidential campaign that ended tuesday was conducted in just 12 states. that was the same in 2012. 100% of the campaign events in 2012 after the nominating conventions were in just 12 states. governor walker put it very bluntly about a year ago when he said the nation as a whole is not going to elect the next president, 12 states are. so the biggest single problem with the current system is that most of the country is really politically irrelevant in selecting the president. then on top of it, when the 12 states that matter vote,he candidate who gets fewer popular votes nationwide canend up president. all in all, it is an entirely
bad system, but it is a system based solely on state law and can be changed by changing these state laws. amy: finally, john koza, what are you advocating for right now? >> we would like to see people contact their state legislators. these are the people that the constitution gives the power to determine the method of electing the president, to get state legislators to get their state to sign on to the national popular vote bill. amy: john koza, we want to thank you for being with us, chair of national popular vote. consulting professor at stanford in computer science and electrical engineering. when we come back, how are people organizing right now around the country? stay with us. ♪ [music break]
gonzalez. juan: we turn now to the reaction by activists and organizers to trump's victory on tuesday. anti-trump protests continued for the second night in a row on thursday in cities across the country -- new york, philadelphia, dallas, oakland, portland, and more. demonstrators took to the streets voicing fears that trump's political triumph would deal a blow to civil rights. this is a middle school teacher at a protest in washington, d.c., who teaches immigrant students. >> a lot of them are really confused about these election results. so after i explained to them how me thewon," they asked same question -- will i get deported? all of my periods as be the same question. are we going to deport them? juan: adding to their fears are increased reports of threats against latinos, muslims, african-americans, and members of the lgbtq community that many feel are a result of trump's
rhetoric. hundreds of people of color nationwide have reported being physically and verbally attacked, harassed, and threatened, and it insulted in the wake of donald trump's election tuesday. at a high school in pennsylvania, student and a principal report white students calling their fellow black students "caught in figures" and using the heil hitler salute. in michigan, students chanted "build a wall. build a wall." teacher reported the school had to be picked up early from school because a boy grabbed her vagina and said if the president can do it, i can, too. amy: others reported projects being ripped from their heads while in public. a 16 oh girl told local media she was on her high school campus when a fellow student came up behind her and tried to rip her headscarf off her, and then told her -- "you shouldn't be wearing that, you towelhead. you're not american. this isn't america." on a college campus outside of
buffalo, new york, a black baby doll was found in an elevator with a rope around its neck, while in wellsville, new york, a swastika and the words "make america white again" were spray painted on a baseball dugout. several lgbtq suicide hotlines are reporting that the number of calls has risen significantly since tuesday, and that hotlines are seeking additional volunteers. activists are also calling for organizers desk organized resistance against the trump presidency. several groups said they are preparing for a short-term fight against trump's policies. say.ng-term fight, should from more, we're joined by becky bond, long-time progressive activist, senior adviser on volunteer mobilization for the bernie sanders campaign. she has a new book out called "rules for revolutionaries: how , big organizing can change everything." atlanta, atus from the facing race conference, chicano feminist at the most
were she is a social media strategist and vice president, helped organize protests here in new york at trump tower. also helped coordinate the our 100 letter to the nation with a cofounders of black lives matter and others to both critically evaluate trump's victory and also look at how to move forward. we welcome you to democracy now! i want to begin right now with becky bond. what you see took place and what you think has to happen. >> i think a lot of us, most of us are stunned. people are losing sleep over what happened on tuesday night. but when we look at what has been going on for the last year, it should not be too much of a surprise to understand how this happened. we have a clinton campaign that was not speaking to the real hurt america was feeling and was not offering the radical solutions that we need to solve the urgent problems of our time.
what we think needs to happen now is not only do we need to resist, but we also need to rebuild our democratic institutions because we saw the voters not just vote for trump, but vote a resounding rejection of clintonism in your liberalism will stop juan: jolene, you're having the conference now. what are the main topics you're dealing with in terms of strategies ahead yet though >> we're talking about how to reckon with the fact that the majority, the vast majority of people of color support a very different vision for this country and we need to especially reckon with the fact that 53% of white women voted to have a sexual predator, a racist, be the president-elect of this country. jodean, you were also in new york before you went to atlanta for this conference. the skype has frozen, so we're
going to go to becky for a moment. becky, before tuesday, the big discussion was the republican inty had to re-create itself some ways, parts of it had died, now republican party is, to say the least, just going to figure out how they will align themselves back together again, but they seem to be doing that very quickly. it is the democratic party that people are saying, where will he go right now? you have the bernie sanders wing and elizabeth warren and -- who else would you say? what is going to happen? you are a close advisor to bernie sanders. >> for one thing, the vast majority of young people in this if the millennial vote had decided the outcome of the election, then secretary clinton would have won by a landslide. we have to look to the future and we have to rebuild the democratic already in the united
states. one of the things in the book i wrote is about our expenses on the campaign called "world for revolutionaries," we learned on the bernie sanders campaign that people are waiting to be asked to do something big. they're are not as interested in doing something small to win something small. if you say we're going to win big change, they're willing to do a lot. we need to get millions of people involved in the process and we need to get the white working class, african-americans, the latino working-class. we need to build the coalition to actually win the changes that are going to improve people's lives, people who ended up voting for donald trump, because they did not believe clinton was asked to going to change this country for the better. we need to start that rebuilding now, and it starts by embracing a big organizing approach. the clinton campaign made a big mistake by not getting people involved in the campaign. they focused on consultants. they decided they were very few people in this country that needed to be persuaded in a few states. traditional
constituencies for granted. we need a big campaign that addresses all of the issues and put race at the core of the message to everyone, because we don't solve problems like structural racism, then we will never solve income inequality. the good news is, a lot of people are saying, what can i do? that is one of the reasons why those on the bernie campaign coming out. here is what we got started. we need to bring the struggles together and when you to fight for big things. , what do you say now, for instance, the loyal opposition point of view that president obama has espoused and hillary clinton, now that it is time to see what we can do to make president trump succeed? what is your response to that? >> i would agree with becky that there are millions of people in this country right now asking
what they can do. we are really pleased there is a resource for people from all over the country to come together and pledged to take action and a follow explicitly women of color's leadership in a vision forward for this country that is a pro-immigrant, pro-woman vision that includes a vision for black lives and end to rip coulter and islamophobia. over 100 women of color came together and on the morning after the election, we wrote a letter to this country saying here is a vision forward, join us, pledged to take action, not just in the first 100 hours, not just in the first one hundred days, but beyond. i signing that pledge, people are making themselves available to get information from all of those 100 organizations led by women of color to find out how it is they can continue to take action, how it is we can continue to stand together and protect our immigrant communities, protect our muslim brothers and sisters, and stand
together for a country that needs to be led by women of color if it is going to be a country that is working and good for all of us. amy: donald trump tweeted last night -- i also see increasingly in the mainstream media like cnn, they're talking about the professional activists who are getting out there trying to delegitimize the level of protest around the country right now. that term "professional activist." i think donald trump is very afraid and needs to be very afraid of a public that sees democracy as not a spectator sport. i people that believe that we need to be in the streets, we need to be able to govern ourselves, and that is the true
spirit of democracy. thousands and thousands of women, tens of thousands of women in the weeks leading up to the election who are women of color, survivors of sexual assault, took to the streets to protest the trump tapes. these were not professional activists. these were tens of thousands of women who came out to the streets within 36 hours notice because we know how dangerous it is that a racist, sexual predator, someone who believes in authoritarian government who does not believe our democracy must be and should be owned by all of us, as the president-elect. we're not professional protesters. we are mothers, sisters, daughters, we are people of this country. i would love to be in a country where all elected officials see the activism of people, the desire to participate in our democracy is aptly what this country needs. , if you could,d the move by bernie sanders came
out in support of having keith ellison a minnesota become the new head of the democratic national committee to replace donna brazile, and interim head right now, the importance of that, of removing the leadership of the democratic party that was responsible for this losing strategy in this election? to replace the people responsible for the clinton campaign debacle at the dnc, and put in a true leader like keith ellison speaks to the young people of this country, who speaks to the african-american community, speaks to the working class committee. we need new leadership at the dnc. keith ellison needs to clean wese and start rebuilding so can replace donald trump in 2020. amy: we want to thank you both for being with us, becky bond, jodeen olguin-tayler, for joining us. becky bond's new book is called "rules for revolutionaries: how big organizing can change everything."
amy: for good everybody knows" by leonard cohen, who is just out of the 82. he died at his home in los angeles. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. now global markets have , rebounded after plummeting upon the news of trump's victory. stocks of some companies surged, including the largest private prison contractor, corrections corporation of america -- which recently changed its name to corecivic -- and is up 43% since trump's victory. geo group, another private
prison contractor, is up 21%. meanwhile, stocks also surged for many military contractors, including raytheon, general dynamics, lockheed martin and boeing. amy: for more we're joined by two guests,, william hartung director of the arms and , security project at the center for international policy. hartung's article for the huffington post is headlined, "trump's pentagon plan could cost almost $1 trillion; smart diplomacy would be cheaper, more effective." also, seth freed wessler, was been following private detention centers. his latest piece for the nation magazine is called "ice plans to reopen the very same private prison the feds just closed." we welcome you both to democracy now! the night of the election, it looked like s&p was going way down, but there were certain industries that surged, private prisons and military contractors. talk about the military contractors. >> the contractors paid attention.
trump gave a speech in october talking about increasing pentagon spending, bigger navy, bigger army, bigger marines, bigger air force, a star wars program. it was pretty much tied to proposal by the heritage foundation, which, as you mentioned, would cost close to $1 trillion more over the next 10 years than huge amount the pentagon already had in store for itself. there popping champagne corks. there was an article by lauren thompson, basically, a paid flack for the industry masquerading as a journalist, who said "happy days are here to get for the defense industry." i think our job is to make sure that is not the case. juan: how does trump skew that with his claims that he is against many more military interventions by the united states and these regime change policies of the obama policy? >> there's no real logic with trump. he claims he does not what
regime change, he can make the pentagon more efficient, he wants allies to spend more. that would logically lead to lower senate on spending. he is kind of tied in with the neocons, with the industry. he seems to be taking a ronald reagan argument. you can never just been enough on the pentagon and you can decide how to use it. he has made the pentagon a cash machine again for contractors. bese contradictions might useful in trying to peel off some of his supporters to oppose some of these policies. juan: seth freed wessler, what about the prison industry and the private prison industry especially? >> immediately after was clear that trump had won, we saw the private prison companies cca and geo group, their stocks just sort. knowhappen because people donald trump has run does run the campaign consistently describing what he will do and
how he will treat immigrants. he is been fairly clear about that. he said he will deport millions of people. he says he will repeal obama's executive actions that protect young undocumented immigrants called dreamers from deportation. all of these people will be -- could be detained in effect up by immigration authorities. the size of our detention system is poised to grow. the trump campaign has also said it wants to impose new mandatory minimum sentences on people who reenter the country after deportation. requiring the people who returned to the united states are handed years long sentences for the act of crossing the border. if legislation like that passes, it will result in multiple new prisons having to be built. the obama administration recently ordered the department
-- the bureau of prisons to be in closing federal, private prisons. that is likely not to happen under a trump administration or likely -- where we're likely to see the opposite of that. a growing population of citizens locked up in federal criminal facilities and immigration detention facilities. in the u.s., federal private prisons are used to hold immigrants in a both in the criminal side and the civil detention side, both of those systems are poised to grow because donald trump has consistently promised to deport more people, to round people up. these are real threats. communities around the country are gearing up to face a level of attack by immigration and customs enforcement, restarting of things like workplace raids and using local police can now conduct a minute immigrants and deport them no matter what they have done were accused of.
we now have news that kris kobach has joined the creek -- transition team, the kansas secretary of state, who helped draft and push sb 1070 in arizona, the law that has now been fought back in the courts. that sort of law that allowed local police -- require local police to ask everybody about their immigration status, made it a crime to be undocumented. nd a thinge ki the federal government to do by us all over the country. amy: so trump could reverse the justice department order to test prison systems? >> if trump gets what he wants, if he is locking up more noncitizens, the bureau of prisons is going to continue -- very likely going to continue
using that. there is an order in place -- obama -- the justice department has told the bureau of prisons to close these prisons, and there are several months when some of these prisons could be emptied and closed, but what we thatsaw under obama is immigration and customs enforcement, which has now been expanding the size of its thention system already -- tension system already, when in inserted using one of those very desk thatisons at the were just shut down. i think we're more likely to see that. being repurposed or -- amy: rudy giuliani, a key player right now for donald trump, the daily news reported in -- on july 12 that rudy giuliani's law firm paid big money was paid big money to lobby for the corrections corporation of america.
intod geo group put money a pac supporting trump. it is clear there is a lot of support in both directions. but trump ran on a policy about going after immigrants, deporting immigrants, locking them up which means detaining and incarcerating people. that is very likely due happen through private prisons. >> seth freed wessler, thank you for being with us from the investigative fund, william hartung, the director of the arms and security project. on november 12, 1991, drills allan nairn and amy goodman were there when indonesian troops armed with weapons. >> they killed more than 270 day,timorese on that
november 12, 19 91. we're going to go back to that day with a documentary allan and i produced as we witness this massacre. and twot one sister brothers. >> it was 10 days before i was to give birth. the army was shooting people and they would died our feet. you could not stop to help. >> them. >> i know families that were totally wiped out. newsmen badly beaten, mr. allan nairn and amy goodman. amy: the army converged in two places. >> hundreds and hundreds of troops coming straight at the temer reeves. -- theyn they came opened fire on the people. >> we were standing up to human rights.
i very concerned about what is happening in east timor. we have ignored it so far in ways that i think are unconscionable. amy: massacre, the story of east timor. i am amy goodman. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. that was 25 years ago today. 271 people killed. we're going right now to dili. allan nairn is there. he just came from the cemetery where there was a reenactment of the massacre. we only have a few minutes. can you tell us what people are saying 25 years later and what it is like for you -- you were wounded, your skull was fractured -- to return to the site? >> well, it is really something because what they did tonight --
these were young people, many of whom were not born at the time of the massacre were they were little kids. they played the part, the soldiers and the marchers, and they had studied their history. at the end of this pageant, it looked like it did on that day. the actual street in front of the cemetery was covered with bodies. but these bodies rose up. they started singing. thele who were playing soldiers came through. they broke their guns. the spirit was not solemn. there was crying, but it was like a celebration of the power. people often make the mistake of underestimating their own power. that was not the atmosphere here. people were celebrating.
what happened after the real massacre, they sparked an international movement in the u.s., were able through grassroots pressure to get covers to cut off u.s. military aid one step at a time. eventually, into the occupation of timor. they won their independence. themselves were rebelling in jakarta in 1998, they looked into the faces of those indonesian protesters and he imagined he saw the eyes of the timorese. he was afraid if he opened fire on his own protesters from his remaining u.s. eight would be cut off. his security men tell me later, he specifically feared it would be another santa cruz. they would pay too heavy of a price. he hesitated. the people ine jakarta were emboldened. they kept coming out in waves. they ended a dictatorship. and all of his radiated from the
actions of the east timorese, who on that morning, seems like they were crushed. the generals must have been thinking, my god, we have to keep comin killing these peopleo keep coming back. >> a lot of people have been asking about trump. people here are not underestimating their power. americans, we should not underestimate hours, either. what happened in the u.s. radiated from the collapse of the american middle class will step the u.s. could have swung radically left with sanders and ended up swinging radically right with trump. at the democratic establishment is -- has completely discredited itself. pe for takeover. amy: we will do part two after the broadcast. allan nairn speaking to us from
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