tv Matter of Fact With Soledad O Brien NBC December 8, 2019 5:00am-5:29am PST
>> right now on matter of fact -- from broke to a bestseller. >> i never have to stress over how much milk i'm putting into my coffee. >> how this single mom wrote her way out of the homeless shelter. plus -- soledad: the face of daca has become mexicans and central americans. why have asians really been left out of that conversation? ali: we are a lot to blame here >> is it time for undocumented asian immigrants to dream bigger or is it too late? and. posts and politics. new fears about facebook, is your social m fd helping or hurting democracy? soledad: i'm soledad o'brien. welcome to mtes to separating mark zuckerberg this week says'd
misleading political ads from facebook's many platforms. zuckerberg says, it's not his business to censor news. adding to the controversy, youtube which is owned by google faced criticism of political bias when it removed 300 ads from president trump's re-election campaign from its website. the company hasn't said why the ads were pulled. and twitter says it's banning all political ads -- a move that might sound altruistic but critics say could hurt start up campaigns trying to reach new voters. the decision by individual companies is only part of a broader debate. is social media healthy for democracy? professor jonathan nagler teaches politics at nyu. he's also co-director of the university's center for social media and politics. he joins us from new york. so nice to have you, sir. so much to dig into. i'm curious what you think about facebook opposition, which is basically i'm not going to censor political ads. that's kind of the gist of what zuckerberg was saying. mr. nagler: i think the upside of their position ist
of us don't like the idea of a private company deciding what's fit for consumption by the public. so that's the good part of it. the downside, obviously, is what's going to happen in terms of a lot of information being displayed on facebook that might not exactly be truthful. and so what we what a lot of us would like to see is if facebook would work very hard to just let people know, well, who is the who, who is the author of the information, who provided this information? the world of running ads is not new. what's new is the idea that anyone can post content. soledad: yes. so that kind of brings you into the question of is that. what's the impact on democracy when people who are posting can change the tenor of a conversation? what are you looking for? mr. nagler: we actually tend to f eus less on the ads than on mass public, which is which is
quite difft.e're trying to find out is, does that influence their beliefs, their attitudes about politics, what they believe about positions of candidates, what they believe about truthfulness of candidates. it's important to realize the vast majority of content on social media and the vast majority of news stories shared are by reputable news sources. but there is some tiny fraction of the news that share. that's not by reputable news sources. and that is a cause of concern. soledad: yeah. and even that tiny fraction, if you're looking at bots that have a very targeted and intentional strategy, it could be a tiny fraction, but they're all going the same direction arounr decra, thatsi influencing the tenor of a conversation that might encourage people to do something to behavy, maybe not o vote.
mr. nagler: right. i mean, that is the problem that you could have. that is one of the problems that you could have foreign actors producing information that goes online. it doesn't look like it comes from or it doesn't look as if it comes from foreign actors. you know, when the voice of america broadcasts, you know, it's the voice of america. when russian bots post things on social media, they don't announce that they're russian bots. and so that that becomes problematic. soledad: what do you think ultimately is the impact? i mean, it actually makes me anxious to have this conversation. that doesn't happen very often. but i don't think anybody i don't think it was media has prepared for 2020. i don't think the populace even understands what's going to be coming across the transom in 2020. i think politicians really don't understand how nasty it's going to get in 2020. am i wrong? mr. nagler: well, i thine cebo y preparing for 2020. i think they're working hard to figure out how they can keep disinformation off their disinformation coming from, say, russian bots in terms of what the impact of this is. lae impact is probably not
bear in mind it's very hard to move lots of voters campaigns spend hundreds of millions of dollars on this, and the notion that a handful of russian bots swings an election would normally be far fetched, except that as we all know, our presidential elections in the us are we very, very tend to be very, very close. and so whereas the impact of bots will probably be very, very small, very, very small, can be quite influential here. so that that's the issue. i think the other issue here is simply the fact that we're having this conversation is because people are worried about fake news and disinformation. and the real damage of that is that peoples may start to lose trust in what is totally real news and totally crediblws i think at the moment they' -- trust has been eroded in all news media across the board, and partly because people just don't
know what is true and what is not true. professor jonathan nagler, thanks so much, sir. we appreciate your time. mr. nagler: thank you. >> next on matter of fact -- as the daca debate returns to the supreme court, different faces are emerging from the group known as dreamers. but why aren't more undocumented asians speaking up to gain protected status? soledad: why is the participation rate so, so low? ali: i think within the asian community there's just kind of a hesitance to take that next step forward. >> and it's a rags to riches story--with a message. how a single mom's bestselling memoir is putting a face to a big problem in the u.s. the memoir is putting a face to a big problem in the u.s. the widening wage gap for the a lot of folks ask me why their dishwasher doesn't get everything clean. i tell them, it may be your detergent...
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children. they're often referred to as dreamers. last month, the supreme court signaled that it might let president trump shut down the program. the trump administration argues the daca program is unconstitutional. much of the media coverage about daca focuses on dreamers from central american countries, like mexico, honduras and guatemala. but there are an estimated million undocumented asian 1.7 immigrants living in the u.s. very few, however, very few, however, participate in the daca program. just 2-percent. compared to 63-percent of undocumented mexican immigrants. ali noorani, is the son of pakistani immigrants and is the executive director of the national immigration forum. it's so nice to have you with us. ali: thank you very much for having me. f things to, thasian can be asian immigrant community is relatively young in the united states. so i think there is a limited level of organizational and communy the system. and then second, i think that there is also some cultural differences where i think within the asian community there is a real desire to kind of stay within your community, stay
within your family. just like every other immigrant community. go work hard, achieve the american dream. but there's just kind of a hesitance to take that next step forward. soledad: is there a generational debate, a generational conversation that's happening within the asian community around daca? ali: i think so. so one of the larger the largest undocumented population among asians is actually the south korean community. and some of the organizing, community organizing that's happening with them suck the south korean community is absolutely incredible. so, in fact, with the supremearr this summer, last month, i should say, who was the opening speakers, if you will? it was the korean drum corps playing the traditional korean instruments. and they were there saying, you know, we are part of the asian community. we're young people. strts here . and just poll people and ask them, who do you really think daca is for, i would bet 99 percent would say, well, it's about mexicans and central americans, right.
because the face of daca has become mexicans and central americans. why have asians really been left out of that conversation? do you think? do they not? do they not advocate for daca as a strategy around bringing more access to young people? ali: well, i think i mean, we have to acknowledge there is a credible leadership coming from the asian community, just like there is incredible leadership coming from the latino and the african immigrant communities as well. i think, frankly, we are a lot to blame here as whether we're advocates or part of the media where we are saying we're not telling that next story of the asian community, of even the african community, their desire to come to the us, their role here in the u.s., their aspirations as daca recipients. and we've you know, we've seen reports of asian organizations starting outreach programs for the asian communities that they serve and they actually get more latinos coming in. so they actually have to hire spanish language staff. so, i mean, i think this will play out over time, but i think it's on us as advocates and as influencers to be able to always stretch and tell these stories. soledad: you mentioned the
media, and i think it's really true. i think the media has helped perpetuate this myth of the monolithic asian community. and part of that myth is wealthy. everybody's working at google and they're all super, super well educated. and when you dig down, that's actually not, in fact, the case. always. ali: well, absolutely. absolutely. s, you know, over the next 10 years, daca recipients are going to contribute four hundred and thirty three billion dollars to our economy. that's a lot of money. and that's across latino, asian, african immigrants who are daca recipients. they're going to pay twelve point three billion dollars in social security and medicarenk e think about microsoft and google, what do i think about i thk about that store on mamilyhe children are daca recipients. and you know what? whatever that store is, they are making that community an amazing
place. so i think those are the kinds of stories that are out there and doesn't mean that that family isn't rich, isn't educated, isn't working hard. they're reaching their fullest potential and they're achieving their american dream, just like any other immigrant community here. soledad: where do you see the political power in the asian community? obviously, orange county, right. which is one of the oldest and most established asian communities, really, i think is beginning to grow. show its strength and political power for asian communities, because lots of places, if you don't have a political power backing up a strategy. it's not going work. ali: so i think there's two examples that i've drawn. one is orange county, right? you've seen the vietnamese, the asian pacific islander community in orange county really flex their muscle politically. soledad: give me some examples. ali: so you also have you have an uptick in voter registration. you have a number of folks running for office who come from immigrant families. the second example i point to is sugar land, texas, sugar land, texas. so i wrote a book a couple of years ago called there goes the neighborhood.
and i focused on one of the places i focus on the sugar land, who is running for a school council, county school commission. it's the south asian community. who is running for the mayor? se south asian community. so you have the asian community really helping sugar land reached new heights, just like the houston area in general. so those are the examples that we take inspiration from. and i think as a country we can say again, it's the asian communities, the latino community, it's the immigrant community writ large who's making america amazing. soledad: ali noorani, it's so nice to have you. thank you. ali: thank you. >> when we come back. maid in america -- soledad: you've gone from being in a homeless shelter to a published raved-about author. >> but her success comes with a warning. stephanie: i'm really hoping that my story causes people to listen. >> plus, the u.s. navy goes on a multi-billion dollar spending spree -- but these items won't fit on santa's sleigh.
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we like to introduce you to regular people who are shaping the national conversation on everything from politics and science to pop culture. people like stephanie land. she's author of the bestselling memoir, "maid: hard work, low pay, and a mother's will to survive." it was named one of the best books of 2019 by the new york times and the washington post. it's the honest and heart wrenchstrty. now, it's headed to the small screen. thanks to a deal with netflix. i recently sat down with stephanie as she told us her stor
so start at the very beginning. what kind of brought you into your circumstances i know you had domestic violence you had no money you had a child and you found yourself sort of just now entrenched in poverty and alone with a kid. stephanie: yeah it was really bewildering position to be in because you think that you know your parents will be able to support you or the my daughter's father would be more supportive and suddenly i was very much alone and didn't have anyone to turn to for help. and so i was in a homeless shelter. soledad: so the thing that i found so interesting about your book which is a fantastic book was like the mundane details of how poverty just grinds you down. why did you think that was sop'f that in there because to me that was like describing how i'm making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. it was so ingrained in my daily life. and i thought it was boring but my editor she had lived
experience with my situation and she said well wait what happened between the homeless shelter and when you got your first apartment and i said oh i was in transitional housing and she said nope you need to put that in there. i kind of referred to it fondly as a crushing sense of hopelessness. soledad: bring us up to speed now. you start the book when your daughter is five or six. today she's 11 and obvio you've gone from being in a homeless shelter to a published raved-about author. what else has changed? stephanie: it's these tiny little moments of running out of toothpaste and finding that there's three more tubes underneath the sink. you know there's always toilet paper. i never have to stress over how much milk i'm putting into my soledad: do you think race has opportunities that you would have as a white woman who is poor as opposed to a black wom or a black guy who was poor. stephanie: definitely. i think my story is incredibly
privileged. i mean i did not grow up in systemic poverty. i grew up in the suburbs and i am white and because i grew up the way that i did i didn't think that poverty was my ultimate fate. and that's also a very privileged position to be in. but i mean what i what i'm hoping is that you know people are listening to me because i look like them honestly. soledad: so i do hope that people see that and it challenges what they think they know about poor people.: and i'y story causes people to listen to the millions of other stories that are from much adverse situations and who had it much harder than me that normally we wouldn't even pay attention to because we don't want to hear it. land. i'm so glad that you came in to talk to us about it here. thank you for having me. >> coming up next -- the u.s. navy drops billions on a fleet of the most advanced submarines in the world. is a new arms race picking up steam in the pacific? plus --
we like to call "we're paying attention even if you're too busy." it looks like there could be a new arms race brewing underwater in the pacific. the u.s. navy announced this week it's going to spend more than 22 billion dollars on the most advanced submarines in the d. the navy's most expensive shipbuilding contract ever was awarded to general dynamics and huntington ingalls for nine nuclear-powered, virginia-class "fast attack" submarines. the virginia-class subs are sort of like a swiss army knife, they can do it all. the submarines can destroy enemy vessels, launch missiles to hit land-based targets, and collect intelligence while sitting just off a country's coastline. the navy's announcement to beef up its fleet comes after china's recent rollout of its own submarines. china's subs can launch missiles nearly five-thousand miles away from its coast, which puts targets as far as india and alaska in range.
it's the latest in growing tensions between the u-s and china. they're still tangled in a trade war that president trump recently said he was in no rush to end. the u.s. submarines are expected to be delivered between 2025 and 2029. the contract includes an option for a tenth submarine, which would push the contract total to more than 24 billion. >> when we return -- remembering the surprise attack that helped shape america's greatest generation. drivers just wont put their phones down. we need a solution. introducing... smartdogs. the first dogs trained to train humans. stopping drivers from: liking. selfie-ing. and whatever this is. available to the public... never. smartdogs are not the answer. but geico has a simple tip. turn on "do not disturb while driving" mode. brought to you by geico.
which will live in infamy." this weekend marks 78 years since the attack on pearl harbor. heec imperial japanese navy bombed the u.s. naval base in hawaii. eight u.s. navy battleships were damaged in the strike. four ships sank. more than 24-hundred americans were killed and more than eleven-hundred were injured. the japanese military hoped the surprise attack would keep the u.s. pacific fleet from interfering with japan's planned
military actions in southeast asia. but it prompted the united states to enter world war two. among the ships that sank was the uss arizona. today, only five survivors who were aboard that ship are alive, all in their nineties. and according to the department of veterans affairs, fewer than five-hundred-thousand world war two veterans are still alive. so in remembrance of pearl harbor, if you he stop and thank a veteran, visit a memorial or museum to honor those who paid the ultimate matter of fact. we'll see you next week.
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