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and accessoriesphones for your mobile phone. like this device to increase volume on your cell phone. - ( phone ringing ) - get details on this state program visit right now or call during business hours. this sunday, a special edition. the covid crisis >> it is true. we haven't even begun to see the end of it yet. >> cases soars. >> our hospitals are overwhelmed. >> we have seven hospitals at maximum capacity right now in miami-dade alone. >> it's tough. i get pretty emotional about this >> testing, slow. >> the way we've been testing, inadequate testing, are making people sicker, the outbreaks bigger and leading to more deaths. >> more states and businesses
now demanding people wearing a masks. >> if we could get everybody to wear a mask right now i really do think the next six, eight weeks we could get this under control. >> many still refusing. >> doesn't make sense. why are we wearing masks to be outside? >> the amount of people who think they don't need to do something is enormous. >> president trump continuing to deny the reality on the ground as states like georgia set new case records. >> georgia's been a great example of a state that's done it all right. >> and demanding schools reopen, despite the risk. >> we have to reopen the schools. get them open. >> when he says open, he means open the schools. science does not stand in the way of it. why does the u.s. trail the industrialized world in controlling the virus? are things about to get worse? and what can we do now to emerge from the crisis? plus, the passing of an american hero. got to do something. >> remembering john lewis, civil rights leader, congressman and
and the conscience of a nation. welcome to sunday and a special edition of "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is a special edition of "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning. america today is mourning the passing of the civil rights icon, moral leader and congressman john lewis lewis died friday night at the age of 80 after a battle with pancreatic cancer. among the countless tributes for louis came this one from his house colleague james clyburn. >> the country lost a hero last night. we literally lost an icon, and i lost a personal friend. >> we will have much more on the life of john lewis including an interview with congressman clyburn later in the broadcast. we are going to begin with our failure to confront the
coronavirus pandemic. it was just a month ago rising case numbers that vice president mike pence wrote an op-ed saying, such panic is overblown. we are winning the fight against an invisible enemy. no, we're not. we averaged w.h.o. case number from monday to friday of this past week. france averaged 455 new cases. germany averaged 408 new cases italy 182. and the united states -- nbc news recorded an average of 69,60 new cases per day. with the country topping 70,000 new cases two of the past three days now, does that sound as if we're winning this fight how did this happen? we are the richest country in human history with an unmatched medical infrastructure and a literate, educated populace. yet today we stand uniquely covid-19 a world that once looked up to
us to do the impossible now averts its eyes over our failure to do the possible. in this special edition's "meet the press" i'll talk to the head of the national institutes of health. two medical experts, two governors and an educator to trace how we got to where we are and where we go from here. we begin with the alarming reality the united states finds itself on the wrong side of this death struggle. >> government is not going t be the answer to all people's problems >> georgia governor brian kemp suing to blom atlanta's mask requirement. >> it is really a distraction from what the real enemy is here and that enemy is this virus that's killing people in our city. >> georgia is ju of 18 states in the so-called red zone identified by the white hous coronavirus task force in a report sent to the states but not made public. the report recommends georgia mandate state-wide wearing of
cloth-faced covering outside the home. around the country new cases are surging unto more than 75,000 on friday with 41 states seeing an increase over the last two weeks. now in some of the worst-hit states, death records are also being set daily. >> when you're on the hamster wheel and a lot of people die, it's tiring. >> 28 states and the district of columbia requires masks outside the home. >> folks, the numbers just do not lie. i am announcing a state-wide mandatory mask wearing. >> but some governors ar still resisting, got tested yesterday for covid-19 and the >> and the results came back positive. >> in light of your diagnoses, are you considering or thinking about a mask mandate now >> not thinking about it mask mandate at all. >> the top nine u.s. brick and mortar retailers now requiring masks in their stores. but on friday, mr. trump made it
clear that he will not call for a national mask requirement. >> i want people to have a certain freedom, and i don't believe in that, no, and i don't agree with the statement if everyone wears a mask everything disappears. voters approve w in an interview wednesday president trump continued to paint an alternative reality. >> we want the schools open and georgia's been a great example of a state that's done it all right. a special place. great people and they've done really well. really well with the virus. >> when he says open, he means open school, kids able to attend each and every day at their school the science does not stand in the way of it. should not stand in the way of it. >> reporter: it escalated into a character assault on dr. fauci by two of mr. trump's closest aides, and peter navarro published an op-ed calling fauci wrong about everything deputy chief of staff shared this cartoon or social media
work criticized for anti-semitic imagery. >> what happened with peter navarro in the editorial i can't even comment on that that's beyond my comprehension why he did that, but i do not believe that the white house is trying to discredit me. >> though mr. trump insists he has a good relationship with fauci, on friday he again singled him out for criticism. >> dr. fauci said don't wear a mask our surgeon general, terrific guy, said, don't wear a mask everybody saying don't wear a mask all of a sudden everybody's got to wear a mask. >> and joining me now for his first broadcast interview during this pandemic, dr. francis collins, director of the national institutes of health and worth noting technically anthony fauci's boss dr. collins, welcome to "meet the press. let me just ask the basic first question that i've asked a number of people that are in this coronavirus task force over the last couple of weeks. why are we doing so poorly compared to the rest of the industrialized world in combating this virus >> well, good morning, chuck,
and, yeah. i am wearing a mask and i have worn it since i left my home t come here to our little studio at nih t only other perso i'll take it off for this interview. i didn't want anybody to think we take masks as something optional for people who want to premises themselves and people around them. why are we doing so poorly well, it's certainly the case that when you compare our experience with europe, which your numbers just did, we basically did good job in new york and new jersey and connecticut with that terrible crisis that happened and took many lives, which we should never sort of pass by without saying what a terrible tragedy that has been. and basically steps were put in place and if you look to see what's happening now in those areas, they came down very close this was just a new york problem kind of went about their business, didn't really pay that
much attention to cdc's recommendations about the phases necessary to open up safely, and jumped over some of those hoops. and people started congregating, not wearing masks and feeling like it's over and it's summer, and maybe it will all go away. now he we are with almost 70,000 new cases per day, from my perspective, quite concerning the number of hospitalizations, which is very close to being as high in the country as it was back in april. so, yeah we've got to really double down here and i hope today, chuck, we can talk about things that bring us together. not things that divide us. we americans are pretty good at rising to a crisis we got one now let's see what we can do together. >> well, that's the question can this be done without federal leadership >> i think basically we americans are individuals, and if given the appropriate information, and if it's not sort of confused by a lot of other conspiracy theories we're capable of figuring out what to do
if we want to see this current surge, and it's a real surge, to turn around, as you just heard from the head of the cdc, all americans need to recognize it's up to us wear a mask when you're out of your house that is protecting other people from you, because you might be that person who's infected and doesn't know it yet and it's spreading virus around. do that social distancing thing. don't congregate in large groups especially not indoors and do the hand-washing we can turn this around, and w don't have to wait for some sort of serious high-level edict to say so this just makes common sense at this point it ought to be something we all do. >> all right you just referenced the cdc director. i don't mean to nitpick on this, but the president directly contradicted and even said i don't even think he's right about that that if everybody wore a mask -- how do you at all get us rowing in the same direction if you have that high level of a
contradiction? >> well, it is bizarre that we turned mask-wearing into something political. imagine you were an alien coming to this planet earth and looking around, looking at the scientific data going from various place to plashce looking to see who's wearing masks, you would be totally astounded, puzzled, amazed, wonder what is going on here how could it be something as basic as a public health action we have very strong evidence can help seems to attach to people's political parties? for starters, could we just walk away from that and say, this is about all of us. we are americans we're pretty good at rising to a challenge, a crisis. we've done so before in wartime. this is not a war but in a certain way it is against an enemy which is called the virus, and that virus is very sneaky and stelly, and our best chance is for all of us to get together and do the right thing, and stop fighting so much about the divide between different political perspectives which is just getting in the way. >> let me ask you this
should americans be concerned that the advice that does come out of the task force is somehow getting watered down by political pressure >> well, i'm part of the task force. i've joined those meetings. the vice president presides over them there's a very thoughtful exchange of information. dr. birx presents the latest data in terms of what's happening across the country we debate many things. there's a lot of work that goes on there about how best we can distribute resources that are needed right now trying t figure out, for instance, how remdesivir, the drug we know that can help people who are really sick in the hospital, get to the people who need it. that's not getting distorted in any way. that basically is going forward and the actions decided during that task force meeting. it's no longer, of course, coming to the press room for a big press briefing, but the work of the task force goes on. >> let's talk about the issue of testing. there's a report this morning the white house is actually pushing back on a congressional proposal that would add more money to your budget, by the way.
more money to states and, for testing, and contact tracing are you guys on the task force recommending less money to states for testing and contact tracing? >> the task force as far as i know has not been engaged in that particular debate about funding in this next congressional supplement that's under serious consideration in the congress. and there's always a back and forth between white house and congress when it comes to appropriations process and apparently the opening bid from the white house was a bit surprising, certainly for many of us who were certainly hoping to see more in the way of support, but this is one of those things that will play out over the course of the coming days let's see where it ends up. >> what can the federal government do right now to improve the testing lag issue? okay we're still -- make an argument we need to do more testing a lot of people make that argument, but the real problem, and i can tell you
i've had own family members have to wait five to seven days to get -- to get the results. that becomes useless at some point if the you're asymptomatic. what do we do to fix that? >> good. getting to the science here. chuck, i like this part. so the average test delay is too long you're absolutely right. averages around the country is about three days, but in som places agency long as a week and that undercuts the value of the testing. you do the testing to find out who's carrying the virus and isolate them so they don't spread is around. it's very hard to do that when there's a long delay getting results. nih is deeply engaged in an effort to develop an additional array of tests that can be done in what we call point of care. most of the tests done right now you have to have the swab and then you send it off to a central laboratory. there's a time in order to do the delivery of the sample then they have to do the testing. they're kind of backed up.
it takes a while to come back. we need to do things more on the spot actually, there's a number of new technologies coming along that look very promising in that space. we need to invest a lot of money and the government is willing to do so scaling those up just this week, you might know, we will be sending to about 700 or 800 nursing homes these point of care tests. the ones that have just gotten fda approval in a place very high risk. people who walk in for their shift will find out if they have a virus and find out in less than an hour that's the kind of things we need more of and the kind of thing i personally along with many others in other parts of the government are working on night and day to do a better job of it. you're right we have to come up with a better turnaround. >> let me ask you a couple questions on the back scene. first of all, the hacking issue that apparently russians were behind was nih targeted did you guys lose any key information?
>> it's not entirely clear to me what this was all about and how we certainly are deeply engaged in this vaccine effort about to have its phase three trial started in the next day or so, initially designed a few hundred yards from where i'm sitting right now at nih, and certainl we are always under cyber attacks of various sorts i would say most of what we do in science, we publish it. put it out there people don't have to go hacking to go find it. we're all about transparency so i'm not exactly sure what serious risk is involved here. mischief, yes, but serious risk? i'm not so sure. >> what's your greater concern on vaccine the ability to distribute it or fear from the populace that the rush to a vaccine may make it unsafe >> i think all of those are significant concerns
let's look at the positive side here, chuck. this has been an amazing trajectory we've been on only in january was it clear that this was a virus that might spread to the rest of the world. within a day or two after getting the genome sequence of that virus our colleagues had started to design a vaccine which just 62 days later would be injected into the first phase one trial participants that data, just published three days ago, looks extremely good, that this vaccine was able to generate high levels of neutralizing antibodies in virtually everybody who got it so we're on a good path here, and we will, by the way, need, as we go into this phase of recruitering people for clinical trials, need people to sign up. >> go for it. >> if you want to be a part of this next phase of figuring how these vaccines work, all you've got to do is go a website. it's a long url called coronavirus prevention network,
all one word, dot org. coronaviruspreventionetwork.org. about 100,000 people have already indicated their interest by registering for this, and you might then get called especially if you're in a site where we'll do recruiting which is in the place where the virus is spreading mostly in the south. so come on, y'all. take part in this. obviously we need especially people who are at higher risk, african-americans, latinos, come on, y'all. >> right. and final question, dr. collins. has anybody at the white house asked you to demote or to phi dr. fauci, and if they did, would you do it? >> nobody has asked me to do that and i find that concept unimaginable, and i am amused everybody's calling me dr. fauci's boss, because his real boss is his wife christine who might have something to say about that. >> dr. francis collins, head of the national institutes of health, appreciate you coming on i know it's not an easy stwhags you're in, but it's important that the public hear from ou, so thank you for doin this, sir. >> thanks a lot, chuck nice to be with you. >> you got it. when we come back, i'm going
to talk to two governors one democrat, one republican, and how they're handling the sharp increase of covid cases in their state. colorado cgrsmonesan and ohio's congressman. they're next. ♪ we could never do what they do. but what we can do it be a partner that never quits. verizon is the most reliable network in america. built for interoperability and puts first responders first, giving their calls priority, 24/7.
as we mentioned earlier, 41 states have seen an increase in cases in recent weeks. meaning them is colorado where jared polis issued a statewide mandate and mike dewine put 60% of his state's residents under a mask order. both jared polis and mike dewine join me now. governor polis, i'd like to start with you. cases have been on the rise in colorado since the middle of june. why this week? why not sooner? what took so long? >> you know, before weigh had the mask requirement we had 60% of our state under municipal or county mask requirements, but what we realized what we needed
at this state was clarity of message. you're in colorado. you're visiting colorado we're a mask-wearing state. this kind of statement really provides that in terms of requiring masks statewide. the other thing we found, chuck, this is interesting in our state, in the areas that had mask requirements had 15% to 20% more mask wearing than the areas of our state that hadn't taken that simple step, and we found that those areas with mask wearing had less spread of the virus in our state. so based on those two data points it was a clear course of action to take it statewide. >> you had been a little hesitant both, i remember, in the stay at home order and with the mask both times wondering how enforceable these things are, and you came around to both of them, but let me ask you this, how enforceable is your mandate? >> any governor, democrat or republican should do anything people that want a governor that will hesitate and double-check things before they do any of those overarching orders that no
governor ever wants to do. there's a number of ways local municipalities have enforced it. one of the things that allows our businesses and retailers and grocers to do is that if somebody is trying to trespass without a mask and they asked him to leave nicely and they don't, they can call upon local law enforcement for trespassing to remove them from the store so they're not threatening and endangering the employees and other customers. >> what explanation do you have for the new rise in cases in your state? what do your health officials tell you? >> first of all, i'm proud that colorado is doing better than some of the hot spot states in the sunbelt. we need to do better than we're doing because cases are going up. that's clear. america as a whole are not doing well. people are lapsing in their caution and lapsing in the need for social distancing. as you know, chuck, masks are not a substitute for social distancing. we can't live the way we did in january, that won't work. we need to not have large get
together, party, groups and make the deliberate effort to stay six feet away from others. a lot of people wished and we all wished that this had been past us. we can go back to normal and i think people are waking up to the fact that they need to be careful in everyday lives and take social distancings very seriously to get through this. >> what's the explanation for why colorado. why does your state. you only -- according to the covid tracking project, you only beat ten other states when it comes to testing. >> there's a lot of other states that are testing more per capita than you are. what is that about? >> i would say generally the states that have the highest case load are going to have the highest testing and the highest positives, probably also the highest negatives. we have, for several weeks, major free testing site that denver runs at the pepsi center, home of the broncos. we also have about 48 free community testing sites across
the state where anybody, no questions asked, no insurance questions or anything else can get tested. >> yeah, but are you getting these tests back fast enough? it seems as if the inability to you'veot to saturate testing and get them fast move and do the contact tracing. do you have that up and running in colorado? >> so the national testing scene is a complete disgrace. so every test we send out to private lab partners nationally, ser serve days, eight days, useless from an epidemiological. we are running 24 hours a day. so while some are still sent out of state and unfortunately, that takes a long time and we can't count on it and our country needs to get testing right, we are trying to build that testing in colorado to process the one to two-day turnaround and we are able to do 2,000 or 3,000 a day that day and even more with the
lab partners in state like uc health. >> it's july 19th though. you're still trying to get testing up and running and getting it quicker. you just mentioned the federal problems that you had and the private lab issues. do you think this -- you think you can realistically reopen schools without getting this testing situation under control? >> well, whether schools reopen in a particular area has more to do with whether there is a hot spot or outbreak in that area and also with the precautions that those schools are taking. in colorado we have delays, and others are beginning with a hybrid model and many districts are going back as planned, as normal taking precautions that health experts recommend and keeping cohorts separated and don't intervene with classes. and every school districthe faculty that face students and
school clerks they will be getting medical quality masks from the state along with any additional masks with protective equipment that the teach verse purchased. >> governor polis, thank you. governor dewine, you have 60% of your state under a mask ordinance, but if someone drives the ohio turnpike and someone turns off, you don't know if there is a county ordinance. governor would it be simpler to have one standard for the state when it comes to masks. i understand with a different standard on restaurants and businesses. on the mask front, whye fferent depending on the county you're driving in? >> first of all, chuck, we ohioans have done very well. we flattened the curve very early. ohioans did what they needed to do.
when we reopened we were one of the first states in put in place a ve a very sophisticated policy about how to reopen and that included a mask requirement for every employee. as far as customers now coming in, as you've pointed out, we are at 60%. frankly, we've seen that go up as our counties have turned red. we're going the wrong way. we are at a crucial time and so this week you may see a lot more counties under that mask requirement. so we certainly would not rule out going statewide. we are certainly looking at that, but there's a lot of things going on, and one of the things that we've tried to do, we are running tv ads and we'll start a new ad. this coming week we'll preview it on tuesday really and the message is you wear the mask for other people. you wear the mask to protect your grandmother. and so it's not just the orders. the orders are obviously
important, but getting people to buy in and to understand getting a 20-year-old to understand that he or she may feel invulnerable. nothing will happen to them, but they get it, they may not know they have it, and they may see their grandmother and she may get it and end up dying. that's the message we're trying to get out across the state of ohio. >> is it, though, your message diluted if you don't mandate it? look, let me ask it this way. because you're getting a lot of criticism on the right on the idea of a mandate and i know there are protests about mask wearing in front of your offices and residences. i think it was one plan for today in columbus. >> are you letting that pressure sort of keeping you issuing the statewide order and you are putting more counties in a red alert in a couple of days, why wait? >> i don't think anybody in ohio
what has watched what i've done doubts i'll do what i need to do to protect ohioans and i gave a speech wednesday night and said to the people of ohio. look, we are at a crucial stage. we are at the point where we could become florida. you look at our numbers today versus where florida was a month ago, we have very similar numbers. so we're very, very concerned. it's not just about masks, though. we went out and talked to all on a phone call this week talked on our health departments and here's where they report back and here's where it's occurring. it's occurring in bars and it's occurring in churches. it's occurring from people who have traveled out of state, but a lot of it, frankly, is just pea all settings, 20, 30, 40, 50 people gathering together, and so it's not all about orders. orders are important, but it's also about getting people to understand, hey, this is very,
very serious and now while we did a great job early on in ohio, we are now headed in a wrong direction and frankly, i'm very, very concerned about that. >> let me ask you this -- >> chuck, you will see more orders from us this week, but again, i want to emphasize it's not all about orders. you have to get people to come along with you if you do this. >> right. no, i get that. i get that. let me ask a bigger-picture question. do you have confidence in the president and this coronavirus task force right now given the fact that we're basically right back to square one? >> i think people look, frankly, to the governors. historically we've looked to governors to deal with crisis whether it's a tornado damage and whether it's a flood pandemic. we look to governors, and so you know, what this administration has been able to provide us and the congress has provided us and we thank both of them is the money. we will continue to need money for testing.
as i look at where we go in ohio, we've doubled the testing in the last five weeks. frankly, chuck, we need to double it again. we can only do that with money coming in from the federal government and it has to be for a long period of time. we're not going to be out of this in a month, two months or three months. >> i understand you say people looked to their governors, but you sort of ducked the question. do you have confidence in the president and his leadership? >> i have confidence in the administration. we are on the phone every week, democrats and republicans with the vice president. the vice president has been doing an absolutely phenomenal job in leading that and of course, the president just delegated that to the vice president. any time i've asked, look, we need something. we need to try to get more agents and the fda moving and every single time i've asked the president or vice president they've come through. getting into a discussion, and figuring out is it the president or whatever it is.
this is not about politics. this is, frankly, getting the job done every single day and all of the governors are fighting to get it done. >> well, you have to launch an ad campaign to convince people to wear a mask. if the president of the united states said wear a mask, would you need to run that ad campaign? >> well, he wore a mask this past week so we were very thankful for that and very happy that he wore a mask and said that, you know, people should wear a mask. so, look, it's no different than anything else. in this country we are not used to wearing masks. fran and i were on a trade mission to japan a few months ago and a lot of people wear masks and it's more of the important for them to wear that mask for somebody else and that's why we run the ads. and they're all ohioans talking to other ohioans saying, look, we've got to do this together. ohioans have done well. people are getting weary across
this country. people are weary about staying home and they want to get out and i understand that. our message is you can get out and participate in the economy, but please be careful. don't do things that just don't make any sense and that's the message that we keep trying to bring across to the people of ohio. >> governor dewine, republican governor from ohio. and virtualizing workforces overnight. as always, sir, thank you for because so much of that relies on financing, coming on and expressing your we have committed two billion dollars perspective with us. to relieve the pressure on your business. much appreciate it. >> 15 states set new case day sh and to help us all emerge from this, we've opened our supercomputers and patented technologies to scientists around the world, accelerating the search for a vaccine. dear fellow business leaders and technologists, this isn't easy. i feel the weight you carry, as i carry it myself. but as you adapt and move forward, but as i reflect we're here with the people, financing, and technology, and see all the amazing things you've been doing... ready to help. one thing is clear, technology has never been so important. you're turning living rooms into conference rooms,
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for infectious disease research at the university of minnesota. dr. joany khaldoon, center for michigan's department of health and dr. wayne frederick, president of howard university and a reminder, he is one of the few university presidents who is also an m.d. welcome to you all. dr. osterholm, let me start with you. is there any way we avoid what some people thought was alarmist a few weeks ago when dr. fauci said he was worried about 100,000 cases a day. is it inevitable at this point that that's where we're headed in a couple of weeks? >> well, to put it into perspective, again, we look at where we've been. we have probably infected 7% to 8% of the u.s. population to date. that's it, with the pain, sufficientering, death and economic disruption, that's it. as we talked about on this very show this virus won't stop and let alone stop transmission until we get to 50% or 60%. to put that into perspective,
chuck, if we had 65,000 to 75,000 cases a day for the next 300 days it would be close to that level. so we have a lot of human wood to burn in this coronavirus forest fire and you know, we may see ups and downs in communities where people do take more concern for a moment because of the severe problems, but i think it's not only likely that we'll see much more than 100,000, but i don't think people understand if we don't change our ways, we are in for the next year of those very kinds of numbers. >> dr. khaldoon, i know that the scientific and medical advice is essentially, we've got to do a reset and maybe go back to the shutdown and maybe do it right a little bit better than we did the last time. can you imagine the political will in michigan to do that again? >> i'm very proud of the people in michigan. i'm proud of governor witmer. she has from day one, listened to the data, but i'm very
concerned. there are simple things like mask wearing political. i am concerned that people are gathering in these large groups. there are many people as kcrosse country where we heard of a bar with covid-19 where people were gathering and i'm confident that michig michiganders can do it. we brought that curve down so i'm confident we can do that again. >> you see that it's coming back up. do you have a sense of why? do you think -- dr. khaldun, do you think it's younger folks laxing on the requirements or is there something else going on? >> like i said, we saw our cases come down after march and april. what we are seeing now is as we started reopening the economy, we are seeing people gathering, churches, bars, people having these house parties. we're seeing some outbreaks
associated with migrant farmworkers, as well. there are multiple reasons why we're seeing an uptick. what we're saying is the demographic has also changed. before june, most of the cases we were seeing were in people age over 50 and now the top casers 20 to 21 age group so that's something we're concerned about. >> dr. frederick, you and i have talked quite a bit since the start of the pandemic and early on you were optimistic about howard university developing its own test and you were almost going to be able to create a bubble on the campus. i know you've made an announcement of the hybrid situation. are you confident that yoourl have t you'll have the testing capabilities that you said three or four months ago? >> i am. later this week we hope to sign with a company that i will leave unnamed for now, but they're going to help us stand up a clear lab at howard university where we'll be able to do the testing internally and that will
allow for us to have a very good turnaround time. however, with respect to a bubble, we have to be realistic that we're bringing students from 46 states and 71 countries. obviously there are travel bans in place and u.s. embassies are not necessarily issuing viss is international students may have a difficulty in returning and bringing people from hot spots, and having students tested before they come and self-quarantine prior to their trips, as well and obviously making tests available on campus. so you're right. i'm still optimistic about it, but i do recognize that there are challenges especially with what's taken place in the country as a whole. >> dr. osterholm, this debate about reopening schools. let's go data driven here. what is the best data to follow on these decision makings whether you're opening a campus like dr. frederick or an elementary school? >> well, i can tell you right
now that schools across this country do not have the resources to open this fall with the personnel that they need. we have sent money to the school districts from the federal government and it's far, far too little, it's inadequate and not arriving in time and so i think that we're going to have some real challenges. there are legitimate concerns in any community right now where you have a hot spot. how can you even begin to think about physically opening schools? distance learning, surely, could be something you can consider. we have the concern about the protection of teachers and we have to understand that that is in itself still a very hot issue. we do know that students transmit more than they once thought that they did and so we str to address that. at the same time, we know that we have to educate our kids. this is critical and particularly the younger age group k through 8 distance learning just does not work. >> i think we have to, first of
all, drive down the decision making to the local school district level and those teachers want to go to work and those districts want to have school and we want to make sure we get them the resources to do that, and of course that, the wrong answers are driving it down from the national level saying this is what you must do and not providing the resources that the school districts need. they need it now desperately. >> dr. frederick, where are you getting the money for all of this? >> well, what we've been doing at howard is we've been supported obviously with the cares act funding. we've also really had some very, very tight management of our overall budget over the course of the past three months, as well. this will put us in a financial bind because of how many low-income students we bring to howard, but it is also important that we recognize that howard
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welcome back. john lewis who died on friday was often called the conscience of the congress, representing atlanta for over 30 years and seen as a moral leader by his fellow democrats and republicans. he was the last surviving speaker of the 1963 march on washington. >> we don't want our freedom gradually, but we want to be free now. >> years later he led more than 600 peaceful protesters across the edmund pet tus bridge only o be beaten in bloody sunday. lewis suffered a kneeling, we'v
knocked down. they started beating us with night sticks and trampled us with horses and released the tear gas. >> in the years since lewis was joined by bipartisan lawmakers in a symbolic march across that bridge to mark the anniversary. lewis' was last month when he visited the black lives matter outside the washington. >> i continue to say to the young people if you see something that is not right, fair, unjust, you've got to do something. >> congressman john lewis was 80e80 years old. congressman jim clyburn joins me whene come back. ♪ come on in, we're open. ♪ all we do is hand you the bag. simple. done. ♪ this smells so good. ♪
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welcome back. congressman james clyburn and john lewis knew each other for 60 years and they served together for 27 years in the house of representatives. yesterday i spoke to congressman clyburn about his close friend and i began talking about lewis' last public appearance at the plaque lives matter plaza in washington, d.c.. >> we talked about how surprised we were at the breakthrough that black lives matter had. it reminded us a little bit of our breakthrough back in the 1960s, and the thing that we
talked about was the fear that this movement as successful as it was being could very well be jeopardized. john and i were always talking about how the sit-in movement got taken away from us. how we woke up one morning and all of the headlines were burn, baby burn, how people lost sight of our purpose and we were very concerned that it would happen again which was the reason i spoke out so forcefully when people were chasing the headline of defund the police. i did not want to see the success of this movement be taken away with that. so john and i talked about that because we always felt that we
more successful back in the '60s if we had not allowed headlines to get in the way of headway. >> it's been interesting to see so many people from both sides of the aisle, but i want to focus here. a lot of republicans have gone out of their way and i think it's been meaningful and heartfelt. it's there. you know, explain to me, john lewis never seemed to -- i guess he couldn't taste bitter. he never was bitter, and it seems that he would open his arms to anybody that asked no matter how checkered their past might be on race relations. >> that's quite true, and john often got in some uncomfortable moments because he was just so kind to everybody. he really, really believed that he should live out the
scripture. he was a minister. i'm a preacher kid, but we talked scripture a lot. he internalized so much of the goodness. >> you know, a lot of people talk about a tribute and there's a tribute saying and i don't think he ever made it, because i can't find it, that america is great because it's people of good. if the people of america ever cease to be good, america will cease to be great. john personified the goodness of this country, and i do believe that that's what the fight is all about now. restoring america's goodness. john believed in that, and i really think that we will honor him, and we should honor him by creating a new on on to replace the 1965 act that was gutted by
the supreme court decision in shelby seven years ago, and the supreme court gave us a road map, and we followed that road map. so when i get back i'm going to ask the leadership of the house to consider re-introducing that bill that passed since hr-4, i believe, reintroducing that, and john r. lewis as voting rights act of 2020 and let's send it over to the senate and then mitch mcconnell and the president can demonstrate the real respect for the life and legacy of john lewis by passing that bill in the senate and the president signing it and let's have our election this year in honor of john robert lewis. >> it would be quite a 2020 achievement in his name. i want to talk about the different ways people want to honor him. 's t of people and you've seen
time for the edmund pettus bridge, for that name to change. there's been different debates about that. let it be named after a segregationist and a racist. let people understand that, but now a let of people think it is time to name it after john lewis. where are you, sir? >> i think i would talk a nice picture of that bridge with pettus' name on it. put it in a museum somewhere and dedicate it to the con fed rassy and rename that bridge and repaint it, redecorate the john r. lewis bridge. i believe that will give the people of selma something to rally around. i believe that would make a statement for people in this country that do -- we do believe in that pledge, that this in the last
phrase of the pledge with liberty and justice for all. >> john lewis' friend and colleague, james clyburn. that's all for today. thank you for watching. please wear a mask and stay safe and remember, if it's sunday it's "meet the press." ♪ ♪ you spoke. we listened. tiny tacos are back for good! grab a box of 15 or try them loaded. get 'em now with no contact delivery. grab a box of 15 or try them loaded. reinventing. it's what with comcast business, your small business can work faster, with powerful internet from the nation's largest gig-speed network. work safer, with all your connected devices automatically protected by securityedge. and work anywhere, with comcast business at home, our new business-grade internet solution for remote workers.
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