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week isis in america, inside the urgent right now on abc's this week, isis in america, inside the urgent fbi warnings. jihadists here in the homeland ready to strike. plus military bases around the country now at high alert. our exclusive live interview with homeland security secretary jeh johnson. 2016 shakeup. why these long shot candidates are making big waves. a texas-sized conspiracy theory goes viral. why some think martial law is on the way in the lone star state. the surprising p response from the state's governor. and deflate-gate takedown what will happen to super bowl hero tom brady?
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good morning on this mother's day. i'm martha raddatz. great to have you with us. we start off with those dramatic new warnings from the fbi that hundreds, maybe thousands of isis followers inside the u.s. are being urged to kill americans. military bases nationwide increasing security, our exclusive live interview with the homeland security secretary just moments away. first the latest on these extraordinary warnings from senior justice correspondent pierre thomas. good morning, pierre. >> reporter: good morning, martha. in an urgent friday conference call, the fbi director and homeland security secretary met with thousands of law enforcement officials from across the country to warn them about a social media campaign by isis that's reaching americans in every state. the meeting of top law enforcement officials came on the heels of sunday's shoot-out in texas by two men believed to be isis supporters communicating with the group via social media. >> police officers that were
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nearby saw what was happening and engaged the two men and shot and killed them there at the scene. >> reporter: fbi director comey told reporters he believes isis has a large social media following in the u.s. numbering in the hundreds if not the thousands. those followers every day are being urged to join the islamic state. comey says, told to kill, kill, kill, wherever they are. in response to comey's concerns about isis' use of social media, the u.s. military is making security changes at bases across the country. here's abc's matt gutman. >> reporter: this is the u.s. coast guard installation here in miami. like all u.s. military installations, worldwide security here is heightened. this wasn't just prompted by that fbi warning. this also has to do with isis supporters posting online the names, pictures, and addresses of 100 u.s. service men and women. >> reporter: in a number of recent cases, the military has been a target right here at home. this spring a member of the
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illinois national guard was charged with supporting isis and allegedly planning an attack on his fellow soldiers. in the last two years the fbi has stopped more than 50 americans trying to join isis or support the group overseas. >> they are shooting out into the ether sphere thousands and thousands of messages a day. >> reporter: isis has been waging a secret war, a social media media campaign unlike anything u.s. law enforcement has seen before. their supporters mimic the popular grand theft auto video game, selling mayhem as fun. isis radicals use hip-hop to lure recruits. >> this is madison avenue meets documentary film making meets news channel with p.r. sensibilities and a marketing value. >> reporter: some in congress believe the u.s. response to the isis social media enslaughter has been week. >> look at their fancy means compared to what we're not doing.
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>> reporter: the fbi has hundreds of investigations of suspected home grown radicals, many involving isis. martha. >> with us, homeland security secretary jeh johnson. good morning, mr. secretary. thanks for joining us. >> good morning, martha. >> we have been talking about the isis social media campaign for well over a year, and yet the urgency this week coming from the fbi was quite extraordinary. >> well, let me begin with this. this weekend we're celebrating the 70th anniversary of the defeat of nazi germany. next week here in washington we celebrate national police week in honor of our fallen heros in law enforcement. we encourage the public to attend these events. there were thousands of people in the national mall last week celebrating. we want the public to be vigilant and be aware, but we encourage people to go to public events, sporting events, but we're very definitely in a new environment because of isil's
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effective use of social media, the internet which has the ability to reach into the homeland and possibly inspire others. and so, our government and our state and local law enforcement are having to do a number of things to address that which is why fbi director comey and i spend a lot of time these days talking to police chiefs, sheriffs around the country. we did that in a video teleconference just on friday. >> which was quite extraordinary in itself. you had really thousands of local law enforcement. are home grown jihadists ready to strike here in the u.s.? >> we have these types of bulletins, video teleconferences on a regular basis. director comey and i thought it would be appropriate that we personally participate. and your question reveals the new environment we're in, in that because of the use of the internet, we could have little or no notice in advance of an independent actor attempting to strike.
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and so that's why law enforcement at the local level needs to be ever more vigilant and we're constantly reminding them to do that. >> is the current structure of homeland security, the fbi, really prepared for this kind of threat, or are we going back and saying, look, we've done it all right before, we'll do the same thing now? there's no command and control really on these home grown jihadists. there might be. >> that's correct. every event, every attempted event, is very definitely a lesson learned, but since 9/11 we've come a long way in our ability to interface with state and local law enforcement. just on my watch in the last 16 months we've had to ramp up communications with state and local law enforcement because of the manner in which the global terrorist threat is evolving. the fbi and my department work every day together to get information out to law
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enforcement on the local level. >> let me go back to some of these statements by director comey. it's like they're saying kill, kill, kill all day long. there is nothing different between inspired and directed. if you can't travel they're saying kill where you are. are you as concerned as director comey? would you say this is the urgency that we should be concerned about? kill, kill, kill. >> we're very definitely in a new phase in the global terrorist threat where the so-called lone wolf could strike at any moment, which is why the fbi, in my judgment, has done an excellent job of getting to those who are attempting to travel to syria, who commit overt facts in furtherance of material support to terrorism. it is a new environment, but we are not discouraging americans from doing the things that they do on a daily basis in our society. >> we've had a strategy for countering violent extremism for
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about three years now. is one of the problems it hasn't really been implemented? >> i would disagree with that. since i've been secretary i have personally participated in engagements with community leaders in the islamic community and elsewhere. i've been to new york with deputy commissioner miller who i know is coming on, boston, minneapolis, chicago, los angeles and other places where i personally meet with community leaders about countering violent extremism in their communities. that has to be part of our efforts in this new phase. i think we're making progress. >> and are the local communities doing enough? >> the local communities, it varies. some are very tight knit. some do a very good job of knowing what's happening in their neighborhoods, in their communities. others are still a work in progress, but just in the last year i'm seeing progress. we see success stories in law enforcement reports but there's
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more we need to do, very clearly. >> what about the social media campaign. you look at their social media campaign and it is really quite extraordinary. senator cory booker said our efforts are laughable. >> well, i would disagree with that, but it's important to remember that a lot of the counter narrative needs to come from within the community. and so when i meet with community leaders, i'm asking them what are we doing to counter this narrative? it is slick, it is effective, but we need to get the message out. and that's not necessarily a government objective, a government mission. that has to come from within the community. it has to come from islamic leaders who, frankly, can talk the language better than the federal government can. and so when i meet with community leaders, islamic leaders, it's one of the things that we urge them to do. some have begun it. we've seen progress but there's a lot more to be done. >> specifically on the military
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quickly, if you will was there a specific threat or is it what pierre mentioned? >> it's pretty much self-evident. isil, other groups, have called for attacks on government installations, military installations, which is why we have ramped up our federal protective service at federal buildings around the country and why the military, the department of defense, is taking action itself. these are prudent steps. these are prudent, cautious steps in a time when the public and law enforcement and our government needs to be vigilant and needs to be aware. >> thank you very much for joining us, secretary johnson. now let's bring in john miller, deputy commissioner of intelligence for the new york city police department. he interviewed osama bin laden in 1998. and retired general peter chiarelli sfed in aerk rand as vice chief of staff when nidal hasan opened fire in ft. hood in 2009, killing 13 people. john miller, your reaction to what secretary johnson just
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said. are we doing enough? >> i think we're doing enough and doing all we can. martha, one of the issues in the post 9/11 world is when you're on high alert, 100% of the time, after a while you're never really on high alert. so when they turn up the warnings a little bit, it's usually because the traffic and the calls for violence have been turned up at the same time and we usually get a pretty good result from that which is people are more aware and people do step forward and give us any observation that concerns them. >> john, recently you said if this is going to succeed it needs to move with speed, needs resources, loud articulate voices, and communication savvy. it needs to have what isis has and it needs all that now. do we have all that now? >> we don't have all that, and i have to say, i sat in a room with secretary johnson in new york city this week with some of our key muslim community partners, and they brought with them an agenda which has its points about concerns about surveillance and investigations
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and so on. they had a long list of things they wanted us to stop. what wasn't really on the table and i think what the secretary is going for and i think what i've been calling for with our community leaders is, while we understand there are some things that they're concerned and need to stop, there are some things that we're concerned need to start and that's those community leaders are not as engaged in the counter message as we would hope. cory booker may say the government effort is pathetic. i like cory a lot, but this can't be a government effort. if the government effort that's countering a call for violence that's clothed in religion is coming from the government, it's already poisoned. this needs to come from credible voices in the community. what's isis using? they're using apple computers, director's final cut software, the same stuff that every other 19 and 22-year-old who has creativity can use to send out powerful messages and we need to
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see those counter messages coming now. >> john, i want to move to general chiarelli on this. general chiarelli, you spent a lot of time as ft. hood and as we mentioned you were vice chief of the staff at the army at the time of the massacre at ft. hood. what will this raised alert level really accomplish? >> well, of course it will be tougher to get on posts. it will take a little extra time. ft. hood is a large, large land mass and it's really difficult to do the kind of security when you have 40,000 soldiers. i would worry about some of the off-post establishments. as you know, martha, they are chalk full of soldiers on a saturday or sunday night. and that's got to be of concern also. but this will, in fact, get everybody looking a little bit harder, asking questions, and making it a little bit tougher to get on post every single day. >> and when you look at this, general chiarelli, which is
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virtually a target list that isis put out even though it was probably gleaned from social media, does the military, especially the families down there, get nervous about this? >> i think everybody gets a little nervous but i think you've also got to remember that those kind of lists are available just about anywhere. they publish them, yes, but military service is not something that one keeps secret. it's available just about anyplace, so i think you have to put it into perspective. but any time you have a directed threat like that, it does make people much, much more concerned. >> okay, thanks very much, general chiarelli and john miller for joining us. up next, crime and punishment, the nfl expected to weigh in on tom brady imminently. will he be the highest profile player ever suspended by the nfl? plus why it could be a big week for 2016 republicans. the new candidates who might reshape the race. back in just two minutes. might reshape the race. back in just two minutes.
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they need to suspend tom brady for a year, one day for the deflation, 364 days for everything else. once just once i would like to be able to stand up and give some low clap applause to a cheater who says, yeah, you caught me, i left a trail a mile wide. i'm honored that you recognized my cheating skill by only saying it was more probable than not that i knew about the cheating. i would stand and applaud that. >> keith olbermann coming down hard on tom brady for deflate-gate, but is the patriots star quarterback really going to get sidelined for a season? with the nfl expected to make an announcement about brady's fate imminently, let's bring in espn analyst jesse palmer and "usa today" columnist christine brennan.
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christine, i want to start with you. this is obviously very different from things we've been discussing, the serious personal issues like ray rice, but this does go to the integrity of the game so what should they do here? >> i think that the nfl will suspend tom brady. it could be as little as two games, it could be four. i don't see it being season long. i just don't see that. maybe six, but somewhere in that two-to-six range, that's what i see. he could actually appeal and maybe it would end up being four down to two games, something like that. i think there will be fines for the patriots, maybe a fine for tom brady. and i also think there could be a draft choice or two taken away from the patriots. the nfl is not pleased, not only with of course the cheating but also the lack of cooperation from not only tom brady but also the patriots. >> jamie, would that go far enough, or do you think that goes too far?
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jesse, sorry. jesse, can you hear me? >> sorry, you were asking me a question? i heard jamie and i wasn't sure. it's an interesting predicament. obviously i think the nfl is going to come down with some sort of punishment in this. i think the new england patriots will get fined. i actually expect that to be a hefty fine considering they may be viewed as repeat offenders. remember back in 2007 they were found guilty of stealing signals from the new york jets. i do agree that they could lose draft picks. when you read the wells investigation in that report, there's nothing conclusive. they just say that in general probability, tom brady had some general awareness that there was wrongdoing going on. it's a slippery slope if the nfl starts handing down fines or suspensions without concrete evidence. we've seen domestic abuse and there were video evidence. when people fail p.e.d. tests
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there's urine samples, blood samples, things of that nature, but there's nothing conclusive in this so far. the nfl needs to be careful when it comes to fines and suspensions. >> you were a quarterback. can you imagine an equipment manager doing anything to footballs without you knowing it? >> not without me knowing it. people do need to understand that the manipulation of footballs is widespread throughout the nfl. quarterbacks are so particular with the footballs they play with. some like them more inflated, some like them less inflated. but people at home have to understand on game day in the nfl, both teams don't play with the same football. each offense is afforded to bring their own footballs to the game. therefore, equipment staffs each and every week throughout the nfl are doctoring the footballs based on what their quarterback prefers. >> christine, if this wasn't tom brady would the nfl have already decided on this? >> actually either way i don't think that matters but i think he's going to be suspended. i think the nfl cares very much about this integrity issue and
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any player but certainly he is as high profile as they come. >> thanks to christine and jesse. coming up, the new conspiracy theory going viral. is martial law coming to texas? and next, bill clinton on the defense again over those clinton cash questions. will hillary pay the price? back in two minutes. over those clinton cash questions. will hillary pay the price? back in two minutes. g over those clinton cash questions. will hillary pay the price? back in two minutes. over those clinton cash questions. will hillary pay the price? back in two minutes. a over those clinton cash questions. will hillary pay the price? back in two minutes. g over those clinton cash questions. will hillary pay the price? back in two minutes. a over those clinton cash questions. will hillary pay the price? back in two minutes. in over those clinton cash questions. will hillary pay the price? back in two minutes. on a mission to find the perfect match. and the mom who gets to hear her daughter's heart beat once again. we're helping organizations transform the way they work so they can transform the lives of the people they serve. the taste of light and fit greek non fat yogurt gives you the power to
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millions in speaking fees while hillary runs? >> oh, yeah. i got to pay our bills. >> and three new republicans jumping in to 2016. mike huckabee. >> i am a candidate -- >> carly fiorina. >> this is a pivotal point for our nation. >> and ben carson. >> it's time for the people to rise up. >> of the three, ben carson takes the crown in our facebook centimeter with the most interactions around his presidential announcement. and the roundtable is here and we're starting off with a lightning round. our top headlines of the week, let's begin with gwen ifill, co-host and managing editor of pbs news hour. the headline of the week for you? >> diversity. on the republican side now we have marco rubio, a latino carly fiorina, a woman, ben carson, an african-american and that's not the biggest diversity. it's diversity of opinion, of the full range of republican
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debate and that's not what anybody expected to see on the republican side. >> rich lowry, headline of the week? >> that democrats don't seem to care whether their nominee is ethical or not, which is great news for hillary clinton. judging by the latest poles, the democratic party is of bashing the 1% and total indifference to the money grubbing of the clintons. >> and greta van susteren? from fox news. >> my headline is the world health organization said that the epicenter of ebola, liberia, has now ended its liberia problem. i think that's huge but look out. we got to worry about nepal and the monsoon season is coming and we got to worry about kohl ra there. >> jamelle bouie? >> the economy grew last month and if that continues this year and if it continues into 2016 we should expect in an election season that's pretty evenly matched with both sides -- you know, there's -- evenly matched, i already said that.
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both sides evenly matched. >> much more from the roundtable next, and coming up, is it military planning to take over texas, why some are saying yes this morning, but first, our powerhouse puzzler. here's the question. how many consecutive years have women served as treasurer of the united states? and for bonus points, name the current u.s. treasurer. right back with the answer. answer. when you're not confident your company's data is secure the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. we monitor network traffic worldwide, so we can see things others can't. mitigating risks across your business. leaving you free to focus on what matters most.
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and i think the current one is rosie rios. >> five years and i wrote the answer in very small ill legible print on a dollar bill. i assure you that's the correct answer. >> mine is a completely random guess, 7. i have no idea. it could be 70 or zero for all i know. >> i say 7 years and i have no idea who the treasurer is. >> well, number one, the answer is 66 years. the last male treasurer was in 1949. and the current treasurer, you should have all listened to gwen. rosie rios. >> thank you. >> the signature is on every dollar bill. we'll be back in a moment with that texas-sized conspiracy theory. a moment with that texas-sized conspiracy theory.
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now to a texas-sized conspiracy theory sparking headlines across the country, including this week in the "new york times." the theory, that an upcoming pentagon training exercise is actually part of a plan to impose martial law. to many it's far-fetched but not to some of the top politicians in the lone star state. here's abc's david wright. ♪ mamas tell all your babies don't mess with texas ♪ >> reporter: from willie nelson on down it's practically the slogan of the state. ♪ don't mess with texas ♪ >> reporter: that may explain the reaction to jade helm 15, a
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multi-state training exercise for u.s. special forces planned this summer for the southwest. talk show host alex jones among the many stirring up concerns on conservative websites and social media that jade helm is a trojan horse for a federal invasion, a dress rehearsal for martial law. >> this is in preparation for the financial collapse and maybe even obama not leaving office. i'm telling you this is so huge. >> reporter: never mind the pentagon's reassurance. to the contrary. >> is the u.s. military planning to overtake texas? >> no. we want to make sure that our guys are trained for combat overseas. >> reporter: at a town hall meeting in central texas, this lieutenant colonel got an earful. >> it's preparation for martial law? >> not a preparation for martial law. >> that's what you say. >> reporter: remember the alamo? texas does, only in this remake those wouldn't be santa ana
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troops march malling in the desert. texas politicians have added fuel to the fire by taking those concerns seriously. >> i understand the concern that's been raised by a lot of citizens about jade helm. i think part of the reason is we have seen for six years a federal government disrespecting the liberty of the citizens. >> reporter: last week texas governor greg abbott called up the texas state guard to monitor u.s. troops and protect the constitutional rights of texans, drawing this wise crack from jon stewart. >> oh, dear lord. in other ways texas funds could have been spent on actual threats like your infamous chain saw massacres. >> reporter: but in the lone star state, plenty of people are worried, now telling washington -- ♪ don't mess with texas ♪ >> reporter: david wright, abc news, new york. >> our thanks to david. ray talk show host alex jones who as david said has been one of the leading proponents of
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this career had agreed to join us this morning but he did not show up at our studio. let's bring back the roundtable to weigh in on this. this has real legs, this story, and it certainly had to do with greg abbott and ted cruz talking about it. rich? >> they're pandering to a vocal minority. i'm all in favor of a healthy distrust of the government but not paranoia. there are many threats to our liberty, the u.s. military isn't one of them. federal controlled texas was established in the mid 19th century by president polk. the idea that they're going to retake texas is nonsense. >> i would agree with that wholeheartedly but really, why did they talk about it? why did ted cruz or greg abbott talk about -- >> you're allowed to talk about whatever you like. free speech is a great thing but then there's this shouting fire in a crowded theatre idea which you're not allowed to do. then there's this idea that people on the internet and who
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can get instant soap boxes around the world can make things seem credible and that's where leadership kicks in. if you're a senator or a governor, it's your job to hose the fire down, not ignite it. >> greta, one of the things i was going to ask alex jones, you heard general chiarelli, you know the military installations across the country are raising their alert level. there seems to be an element of danger to this for the military if you start telling people they're about to take over. >> whatever happened to the telephone? why in the world isn't governor abbott speaking with the pentagon, the pentagon speaking with the governor? how we let things deteriorate in this country that everyone goes to the internet and goes basically wild. it's a lot because our leaders are not showing a whole lot of leadership and giving instruction to the american people. this was -- when i was on the air i got a million e-mails about this like that texas was somehow under siege or something. it was pretty crazy. the problem is i do fault our leaders. they're supposed to lead. they could have picked up the
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phone and headed this one off at the pass a long time ago but they don't. >> which leaders? >> the democrats, the republicans, the governors in the pentagon, the president and the hill. many of these problems that we have is because nobody is talking to anybody. >> you saw in the piece they tried to shut this down. >> this was long after we were deep into it. that's the problem. often many of these problems, they don't start talking until we're deep. they don't try to head things off at the pass. our leaders don't talk to each other enough so of course the citizens have wild imaginations as a consequence. >> jamelle? >> i think this could be stopped by talking, too. but judging by the reaction president obama explained that this was not a takeover of texas, do you think that some of these ordinary citizens would say oh, yeah we're going to trust obama. >> i don't think this started now. i think that this -- part of what rich was talking about which is healthy for the country but a lot of this has been going on for quite some time and it's because -- this has been going on decades, a declining amount of our leaders talking to each other and communicating
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effectively with the american people. >> jamelle? >> i both agree and i think this paranoia and conspiracy monerring would have happened regardless of any of that. a lot of folks have an inherit distrust of the federal government and of president obama in particular. i'm not sure how much you could have done to preempt or preclude this reaction. >> rich, are we going to see more of this? i think we're going to see more distrust as the election ramps up. >> we've always seen distrust on both sides. >> of the military? >> i don't see liberals worried about military takeovers. >> look at the left. they have the anti-vaccers, unscientific fears about nuclear power. during the bush administration someone wrote a book about how bush was preparing for a fascist takeover of this country. there's a distrust of government on both sides. it just takes different forms. >> i agree with him on that. >> okay. up next, that terror attack
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in texas sparking a debate over free speech, and later, as college students don their caps and gowns this weekend, we hear from the navy s.e.a.l. whose commencement address struck a chord across the country. s.e.a.l. whose commencement address struck a cord across the country. hord across the country. as potentially the first
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african-american first lady, i was also the focus of another set of questions and speculations, conversations sometimes rooted in the fears and misperceptions of others. was i too loud or too angry or too emasculating. or was i too soft, too much of a mom, not enough of a career woman. >> we'll take that up with the roundtable in just a moment, but let me start with you, gwen, and let's talk about hillary clinton staking out her position on immigration this week to the left, saying she would go even further with executive action than president obama has. >> if you look at what the clintons have been doing, she has been under fire not only because of e-mails and benghazi but because of the clinton foundation. what they thought they were
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going to do this week was have hillary and bill clinton in africa showing the good work of the clinton global initiative. there is much good work and have hillary in washington or nevada talking about substance. she talked last week about mass incarceration, about immigration, she's talked about gay marriage and gay rights. she's going to focus on the substance. they're going to focus on saying this is very unfair what's happened to us, we do good work. it didn't exactly work the way it was designed in part because bill clinton can't help himself and he always takes it one step farther than is helpful to his wife's campaign but her substance part was all there for all to see. you see candidates giving policy speeches and you can decide if you agree or disagree. >> but greta, she's challenging republicans who have a very tough balancing act here. let's think back to mitt romney and the self-deportation comments. >> first, my husband's a very strong supporter of governor mab martin o'malley who's not part of the race. we're all going to seize upon it and dissect it. i don't think it matters what
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anybody says right now. i don't think anyone at home is paying attention of who's running for president. we're interested in it. it's fascinating because we like to see how the sausage is made. what's going to matter more is how is the economy doing a year from now and it's going to matter whether they trust her or anybody else. i think that's what's going to matter. right now it's fascinating and we dissect it and take every sound bite and throw it up against everybody else. >> we are on a sunday morning talk show. it's kind of what we do here. >> it's fascinating. we dissect it. frankly, in my hometown of appleton, wisconsin, they may be watching but they're also figuring out mother's day. who's going to sit next to mother if mother is in a bad mood. or if mother is great. that's what i think. it's fascinating. >> my mother is never in a bad mood. >> who gets to sit next to mother. >> hillary clinton is staking -- is going to the left on immigration, but she's getting pushed from the left. you've got senator elizabeth warren and now new york city
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mayor bill de blasio who co-authored an op-ed calling for increased minimum wage, paid family leave, investigating in education, called how to revive the american dream and mayor de blasio is unveiling his version of a contract with america here in d.c. this week. what effect do you think this has on her? >> this gets back to something you were saying, greta. >> maybe that's obvious. maybe we just pointed it out. >> i don't think this is for the voters at home. it's very much for activists, people within the democratic party and i think it's signaling. warren and de blasio pushing clinton from the left, she will almost certainly adopt those positions both to signal potential competitors like governor o'malley that listen, i have the left lane covered, there's no room for you. to activists, she's not only saying i'm on your side but by publicly making these statements and commitments, if she is president in 2017 they now have a hook. they have a way to say, you owe us something and you need to do something about it. >> also at this point it really is an effort to look at raising
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money and you want to say the right thing so that the groups will contribute money to you because money, whether we like it or not, really matters. >> it's a brilliant success for the left because they don't really -- no offense to governor o'malley or others. they don't really have a viable challenger to her but they still moved her in their direction. just look on immigration, at the very least, everyone will agree that president obama pushed to the very outer limits of his legal authority on immigration and here you have hillary clinton saying she will go further. >> let's move on to bill clinton's comments. they don't really seem to be hurting her, but no apologies, i got to pay our bills and i just work here. >> bill has never gone away and he's back even stronger. >> here's the thing we should always, always remember about the clintons and we've been covering them for a long time and nobody is talking about it at mother's day but we are thinking about it. people have internalized the clintons perceived short comings.
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they knew things about bill clinton before he was elected and decided it was okay. they knew things about hillary clinton. so the poles, huge grain of salt. it's early and kind of silly even to be talking about them in terms of horse race but in terms of how these candidates are perceived and hillary clinton in particular, people have baked a lot of it into the cake. >> and the bill clinton comment, what's particularly dangerous for her, it shows a tone deafness. when she said to diane sawyer that the day they left the white house she was dead broke, literally probably true because they had been living in the white house and the governor's mansion before that and they didn't have many assets. it's like lebron james the day before he signed a multi-million dollar contract, technically dead broke but not about to be. people back in iowa who needs to understand her, she just wasn't dead broke and now you got bill saying he's got to pay the family's bills. >> makes it sound as though if they're not giving $500,000 speeches the lights are going to be turned off.
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>> i want to quickly in the short amount of time we have to move onto the republican race. three new candidates. you seem to think mike huckabee has a good chance. >> i don't think mike huckabee has a very good chance. i think he's a very interesting guy in part because he seems to represent this constituency in american politics that doesn't have a place in either party. we talked about viable third parties as being libertarians but there aren't that many people in the united states who are socially liberal and economically conservative. there are a lot of people in the country who endorse the welfare state. they like social security, medicare, help for their kids and elders and they're very traditional in their values. that's kind of mike huckabee's wheel house. it's unfortunate for him that that's not going to take him anywhere in terms of national politics but in terms of political analysis it's an interesting phenomenon. >> he won iowa in '08 and got the evangelical vote. he's got santorum trying to get the evangelical vote and
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governor bush at liberty university beginning to make inroads. that evangelical vote is getting split up. >> i want to hit two quick things here. the attack in texas this week and the question of free speech. you talked about pam geller who had this conference to paint cartoons of the prophet mohammed. you said she's a bomb thrower but only metaphorical, not a literal one. that's the difference between her and her enemies and between civilization and barberism. >> we live in a country where literally nothing is sacred. if we're going to accept in effect an assassin's veto we're going to say nothing is off limits except for depictions of mohammed. that is perverse. the purpose is to say we are not going to accept violent extremists setting the parameters of speech in this country. >> here's the problem. there's no one i know who denies that she had a first amendment right and all of them do. they had a first amendment right
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to do that, but with every right comes some sort of judgment. you have a first amendment right. the nazis did to march when 20% of the population was holocaust victims in 1977 or actually part of it. and they have a first amendment right. sometimes you use good judgment. what she was doing was mocking an entire religion of muslims. amir heckmaddie, who is in iran's prison, he's muslim. he served for the rest of us. there are 15,000 to 20,000 muslims in the military. we have to use good judgment about how we exercise that right. absolutely she had a first amendment right to do that. 100% behind her. i've been in court representing people with the first amendment with things i don't agree with because i believe in that right, but i believe sometimes you need to use better judgment. >> okay about those disagreements on the sunday show. thanks to everyone. that big court ruling against the government's domestic spy program after this from our abc stations.
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the whole program is not consistent with the fourth amendment. we find out today that the appeals court thinks it's not consistent with the statute, the patriot act. >> one day there will be an attack that's successful and the first question out of everyone's mouth is going to be why didn't we know about it. >> reaction to this week's court decision that struck a blow to the government's domestic spy program. a federal court ruling the nsa's collection of millions of american phone records is illegal.
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joining us now, senator richard burr, chair of the intelligence committee. thank you for joining us, senator burr. >> good to be with you, thank you, martha. >> i want to start, you think this bulk collection of all americans' phone records should continue. >> i do think it should continue for the simple reason it's very effective at keeping america safe. in addition to that we've had absolutely no incident of anybody's privacy being intruded on. let me just remind your listeners, we collect telephone numbers that are deidentified. we don't know whose they are. the only time we're interested in them is if we know that they have talked to a telephone number of a terrorist. if that happens, we have to go to court and advise a judge, looks at the evidence and gives us permission then to find out whose telephone number that is. it still does not allow us to look at any content of the conversation.
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>> certainly others feel very, very differently about this, senator burr. the usa freedom act is coming up for a house vote this week, expected to sail through. it stops the nsa collection of every americans' phone records and targets instead only those with a reasonable suspicion they're related to terrorism. why not back that? >> it's real simple. that turns us back to pre-9/11. we had the opportunity to do that even without a judge's order. we did it with a national security letter. it was time consuming. it was cumbersome, but that was the rules then. and what we looked at was the impact of 9/11 and the fact that we might have been able to stop 9/11 had we had bulk collection. again -- >> do you have any proof that would happen? do you absolutely think we could have done that had we had all these records? >> there's no absolute. i can only take the advice of
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those who were involved at the time and because of the connection we couldn't make, they suggested that if we had been able to bulk collect telephone numbers, we could have traced and connected that dot and caught al mihdhar who was in san diego. the reality is that the bulk collection does not give us any american's name. so we go further now with the fact that we've got to go to court. that's a presidential directive, before we can look at anybody from a standpoint of their identification and their telephone number, and if we had to go to content, i can assure you it would take another court order. i'm sure that the fbi in post texas -- >> senator burr, i want to move on in the minute or so we have left here to these warnings about isis within this country, and you heard those warnings and we had secretary johnson talk about that. how concerned are you and are we doing enough?
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>> let me just say that the men and women throughout the intelligence agency and through law enforcement are 24/7 on this. we've seen an uptick in social media. we've seen the target of military individuals. there was every reason to raise the alert. we can't stay at this alert level 24/7, 365 days a year, but it's important that we respond to any potential uptick in terrorism. the intent is there. there are individuals in this country that are under surveillance, but the reality is there's no specifics, just like garland wasn't specific, but we did know about the individual. we had no reason to suspect exactly what the attack might have been. >> okay, thank you so much for joining us this morning, senator burr. we'll be right back. enator burr. we'll be right back.
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it's commencement time when so many speakers are looking for just the right advice for graduates. this morning we shine our sunday spotlight on admiral william mcraven's surprising speech last year that went viral and is still resonating today. >> reporter: he's had one of the most remarkable military careers in recent history. taking on some of the toughest special operations missions, including the raid to take out the world's top terrorist. >> thank you. >> reporter: so imagine the response when this was the simple advice admiral william mcraven offered graduates last year at the university of texas. >> if you want to change the world, start off by making your bed. >> reporter: the speech became a youtube sensation.
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>> if you can't do the little things right, you'll never be able to do the big things right. >> 3 million hits, did you ever imagine? >> no. >> reporter: mcraven, while unfailingly humble, is often mentioned in the same breath as some of the greatest american military leaders, mcarthur and eisenhower. >> i was very fortunate as the understanding and appreciation for special operations became greater and greater at the national level that i rode this wave to where i ended up. i certainly would not put myself in the league with those other great leaders. >> it was a movie that inspired a young mcraven to join the s.e.a.l.s. >> i watched the movie "the green beret" with john wayne. it's a classic. >> take the platoon down! >> reporter: but he told us he has never watched the hollywood blockbuster, "zero dark 30" that immortalized his accomplishments.
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>> sir, the agency expert gave visual confirmation. >> you will forever be known as the man who planned the osama bin laden raid. >> i'm proud and honored to have been a part of it. but as i have told other folks, we had 11 other missions going on that night in afghanistan. this is what we do. >> reporter: in fact, mcraven never imagined he would have anything to do with bringing down bin laden after a nearly fatal parachuting accident left him bedridden with a shattered pelvis. >> for a navy s.e.a.l. to be in bed and somewhat hobbled, that had to be tough. >> it was because i thought at the time that my opportunity for commanding troops and being able to do something about the events of 9/11, i really thought my time was passed. >> reporter: instead, mcraven was summoned to the white house and on to lead those special operations forces. now he is taking on his next leadership challenge, heading back to where he gave that commencement speech, as
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chancellor of the university of texas system, overseeing some 214,000 students and another 90,000 faculty and staff, a small army in itself. >> i've been careful about using the terms but i look at the students, they're kind of my troops. my responsibility is to them. >> reporter: he is a popular choice for chancellor, but mcraven has already made a political splash since arriving in texas, taking unpopular stances on hot button campus issues. >> you oppose concealed carry on campus. >> i'm a big second amendment guy. i've got nine weapons, six swords and two tomahawks but my responsibility is to ensure that i'm providing the safest environment in which students can learn. >> reporter: the new job is a complicated one, but he remains grounded in the simple truths he shared with his students. >> face down the bullies, lift up the down troden and never ever give up. if you do these things, the next generation and the generations that follow will live in a world
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far better than the one we have today. >> in texas nobody comes up to me and says you're the guy that led the bin laden raid but they come up all the time and say you're the guy that gave the commencement speech. i'm happy to have that be my legacy. >> and forget the bin laden. >> and forget the rest of it. >> our thanks to admiral mcraven. that's all for us today. thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news tonight." and to all the moms out there, happy mother's day. h us. check out "world news tonight." and to all the moms out there, happy mother's day.
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. >> good morning, everyone. i'm carolyn