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>> john: today on "face the nation", clinton climbs and trump flunks. the trump train as the republican nominee tried to get his nominee back on track after he insulted the parents of an american hero. the troefsh of a new attack by veteran groups. >> when i was donald trump attack a gold star mother, i felt a sense of outrage. i would like to tell donald trump what it feels like. >> no apology for that, but trump tweeted he made a mistake when he claimed he saw a secret video of a cash pay out for iranian hostages and
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house speaker paul ryan, and john mccain, he took to a script. >> to make america great again, i support and endorse our speaker of the house, paul ryan. [ applause ] >> john: with candidate trump dropping in the polls, republicans are concerned he'll take the party down with him. we'll talk to republican tracker polls show despite a bump in support for hillary clinton, she's still got problems with americans trusting her honesty, as she offers another explanation for the use of her e-mail server and what director comey said >> i may have short circuited. i have acknowledged repeatedly using two e-mails accounts was
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but i do think having him say that my answers to the fbi were truthful, and then i should quickly add what i said was consistent with what i had said publicly. >> john: we'll have analysis on all the political moves and more on the payment to iran that has the white house on the defensive still ahead on "face the nation". good morning and welcome to "face the nation". donald trump's bad week help sizable lead in many polls, including the "washington post" abc news poll shows her ahead of trump 50 to 42%, and our cbs battleground tracker has hillary clinton up by 12 points in the key state of virginia over donald trump 49 to 37%. her running state, now governor and former senator from that state. in nevada it's tighter.
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arizona has been reliably republican in recent years, but donald trump is only up by two points. the state received a lot of attention this week due to trump's additional refusal to support john mccain in a tough primary. late friday, trump did endorse him, though. >> to john mccain's treeg, senator flake. you can not supporting donald trump at the moment, but pence. he try to convince you to support mr. trump? >> mike and i go way back. i have a lot of respect for him. he talked about the ticket. i certainly respect him. i told him i'm not ready to support trump. >> john: when he talked, what was the pitch? >> that donald trump is a different guy entirely than
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mike is a good guy, and i hope he has influence on donald trump. but i've yet to see donald trump change positions. he needs to change, and particularly change the tone and tenor of the debates to win the election in november. >> john: that's something we hear a lot from those supporting mr. trump that he's different in private than in public. >> if you could govern in private, i but you can't. i do have a problem with statements he's making particularly in arizona. the statements he made out of the gate about those crossing the border being rapists and what not. that doesn't sit well, and then to refer to a judge born in indiana as a mexican in a pejorative way. you can't expect to win arizona when you make statements like that, and you
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demographic needlessly. i just think he's got to change those positions. >> john: you also meng that he should apologize to the khan family, the parents of the american soldier who died. >> i've not with mike pence, but he does need to apologize. he'd be better to move po, as hillary clinton would be better to apologize about the e-mails and move on. and poci time doing that. >> john: are you, in your view, when he last talked you said you might endorse, you were waiting for things to change, and you say the positions haven't changed. are you beyond the point of no return, or could you still possibly endorse donald trump? >> i hope to support our nominee. it's increasingly difficult to see him make the changes he needs to make.
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and he has to have a more serious immigration policy rather than say build a wall and make mexico pay for it. his position with regard to nato and the security arrangement we have with european countries, that needs to change. the muslim ban seems to be walked back, but we're not sure where he is on that. there's a number of positions that need to change. >> john: would you transpartnership partnership. is that one you'd like changed? >> you bet. we've got to trade if we want economic growth. and tpp is fortunate for groekt, and geopoliticalically it's important. we had southeast asian companies to be in our trade orbit, and not just china. these are important things. it would be great if we could
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agreements. that's not the world today. these countries have choices and we're going to be left behind if we don't enter the multilateral agreements. >> john: trump supporters say if he were in office, he would be there to sign what paul ryan and republicans have put forward and he'd be ready to do it. why isn't that a good argument for his candacy. they have a willing partner in donald trump. >> that would be great, but i argue he can't get there. you can't go on and get 65 million votes. he's only received 14 million votes in the primary. to get to 14 or 60 or so, you've got to take more responsible positions with regard to policy. you also have to change the tone and tenor. if none of us on the republican side are pushing back and say it needs to change, i don't believe he will change. he has to change if he's going
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going to get the policy we need in the white house. >> john: you mentioned tone and temper. a lot of people bring up temperament. what does that mean to you in terms of donald trump's candidacy? >> when you have somebody who says what he said to this gold star family. when he made the statements with regard to hispanic americans. there are a number of other statements with regard to women. these things have to change. you can't go expect that you're going to be president of the united states when you make statements like that. that's why some of us, i believe, need to push back and say that we need more responsible campaign. we haven't seen it so far. >> john: you mentioned arizona and some of the effects of what mr. trump said on voters in that state. is there any chance that hillary clinton could win in
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so it's possible. hispanic population here is about 33%. the voting population of hispanics isn't as large, but it's growing. and the poll shows increased urgency among hispanics to vote. if they do, it will be a changed ballgame here. we realize that we have to have meaningful immigration reform. you can't just mexico paying for it and be taken seriously here. i think yes, he does have to change his positions and be a more serious candidate. >> john: senator jeff flake, thank you for ambiguous with us. >> thanks for having me. >> we're joined by senator tom cotton who is in arkansas at his family farm. welcome, senator. i wanted to sku first about this $400 million payment the
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you say it's a ransom. the administration says it's money iran wasoed for a dispute that goes back to 1979. was it a ransom or a flop. why does the difference matter? >> john, i said in january when the president announced he was paying $1.7 billion that that was a ransom payment, but we've learned in the last week $400 million of that payment was swiss >> frank:s, t -- swrisz francsings, and put in a cargo plane and flown to iran. one of the hostages said that they were delayed at the airport before they could take off, and they were told by officials at the time they couldn't take off until another plane landed.
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observer, the $400 million was, in fact, ransom. it doesn't party what barack obama says, it matters what ayatollah thinks and the terrorists think. and they all believe in their own words, this was a ransom payment. that means they'll take more american hostages which is what iran has done since january. >> john: so the policy increases what about legality. do you think the reason the money had to be sent that way is because you couldn't send aid wire strafr in place. do you think that's illegal here? >> well, lawyers disagree about whether the transfer of this cash was legal or illegal, but i think it was deeply unwise. the president said at a press conference this week that the united states doesn't pay ransom for the exact reason
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united states government acts like a drug cartel and take euro notes, the preferred currency for cartels around the world, and then they fly that in an unmarked airplane into iran the day the hostages are released, of course, it's a ransom, and encourages iran and other countrys to take more americans hostage, which is exactly what rie, >> iran has done, taken two more american hostages. >> john: can you do anything to stop that in the future? >> well, the $1.7 billion has already been paid in full, and hopefully the president won't pay them anything further. i've introduced legislation with others like bob corker, and others called countering
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they have a lot of nefarious activities. we have to recognize that iran is object a partner. the nuclear deal is flawed. they violated the terms of the deal, and according to the director of intelligence and his commanding general in the middle east, iran has gotten more aggressive since the deal. >> john: what would you hope donald trump if elected would do in >> what we need to do is to walk away from nuclear deal. fundamentally, the objection had at the time was not that iran was going to cheat on the deal, but they have been cheating. it still puts them on the path to a nuclear weapon in 10 to 15 years which the blink ofoon eye in the life of a nation. north korea entered a similar agreement, and 12 years later detonated their first nuclear device, and we live with the consequences.
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walk away from the deal which iran isn't upholding, and put sanctions in place, and force them to dismantle the program entirely or military force to destroy the program. >> john: iran announced they executed a scientist they believe help the the united states reveal the nuclear program. have you gotten more or less confident in his ability to handle the commander in chief him? >> well, john, i know the media is obsessed with donald trump. i'm not going to respond to every single thing that donald trump or hillary clinton says. what matters in the long term is not who won or lost in the campaign, but whether the american people are safe. you mentioned the iranian scientist executed. i'm not going to comment on
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in the e-mails on hillary clinton's private server there were conversations about this gentleman. that shows how reckless and careless her decision was to put that information a private server. her judgment is not suited to keep the country scaife. >> john: since donald trump is the nominee of the party, and you said help is on the way. when donald trump is in the office of the presidency, do you think he has the temperament to handle those decisions that a president makes? >> john, iechl confident the american people will elect donald trump, and america will be safer and stronger in the world. our streets will be safer and the country more prosperous. >> john: do you think the congress will help keep him in check? >> john, the congress mraips a central role in the constitutional structure.
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question the wisdom of keeping troops in south korea. jimmy carter wanted to withdraw troops from south korea, but the congress stopped that. and that's exactly the kind of thing that i will focus on doing in the future railroadless of what is president. the people of arkansas elected me to keep the country safe and make it prosus approximate. >> senator cotton, we thank
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>> john: an analysis of recent polls including our own, we're joined by cbs news director of elections, and editorial director at atlantic media. ron brownsteen, anthony, start with virginia. hillary clinton up 12. what's happening there. >> it's the commander in chief test, john. you were talking about it. what has happened is that has become the top criteria for
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the national polls this week. it's important, because number one, hillary clinton is leading on it. she's prepared to be commander in chief, and the majority are saying donald trump is not. what has happened is that is swaufrming all the -- swamping all the other metrics. even though she's doing poorly on measures like telling the truth and looking out for this is what the democrats were trying to do at the convention. they're saying donald trump is not prepared to be commander in chief. and it's succeeding. bounces come and go, but that's center stage. >> john: so it's a referendum on donald trump at the moment. that's what the president was trying to do when he said he's
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commander in chief or is've has that been with us for a while? >> the two biggest obstacles he faces in the race consistently in the "washington post" and ax*bs 61% of the country says he's not qualified to be president. and 60% say he's biased against women and minorities. we're all accustomed to, on higho as the state that encapsulates the country. but now it's diversity. 70% of the voters in virginia were white, and obama's largest victory was identsical. and we see in virginia the structure consolidating. three parts. donald trump is doing well among the white working class voters and has a big lead in virginia. but historic deficit among the growing number of non-white
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>> john: you mean donald trump only has one percent? >> he's historically underperforming on the college educate the white voters. mitt romney won them in a poll. and donald trump is losing among college educated white voters. why is that igsant? since 1952, no democrat has ever won college idicated white voters and they're the most likely to say >> john: and so goes the commonwealth, so goes the nation. what about other states you looked at? >> look at arizona. this is a reliably republican state. it has been a while since the democrats won it. trump is up only 2 points. and the larger picture is this tests the limits of the coalition of trump so far built. which is to say, if you go to arizona, 80% of hispanic
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motivated to vote in this election. so that is clear to make inroads in the upper midwest with white working class, traditionally democratic. they exist. but there's want a lot of wiggle room in doing that. if he has a bad week like here this week, you see some of the other states might start to shift a little bit towards territory. >> john: so, ron, you're saig he's doing poorly with hispanic, but encouraging them to get to the polls. what do you see in terms of the larger mass? >> if he has trouble with arizona, that's -- we have 11 states basically swing states at least since 2004 in modern
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buckets. one group of rust belt swing states and new hampshire is a swing state. and michigan, oeyeo, iowa, and pennsylvania. they're white, older and more blue collar. that is where donald trump focused and there's a path for him to 270 through there. and then the sun belt, virginia, north carolina, florida, southeast, colorado in the west. play. these states are younger, diverse, and in the white population, more white collar. that's the coalition that causes trouble for trump. he's losing by 12 in virginia. north carolina is on that list, they're not there. and right now-eventually the midwest and the rust belt he has to find votes. the poll watchers guide this
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shift. the republicans are drifting towards unsure and undecided which suggests they could return. >> john: so donald trump is losing something in his base. thanks to both of you. thanks to both of you. stay for the politics panel coming up. for now a break and back in a
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>> john: one other controversy this weekon the campaign. an event in northern virginia where there was a reaction to a cry be baby. >> i love babies. >> john: moments later. >> actually, i was only kidding. you can get the baby out of here. that's all right. don't worry. i think you believe me i love having a baby crying while i'm
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kiss babies, not kiss them off. trump cried foul saying he had been kidding. >> the press came out with headlines, trump throws baby out of arena. so dishonest. >> john: yesterday the "washington post" backed him up. a fact check noted that trump didn't dismiss them. the "washington post" she said i was never kicked out. they left the rbe it's the considerate thing to do and returned to hear the candidate with the baby calm and engijoying a pass fire. we've given trump many pinocchios but got this story
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>> john: welcome back to "face the nation". david is a columnist for the "washington post". and joins us now from colorado. david, i'd like to get you to put in context this $400 million payment to the united states to iran. senator cottonay ransom. how do you >> what president obama said in responding, in effect said because he announced the payment of the $400 million as part of an overall $1.7 billion that it couldn't be ransom. my own feeling is the fact that it was $400 million in
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the demand of the iranians as a sign they had gotten something. the optics are terrible. people felt that, ask although the presidency says it was their money, which is true, and in some way it was a good deal for the u.s. the optics look bad, and an issue the republicans will come back to. it shows the uneasiness about this deal in the eyes after it was concluded. >> john: do you think it's going to hostage taking? this idea of paying ransom, even if there is technicalities that the administration says that's not what it is, that is will encourage this behavior more? what's your assessment of that? >> there are additional americans who have been imprisoned since this payment. so it's possible. it's a hard thing to speculate about. because the president was firm
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hostages, i think that's a deterrent, and relative to many other countries and in xwruerp and the u.s. they've been careful about this. a lot of european countries do pay money. >> john: this morning, we learned the iranians publicly announced they executed a nuclear scientist who reportedly helped the united states uncover information about the iranian nuclear program. what does that tell you about the how does this affect the relations between the united states and iran? >> the announcement of this man was a sad and mysterious case. i wrote about it at the time. this was a nuclear scientist who disappeared in saudi arabia while on a visit supposedly. turned up in the united states saying that he he wanted to go back to iran.
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officials he was told what they call a virtual walkin coming in over the internet. he had left his family, wife and child in iran. he got lonely and unhappy and went back, said she had been pressured by the united states. i don't think it makes a difference in terms of the future. the u.s. has extensive intelligence resources devoted to iran. one reason the u.s. was confidence in signing the know so much about what's going on in the country because of spying and surveillance. >> john: i'd like to talk about russia for a moment. there's been back and forth about donald trump's position on russia. give us your take on what the u.s. relationship is with russia right now. i should also mention russia is finger in hacking scandal at the democratic committee, and what should voters think
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these candidates and that country. i think the obama administration is deeply frustrated. it hoped it would be able to find in russia a partner to sdofrl the nightmare war in syria. that hasn't happened. the u.s. continues in effect to leave the exit ramp open for vladimir putin to adopt more sensible policies. i think there is deep concern about russian hacking and meddling in the u process, the kind of intelligence operation that was characteristic of the cold war. it's strange and worrying to people now. generally, i hear from foreign leaders concern that in the u.s. election that the candidate donald trump says differentenings about russia than we've heard for years, and differentenings aboutinatea and nuclear deterrent. they try not to make comments to intervene in our election,
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i go concern about foreign leaders as they watch what's happening. >> john: do they think oox*ez inviting more freedom of movement from the russians? is that the nature of concern? >> i think the fear is that donald trump announces that he's a deal maker and might be willing to make geels that traditional lie have been outside the boundaries of the nato alliance and consensus of u.s. policy. foreigners don't like they're meddling. but the u.s. is the north star for the global economy. and trump says things that dim that north star, that guiding set of principles in a way that worries leaders. >> john: briefly, david, you mentioned that putin thinks that clinton shot first in terms of meddling in elections. what does that mean? >> putin feels that when hillary clinton was secretary
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moscow who were protesting the gains made by putin and his party, supporting dissenters in 2010 and 2011. he said at the time this is in effect a revolution and you're trying to destabilize our government. puetdin blamed her personally for her statements and intervention. in goes back a long ways. more of a guy willing to talk and someone to deal with more easily than hillary clinton.
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>> john: now for the politics panel, we're joined by u 0 a today usa bureau chief. and ron brownstein, and michael duffy, the editor of
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>> where are we this sunday. what's real and what's a shiny object? >> we've had a series of polls nationwide, and there's a movement towards the democrats and bad news for republicans. on the other hand, donald trump is the past 48 hours has shown a more disciplined campaign, and acknowledged he made a mistake seeing the he finally endorsed the speaker of the house. that seemed slow in coming. the question is, can he keep up that kind of campaign for three months or even a week. >> john: michael what is the nature -- the republicans have been worried before about donald trump. was there something different about this week? give us a sense of the nervousness about him? >> this is the week where donald trump iss and fitness
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central issue. he attacked a gold star family. and coming out of convention he should have been magnanimous. he was talking about that instead of talking about the economy. he had been given a good number for him. the growth had been less than one percent. thafrs a good topic for him. he wasn't talking about that. he was talking about the khan family. and the worst much it is, if yier in a having this argument with the country about fitness to be president, you're losing it. >> and has the trump can pain has said, the bar to change the election -- obviously the democrats are trying to get everybody is talk about fitness. but the trump can pain has said if he convinces people he's fit to be president that's all he has to do. >> in our poll this morning, 3
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becomes president. he might lose in arizona. he might lose in ohio. there's no confidence for him across his party in the polling. if this is sustains itself through labor day, that's a point at which they start to make the kleks and balances argument like they did in 1996. >> it's the idea that we've acknowledged our republican presidential candidate has no congress to be the check and the balance. it worked in 1996 for them, and i think they look at the numbers now and say if this continues through labor day, there might be something to do. >> you mentioned 60% in the "washington post" said 60% said he's want qualified to be president.
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and another advantage donald trump consistently has is he's more likely to bring change to washington. if he can stay on that terrain he's in a stronger position. but the underlying structure, virginia, in this race, donald trump has done well with blue collar workers. he's going to face the biggest deficit any republican has among non-white voters. he could lose 84 or 85% of them, more than we've seen modern times. the pivot in the race are the college educate the white voters, and more argue towards a smaller government. he's going to speak tomorrow on the economy, and he wraps himself in the republican traditional arguments about taxs and regulations. he may move back for college white men who is now where he's x*urnds performing. as long as the percentage of voterss think he's not
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divisive. those are the twin powers blocking the white house. >> john: can a candidate fix the temperament question in a campaign. hillary clinton, there's a question with her? how do you show trust in a campaign? can you show temperament? is there something that can be done? >> as long as the referendum is on them -- each of the candidates needs the referendum to be on the other guy. u structure. i remember in 1988, the speech that george h.w. bush made a difference. in 2012, the convention speech barack obama made or bill clinton made for barack obama made a difference. in these two conventions two people -- mr. khan at the democratic convention. but both the reality and the
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to it, that has crystallized, i think, concern about it. there will be twists and turns in the election. >> exactly. i spend a the well of time talking to hispanic operatives and voters. you hear from african-americans as well. maybe other candidates -- he will not be able to do unless every single day he goes out there and (speaking spanish) i'm sorry i did this. absent that it won't help. >> john: take a look at john mccain who had difficulty answering this and contributes to the question. take a look at parts of it. >> are you comfortable with donald trump possibly having control of the nuclear
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>> anyone who we choose to be commander in chief, the president of the united states, therefore can lead this country, and will lead in a responsible fashion if elected president of the country. that's the wayorski that our democratic system works. that's the way our government works. the american public know full well what the role of the therefore, i have the utmost respect. >> that wasn't exactly straight up question. senator cotton said he would be okay. and he added congress will be there as a check. what do you make of that? >> there are moments. this week, it wasn't just the content. donald trump says that the race is rigged. that raises another question
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judgment. and the campaign a lot of politicians about taxes and the trade system, and how the economy benefits. and trump put the actual voting and choosing the election on the table and says it's broken and corrupt. one of two things here. he's laying the predicate for his own failure, or he's setting the table for saying later that the illegitimate. this puts the nuclear codes or whatever senator mccain was talking b a set of areas on the table about temperament. is this the kind of person you want to have? so the transfer of power for 200 and some years, the longest, it's not a small thing. >> john: couldn't it be a turnout mechanism. the other side is trying everything is undermine me.
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chicanery by someone else. >> at every critical moment he chooses to narrow rather broaden. it's an argument that appeals to the alienated voerlts who believe they're cultural and economically marginalicized, and it's for the elite. if you believe, as i do, that the pivoted of the election are the white collar, white voters who normally vote republican, hillary clinton is abc and nbc. those kind of voters, and now talking about a rigged election is more evident that this is someone who is a little too erratic to put in the oval office. the trump theor sethey're going to turn out this massive non-voting, non-traditional voters, maybe they will, but they're looking at structural
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you need 60 to 65% of the voters. >> and coming out of the election, with the base of their electorate, could john mccain have looked for ruffle. >> and said i still hope to vote for donald trump. really? and now we're talking about all about the limit that the republicans face in looking at primary challenges. >> john: and 2018. viewers is he has a primary this month. he's facing a legitimate threat. one of eight senators who have a primary this month. one of them lost this week. it's an isolated case. ask that question of him and others in a month, and i suspect -- up until now, the biggest fissure in the republican party was barry
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announced in early saeptd. it has a lot of former eisenhower officials and big business leaders. it didn't have as many current elected officials expressing reluctance, even compareed to goldwater in '64. there was jacob jafitz. but a few republicans. what we're sighing now is a long list of john kasich, and cruz, and jeb bush. and that goes beyond -- again, if you are that swing suburban voter who usually votes republican, they're getting a consistent signal. i think mike bloomberg had an important speech. this may be the year to depart from the usual inclination. >> you mentioned something. one poll was in georgia where
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atlantic constitution poll by one point, and democrats haven't won georgia since 1992 when bill clinton woun it. in that goal, gary johnson is polling in double digits. only a couple states that happens. and that puts hillary clinton in reach because of the plug for the third party candidated, which is now her husbwo peot was in the race >> john: right now with arizona and george athese are states coming on in contention. they're going the other way. >> there are states clinton shouldn't be competitive. >> quickly, how can you compete in that many states if you're the trump campaign.
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like a long time. don't forget in some states, it's 46 days. i think minnesota. which means it's not 96 days. that's just really changes the fact this happened this week in mid-august. the olympics get underway and people go on vacation. he should have been uniting and broaden appeal to make referendum. on the challenge. >> hillary clinton's lead is largely dependent on voters who don't really like here or trust her. the ground is unstable underneath her. the vote of college whites who are so important to why trump is stuck in the low 40s. and a majority say they have unfavorable opinion of hillary clinton. it's a step too far.
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question. why is that a hard question? >> why did donald trump engage with a cel gold star family, an did hillary clinton have the practice and deliver an accurate and clear explanation of her treatment and handling of this e-mail question. instead, she had other chance this weekend and her answer was muddy and misleading. i don't understand why. donald trump. they didn't focus >> and it continues. economics is one, e-mail scandal is another and that frustrates so much. there's so much to use against her. i want to make one point. jax*unl we've got to go and be
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>> john: usually when there's a lot of news on the campaign trail there's a lot of material for the late night comics. this week no exception. >> i come to work every day wanting to start the show with something other than donald trump.
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words come out of his face. he says the election is rigged. you know if donald trump was a teenager, he'd turn the nintendo off the second he starts losing. >> speaking of hillary, this is the vogue editor and chief the campaign, and when not available, hillary turns to kim jong-un. >> this morning on cbs, paul manafort may have cracked. >> in the past for years. due support speaker paul ryan. >> i support him as the speenger, and i know i'll support him as a candidate for
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>> oh. >> it's funny because god i hope it's true. >> are you so certain that donald trump is destroying himself that you are avoiding public appearances that statements. >> great question. in my heart, i truly feel -- >> reminds me of something. look at this photo of trump eating a taco bowl. i look at that. now look. it's the same face in both pictures. look. that's trump's i'm about to eat face, which makes me really nervous about this picture. >> john: we'll be back in a moment. or when it's convenient. it's using state-of-the-art simulators to better prepare for any situation. it's giving offshore teams onshore support.
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