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. >> ts sund, two news making one-on-one interviews. exclusive secretary oftate john kerry otheailure to reach an agreement with iran. plus, new jersey governor chris christie. >> maybe the folks in washington, d.c. shod tune in thr tvs right now, see how it's done. >> is his landslide in new jersey the first to his esidential run and will he be the savior for a divided gop? plus, how obama care has some democts running scared >> i am sorry that they are in is situation based on assurances the got from me. >> theuestion of confidence in the president has the round table talking.
with us this morning, best selling authors all with new bos, joe scarborough, historian doris kerns goodwin, plus, donna edwards of maryland. and harry smith with his video essay on th meaning of gettysburg on the anniverry of lioln's celebrated speech. i'm david egory, a that ahead on ts edition of "meet the press"or sunday, novber 10th. announcer: from nbc news in washington, the world's longest running television program, this is "meet the pre." good sunday morning. deal, thr days of negotiations in geneva failed to producen agreement to freez iran nuclear proam in exchange for relief from crippling international sancons. although all ses pointedo progress, rouhani ts morng insisted his countryill not
give up the right to enrich uranium. that is the critical step in the pruction of nuclear weapons. prior rouhani's coents, i spoke exclusively to secretary of state john ker ments after t talks had ded. secretary kerr welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you. good to be wh you, david. >> the btom line goalere is to preve iran from producing or acquiring a nuclear bomb. you have said that in the interim you want aomplete halt on their weapons program. clearly, there's not a dl yet. they are not in a position givento that demand. is that a fr statement? >>no. i think it's a question, david, of working out the modalities by which it will be done, byhich it can beverified, the ways in which you have a set of guarantees that make absutely certain thathe goal of the esident, to make certain iran neve has a nucle weapon can
achieved. the first effort is to tryo achieveit, obvisly, acefully, and you tryo use an exhaust dipmacy in order t do that,ut the predent has taken no option off the table. >> it sounds like something broke down re, you were ver close to a deal. the rorting is the french thought it wasn' tough enough on the iranians, andou know the history. as the iaeli pri minister call rouhani a wolf in sheep's clothing, they doue play, pla for time whi they tryo win the confidence of the west and th can play games. is that what there's fear around the table theareoing now? >> no, that's not the fear around the table, i think a number of nationsanted to me sure we had the tou language necessary, the clari in the language cessary, to be absoluly certain that we were doing the job and not gnting
more or doing something sloppily that could wind up with a mistake. this is serious business and i think ery country came ere. this is e first time that the p-5 had come togethewith this kind of a seriouset of possible options in front oft, wi a new iranian goverent. remember that this has changed since the election. this is a new overture, and it has to be put to the test very, very carefully. so i think there was unity there, davidwith respect to getting it right. and we always said, president obama has been cstal clear. don't rush, we're not in a rh, we need toet the right deal, no deal is better than a bad deal. and we're certaiy adhering to that concept. >> let me pl you a comment that i think gets to the ultimate question what does it mean to get it right? what is the bottom line dend of t united states? the israeli ime minister benjamin netanyahu has been out
spoken aut this this week. he w on this program late last month, and ts is what he said about the prospect of a deal with iran. i want you to listen and i'll t your reaction on t other side. >> i think the pressure has to be maintained iran, even increased iran until it actually stops the nuclear program, that is, dismantles it. i think any partial deal could end up dissolving the sanctions. a lot of countries are just waiting for a signal to get rid of their sanctions rime. >> so a couple opoints there. you want them totop their weapons program. others, like the israeli prime minister saying, no, they've got to dismantle their inastructure before they get the kind of ecomic relief that is part of this deal. >> well, i'm not sure that the prime minister, who i have great respect for, knowsxactly what the amount or the termare going to be, because we haven't arrived them all yet.
that's what we're negotiating. d it is not a partial deal. let me make that crystal clear as i have tohe prime minister directly. it is a first step in an effort that will lock the program in where it is today, ifact, set it back while one negotiat the ll deal. and there will not be relaxation of the pressure. u know, nobody has talked about getting rid of the current architectu of sanctions. the pressure will remain. the will be, hopefully, if this is arrived at, a means of absoluly guaranteeing that while the negoation on the real end game takes place, iran's pgram is not going to contue, is not going to grow. it seems to me that israel is far safer if you make certain that iran nnot continue the ogram.
now, every day that we don't have it, they're continuing it. i think the american people, and most people in the world, nt the president of the united states wh the awesome power that we have to exhaust all the diplomat remedies before we resort to the use of military forcif we have to. that option is n off the table. thing is off the table, david. >> but here's the question. ifhe only reason they' comingo the table now is because they feel the econom pain of sanctions, it's not just the israelis, it's the saudi it's republicans in coress who have said -- if that'she only reason they're coming the tae, what's the rush? why not increa that economic pressure so you genot just a halt but actlly get a dismantlement of the aritecture which is the goal the presidt seeks? >> because the president believ, as i do, that the pressure existtoday, which is why they're willing to negotiate. i mean, look, i was there and i voted for these sanctions. we voted for theseanctions in order to bring arounto the negotiating table. now that they're there, you have
to act in some good faith in an effort to be able to mov towardthe goal you want to achieve. if, as their a of good faith, they freeze their program an allow us absolutely precedented access t inspection a do other things -- i'm not going to go into the list. but if they do the things we beeve is necessary so that we can guarantee we know what is happening anwe can move it back wle we negotiate the end game, it seems to me you've got to do mething that indicates your good faith. now, the presint has made it clear,e will not reduce or changehe overall core architecture of the oil sancons, banking sanctions. iran wilstill be under enormousressure precisely to complete the task. i think there is a lot of hy and an awful lot of speculation about what is going here when all that is happening is an effort through the sanctions
congress put in place to get negotiations when thos negotiations hopefully proce an actual result. that what we want to have happen. >> as america's chief diplomat, are you beg skeptical enough about a man who has been called a wo in sheep's clothing, who wrote a book in which healked about how they can ctinue work on their nuclear program wle theyain confidence of the west, basically played games with the west? are you beg skeptical enough? >> david, some of the most serious and capable expe people in our government who spent a lifetimeealing both with iran well as with nuclear weapons annuclear armament and proliferation are engaged in our negotiati. we are not blind, ani don't think we're stupid. i think we have a pretty strong sense of how to measure whether or not we are acting in the interests ofur country and of thglobe, and particulay of
ouallies, like israel and gulf states and oths in the region. we are absoluty determined that this uld be a good deal or the will be no deal. now, that's why it's hard. that why we didn't closehe deal here in the last couple of days. becae we are together, unified, pushing for things that weelieve provide the guarantees that rael and the rest of the wod demand here. but one thing is clearis that, you ow, we're not going into a full deal and giving away somethg. we're talking about stopping their program where it is wi enough guarantees to knothat it is, in fact, stopped where it is while we then negotiate the full measure of e deal with our allies, wi our friends, with all of the interested parties, advising athe table, consulting, and thr interests well represented. >> there is a broader criticism that goes beyond this that no doubt you've confronted in your
exteive travels throughout that region. let me sum it up this way. itmounts to this criticism that the president appears reluctant to exercise power on the wod stage. it's not just israelit's egypt, it'saudi arabia. there a feeling that the s. has abandoned critical friends in that region, in pt because you're moving towa a deal with iran which cou provide them tremdous economic reliefhen at the samtime critics would say their major client, syria, has tten a pass to murder thr own people as long as they don't use chemical weapons. so that all ofhis is amounting to this reluctance to really exercise u. power. that is my description of that criticism, and please respond to it. >> well, let me spond very direly to it, david. i couldn't disagree with it more. the president of the united states me his decision. he decided to use military for inyria. helso made a decision to respect the quests of many
members of congresto come to them. and guess what? when he did, it was the members of coness, as you know better th anybody, who boughtery significantly with the excepti of the foreign relations committeof the united states senate which tk the lead, but the house early indicated a very, very strong reluctance to engaged. the president, beforhe had to make a decision of wther or t he would use forceanyway, succeed in getting an rangement with russito remove the chemical weapons altogeer. that would never have happened, that deawould never have come about if the preside had not made his decision to use force. thpresident used force in libya. the president has been willing and madet clear that he is prepared to use forcwith respect to iran's apon, and he has deployed theorces and the apons necessary to achieve that goal if it has to be achieved. let me just finish. the president has continued
afghanistan. he has sought a securi reement in afghanian that is in the throes ofeing agreed on. it will continue american presence to complete theask in afghanistan. we can't let mytholo and politics start to cloud reality here. this president has made it clear. he's also the president who has prosecuted al qaeda with an intensity and terrorists genelly with an intensit unprecedted and way beyond the la administration. >> mr. secreta, final question before you go. you ga some comments in lit ofhe 50th anniversary the assassinion of president kennedy to nbc news at have now been widely broadcast and repoed on. and in those comments, youaid this. to this day, iave serious doubts that lee haey oswald acted ale. that cerinly would be surprising to a lot of people that those were ur views. would you care to elaborate?
>> no. i just hava point of view. and i'm not gointo get into that. it's not something that i think needs to be commted on and certainly not at this time. >> do you think the conspiracy theory is his involvemenwith russia a motivation from the soviet union or cubare valid at se level? >> david, i'm not going to go into it. it's inappropriate and i'm not going to do more than say it's a point of view that i have, b it's not ripe or worthy or apprriate for me to commt further. >> all right, mr. secretary. we thank you for yr time very much. >> thanks. joining me now, the rankin member of the senate forgn relations committee, bob corker of tenness. senator, it's good to have you here because the subjects iran, and e president of iran- >> there's no volume. >> -- saying this morning -- we might have some dio difficulties. senator, can y hear me okay? senator, are you able to hear me?
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we figured o our technical problems. joining me now is the nking member of the senate forgn relaons committee, senator bob corker of tennessee. goodorning. good morning. >> iran refuses to stop enrichinuranium, a critical step to making nuclear weapons. is this a netiation or is this actually a dead end? >> we'll see. the secuty council resolutions call for a cplete stoppage, so 'll see. i think the concerns that we have, david, many of us, is,
look, on these partial kinds o arrangemts, exactly the kind that we have in nortkorea, you begin this dance we' seeing right now, so unless u do the whole deal onhe front end, you, in essence, begin this series of steps that may well lead to iran getting to exactly the place th wish to get to while we relve sanctions. so therere a lot of concerns some of the same peoe that were involved in the netiations with north korea are inlved in these, and s you can imagine that congress that put these sanctns in place with the ainistration kicking and scaming all the way, pushingack against these sanctions, areery concerned that we're going to deal away the verage that we have where we finally have iran willing to sit down and talk about the issues >> so, senator, in the interim, there is going to be another meeting. these gotiations will continue on a freeze, just temporary step before u get to a real netiation. what are you and your colleaes going to do? do you think it's important to
actually impose more sanctio, to impose re economic pain on iran beforthinking about relieving those sanctions? >> well, you know, there is gog to be a banking markup this weewhere sanctions are going to be looked at. that meeting has been calledff by the demratic leadership. and senator kerry going to be coming up this week and briefing. but i do want to s, david, when youse semantics like freezing, iran is stl going to be enriching urani based on what we see. so when they say freeze,hat means they're not going to be gaining but they're still going to be riching, so there are a lot of concerns. are they going to ntinue buildi the facility in ira which produces plutonium? what are we going to do wi the enriched uranium on the grou there? so there a a lot of details to look at sternly before we decide we're mong ahead. i donow on both sides ofhe capital, on both sides of the aisle right now, people are really looking at what the next steps ought to be.
all of us want to see diplomacy, we do. we thank the secretary for the efforts he's puttingorth. that is the best way to resolve th issue. t we're also concerned about an administration that sms really rdy always to jump into tharms of folks and potentlly deal away some o the leveragee have. so we'll be watching this. we want toee a good outcome. >> do you predt more sanctions before theres any kind of deal with iran? >> i don't know. you know, new sations, david, would not kick in for several mohs, and i think you' already seen that the adnistration has dialed back the rheostat since rouhani's election on the exisng sanctions we have. they have a lot of ws to dial down these sanctio in different ways. i thinthis week sitting do and taing with secretary kerry ll be an important element of at we do. i do think, again, there a
concerns, eecially again, david, a partial agreent leads us down the same path tha we went down with rth korea. where just to get ople to act right as you move rough these things, you continue to redu sanctions. so, agn, a lot of concerns about thapproach. a lot of us want to see resolved diplomatically. we know the sancons got us here and we're worried we're dealing away our leverage. >> senator corr, we will be watcng. thank you very much. >> thank you. joininme now republican governor of new rsey, chris christie. governor, welcome back to "meet the press." congratulations on your reelection. >>hank you, david, very much. ppy to be back. a lot of speculation and a lot excitement througho the country with your reelection in termof what it means. here's the cover otime magazine. e elephant in the room is what's othe cover. even, "four more yearsr two more years?" as it's crossed out, and saying you're getting ready to run for the white house.
unless you want to announcen thehow this morning, and i suspect you don't. let me ask you this question. how do you think, even as governor of new jersey, thatou can afct, that you can impact threpublican party witthis reelection? >> i think the best way to impact my party is just to do my job in the same way at i've impaed my state. and i thk, david, what you saw from the electioresults on tuesday is pretty simple. people want the folks they elect to get the job don to do their job, get it done for the people who elt you. and that's why, you know, when you look at what happened on tuesday, is about what's happened over the last four years. 143,000 new private ctor jobs, cutting business taxes, controlling property taxes, reforming teacher tenure forhe first timen 100 years and reformg a pension and benets system to save $120 billion for the next 30 years for taxpayers. it's that kind of record that people were supporting on tuesday ght, and i'm thrilled to get their support, and i'm ready to getack to work. >> b whether you like it o not, you've en thrust into a
position where theace of the establisent wing of the party, ted cruz is the face of the conservative wing the party. who wins this argument? mittomney said you couldave the republican pty. does it need sing and are you the guy to save it? >> it was very nice of goverr romney. i watched him on your progm last week ani appreciate his ki words. i was a proud, pud supporter of governor romney and i consider mitt and ann very good friends. i' not focused on that, david. i'm focused on doing mjob in the statof nurchds. new rsey. that's what i ran for, that's what i want to do. i think what the electioshowed is if yowant to attract a majority of e hispanic vote, if you want to nearly triple ur african-american ters as a republican, whatou need to do is show up. you need to show up in tse places. david, i did a town hall in the city of irvington iny state aboua year and a half ago. i got 4.7% of e vote in irvington in 2009. went there, and therwere
more people inhe church where i did e town hall than voted for me in 2009 you go and you show up and you listen. and you start to make ur argument about your licies. and i ink the results of the elections show that that's the kind of engageme we need as republicans all across the country. to lisn and to show up in places where we haven'got a great amount of vote before. >> some ofhe skeptics would say you ran up a huge margin of victory,o, therefore, your marg among latinos and afrin-americans will be higher and then head toead, if it comes to this, against hilry clinton in new jerseshows you would trail hillary clinton even in your own state. do you view that and say she's formidable, that you wld be an underdog if it werto come to that? >> do yoknow how i view that, david? i go61% of the vote in t state of new jersey in a blue statthat had just reelecd barack obama a yr ago by 17 points. that was neay a 40-point turnaround between voting for democrat at the toof the
ticket a voting for a reblican. getting 51% of the hispanic vote, i'm very proud of that because i've worked hard with the hispanic community to let them see how our policies can help the families. i've worked hard with the african-american community. i've workehard with seniors and stents and all those people came out and ted in rge numbers for us otuesday. people can say whatever they want, but the numbers speak fo themselves. i'm proud of it and it's gng toive me a mandate to back to the work for the peoplef new jersey and finh the job. >> here's e question. are you a moderate or a conservative? re's how the blog infirst read" scribed that criticism. they write this. if christie does run for president,his is exactly the line of attack his republican rivalsill pursue. th guy is not one of us. he's from new rsey. his ste has legalized gay marriage. he's eanded medicaid and he's expressed some gun control and pro-immigration reform views. >> what's the question? >> are you a moderate or a
conservative? >> david, listen. i don't get into tse labels. that's the washington, d.c. game, and what all those m and womedown there play. lo at my record. we're spending ls today in 2014 fiscal year tn we did in 2008 ireal dollars. we've cut business taxes by $2.3 billn. 143,000 new private sector jobs. reformed teacher tenure put accountality in the classroo for the rst time in 100 years and reformed a pension and benefits system d retirement pension in new jersey to save $120 billion for the taxpaye over the next 30 years. judge me by my record. that i'm vy, very comfortable with. all the labe? that's forhe folks in washington, d.c., d obviously they love playing that game, but the people of america aren intereed in that game. i think given the approval rangs in washington, they've shown that. >> yet the wall streetournal about your ecomic record concluded this inn editorial on wednesday.
it's the biggest disappointment, the state jobless te is still 8.5%, among the 10 highe in the untry. it's true henherited a mess, but mr. christ will need a new reform agendin 2014 to impress national gop voters in 2016. >> we're going to ctinue to do the job we've done already, david. we brought unemployment down by half, we created43,000 private sector jobs in a state i do admit was an absole mess. the highest taxed ste in amera when i got there and we've improved t situation. i never said the j was done. if the job was done, i wouldn't run for a second term. why bother? i would just ride off into the sunset. we have a t of work still to do and we're going to continue to do it. that why i asked for a second term a four more years, to continue to control spending, lower taxes, and continue to improve economic opportuty in our state. that exactly what i'm going to do. >> on obama ca, the president apologized about the promise that wasn't kept with the individualarket. do you think obama caris
doom? do you think the rublican party has an obligion to make it work at this point? >> listen, i think obama car was a mistake. i've said that right frothe beginning. i thk it's a failed poli. that's why we did not institute state-based exchanges, and you can see exactly why when you see the disaer that's happening right now. e fact of the matters, the president didn't tell folks the truth about what was going to happen with their own privat insurance policies. and what i urgedim to do for e last two weeks whei've been on the campaign trail is tell people the truth. that's thehing they expect, and i think that's whye've gotten theupport we've gotten in new jersey. whether it's good news or bad news, i tell folks in new jersey the hard truth they need to ar. even wn they disagree withe, david, they've come ound to support me because they say at least this guy is looking us i the e and telling us the truth. i think the president failed that tes unfortunately, on obama care because that' unfortune for the country. but i never have favored obama
re. it's a faid policy. we all kw that, and the fact is the president needs to own up to it and tell folkshe truth. >> all right, governor chris christie. a lot mo to come from you, i'm sure, ase move forward. we'll be watching you closely there in new jersey and beyond. thank you for your time this morning. i appreciate it. >> david, thanksor having me on. appreciate it. and ming up here, president obama's apology over his obama care promi. is it enough? our roundtable joins me. joe scarborough, dor kearns goodwin, mark halperinnd congresswoman doa edwards. plus har smith with a "meet the pres video essay as we approach the anniversary of a specl moment in american histy. we're backfter a short break. when we made ourommitment to the gulf, bpad two big goals: help the gulf recover and learn from what ppened so we could bear energy company.
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ris christie and he future of t political party. joe, your book is cong out at an ide time because the republican par is looking to the future. do ey see chris christie in th centerf it? >> i don't know if they do or notbut this weekhey've been saying are we chris christie republicans or cuccinelli republica? we have to hav both sides tether. the day after theelection, we were saying, who has the best footforward? we have to have the ted cruz wingf the party and the edwards part ofhe party. there is a reason they won, and there is a reason they won against michael do you caulkuka that's because ted cruz was under the big te.
you're eher fiscally conservative or yore a meer of the tea party and you're o idealogically driven. thiis not a kum ba ya talk, this is about winning. this is about how nick sabin winsfootball. >> thiss really the thesiof your book and we'll foson the book in a little bit. let broaden this out. mark lperin, this is the fight in e two wings of the republican rty. >> it's a hge fight and the parties have to sort it ou it has to be done by leaders. it can't be doney cable tv or twitter. chris christie is someone who is magical in the way politicians can be magical. people like having him on tv, he's a goodtalker. he wo joe said winning is what really matters. he loves to win. he's going to take over the
republican association and see ife can win the. and he nts to be a leader to change the par. you can't say that about everybody else peoe are talking about for '16. >> the man i just lived with, theodore roosevelt, was in a milar position. maybe a differentind of idealogy thanis par at the time. through the force of his personality, he dragged the repubcan party to deal wh the issues that were created by the industrial age. simar in a certain way to some ofhe traits that chris christie has. he was a fighter, he was blunt, he had energy, he had a sense of knowng how to aress compx sues and make them very simple, speaksoftly and carry a big stick, you know, special interests. square deal. hat's kind of the w you got to do it but you haveto say to your own party -- he would say to e lerublican party,if you don't come with me on these issues, the republican party is goi to be dead. >> meanwhile, congresswoman, as ch as youight like tese
fissures in the republan party, democrats are dealing with health care and headlines that struck me or the weekend, "a whi housen crisis mode but some allied prod for more action." inhe column this morning he writes e following, a president famous for his unflappabity, he is now stggling to squa assurces that he on top of the problems. >> first ofall, i want to throw cold water on top of t chris christie ing. he won with 80% of the vote, so i'm not really sure how much it says about what need to happen nationally. then with health care, you know, the psident hasdmitted we got to get right. got to get that webse going, got to get people signed up and deliverealth care, but you knowwhat? republicans in cngress and republican governors have t op standing in the way, and that'shat they've been doing. >> in what way? it's --
>> not implementing medicai medical expansion. >> know theovernment said it wast kathleen sebelius' job to ke the website run rig because they're not i.t. experts. you can't blame them for this bched launch. this botchedaunch is a self-inflicted wound by the presiden it shows just how disconnected he's been, and he's undercut his best arments for having a progressive, engaged federal government and i think we're going to s not only is he goingo continue to have i.t. problems on the websi, he'slso going to continue to have problems as we roll this out and we findut there are winners and losers in bama care. hat's not a shock to us, but the president has been promising for four years we were goi to get 31 million people on theew rolls andveryone is going to be happy. >> we're not even 30 days into the implementation yet. i know republins want to ep-six this thing but it'snot going tohappen.
the preside will get this right. >> the article that tal about sticker shock, i don't think t republicans are running the editorial ge of the l.a. times. you're alsotalking about the fact that the president made promises that ended up just not being tre. at was not tedcruz's fault. what's sad to me is that for two weeks on one hand the democrats are saying, hooray, the republicans scred up the vernment shutdown, right, it's go for us. n the republicans are saying, oray, the presidentcrewed up the rollout of obam car the probl is people were hurt both instans. people were hurt by the vernment shutdown, they're hurt by the rollout. what's happing to our country when we're cheering for the other side? the problem is the presidt did not tell the truth. >> here's whate told chuck todd about that broken promise, his first rl apology for it. >> i am sorry that they are
finding themselves this situation based on assurances they got from me. we'veot to work hdo make sure that they know we hear them and that we're going to do everythi we can to dal with folks who fnd themsels in a tough position as a nsequence of this. >> ma halperin, is that enough? >> i try n to be hyperlic and try not to jud things after 30 days. i think the president's term is in the balance her not just fixing the website and giving peopl understanding of what this program is supposed to do. loer cost, expand coverage, ke our health care system more ratial than it was. i think the credibilityof his entire presidency is on the line and the ability t work wh republicans. it seems to me the president will be dealng with the republican house for the balance of histerm. a if he cannot lower t temperature on healh care, if he cannot find a wayo work together with the other party in plces on health are, i think this term is going to be very tough. here's a question that i ve. we're focuse on the politics of it, the lbility.
we know there will be a big issue in 2014. people i talk to, my viewers out there, ithink, are also asking this. hat happens if they don't meet the goals? what happens i the website does not get operational at some poin what happens to the ultimate goal ofelping people that are suppos to behelped? is that question being answered? >> i think that's a legimate question, and i think what you heard from the president is him saying, number one, it was my ult and peopleelied it. but number tw we ha an obligation to get this right not just because of the politicsut preciselyecause otherwise people fall through the cracks and they don have health care. and i think he has pressed that as a legitimate concern. i think he said to usnd to the american pele that he wants to get this right, and you know what? in my state i know that we have to for 450,000 people who don't have health care. >> the positive news coming out of th is the fact that were going to have to gethis right. the president is going to have to go to congress and he's going to have to work witrepublicans and democrats ale. the fact is, andavid nations
was on our show two weeks ago and he putt well. this is an overreach, he said the president overreached not just politally but he overreached on substance as ell. he tried to do too much with just democrats. we didn't even get >> don't you think republicans have an obligation to work with the president? >> yes, they certainly do. >> and they haven't been doing that. >> i try n to b partisan, i really try not t and ask republans, they will tell you a long list of republicans on catolill will tell you i you can -- i succeed in not being partisan. e president made a decision in 2009 he was going to ram this down the republicans' throat. he was gng to do i where he didn'tet a single republican vote. he couldn't even get conservative democrats -- if you'retalking about social security, ask dor will tell you this, if you're talking about medicare, if you're talking about any sweeping new pn that's going to transform
things, you need both parties iolved. >> with remaining time, i want to get toomething else thas comeup this morning and you heard it from thesecretary of state. this is news, thiis deeloping, but a little bit of history hereas we approach the 50th anniversary of the assaination of president kennedy. you heard secretary kerry say he does not think lee harvey oswa acted alon this was the hdline in the "new yk times" after th warren report was issued, and the real focus here was that he acted alon that was the conclion. it was an interview initial that secretary kerry gave with my colleague tom broaw for a documentar about the ssassination. we'll play a prtion ofhat. to this day i have serious doubts that lee harvey oswald acd alone. i certainly have dubts at h was motivatedy himsel i'm not sure if anybody elseas involve i don't go down th roawith spect to the grassy oll
theory and all that. but i ha serious questions about whether they got to the botom of lee harvey oswald's time and influence from cuba and russia. >> doris? striking? >> it isstunning, actually. the interesting thing is i think it's hard for some peopleto thk he acted alone because you want to believe there was so more meaning tohe act. when something is random like that, i thi that's why so many people search for smething that must have been bigger. i remember my hband was talking to bobby kennedy in 1966, and he hardly eve said anything,y husband bei richard goodwin, but all of a suddenhe blurted o like senator kerry, if he didn't a one, it was probably the mafia. >> bobby said that. >> bobby kennedy, yeah. that's where theconspiracy comes in, but it fun to hear him say, without evidence. we like them to speak their minds. >> we're goingo co back more
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noiable in general elections. you heard chris chrise say this morning, it has to be a strategy th's about wiing. >> has to be about winning. >> morthan the argument. >> more than the argument and it can't just bebout idealogical indulgences. we can go through so many senate races inhe past two elections and w time and time again have elected peoe that were amatrs, that weren't ready for prime time, that everybody knew were going to lose the general electns. it can't be about petty resentments anymore, we have to think bigger,e have to come up with a bigr agenda like reagan did, like i did, like we did in '94 when we got elected and took back the majority for the first time in the generation. t there also has to be an understanding that amicans are conservative wth a small c. ey want someone whis idlogically conseative but also moderate temperameally. ike washat way, reaganas that way. there was a reason we used to
win 48tatelandslides. >> is the argument just about comprome, is it just about moderation or is it out seeing the political reality that amicans at some vel want government to pl a large enough rle to solve big probles? >> right, and it'sot about compromise. it's not even about idealogical moderation. it is, though, about political moderation. understanding that you'veot to be relevant to the center of america. repubcans -- people forget this we usedto be the part to beat. every four years, democrats would ll their hair out because they knew we were going to figure out how toeach the middle of america. nowduring the cold war, weid that beuse people thght we were the strongest par to do that. during george w. sh's reelection in 04 when demoats were sure they had him defeated. americans trusted george bush re. they though he was at the iddle of america more. we lost that. we lt that in 2008, we lost it
in 2012, and i say this to my very conservative friends. we've got to figureout a way to move forward together or else 're going to have hillary clint for twoterms, and you're going to he barack obama and hillarclinton icking supreme courtustices for six yrs and shaping the way at our fedal government is run. that will transform government for 50 years. we've got to unite. >> the nominating wing of the party, which is theea party phase right now, it is ted cruz right now he gets he -- >>hat's not the nominating wing of the arty. those are peop that -- those sort of candidates we had in 2012, yousee it all the time. they come out eay on. e media loves to talk about them f a year and a half. they go out anddo pretty well in iowa, they do pretty well in new ampshire, ask thnd then whee snow startso fade away in iowa, t candidates sta to fade away. th turn south and go back to the midst and they never n.
we've been battered for the last ye and half. forget their dealogy, they're political amateurs. i have some good frien that were at the center of this shutdown strategy. i disagreed with it not because of idealogy, just because it was dumb tactics. as i said to a good friendfrom texas, i sa, that's like running up the middle in 4th and 31 because y think it makes you look like mre of a man. no, you're going to lose. nt the ball. >> the books "the rig th" by joe scarborough. thanyou so much for speakering with . oming up here, a sacred ment in history. harry smith with the meaning of lincoln's speech at gettysburg coming up geoff: i'm the kind of guy who doesn't like being sold to. to feel likeomeone is the s giving ma sales pitch, especially when it comesto . you want a broker you can trust. to feel likeomeone is the s giving ma sales pitch, a lot of guys at the other firms seemed more fosed on selling than their cents.
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gettysburg address somewhere ound here, probly rightver thre. of lincoln and the speech, the daily cleveland herald said he should n have said less. we do not believe anyother man inhe same number of wrds could have said more. ttysburg. a bruta three-day battle of incomprehensible carnage. until gettysburg, robert e. lee thoht his army was invincible. when president lincoln spoke here fve months later, the war's outcome wasnything but rtain. "four scorend seven years ago, our fathers brough forth on this continent a new nation conceived libey and dedicated to the proposition that all men are creedequal." the gettysburg address is no so much apeech but a prayer, a reaffiation of faith. now we are engaged in a great civil r, testing whether that naon orny nation so
conceived a so dedicated can long dure. incoln was speakg to all americans, but his remarks had even greater meaning for africanmericans. scott hancoc is an historian at gettysburg college. >> i thinkor african-americans, the getsburg address becomes more important over time. african-americanshen and since, they understood equality and freedom to be linked and to n just be legal freedom but that it meant the whole ball of wax. >> the emancipation pobable cause -- proclamation had just been signed that january. ncoln had doubled down on the war for independence. th war had comeown on his oul. lincoln said, the wod will little note nor longemember what we say here, but it can never forg wh they did here. president linln promised ther
is sanctity of the people who died. we have dedicated that field as the final resting place for those who gave their looifives e nation might live. andincoln declares quite plainly that the dead left t living way greith a great rponsibili responsibili. that fm the dead we give increased motivation for those that gave us that moivation. that we resolve th thesedead shall nt have died in van, that this nation under god ould have a new bir under freedo. >> lioln is giving rhetoric but he's living the reality of it as our americans then, wat the cost is of notaving eedom equality. we can use things like e gettysburg address and the civil war, what happens here in the battle, to understand what's involve what we may be called to do at some point and ask the qustion, are we willing to do that? what are we willing to do to
chieve freedom andequaly? >> a new burst of freedom. rink on is invoki a kind of resurrection. is praying thathe war that broke the country in two, a war thatill leave more than a half millionmericans dead is not the end of us bu a n binning, that this nation under god shall have a new birth of freedom and thathe government of thepeople, by the people, for the peopl shall not perish from the eart it is a prayer we stillpray. for "meet the press," i'm rry smi. >> a, ris, you arestill struck about how meaningful the speech was at the time when you reallsit back and think about it. >> , there's two thingsabout i one is that heave a story our country and a meaning to that war that was understood by the peopleat the time. but more portantly, even, he set a mxim for what a free society should be. think of it,t that time there
was stilllaves in the south, blacks in t north couldn't be onjuries, couldn't intermarr women couldn't vote. he's saying when u have a government f the people, b the peple, this is your stanrd. you're never gng to reach it but you have to keep journeying and we're still on that journey today. >> the books are intores now. thank you all for being here. that'all for today. we'll be back ne wek. in it's sunday, it's "meetthe press." people go to a mattress store and essentially the just get sold mething.
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