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. >> schieffer: today on "face the nation," the news from overnight. george zimmerman is found not guilty in the shooting death of trayvon martin. and only on cbs, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu says iran is dangerously close to having a nuclear women son moving fast to develop intercontinental missile that could deliver it to the united states. it's all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: good morning again george zimmerman is a man. he was found not guilty last night in the death of 17-year- old trayvon martin. he stood stoically in the courtroom last nile as the court
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clerk read the verdict. >> state of florida versus george zimmerman. verdict, we the jury find george zimmerman not guilty. >> schieffer: cbs news correspondent has been covering this case over the last year he is in florida this morning with the latest, mark? >> good morning, bob. not guilty in the end jury of six women, five of them mothers decided that george zimmerman killed trayvon martin in self defense. his face was impassive. he shook hands with his lawyers as his wife cried in the gallery. prosecutors looked drained in defeat they lost in both the murder and manslaughter conviction they pushed for, trayvon martin's parents who watched every day of testimony from the courtroom were not present for the verdict. zimmerman never took the stand but jurors watched lawyers use a man can to recreate his no independent witness saw the fight before he was arrested.
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and by then, the martin family's private outrage had gone national. there are no winners here in sanford. zimmerman is a freeman but may have to worry about his safety for the rest of his life. martin's parents had their day in court but not the verdict that they wanted and their son is gone for good. joining us some daryl parks one of the lawyers representing trayvon martin's parents. you were in the courtroom for the verdict, the parents were not. what went through your mind when you heard the words "not guilty" and how are they are they doing. >> to hear the words, i couldn't believe it. disbelief. not part of my plan for them. but it's the jury's verdict. so legally we have to accept it but we all know socially the verdict is illogical. that unarmed teenager has been killed by someone who had a nine millimeter gun. >> we talked during the trial, you seemed to think all along that prosecutors were winning.
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what went wrong? >> well, i think what went wrong is unfortunately our laws allowed them to have this portrayal of trayvon as some thug. i don't think this jury could connect with trayvon given the facts in evidence in this case. so unfortunately they showed these pictures of are of very derogatory, did not portray him on the night in question. we probably have some work to do both with our laws, also in how we as americans view the value of racial minorities in our country in terms of how we react to these situations. >> let's talk about this, this case sparked national dialogue about race. the allegation that zimmerman profiled an unarmed black teenager, six weeks that passed between the night that trayvon martin was killed and zimmerman was eventually arrested here you have a jury come back with a verdict of not guilty and five of the six jurors were white. what does this case say about where we are with race in
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america? >> well, it operates on different -- they came to the verdict based on a lot of different things that happened. that's fine. however as a country trayvon's name and legacy means so much more now in helping this country as we make day-to-day decisions, meaning people of different races, often by people who are not minority. what i will say about the whole movement you have many white people who have been very supportive, a lot of people of other races have been supportive. this is a multi-racial issue that i think -- it stands for young people who say, what can we do? we can do many things. we can participate in the process and become judges and become legislators, so many different things that we all can do, but it tells you that we all need to be row pro-active not sit back on your laurels.
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>> was the racial make up of the jury in particular a concern for you all along? >> i don't want to say. that you get what you get in the jury, a better jury would have been bettera jury with more of his peers, whatever that may be. it lacked in diversity. it is what it is. they tried, we appreciate them, we thank them. their role is finished now. now becomes advocacy of the country to moving america to a different point. >> going forward, they intend to continue their fight. >> yes, they have the -- trayvon martin foundation which is a foundation. we're going to continue to advocate against gun violence against youth. >> thank you very much. bob, clearly this verdict is a topic that many kitchen tables are having breakfast in america this morning. >> schieffer: thank you so much the verdict brought demonstrators to the streets in
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several cities across the country, hundreds marched peacefully in washington, protesters also turned out in tallahassee, florida's capital city and in several cities across california where demonstrations remain largely peaceful despite concern that widespread violence. joining us now to talk about this and the reaction, the head of the naacp he is in orlando this morning and michael from georgetown university he is in philadelphia this morning. first, obviously, you are not happy about what happened in the courtroom. but what happens next? what do you do now? >> now we focus on ensuring that our justice system continues its course. there may be a civil action brought by the family but there should definitely be criminal charges brought by d.o.j.
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we have asked d.o.j. to continue their investigation they have are indeed continuing. we hope that once everything has happened that can happen here in florida the d.o.j. waits until the end that d.o.j. will hold mr. zimmerman accountable. for what he has done. >> schieffer: in other words, would you file -- ask him to file some sort of federal lawsuit that is civil rights were violated? >> no. federal criminal charges, the matthew shepard, james bird hate crime bill. reality they have to show that race was a factor in his decision making. there seems to be plenty of evidence that suggests that may race may have been a factor he called 911 a lot about young black men that he thought were dangerous. he said, these punks always get away, having had that track record, those words have powerful meaning then you hear young men who say they felt targeted by him. and so, that's our hope, should not be the case that somebody should be able to track, to taunt, to kill a young man on
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the streets. >> schieffer: let me bring in michael of georgetown university, biographer of martin luther king, junior, was this about race? >> absolutely. from the very beginning. it was racial motivation it appears of george zimmerman when he said "these people get away" "they always get away" we don't have to be einstein to deduce from that particular assertion of his that he -- cause that he made that he referred to that he's got a fear of and suspicion of african american youth. it was also involved in the construction of the jury. we know that there were no people of color as far as we can tell no black people on that jury. and while not indicting the jury themselves they are reflection of the broader society's inability to empathize and imagine what it means to be trayvon's parents and trayvon, under assault, going home and
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you are assaulted by marauding person who obviously is motivated by some sense of prejudice and bias toward african-american men. and in denial of ability to use racial profiling as a term within the courtroom and refusal of the prosecution to pursue the racial consequences and the racial bias that motivated this. all around race was involved in both denial of racism as a particular motivation here, but also the broader network of racial association where racial stereotypes prevail. we know now that you can have ha jump pell of stereotypes in your mind and profile somebody that can have lethal consequences. we've seen this time and again in african american and latino communities the tragedy is that it continues. >> schieffer: do you see trayvon martin becoming an icon in the civil rights movement like so many others who died in
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this long struggle? >> i think so. >> i'm sorry. >> it's all right, please. i think that one sense absolutely so. in the 21st century in the so- called alleged post racial era we know race continues to make a huge difference trayvon's martin body cries from the grave for us to not only grieve but to get in to action and to motivate ourselves. not only african american people but all good-willed and good- intending american sit stones make sure this his death is not in vein that we continue to prosecute some of the issues that he has referred to job i'll let you have the last remark. >> i am so proud of the young people happy cross this country who have stood up, multi-racial, all colors, together and said it's time for things to change. those people and the family of trayvon martin have already made our country a safer place. stanford, florida, is better off they have a new chief. new york city is better off they have tough anti-racial profiling laws.
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states across this country are better off for the first time in almost ten years we did not pass any new stand your ground laws last year. those young people need to keep on standing up, keep on pushing to move towards the day where we will be one nation. >> schieffer: do you think in the long -- this helped or hurt racial relations in this? >> i think ultimately it is already helping us move forward. it has been a long time since we had honest conversation about the way in which too many people in our country use color as grounds for suspicion. as a result, as i just cited various cities r and towns are dealing with this differently trying to move to a place where quite frankly young people of color don't just have to fear the good guys and the bad guys. just have to worry about the bad guys. we have enough to deal with that whether you're an officer or
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whether you're a self appointed committee, watch volunteer we shouldn't have to fear you, too. >> schieffer: i want to thank both of you for being with us this morning on short notice. when we come back we're going to talk about the big story overseas. that is iran and its continuing effort to build a nuclear weapon we'll talk to benjamin netanyahu , that is only on cbs. eathe and man, you know how that feels. copd includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis. spiriva is a once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that helps open my obstructed airways for a full 24 hours. you know, spiriva helps me breathe easier. spiriva handihaler tiotropium bromide inhalation powder
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syria in a minute but i want to start with iran this morning because you said last september that iran would have the capability to build a nuclear weapon by this summer. it is summer, are they there yet? >> i said if they continue to enrich at the same rate they will get there. they have -- the red line that i says, they're still approaching it and after the iranian elections, they're building icbms to reach american -- the american mainland within a few years, they're pursuing an at route of plutonium, that is enriched uranium to build a nuclear bomb. one route, plutonium. another route icmb, intercontinental ballistic missiles. they don't need those to reach us they have those. they're doing that after the -- they haven't yet reached it but getting closer to it they have to be stopped. >> there are reports in israel
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and our sources confirm, prime minister, that you want the united states to harden its position on iran immediately convey to the new government that if iran does not halt the nuclear program it's regime will not survive. >> i think the important thing is what the u.s. has said, they said the words won't influence us, what really counts is what the iranians do. what they have to do is stop the nuclear program. they have to stop all enrichment of nuclear material, take out enriched uranium to dismantle the illegal and shut down the illegal nuclear facility. these are the right demands that should be matched up with ratcheted sanctions to make it clear to iran that they won't get away with it. and if sanctions don't work they have to know that you'll be prepared to take military action. that's the only thing that will get their attention. >> schieffer: well, do you
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believe that the united states, there are reports that you feel the united states has been too patient, a little too tolerant in dealing with the iranians. are you asking united states to take the harder line? >> i think we've spoken many times, president obama and i about the need to prevent iran from getting nuclear weapons. that is the u.s. policy. what is important to convey to them, especially after the election that that policy will not change and that it will be backed up by increasingly forceful sanction. there is a new president in iran, he believes -- he's criticizing his predecessor for being a wolf in wolf's clothing. his strategy, smile hand build a bomb. he brags about the fact that he -- while completing a nuclear conversion plan. i think that can't be allowed to get away with it. they're getting closer and closer to the bomb and they have to be told in no uncertain terms
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that that will not be allowed to happen. i think it's important to understand that we cannot allow it to happen. our clocks are ticking in a different pace. we're closer than the united states, we're more vulnerable and there for we'll have to address this question of how to stop iran, perhaps before the united states does. but as the prime minister of israel i'm determined to do whatever is necessary to defend my country, the one and only jewish state from the regime that threatens us with renewed annihilation. >> schieffer: united states has said that we won't tolerate a nuclear iran. what else can we say? >> i think it's very important to make clear that you won't allow them to have the weapon and to demonstrate that by action. that is you can also make clear that the nuclear option which is -- the military option which is on the table is truly on the
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table. the iranians take note of that. right now my sense is and the international community as a whole that because so many things are happening in the middle east, things are happening as you say in syria egypt, with the palestinians, there are many important issues to deal with. i have a sense that there's no sense of urgency and yet on iran, yet iran is the most important, the most urgent matter of all. you should just talk to many of the leaders of this region and they will tell you that. because all the problems that we have, however important will be dwarfed by this apocalyptic, extreme regime that would have atomic bombs that would make a terrible catastrophic change for the world and for the united states, of course for my country as well. we have our eyes fixed on iran, they have to know that we're serious, they have to know that there wouldn't be at route to reach the bomb if they think that, and they think we'll let
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them, that israel will let them do it they're solely mistaken. >> schieffer: what -- how close are they right now? are they within a month, are they within six months of having the capability? how close do you think they are? >> they're closer. most difficult thing in making a bomb is making the nuclear material that is at the heart of the bomb. that is the 90% of the effort if i have to put a thumb's rule on it. they're getting closer. they have now about 190 kilos out of the 50 kill low san of enriched uranium. they had eight months ago about 110 kilos they're edging up to the line. they haven't closed -- haven't crossed it yet. they're also building faster
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centrifuges to jump the line at a much faster rate that is within a few weeks, once they get to that critical mass of -- >> schieffer: when -- >> they're getting closer they should be -- understand that they should not be allowed to understand. >> schieffer: when will you make a decision whether to attack iran because you have said this will not stand. >> well, i can tell you i won't rate until it's too late. >> schieffer: we'll leave it there. let's talk about egypt. you were worried when the muslim brotherhood came to power in e egypt and installed marsi as president he's now gone, are you happy about that? >> we've been concerned with one thing. that is the maintenance of the peace treaty. it's been the cornerstone of peace between us and our neighbors and corner stone of stability in the middle east. our concern through change of administration, first mubarak, morsi came and went and we will see what develops in egypt our concern throughout has been maintain the peace treaty, that
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was and remains my concern. >> schieffer: the united states says we ought to cut off military aid to this interim government now until they have a democracy there do you think we should? >> that's an internal american decision. but again, our concern is the peace treaty with egypt. one of the foundations that have was the u.s. aid given to egypt. >> schieffer: had you talked to people in this interim government can you deal with them, do you trust them? >> we main in that contacts with the formal contacts with the egyptian government throughout the last two years including now. important thing from our point of view is not merely to maintain the peace but stabilize the peninsula which is egyptian territory which is adjacent to our southern border. it's been -- there are lot of jihaddists, al qaeda, hamas you name it they're haul over it place our concern to prevent
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attacks against our territory and against our city, our southern city. we've been doing that and we'll continue to do that. our main concern in our contacts with egyptian government is to make sure that the peace is preserved and that terrorists are prevented. >> schieffer: reports this morning that -- >> not upper most, upper most in my mind is preventing the greatest terror of all. that is that the radical islamist regime in iran gets the weapons of ultimate terror, nuclear weapons. that has to be prevented for the sake of peace, world peace not only our survival but your vital interests and i think the flow of history will judge us if we're able or unable to we're able or unable to prevent this catastrophe. >> schieffer: let me ask you one question on the syrian civil war.
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reports this morning that israel carried out attack this month that targeted advanced anti-ship cruise missiles sold by russia. can you tell us anything about that? >> every time something happens in the middle east israel is accused most often accused i'm not in the habit of saying what we did or we didn't do. i'll tell you what my policy is, my policy to prevent the transfer of dangerous weapons to hezbollah and other terror groups and lebanon and other terror groups as well. we stand by that policy. >> schieffer: mr. prime minister, thank you so much for joining us this morning, wish you the best and i'll be back in a minute with thoughts on washington and why it can't seem to get anything done. out there owning it.
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can't figure out how to administer, an air force where a third of the combat squadrons are grounded because congress can't figure out how to fund them. i have to wonder, who would want to be like that? in this day when we're telling irhers how to run their countries, what do other countries think the model we're currently presenting. i still think america is the greatest country in the world. but convincing others of that is probably a harder sell. back in a minute.
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>> schieffer: some of our stations are leaving us now, rest of the us stay for the rest of the other news, house representative mario diaz-balart will talk about immigration reform, get reaction on all of to from senator dick durbin. and our panel of analysts. stay with us for a lot more "face the nation." ,,,,,,,,,,
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>> schieffer: welcome book to "face the nation. the news from washington this week was more guppy bout what didn't happen than what did. the republican controlled house served notice they wanted no part of the comprehensive immigration reform bill passed by the senate. in a real stunner passed the farm bill giving millions in federal subsidies to farmers but stripped the bill of any funding for food stamp s. what republicansness vision as the next step? we're joined by two republican house members, mario diaz-balart he's in miami and pennsylvania's mike kelly here in the studio. congressmen welcome to both of you. let me just cut to the chase on this immigration, do you see any way that the house can come up with some kind of a bill that provides a path to citizenship for the 11 million people who are in this country illegally?
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>> we had quite a conversation on wednesday about that. i would just say this, i know mario has been working on it for many years. where i'm from people still worry about border security, we were promised before the 1986 that would have border security, everything would be taken care of. at that time i think three and half million undocumented immigrants here now they say 11.5 to 12 million. you look back at history old saying is, those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it. our plan is about breaking it in to separate pieces, having really thoughtful and healthy debate about it then doing something that makes sense for the american people. if we can't do that then shame on us. been we've got to be able to get to a situation that makes sense for the american people. back home i don't have people asking me about that every day, until i asked them, what's the most important thing about immigration. they say, my goodness, our borders are too open we have too many people coming in. i think first part we need to deal with is border security. >> schieffer: what would you do with these people?
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would you put them all in jail? >> you can't do that. >> schieffer: get buses haul them back home? >> we know that -- that doesn't make sense. >> schieffer: of course not. >> i've talked to mario about it and others about it. there's way to get there that way decided after we have a very thoughtful discussion, everybody has chance to weigh in, speaker has been very adamant that everybody will have a voice at the table. some people -- >> schieffer: this has been going on for years. >> it has been. but hasn't reached the peak that it's at right now. i think because the country is looking for us to do something, i think it's important for the american people to understand especially after last couple of months you've got to be able to trust the people that you sent to washington to represent you. but they also have to be thoughtful they have to do something that makes sense for every american. you start then to pull back some of my constituents don't want it, some don't care about it at all but at the end of the day -- >> schieffer: at the end of the day -- >> the importance of the country this economic standpoint that we get this situation handled. >> schieffer: at the end of
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the day nothing ever happens. let's go to congressman mario diaz-balart. do you think that the house can come up with some sort of plan that deals with the 11 million people that are in this country now? because it seems to me until you can come up with some realistic plan to deal with them the rest of it doesn't really matter. >> i think we will reach that point. i agree with my colleague, my dear friend, one of the brightest people in the house what he says is absolutely true. there is distrust of the federal government. border security was promised and never delivered. i think we have to do a couple of things. have to show to the american people that's go can to to be real border security, enforceable border security that deals with the folks who are here, how do we deal with. that number two it helps our economy. number three that we have a system, a legal immigration system that works. and number four this is key, that it protects the rule of law and lastly, we have to deal with
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the folks that are here. ignoring the fact that they're here does not make them go away we have total agreement on that. now, one of the things that was just said which i think is key to focus on, in the house we're going to do it right. we're going to do it methodically. ultimately we'll get better piece of legislation and get a bill that the american people understand is responsible and pip the way, we'll read it, we were not going to have to pass it to find out what's in it. we'll take our time, get good legislation, ultimately we'll get there with a piece of legislation that fixes the broken immigration system which has to include dealing with the folks. >> schieffer: what is it that gives you hope that something is going to get done, because up until now there's a lot of talk, the senate passed a bill but at the end it appears nothing is is going to happen and i just -- it's hard for me to see how this house is going to come together with anything that will be meaningful in the end. why are you hopeful that it will? >> i understand why -- that's
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very good question. reality is when democrats controlled they didn't want to do it. republicans controlled in the past we didn't want to do it either. what's changed now is that there's a realization, first of all the american people that we have to fix this broken immigration system that is affecting us, affecting our economy, national security. number two, congressional leadership. republican leadership understands that we have to pass responsible legislation that secures the border, that protects the rule of law, we'll have to deal with the folks that are here. so unlike when democrats controlled and unlike in previous years when republicans controls there's realization, particularly by the republican leadership that we have to get it done but more importantly we have to get it done right to protect the economy, to protect the rule of law, dealing with the folks that are here while not violating the rights of folks that have done things legally. in a way that's thoughtful, responsible, very clearly enforceable. >> let me just ask congressman kelly, we're very short on time
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this morning because of all the news, you pass a farm bill in the house that gives billions of dollars, much of it to large corporations that own farms. it's almost like welfare for the wealthy. but you don't include a dollar for hungry people, for food stamps, what kind of a message is that? >> i think the message was we try to put the bigger piece -- we couldn't get enough agreement on either side. why don't we break it in two pieces, let's address the ag piece first then do the snap program, nutritional piece second. it made sense because we couldn't get agreement how we should do it. the frustrating in this for me, i'm not a politician i'm an automobile dealer in my whole life is sitting down across the table from somebody who actually wanted to get something done then compromising -- >> schieffer: do you want to pass money for food stamps? >> we already have money for food stamps what bothers me, one in six americans are on this program. now either the economy is not
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growing the rate it should or this program is so badly flawed that we're letting too many people in. the sustainability is what concernsly. you can't keep promise knowledge things then in the future you can't sustain. it's unthey're and unamerican do to that. >> schieffer: will there be money for food stamps passed? >> absolutely. i have never talked to one person who says we don't want to take care of the most vulnerable. i have talked to people said the system is broken, when we look what's going on we're wasting billions of dollars on a program that doesn't seem to be lifting people out of poverty but keeping them in a state of poverty that's not right. that's not american. that's not the way we work in the past. and that's not what our future should hope for. it should be blue skies and strong winds at our bake in a nation that has everything that god could possibly provide for us here. we have potable water and tillable soil. we should be vulnerable in this country. >> schieffer: well, we'll stop there. we're going to turn to the other side of the capitol hill and talk to the number two democrat
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in the senate, dick durbin who joins us this morning from springfield, illinois. what is your take, senator durbin, you all passed the big immigration bill, you saw what the house did this week, also saw this farm bill that was passed. what as adeem grath do you see now? >> bob, we discovered in the senate if you want to pass an historic bill to fix a broken immigration system, it has to be a bipartisan effort, four democrats, four republicans, we sat down for over 40 meetings, we worked out an agreement it includes border enforcement and security, a path to citizenship and we passed it with a strong bipartisan roll call. that should be a message to the house. that is how this has to be done. this can't be done by the republican caucus in the house, it should be done on a bipartisan basis. when it comes to the farm bill, twice now the senate has passed the farm bill by strong bipartisan votes, sent it to the house where it failed because they couldn't even call a bill
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and this year when it was called even republicans wouldn't vote for it. now they have stripped out food stamps, i listened to the explanation from congressman kelly, he wonders why so many people are receiving assistance, because their wages and income are so low they're working but they can't afford to feed their children. elderly people on social security not receiving enough to really keep food in the house, that is a problem we should face squarely. it isn't a matter of defrauding american taxpayers it's reflection on the weakness in our economy for a lot of hard working families. >> schieffer: well, do you see any kind of farm bill passing the senate that does not include money for the food stamp program? >> no. let me tell you, for 50 years, 50 years we have had a partnership of those living in the cities who are interested in nutritional programs whether it's food stamps or school lunch and those who represented rural areas which i did in congress.
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they came together in a farm bill, it was a winning formula. now the house republicans have given up on that. that's a mistake. let's not only grow the food let's make sure it's distributed fairly across america, particularly so our own people don't go hungry, separating out these two issues are in best interest. >> schieffer: getting back to the immigration bill. it apparently or it looks like the house is going to pass some sort of bill or series of bills but at this point it look like, i don't see very much sentiment for anything that deals with the 11 million people who are in this country undocumented, the so-called called illegals in this country. it's hard for me to she how the senate would pass anything that didn't deal with that. >> i agree with you. we started this debate, started this conversation among democrats and republicans with two basic understandings.
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first, a path to citizenship. it's long, it's tough, folks have to come forward and register, pay their taxes, pay a fine, be monitored to make sure they have no criminal background that troubles us. give them a chance for ten years to pay taxes and not receive government benefits and then an opportunity of a three-year path to legalization. i think it's fair, certainly not amnesty. we said to the republicans, all right, i'll give when it comes to the border do i think we're over spending in our bill on border security, yes, i d. on the republican side they insisted on it and came up with 14 republicans who said this is fairway to reduce the likelihood of illegal immigration. couple it with the e-verify system at the employment place, couple it with checking on visas, enfree and exit. it's a sound, solid system. i'm afraid when it comes to this border security there's never enough for some. they say it's about border security that's reason they can't be for immigration reform. i think it's about something else. >> schieffer: let me ask you
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quickly about what benjamin netanyahu, the israeli prime minister said this morning, he said the united states is going to have to take an even tougher line with iran and let them know that if they proceed with this nuclear program that the united states will simply not tolerate it, that this regime cannot survive. what is your advice right now to the administration on that? >> i think the administration position is the right one. iran is a state sponsor of terrorism. the notion of a nuclear iran is absolutely unacceptable. it will not only create a threat to israel, the middle east and the united states but it will trigger this arms race in the arabian peninsula of others. if iran has them they can't let that happen. we put sanctions in place but made it clear to the iranians there is point beyond which we cannot allow them to go.
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neither the american people nor congress are seeking a war, we're not looking for one. iranian leadership shouldn't push us to the brink that will come point where united states has to stand up for our best interest and the best interest of our allies and friends in the middle east. >> schieffer: all right. senator, thank you so much for being with us this morning. we'll be back in one minute with our panel of handle lists.
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>> schieffer: well, it's very busy news day as it were, but if we ever had a panel that could handle it, certainly none better than this one. we're going to talk about all of it, peg knee noonan our friend columnist for the wall center journal. john harris also our friend editor in chief of politico, david sanger, one of my oldest friends chief washington correspondent for the "new york times" and bobby ghosh editor of "time" magazine. friends, what should we talk about here? i mean with all of this, peggy, what's the most important thing here? >> i think probably the story
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that everybody in america woke up learning this morning this is the zimmerman verdict. funny thing everybody thought, my goodness, the verdict is going to come, everybody will know within 20 seconds. well in fact it had come overnight rather late last night. i think it's a big story, we'll all be talking about it america will be deciding what it thinks about it over the next 12 hours. >> schieffer: ask this another o.j. simpson verdict and will we -- so far no reaction like that. >> in that it leaves a lot of people confounded, i'd say dumbfounded some people frankly have ash in their mouth over it. but i suspect it may be like simpson in that people as emotional as they get do reserve a certain detachment, a certain coolness, they understand the criminal justice system as mad as they get. at the time of simpson in '95 worried there was going to be
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huge explosions of anger, going to rock the system. actually it didn't, people brush off and move on we'll see if that's what happens in this case. >> >> schieffer: you think this was about race, david? >> it struck me the most about the trial, bob, was that race was the discussion outside the courtroom with everybody. whether or not this was racial profiling, that mr. zimmerman was engaged in or not, whether or not he harbored an intent to go out and confront trayvon martin. inside the courtroom race was the subtext but it never really came up explicitly except in a few flashes and few moments. and of course the whole nature of the system as john said is to decide this on a narrow sort of facts in which race was explicitly excluded as -- i think that partly explains why seeing such a sense outside the courtroom.
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>> schieffer: you watched mostly international stuff you've been following egypt all that have how do you think this is going to be vieweds this something that people around the world will stalk about or is this something pretty much that people in the united states will be fixated on because certainly they have. certainly cable television has. >> people aren't -- what, this again, in worldwide within, didn't we go through recall this with the o.j. simpson trial. i think there's a lot of the same dumbfounded response that you see in this country. i think there's a dissatisfaction probably felt here as well about not hearing from zimmerman. that is the one thing that hopefully we'll hear from him in the next few weeks and months maybe when this goes to shelf court, maybe if some federal investigation takes place or if mr. zimmerman puts himself out there with the media. we haven't heard from him.
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that -- >> schieffer: you heard john from the naacp they're going to push the justice system to file some sort of criminal action here, like a hate crime kind of action or something. >> i think there is going to be intense pressure from the civil rights community on attorney general holder and on president obama. >> which means it will be political and we're trying to talk about justice and the doing of justice not political stuff. we try as much as we to be keep them apart. it seems to me i was one of those the past few weeks watching cable tv constantly looking for egypt, because i wanted to know what was happening and what appeared to be a second revolution. instead it was the zimmerman trial. three weeks, talented lawyers, everybody alert and listening, only six jurors, who had a lot of responsibility on them. it seems to me in our own awkward american way we
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attempted to get something like justice, came up with a decision i think probably to go beyond that will seem heightly political choice than pursuit of justice. >> schieffer: in our own awkward american way we also saw again congress manage to not do anything. they pass a farm bill but they gut it of any money for food stamps, the house says, no way, no how will they have any part of the immigration bill here. what happens now? my sense of it is, i don't think we'll have at the end of the day an immigration bill. i think it just won't happen. >> a few weeks ago i was somewhat optimistic that there would be a bill. i think that today it seems much more doubtful and by the end of the year the house will come up with something. it's possible it could get cobbled together in the end the president would have to be out a lot more than he probably has
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been. >> schieffer: talk about the political fall out from this, john, what does this mean for the republican party? >> i that i is the crucial variable in this, bob. there's no question long term this is a terrible problem for republicans. if they're seen as hostile to hispanic americans but there's a big question as to what it means in the short term. do people who want comprehensive immigration reform, can they impose a penalty on republicans in the timeframe that matters, ie, the 2014 elections. a lot of republicans made the calculations this does not hurt us in 2014 in terms of holding the house or expanding the house. >> what does do it for 2016 and republican chances in the presidential race? >> it's 2013 right now there will be a few congressional questions in which you can probably work out at least parts of this bill or maybe something in the end you can call comprehensive. but i'm starting to think as i look at this whole thing, 1986,
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last big comprehensive immigration reform took place within context of unemployment going down, the economy getting stronger and people having a sense of economic dynamism. this is the first comprehensive immigration it's not taking place in the same context. and it doesn't have the same feel around it. and i think among republicans surely there is in creased sense, you're going to take low wage workers who are here now who are americans, you are going to put them under added pressure thissening. we got to rethink this whole thing, it ain't perfect. americans want immigration reform. i don't think they want this bill in the same numbers by any means. >> schieffer: let me talk quickly about benjamin netanyahu he came on pretty strong saying the united states needs to take a harder line here. >> he did. i heard him doing two different things, bob, during. this first was obviously put pressure on president obama who
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said very little about iran in the past few months, in part because you've had syria blowing up and egypt blowing up. last thing is another confrontation. i think that mr. netanyahu senses that the administration knows if they put out very big comprehensive offer to iranians, beyond what they have done so far, iranians reject it it puts the president in the position of having to make a decision on military action. i heard the prime minister do one other thing in response to your question about his red line, when he held up that big cartoonish image of a bomb. i think israelis now recognize that the prime minister when he spoke at the u.n. set the red line in the wrong place. he did it with one narrow wave that the iranians can get to a weapon as he said, iranians are making progress in two alternative routes and not sure how to deal with. that i think you heard him set some new ones. >> schieffer: why do you
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think benjamin netanyahu decided now was the time to come on american temp vision and say this? >> i think he's trying to sort of hedge things off at the path. his fear is that now that there's a new president in iran who seems to be saying some of the right things, he worries that american public opinion and administration might feel a little conciliatory towards the new regime. the quote that i took away that was quite significant was when he said, the previous president was a wolf in wolf's clothing, new president is a wolf in sheep's clothing. i think that was the key he wanted to head that off a little bit. >> schieffer: i want to thank all of you, we could go on for the rest of the morning here. we have to take a break, the clock caught up with us. we'll be right back.
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