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>> building a better bay area, moving forward, finding solutions, this is abc 7 news. kristen: hi there. i am kristen sze. you are watching "getting answers," on abc 7. every day, we talk with experts about issues important to the bay area, and we get answers for you in real-time. today, we will look at the devastation after the 7.8 quake in turkiye and syria. could buildings here we get a quake of that magnitude? what should we do now to prepare? we speak with expert seismologists rothstein to get answers. and online learning, what do founders think about the ai resolution -- revolution? how will the advanced college admissions and work? our guest will talk about apps.
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but first, an errant weather balloon or nefarious spying device? whatever it was that flew over the u.s. last week and got shot down by the navy over the weekend is now the sourc escalated between and the u.s. joining us is san university professor david sloss . thank you for being here. prof. having me. kristen: you worked on non-nuclear proliferation. what do you think this is all about? doubt china approved sending a balloon the continental united states. my assumption is some lower
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level person made this decision. that is true for a couple of reasons. one, it is a clear violation of international law. two, that is saying, we do not want to do it because we will benefit from it, and it escalates tensions in a relationship. we do not want to be raising tensions in a relationship. my guess is some person in china is really getting chewed out about this at the moment, because the top level government officials operably were not happy about it. kristen: yeah, and of course we do not have any real proof yet, but it does seem rather obvious, like, they have satellites, we have satellites that are probably more sophisticated, and to send something you can see like that, knowing there would be a reaction, it does seem incredulous. prof. sloss: yeah.
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it is hard to me to understand what they could get from this balloon that they could not get otherwise. they are collecting information about each other all the time using spy satellites, and maybe there is something they could pick up from a balloon, but i do not know what that would be, because it does not seem to be much benefit for them. i will say come on the other hand, i am generally supportive of the biden administration's foreign policy, but i think it was a mistake for secretary blinken to cancel his trip to china. what was going on is precisely when we need diplomacy, we need diplomatic dialogue to make sure things don't escalate, so i hope that he will have that trip soon, and i hope there will be high-level dialogue between the united states and china to make sure that we put this behind us, and it does not end up becoming, you know, becoming an ongoing problem. kristen: mm-hmm.
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look, i don't want to get too tom clancy-ish about it, but some say this could be in attentional effort from someone inside each massive chinese bureaucracy who thought it would be a good idea to cancel and blinken to not come. could that work to escalate tensions, even though it is not seem like it is in both nation's interests? prof. sloss: yes, it is possible. as he said, the chinese government has a very large bureaucracy, and within that progress he, people do not always agree with each other. maybe this was an attempt by someone. this would, you know, prevent or sabotage an ongoing dialogue, but as i said, i think at top levels of government, they recognize that we have a competitive relationship in which we need to preserve areas of dialogue in order to lower the merger and make sure things don't get out of control, so i
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don't think it was president xi himself who approved that, but it may have been a deliberate choice by somebody lower down, i don't know. kristen: yeah. i was going to say on chinese social media, you see a lot of people saying, well, we have apologize. the u.s. is overreacting there there seems to be a patriotic fervor being whipped out, and that could benefit clinical players. the same thing could be said here to. my question is, does president xi and president biden, does either one of the benefit or come out of this in a better place? how did they have to handle this, if that is what they want? prof. sloss: um, i'm not sure either one of them comes out in a better place. i do worry that one of the motivations for shooting down the balloon was that biden thought he had to look tough in order to, you know, avoid criticism from the republicans. i think generally making a decision like that, we should be
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forward-looking rather than backward looking. we should be about the consequences. now, what seems like a pretty clear benefit from shooting it down was that we might get some valuable information about chinese technologies, but, you know, if the real rationale or one of the rationales for shooting it down was, oh, well, i've got to make sure to avoid criticism from the republicans. i understand why politicians do that, but that is not very help over the diplomatic relations with china. kristen: the rationale for doing it come of course of it was over our skies and that it was over our waters, territorial waters, when it was shut down. of course, if you do believe they were gathering intel or information, perhaps we do not want it to get to where it was ultimately supposed to go get i do want to ask you, how do the two countries de-escalate at this point? this comes as tensions are already high, there is the taiwan issue, the u.s. has
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negotiate a bases in the philippines. there is clearly a lot of tension there. what can be done? prof. sloss: well, i think we need high-level diplomatic dialogue. it would be helpful if china actually came clean. china's cleaning -- claiming, oh, this was purely accidental. it was not for surveillance offices -- purposes. i do not think anyone in the u.s. believes that. this was a surveillance mission. it would help if china actually was honest. maybe they will do that behind closed doors, i don't know. i do think we need high diplomatic dialogue, and i think that, you know, it won't take too long to put this behind us. the reality is, as far as i can tell, china did not really get any useful information from this mission. severe compromise of u.s.-national security. they did clearly violate international law. they violated u.s.
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. as others have pointed out, if the united states had sent a balloon over china like that, china probably would have shot it down right away. they would not have waited. so they do -- china does owe apology to the united states for this, but then we should graciously accept that apology and move on and look if we can have a more constructive dialogue and constructive relationship. because it is not an either side's interest to let this escalate and, you know, lead to greater conflict. kristen: real quickly, we have got to go, but the defense department says this apparently, this kind of intrusion happened three times during the trump administration. my question is, do you still think, if it was not captured on video and the public did not get wind of this, the two governments would have just maybe cap this quiet? prof. sloss: quite possibly. it was a surprise to me to learn is that happened under the trump
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administration. i do not know the back story behind that, but i don't thing -- if we had video like we do with this one, it would not have been kept quiet, right? we would have all known about it. so, you know, if it was not the video, it's quite possible it would have been dealt with quietly behind the scenes, and we never would have heard of it. kristen: all right, professor sloss, thank you so much. we really appreciate your insight in breaking this down for us. prof. sloss: all right. thank you. world headline, a deadly earthquake rocking turkey and syria. it could happen here. is the bay area? a seismologist joins us to help us prepare
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kristen: death toll is now more than 3400 after a powerful 7.8- magnitude earthquake rocked turkey and neighboring syria. both have declared a state of emergency after a scene of widespread devastation very strong aftershocks takedown already damaged buildings. this is a reminder that with flooding's and wildfires, the bay area is very much earthquake country, and we still need to pay attention to it and minimize our risk. joining us to discuss it is dr. ross stein, founder of the app temblor. thanks for coming off the --on the show. we don't talk about our quick this much. it is a most like they have been displaced by other types of disaster when you look at what happened in turkey, you gotta wonder, cannot kind of devastation, with collapsed buildings, happen here? dr. stein: well, certainly, with
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an earthquake as large as what we just saw in turkey, that part is known. i believe, and most engineers will tell you, california will fare much better, because, like turkey, we have very strict building codes, but unlike turkey, the enforcement is rather rigorous. the chance that we will build a building that will collapse on its occupants is much lower here. kristen: ok, so the enforcement is better, even though i know on the books, they have much more stringent engineering now. what about just in terms of preparedness here? dr. stein: well, we are very fortunate to have a robust early warning system, which will give people precious seconds to drop, cover, and hold on, and to get ready for the strong shaking. turkey has such a system, but it is only for istanbul, it is not in eastern turkey. i think this is a real bellwether moment for turkey to say, let's install this
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everywhere, and let's get serious about earthquake code enforcement. kristen: when we look at that video, can we talk a little about the rescuers' work? they are still getting aftershocks my think one of 7.7. how has that hampered the rescue effort? dr. stein: it is terrible. it is terrible structurally, it is terrible psychologically. every aftershock, for people who went through the main shock, just kind of relive that experience. and when you have them as occurred here, and aftershock almost as big as the main shock, 7.5 that occurred nine hours later, then everybody becomes aware that it is simply not over, and that is the truth. earthquakes do beget earthquakes. they tend to stress other faults toward failure, even though some faults will be inhibited from failing, and those now loaded faults are capable of producing large earthquakes.
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the other problem is aftershocks do not diet any particular time. they slowly decay in time, so when you feel like it is all over, it is not. kristen: look, um, you know, want to point out memorial stadium at cal, because that was recently rebuilt. hayward fault runs right through it. is that one and other biggies we think of capable of producing a 7.8? i cannot member the last time we had something that big. dr. stein: well, 1 we had a big one on the hayward fault, but it was 6.8, not a 7.8, so a 7.8 is 30 times larger than what we knew at the great san francisco earthquake, which was so damaging. so the hayward fault is an almost perfect example of the fault that erupted in turkey. they had about the same length, the same slip rate, and a
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similar history, and this our quick is a reminder, if even though you have had maybe high 6 's and 7's, along the hayward fault, historically, we cannot say to ourselves, "nothing larger will happen." kristen: i know temblor is your app that you developed to help people understand their personal risk. why is technical in the bay area? what comes to mind for me is, well, our homes are built on different kinds of soil. dr. stein: that is right, and soil makes a really big difference. thinking back toward the ferndale earthquake at cape mendocino, all of that was shaking and weak sediments along river basins and estuaries, so we know the story is not just, are you near a fault, although that is certainly appointed, the story is, what kind of -- important, the story is, what kind of grounder are you on? we have gold rush fill, really
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junk, hoax of ships, where san francisco just dumped sand. those are terrible soils! and we have a lot of buildings, a lot of the financial district is built on gold rush fill, the marina district. we have to recognize we have created some situations, which are unwise, and we need to remedy those as best we can and strengthen our abilities. kristen: all right, i just got a little nervous, as i am here on the embarcadero in san francisco. ross stein, better to known the truth and take preparations for it. thank you so much. dr. stein: glad to talk with you. kristen: abc 7 news is here to help you prepare for the next earthquake. check out our website for a full list of resources, including what to pack in your earthquake kit. visit abc7news.com/ preparenorcal. stay wit
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kristen: explosion in ai tool simulating humanlike everything from art to speech to love letters. it has really changed the landscape of education overnight. joining is like today is someone will understand help technology can revolutionize evolution, -- education, sal khan, founder of khan academy. great to have you on the show. sal: thanks for having me. kristen: it was a revolution, of course, when online started -- on my morning started, and khan academy was at the forefront of that, and then there was another revolution that happened during the pandemic, and now the ai technology revolution on education. it is a little more controversial, though. what do you think about it? do you have doubts? sal: well, i think the technology itself is neutral, but i think if we use it well, it could actually be really exciting and really powerful kid
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i think right out of the gate, when people just had unfettered access, students and teachers and parents have quickly discovered that you can use these large language models, like chat and a pt, to do things like write essays for you care have the education system and a bit of a panic. i think what we are going to see in the coming months and years is that it has more benefits than negatives. we can get these large language models to actually help you write an essay and get you to learn to be a better writer. it can have a socratic dialogue with you, it could help you write a story, we are exploring ways it can actually help tutor you in different subjects. i think come in the long arc of things, it is going to be a boon for education, not a curse. kristen: i want to explore that more, but in the meantime, as a parent, my fear is, u my kid going to use chatgpt to
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do all of his writing and research? what can we do to take this tool to do good for learning? sal: first of all, i would say you are not hurting your child if they learn to use these tools. you know, the same week that francisco public schools band chatgpt come another bay area ia -- ai company put out a job posting for a prompt engineer that pays $275,000 a year. a prompt to do there is a fancy word for someone who knows how to tell things like chatgpt what to do. so i think it is a good career move, good for an intel's future. it is pretty much, i think, in any career, 10 years in the future, 15 years in the future, you're going to be doing prompt engineering, regardless of what that career is. i think it is good for students to get exposed to this kind of thing. but at the same time, we want them to know how to write! kristen: yes! sal: as an educator, you want to see more proctored assignment,
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where you are not sending at home and potentially have an ai write it. what we are exploring at khan academy, ways we can explore these large language models but ethical and safe uses of the verses unfettered access, and some of those uses are ethical and safe, some of those aren't. hey, anything you can use this for, what will be productive? instead of "write the essay for me," let's write the essay together, and we can get these leg which models do any good writing prompt would do pit i'm not going to write the essay, but let's think of a thesis. is that really a thesis statement? maybe how to get a little tighter. it helps them become better writers faster, because they will get more feedback and quicker. kristen: is see. i can see that. how quickly before you incorporate what you're talking about into the khan academy curriculum? sal: khan academy is most known for math and science, but we definitely started going into the human of these and even things like reading cumber engine and writing. all i would tell you is --
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reading comprehension and writing. all i would tell you is we are taking a serious look at these technologies, and i would not be surprised if in the years ahead you see deep integration with these technologies in khan academy. i think there will be powerful use cases for teachers and parents, too, teachers help with lesson planning, parents who want to brush up on something or want advice, how do i get my kids to bed on time? [laughs] i think these things will be useful. kristen: believe me, i have already tried it. chatgpt, hello, i'm a parent of a blank-year-old write a nicely worded request or commanded for me. sal: you know, if you get it written in the form of a poem -- kristen: [laughs] sal: it is that much more fun. kristen: i was thinking rap. sal: even better. kristen: are you saying schools may be having his right, like
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the old blue books would be back? maybe one upside is there handwriting would get better. [laughs] they would learn how to write by hand again. some of the things you cannot be right now, right? sal: i think we will have more in class proctored writing assessments, but i think you will also have more at your own time, at your own pace, where you are able to use these types of technologies, too . it will walk you through an activity, it will take you three journey. i had my daughter use one of these large language models, and they were writing a story together, and at some point, my daughter wanted to talk to one of the characters. that sounds like science fiction! it is now possible! kristen: they can actually encourage creativity as well. that is neat. what does it mean for college admissions and the essays you might have to write? obviously, they are supposed to be very personal. can this thing do actually a very personal job, or could it actually hurt you if you rely on it too much? sal: you know, i hate to say it, but it can do a very good job at
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writing college essays, and, you know, it can give useful information. you can keep telling it -- i've tried the experiment. i pretend to be a student, trying to get it to write my essays, and it did. i said, hey, look, this is a really hard school to get into, and you have to make it a tearjerker, and the next iteration came out, and it was a tearjerker. i was like, "wow, this is a good essay." the same thing the varsity blues spotlight put a spotlight on many years ago, affluent kids have always been hiring coaches, and some of these coaches are ethical and will help you and give you feedback, but we know some of them are kind of writing the essays for the students. and so all this does is just make that kind of thing not cost $10,000 but essentially at everyone's fingertips. but i think that is healthy for college admissions to kind of deal with it, because they have gone test-optional. when you have gone test
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standardized optional, then you have to start rely on things like college essays, regulations. guess with these things are also good at? writing recommendations. i think they are going to have to take a much larger grain of salt on that kind of thing and probably have to do things that are more proctored or maybe go back to standardized testing a bit more. kristen: such an interesting way of looking at it, right? when khan academy cannot, it is kind of like -- came out, it is kind of like, hey, everybody can get a tutor, is an equity tool, and now you are saying, this can be that. do not fear it. sal, we are out of time. always great talking with you. do come back again soon. sal: thank you. kristen: take care. a reminder, you can get our live newscasts, breaking weather, and more, with the abc 7 bay area streaming tv app.
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kristen: thank you so much for joining us for "getting answers" tonight, the horrific images, thousands of buildings coming down in a catastrophic earthquake. the death toll in the thousands and growing tonight. the images coming in at this hour. the urgent search for any survivors. the magnitude 7.8 quake hitting in the middle of the night, as families were sleeping. thousands of apartment buildings and homes coming down across turkey and syria. the most powerful quake in that region in 100 years. victims trapped in the rubble tonight. rescue teams digging through metal and concrete. search teams begging for silence so they can listen for survivors. rescuers pulling an injured child from the rubble. dozens of aftershocks rocking the region tonight. the u.s. now among 45 countries pledging support. our marcus moore is in turkey tonight. here at home this

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