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this week, a line in the sand. president obama lays out his vision for peace. >> we believe the borders of israel and palestine should be based on the 1967 lines. >> israel digs in. >> we can't go back to the defensive lines. >> in the first interview since resigning as middle east envoy, george mitchell speaks out. plus an exclusive interview with an arab leader who plays a critical role in any situation. jordan's king abdullah. >> do you feel there's another war? >> and back at home. politics getting messy. and a classic recipe for disaster. sex, power and politics. >> live from the newseum in washington, "this week" with christiane amanpour starts right now.
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>> welcome to our viewers here and around the world. there's lots to discuss in the world stage and campaign trail. but first we want to catch you up on news since the sunday morning papers. a major development in the republican race for the white house. in the midnight e-mail to his supporters, indiana governor mitch daniels said he will not run for president in 2012. daniels quickly became the most buzzed about noncandidate but his wife had veto power. and the governor acknowledged it in his statement today. saying, quote, simply put, i find myself caught between two duties, i love my country. i love my family more. much more coming up. and huge plumes of smoke over iceland. the country's most active volcano is reerupting and spewing clouds of ash into the
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sky. remember a year ago, another volcano stranded 10 million travelers and now iceland's international airport is closed. and president obama is preparing to address apac this morning, the country's larkest pro-israel group in a few hours from now. this, after stirring up a hornet's net. >> the speech was billed as president obama's response to the wind of change blowing through the middle east. instead, it set off a firestorm of criticism. both in israel and from republicans. governor mitt romney said president obama has thrown israel under the bus. majority leader eric cantor said the speech undermines the relations with israel and mike huckabee, president obama betrayed israel. newt gingrich called it disastrous. the cause of this uproar? obama the first u.s. president
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to publicly endure negotiations. for the last decade. >> we feel it should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed spots. so secure and recognized borders are established for both states. >> what's he's talking about is this. these are the borders of israel before the 1967 six-day war. the victory then put the west bank and gaza with the large palestinian population under its control. since then, israel annexed a large part of jerusalem and the west bank and built thousands of settlements, where nearly 300,000 israeli, live among 2 million palestinians, beyond the '67 borders. late thursday, after the president's speech and as prime minister benjamin netanyahu went
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to washington. he endorsed plans for new settlement houses. the united states going back to president nixon initially called settlement activity illegal. the reagan administration softened that a bit saying settlement was not constructed. bill clinton allowed for natural growth and 2004, president bush added the u.s. now recognized the new realities on the ground. at a tense meeting at the white house friday, netanyahu demanded the white house returned to the bush position and flatly rejected a return to the '67 borders. >> these lines indefensible because they don't take into account certain changes that have taken place on the ground, demographic changes that have taken place over the last 44 years. remember, before 1967 israel was all of 90 miles wide.
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half the width of the washington beltway. >> what we saw friday was an israeli prime minister lecturing the president in public about the course of jewish history. the course of middle east history. barack obama know this material and i have to imagine, just looking at the body language that he would have places he would rather have been. >> obama visited israel before his election but has not returned since becoming president. according to polls there. the number of israelis who believe president obama favors the palestinians, has been steadily growing since his speech in cairo. where he talked about a more even-handed approach to middle east diplomacy. >> we see this conflict only from one side or the other. that we will be blind to the truth. >> in his speech thursday, he was tough on the palestinians as well. assailing the recent unit government between the
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palestinian authority and hamas which is considered a terrorist organization. and he warned the palestinians not to pursue recognition at the united nations. >> for the palestinian efforts to delegitimize israel will end in failure. palestinian leaders will not achieve dexterity. palestinians will never realize their independence by denying the right of israel to exist. >> in an interview with the bbc after his speech. president obama tried to smooth ruffled feathers and emphasized his unshakeable commitment to israel's security. >> you'll have two states and the basis for negotiations will involve looking at that 1967 border, recognizing that conditions on the ground have changed, and there are going to be swaps to accommodate the interests of both sides. that's on the one hand. on the other hand. this is an equally important part of this speech. israel has to feel confident about its security on the west bank.
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>> the big question now, will the president's declaration jump-start the peace process or is it broken beyond repair? for answers i turn to george mitchell. the administration's envoy to israel and palestinians until just this past friday. this is the senator's first interview since he stepped down. >> senator a huge flap has arisen over the word '67 in the speech by president obama. is the president signifying a major shift in u.s. policy? >> no, he wasn't. it was a significant statement. the president said the united states's commitment is unshakeable. and it is. the security cooperation is the best it's ever been. the president didn't say that israel has to go back to the '67 lines. he said with agreed swaps. these are significant. swaps mean an exchange of land, intended to accommodate major israeli population centers to be
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incorporated into israel and israel's security needs. agreed means through negotiations, both parties must agree. there's not going be a border unless israel agrees to it and we know they won't agree unless security is satisfied as it should be. the proposal was identical to the proposal made by the israeli prime minister prior to netanyahu. why the flack? why is prime minister netanyahu and his supporters behave as if this is a major change and really threatening israel? >> i don't think it's threatening israel. the major objective of this initiative among others is to prevent a disaster from occurringality at the united nations general assembly in september. they'll seek unilateral declaration of statehood. of the president spoke out
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strongly against that. we oppose it. and the way to prevent that from occurring is to provide an alternative in direct negotiation that would foreclose and make not necessary that option. >> you've just handed in your resignation after two years of being the special envoy. are you more or less optimistic than you were when you started this? >> one has to have optimism to undertake this assignment? >> what does that mean? >> it means just what i said when i resigned. when i met with the president initially, i said, as president, i can't do a full four-year term. i said two years. he said that's fine. >> that's very nice and diplomatic. on the other hand many friends, allies and colleagues said george mitchell is a good and honest man and faced with a process going nowhere. >> it's indisputable that we have not made as much progress as we would have liked. >> let's go back to the
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beginning of this administration's endeavors on the decades long process. >> president obama made it clear that the end of israeli settlements would be conditions for new talks but also wanted the arab countries to make faith building, trust building maneuvers towards israel. that didn't happen. the arabs didn't step forward. do you think in retrospect it was a mistake to insist the settlements remain preconditions for talks? >> it was not a precondition. the mistake was to not make that as clear as we could have. the president's position was that israel should stop new settlement construction activity. and, at the same time that the palestinians should agree to come in to talks, they were not stated as precondition, although, unfortunately, they were then adopted as preconditions. >> certainly the whole world took it as a precondition.
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and a new position by the united states. >> as i said, we should have made that more clear. we never stated t. >> why should anybody think there is a way out of this. what is the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again. >> there's another definitions of insanity. that's give up on a valid goal because you've gotten discouraged and you can't succeed. >> qualified optimism. from senator mitchell. the administration is still grappling with fall out. from the president's speech. let's bring in jake tapper and aaron miller, a veteran of the state department where he toiled over the peace process with sex secretaries of state. he's now a fellow at the woodrow wilson international center for scholars at princeton. thank you both very much. behind the scenes, what was this '67 line about, did they expect to make such a problem? >> i didn't think they expected as big a diplomatic kerfuffle.
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obviously they knew it would ruffle feathers. >> i don't think he said to go to the '67 borders. which is what he said. the goal was to jump-start the process. also, as senator mitchell pointed out, to try to avoid this u.n. vote in september about statehood. >> jake's right. they did this for the reasons. i'm sympathetic. empathetic. truman described it as a 100 year headache. that's exactly what it is. the reality is, how can you give a speech the day before the prime minister arrive. a guy you don't have a relationship. a guy who sleeps not with one eye open, but, two, when it comes to barack obama and you open up an issue, june '67 which, for palestinians means redemption and israelis pitch means national suicide the way they interpret it.
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and as a consequence, do you it at a time when there are no negotiations. abbas just made a deal with hamas against the backdrop of a very charged political environment. the consequences of this were, i would argue, predictable. >> so, you talked about no relationship. they have a frosty relationship at best, right, jake? >> there's no love lost. i think it's fair to say. i think it's fair to say when bebedidding in something i never saw happen, that which is this history lesson on the jewish people and surf that did not endear him further to the white house. >> were you stunned by that? >> it was pretty unprecedented. he was too polite to do it publicly. he saw an opportunity. clearly upset. he feels that he was set up. so this was pay back. it was pay back at a time when
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the prime minister feels pretty self-confident that the peace process is going nowhere. i'm not sure, for an american audience, you want to be in position of lecturing your only reliable ally. >> even jeffery goldberg who is the most reliable, said he was offended to see the israeli prime minister basically lecturing the president to the united states, and netanyahu went out of his way to alienate this president. >> what they're upset about behind the scenes is the israeli's knowledge, obviously the borders with mutually agreed upon land swaps is the basis for territorial negotiation. that has always been behind the scenes. now this is official first-time interrogation. now it's the official position,
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and what that does is gives away a chip at the negotiating table. now that's israelis don't exact a possession from the palestinians in exchange for that agreement. >> jake's right. there's something more. it's not just the principle, it's the next step. that the administration is going to take a position on a number. because the swap is somewhere between 2% which the palestinians assert and anywhere between 8% to 10% that the israelis have 4% to 6%. the next step in this process, i'm sure this guy is going to put a number on the table. that, i can't deal with. >> you mentioned george mitchell, and the former prime minister of israel. he did give a wide-ranging offer. at that time the palestinian leader did not step up and take t. he was still prime minister. >> different guy, different circumstances. woody allen said 90% of life is just showing up. he's wrong. 90% of life is showing up at the right time.
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the reality is right now, no peace process, no prospects. hamas, the world in a modified form of chaos and uncertainty, now is not the time to launch an initiative. >> he got the worse of both worlds. he ignored the israelis. at the same time he sent a message to the palestinians. you know what i conclude? it's working. the u.n. initiative frightened the administration, now the president took a position on borders maybe next week he'll say something on jerusalem. >> quickly, what does he have to do to -- >> i don't know. >> there will be low level talks between israelis and palestinians. that will continue at the quartet level. the envoys will talk about what next what next? but a big issue right now
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becomes, what is fatah going to do >> we bring tout next segue, we'll ask king abdullah of jordan. up next the monarch discusses the palestinian issue. i sit down with key u.s. ally king abdullah of jordan. and newt gingrich. damage control on the 2012 campaign trail. and sex scandals that rock the public here and abroad. scandals that rock the public here and abroad.
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uprising in the middle east. israel, of course, ate up most of the headlines but in many respects the arab uprising presents the white house with an urgent set of questions. revolution is happening now and my guest is caught right in the middle. he's king abdullah of jordan a key american ally and author of a book "our last best chance." the pursuit of peace in a time of peril. i sat down with him earlier this week. >> king abdullah, thank you for joining us. how do you describe what's going on? is it a wake-up call? for yourself and other world leaders? that region? definitely a wake-up call. is a new and definitely defining moment for the middle east. which go, i hope, reaching out to the aspirations of the youth. this is a big story when you look back on it years from now. >> what is it that you're being asked to wake up to. what can you do about it?
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>> there's two aspects. obviously, this was because of the world economic crisis. a large portion of youth in the middle east suffering from economic hardships that want a better life. it was frustration and desires that led to political awakening, that you want to be able to track their own destiny. >> the latest poll said two thirds, maybe half of all jordan yans want democracy. what will you do to realize that dream. >> at the beginning of this, we bought all sectors of society together. created dialogue to decide what jordanians want. the committee embarked on two laws. new election law, political party law which is critical for the future of jordan. we have new elections and it
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will be the start of new dempsey in our country. >> in jordan 13% of the people polled say they have a positive view of the united states. americans are concerned that a new democracy in your country and elsewhere, could be an islamist scary future. do you feel that is possible in jordan? >> not in jordan could be possible elsewhere. in my position, i have the responsibility to lead the debate in the right direction. jordan will move towards the light. i have no worries about jordan. i don't know how in other countries -- each country in the middle east is different. you alluded to the united states not being popular. again, we have to remember the reason, for the most part that america is not popular is the perceived lack of ability to move the israeli palestinian process forward. >> in your book you're relentless about criticizing prime minister netanyahu. is he an obstacle to peace? >> my discussions with him have been very thorough.
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when he speaks to me, i see vision of peace for the palestinians, peace for the arabs. and i always left the meetings feeling very optimistic. unfortunately the circumstances we've seen on the ground over the past few years does not fill me with much hope. i have a feeling that we'll be living with a status quo for 2011. as you know, whenever we accept the status quo, we do so until there's another war. that's the concern. >> do you feel there might be another war? >> well, if you look to the past ten years, every two to two and a half years, there's either the war or conflict, so looking back over the past 12 years, my experience shows me, if we ignore these issues something will burst. >> israelis are saying they cannot have peace talks with a group like hamas.
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who they deem as terrorists. america as well deems hamas as a terrorist organization. yet before everybody is saying we can't have peace talks because the palestinians are divided. how do you get beyond that? >> if i can play devil's advocate, i wish they would pick one argument and bloody well stick to it. in the past they've said hamas doesn't represent the palestinian people. and now maybe he does represent the palestinian people and israeli argument we can't deal with him because of hamas. abbas was very clear they will not be part of the government. will not have any role in the security apparatus in the west bank, it's important to the united states, important to jordan. we work together to train the palestinian forces. christiane, it's always easy to find an excuse why not to do the right thing. if we continue along those lines, then we will never solve this problem. at the end of the day the arabs
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and israelis pay the ultimate price. we've seen the region for how many decades. we need leaders with courage to solve this once and for all. >> let's talk about some of the neighboring states. syria is in a bad state right now. there's violent repression of people who want democracy. many people thought that bashar al assad was a reformer. >> today he has a major challenge, how do you reach up to the people and bring you on the table. that hasn't happened in syria. i think to turn things around, dialogue, natural outreach is the way to do so. >> is the president of syria in charge? >> i talked to him on several occasions to see what jordan does to bring stability to syria.
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and from my discussions with him and from what i hear, he is in charge. yes. he is calling the shots. i think he needs to reach out to the people and get people on the table. i learned from my father is to keep as close to the people as possible. and on a weekly basis, i go out and visit different sectors of society. i sit down with people from all walks of life and we discuss all of the issues that are relevant to them. >> the queen has been relatively viciously attacked in jordan. in the book you write you have an equal partnership. why is she being attacked? are there any merits to the ground that there have been land grabs that she organized for her family or other corruptions? >> everything i've heard is ludicrous and sad. when many many jordanians know
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what she has done for women, for children not only in jordan but across the region and further afield. i think in an atmosphere where anybody that wants to look at destabilizing jordan and have a go at me looking at a weaker link. having a go at rania, it's sad for all of us that people would stoop to that level. >> does she have any pow toers pick certain ministers or civil service? >> she's never gotten involved in the government. her mandate has always been education, education, education. i'm hoping our society will wake up to this. and put it to this. it's been so destructive. not just rania. many people are accused by people who manage to get away with it. >> thank you very much. >> and up next, big changes in the republican presidential field?
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you're an embarrassment to our party. why don't you get out before you make a fool of you're an embarrassment to our party. why don't you get out before you make a fool of yourself. >> stop the hate. stop anti-gay politics, dividing court country and not fixing the economy. >> nice to live in a free country. >> scenes from a very bad week. newt gingrich is trying to explain why he denounced the paul ryan budget plan as right-wing social engineering. will the candidate be able to turn the page. let's bring in our kbl. george will.
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matthew dowd, donna brazile and abc political correspondent, jonathan karl. welcome. first, the breaking news governor mitch daniels said in an e-mail that he is not going to throw his hat into the ring. you spoke to him. what did he say? >> his a friend of me and my wife. he called to say he made a civilized decision. it's the late david broder's rule, that anyone who will do what they have to do to become president should not become president. we have now had three presidential candidates. hayley barbour and mike huckabee saying i would rather not. that's not a moral failing, you have duties to your country and your family. all of that said, that's one person. huckabee out, puts in play the evangelical christian vote which is almost half the vote. in republican primaries. tim pawlenty is well positioned. >> i want to get to the back story.
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what do you think went into the mitch daniels decision. he said his family, is it because his wife didn't want to do it? >> this was a personal decision. daniels was getting urged by of everybody to get in this. up until just yesterday, top republicans were thinking he was going to go and pushing very hard saying you have to do this. you are the candidate. he becomes the default anti-mitt romney candidate. the establishment choice. i totally agree. now is tim pawlenty's moment. >> did he say that about his wife? >> he did not. he talked about his entire family which means his children, four daughters. >> to me this is indicative. the candidates are making more new, running p and not running. at a time the president is as vulnerable going into reelect in recent memories, the number is in the my 40s. he's immensely beat many. all of these credible candidates remind me a little bit like the
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"seinfeld" show. where it's about nothing, all of these candidates coming in and out. huntsman, i think it's indicative of a republican field not quite knowing where to go with this. >> good news for your side? >> first of all it's good news for the republican party. they clearly have to figure out who will be their stand to bear. a year from now, we may not know the republican nominee because of the nominating process which will force these candidates to compete in one of the four early states. new hampshire, south carolina nevada. they don't have to come in first, but then you get to a situation where you have proportional represent sensation, it will be drawn out, because there's no front-runner right now, it means the republicans will have to compete against each other for the next year or so. that will give president obama enough, what i call leg room to go out and fix the economy which will put him in a better position. >> i think one from the things
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you see, there's surprise of people not getting in. many people as jonathan said, thought mitch daniels was going to run. seems like the right candidate. >> i think what you'll see in the next four, five months are surprising candidates who get in who are not mentioned right now. i think governor perry in texas is probably going to reconsider. it will be a good moment for a guy very popular among tea party, very states ready. very anti-government, can raise a ton of money. governor cristy in new jersey. there will be surprising entries. >> they all said no, but there will be a push to get in. we saw this before. wes clark got in in september. ted thompson got in in september. it is very hard, no matter how big a name you are, to get that n that late in the game. >> i think you may be wrong. republicans strung out the calendar, no one runs the table and gets a better test.
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i don't think that might happen. you might have an early coalesce you might have so few people. get down to a few people in february and set it in march. >> herman cane just announced he is running. he can come in second. then again, if you don't have an established candidate, the republicans may have to go the entire distance and that may not produce a real credible person. >> there's no republican establishment. it died before the herald tribune did in new york. >> one we know is in is newt gingrich. he spent the whole week trying to dig himself out of this hole that we established sunday. has he done it or has he not? let's play this. >> on the record. any ad which quotes what i said on sunday is a falsehood. because i have said publicly, those words were inaccurate and unfortunate.
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>> everybody here collapsed in giggles. >> i think what many people forget, he hasn't been in the public eye in 13 years. if people reflect back at the time he wasn't in the public eye, these days it's bits and pieces. this is the first time he's been in the public eye. very much a reminder how he used to be 13 years ago. >> is he the hope for the party? >> i said last week right here that he was not a serious candidate. he went out and spent the week vindicating me. it's over. he may not know it. that candidacy died in the first week. >> certainly the white house loves it. we've seen twitter. in which he said the biggest take-away from the gingrich flap, ending medicare as we know it is the new gop litmus test. do you think that's what it will boil down to on this run? >> not necessarily, we've seen one of the potential republican candidates fully embrace the ryan plan.
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that's john huntsman. the candidate, that in all other categories would seem to be the moderate candidate in the race. i'm not sure we have the special election on tuesday in the 26th district in new york. this is a solidly republican district. karl paladino now has the candidate winning, this is seen as a referendum on the ryan medicare plan. >> it's not exactly fair. there's a tea party candidate in this race. >> there's something to watch. here's someone to watch. watch the senator from california. he's as close to the republican party as he has. he's supported all important south carolina last time. he supported mitt romney. this time he's said i would never consider resupporting mitt romney, unless he admits what he did in massachusetts in health care was a, quote, colossal mistake. instead of doing that, he's
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doubled down on that. the fact he raised impressively $10 million in one day -- >> which he did. >> and if money settled everything. meg whitman would be governor of california. money doesn't determine everything. >> what about, then you mentioned john huntsman. you've spoke ton john huntsman. >> i have. >> george stephanopoulos spoke to him. this is what he said to george this week. >> from primary voters, the number one question is, does he have a chance? he worked for obama. what's the answer? >> i worked for the president of the united states. the president asked me. president of all of the people. during a time of war, during a time of economic difficulty from my country. if i'm asked to serve, i'll stand up and do it. >> so you'd do it again? >> of course. >> will that be enough to win? >> to me, this is the biggest problem. even roger clemens went to the red sox, went to canada for two years before he went to the
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yankees. this guy has gone directly to working for barack obama, at a time when the republican party wants the vilifythe vilification of the president. he's a moderate voice. >> the caucus goers are moderate republicans, someone has to get that. he may not win the republican nomination. >> he's not even going to iowa. i detest subsidies, doesn't worship at the church of ethanol. therefore he's not even -- >> he's got an audience. so there must be some who are hoping to -- >> there's definitely space in this race for a moderate candidate. there's money for moderate candidates. there's glowing editorials to be written about the moderate candidate. there's also a chance. there really isn't a path to victory. >> he's flip-flopped on health care. he has a romney problem on
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health care. he flip-flopped on climate change. the problem with huntsman, he's going to have to run against himself for a couple weeks. >> he's an impressive guy, just running at the wrong time in the wrong party. >> do you remember the speaking role? he had a speaking role -- >> a prominent one. >> what was it? >> nominating sarah palin. >> a beacon of light. >> the adjective to describe the nominating party, is hot. he's cool hand huntsman. he's moderate. appeals to those who say he would be the ideal candidate if only republicans weren't so very republican. >> let's switch topics and we'll add sex in and potentially abuse of power here. the former governor of california admitted to fathering a child while he was married. the public knew some of these issues, they were brought up. they seem to be voting anyway.
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will this make a difference out of the scandal coming out in public's tolerance of these kind of affairs? >> to me, first of all, i worked for arnold schwarzenegger, and i am very good friends with maria shriver. >> as many of us are. >> our hearts go out to her that this time and her children, are suffering through this. all of these scandals are not about sex, or a sandal about infidelity which the public is, i think generally forgiving about. things happen in people's lives. these scandals are not about sex, they are about power, they are about control, they are about humiliation. if you look at specifics, it is not a sex scandal, it is a scandal of really corruption at a really personal level in my view. >> there's arrogance of power, also sex, also abuse of authority at a time when the
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public is calling on politicians to restrain and calling for politicians to set a better example to the country. >> on that note, thank you very much indeed. we'll take a sharper look at the schwarzenegger scandal. and also the sexual assault indictment of the former head of the international monetary fund. what do these cases reveal about men and women, sex and politics. all of that is coming up. oh. but i did pick up your dry cleaning and had your shoes shined. well, i made you a reservation at the sushi place around the corner. well, in that case, i better get back to these invoices... which i'll do right after making your favorite pancakes. you know what? i'm going to tidy up your side of the office. i can't hear you because i'm also making you a smoothie. [ male announcer ] marriott hotels & resorts knows it's better for xerox to automate their global invoice process so they can focus on serving their customers. with xerox, you're ready for real business.
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former governor arnold schwarzenegger reveals a love child in california as the former head of the ims with sexual assault charges in new york. what do these stories say about the men and their countries? coming up next. "this week" with christiane amanpour from the newseum in wag washington d.c. continue in a moment after this from our abc stations.
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former governor arnold schwarzenegger, making a public admission he fathered a child with a member of his household staff more than ten year ago. >> the disgraced head of ims -- >> sex attack on a hotel maid here in new york city. >> extraordinary falls from grace for two larger than life politicians this week. arnold schwarzenegger and dominique strauss-kahn both involved in scandals when it comes to sex and politics very little shops us these days it seems, but these stories have struck a chord. we want to sort out the implications. abc's cokie roberts and steve roberts joins us and joining us from paris, elainele sciolino. her book is called "le see
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seduction." i want to say, these are two different issues, one a full-blown sex scandal. elaine, you've written this is france's anita hill moment. what do you mean by that? >> anita hill challenged clarence thomas when he was up to become a supreme court justice back in 1991. she claimed he sexually harassed her. he was confirmed but it opened up a discussion in the united states. sexual harassment laws were expanded and new laws imposed in the workplace. the same thing is happening in france. this is a moment in which all french everybody from the merchant in the store to the top politicians are saying, is this the way we should be behaving. it is this a moment of truth for us? consciousness raising, should we
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indeed think about changing our own rules? >> it's interesting, everything we've heard that the french were pretty much up in arms about seeing him, the famous perp walk. saying he's victim of a conspiracy plot. have they changed the dialogue then? >> there is an evolution day by day. this is why i don't trust any polls on this subject. the first reaction is defiance, disbelief, shock. it can't possibly be that this man we knew could have been guilty of such a crime. sort of stage of grief. then came incredible anger when the french saw him in handcuffs publicly which is against french law and even worse when he appeared in a court of law unsafen and without a tie. finally, as few of the details have started to come out, more details, there is a questioning of where are we, was a crime committed. was this a consensual act.
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what does crossing the line mean in france. should we think about what is normal flirtation, and what is sexual harassment? when does sexual harassment become a crime and in this case, potentially a violent crime. >> cokie, steve, you've written "this week" that in fact the dominique strauss-kahn situation has implications for the united states as well. >> one of the points that weirelaine talked about, we did change after anita hill. made a difference in terms of electing women to office, all of that. one of the things we are way too slow to change on. finally, slightly geting there is listening to women when they make these complaints. the fact this fancy french hotel paid attention to a chamber maid, instead of the powerful frenchman is really a change that is very, very welcome.
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>> yet, in the arm, and as we know through all sorts of investigations, this does continue a lot. in the peace corps, in the military, everywhere. >> there have been a number of american institution very slow to respond in the way cokie is talking about. peace corps, over a thousand complaints of rape women have been subjected to. one women said the treatment by the peace corps was worse than the rape. because they were so disbelieving and critical the way they handled it. military even worse. yes, i agree completely. >> let me move over to arnold schwarzenegger, which is a sex scandal. the point here is there were people who wrote about some of his past history. he apologized in general before being elenged governor but nonetheless elected.
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one of the reporters who did a lot of investigation said look, we put this out and you elected him anyway. does it make a difference? >> what happened it's very interesting. what happened the "los angeles times," a big investigation when he was running for governor. they tried hard to know what he was talking about. they got affidavits who swore he harassed them. on the eve of the election it didn't make much difference. you're right. in some way, people said that was hollywood behavior. i think there's a different standard in terms of someone who wants the public trust. >> it's different to be pregnant at the same time as his wife is pregnant. in the house -- steven would be dead. you would not be interviewing him. he would be in the grave. >> even newt gingrich who had affairs in several marriages is a legitimate candidate. my question is, does it matter in today's political -- >> differ voters have different
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responses to this. some say what they do in their private lives doesn't matter. to me, it is a question of character, when you talk about president of the united states, every single thing about that person matters. >> what happened with newt gingrich, when you run more president, even someone as experienced as knute begin rich. you have no idea how white hot the intensity of scrutiny gets. things that were accepted. things that were okay. things he said thing es did as a commentator on fox, fine you run for president, as a different standard. i do think it matters in his campaign. >>. >> all right. thank you very much for joining us. and up next in memoriam and the "sunday funnies." are energy security and economic growth. north america actually has one of the largest oil reserves in the world. a large part of that is oil sands. this resource has the ability to create
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winning his time slot. a gay rights activist dumped glitter all over newt gingrich. but he believes marriage is a sacred bond. between a man, a woman and the other woman he's seeing on the side. >> not js male politician plenty of female politicians taking advantage to. for example, um -- all right. men are pigs. >> and that's it for our program today. for all of us here thank you for watching. follow me all week on twitter and and be sure to watch "world news" with david muir later tonight. see you again next week. see you again next week. e
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