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captioning sponsored by cbs >> dickerson: today on "face the nation." president trump face the biggest test of his moral instincts since taking office. and other senior administration official through the exit door. protesters in cities across the country an estimated 40,000 in boston alone, took to the streets this weekend to drown out the messages of hate and violence seen last saturday in charlottesville, virginia. protesters also described that white nationalists protesters and counter protesters were equally to blame for the violence. >> i think there's blame on both side. i have no doubt about it and you don't have now doubt either. >> dickerson: the president response led ceos to andnd the white house manufacturing council. five of the seven joint chiefs
issued tweets denouncing racism and bigotry, former president george herbert walker are bush and george w. bush put out statement the same. but former kkk leader david duke thanked the president for his honesty and courage. that prompted south carolina's lindsey graham to plead with the president, you are now receiving praise from some of the most racists and hate-filled individuals and groups in our country. for the sake of our nation as our president, please fix this. how will he fix it? we'll ask south carolina's other republican senator tim scott who said this week the president's moral authority is now compromised. virginia democratic senator tim kaine will also join us to discuss the debate over confederate monuments that has mushroomed since playing a role in the protest. plus, just days after defending his chief strategist steve bannon. >> he is not a racist i can tell you that. he's a good person.
he actually gets a very unfair press in that regard. >> dickerson: the president said goodbye to the self described national list. latest senior white house official from the president's original team to leave the administration. will his departure lead to the stability the president's advisors and family crave or open up new fault lines. we'll talk about that and more with our politics panel. all coming up on "face the nation." good morning, welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. it's been more than a week since the president's outrage by blaming all sides for the violence in charlottesville. on monday, president trump gave in to pressure from his staff to respond more specifically against the hate groups involved. >> racism is evil. and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the kkk, neonazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant
to everything we hold dear as americans. >> dickerson: the page had been turned, more so the president's advisors had hoped. tuesday at a press conference scheduled to be about infrastructure, the president went rogue. his priority once again seemed to be equating the two sides in charlottesville. >> you had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. and nobody wants to say that. but i'll say it right now. >> dickerson: by thursday the president moved on to another argument taking sides against those who support removing or relocating confedora rad monuments. by the end of the week more than just the president's opinions were being questioned, tennessee republican senator bob corker said the president's behavior was part of a larger lack of stability in office. >> president has not yet been able to demonstrate the ability, competence that he need to common straight in order to be
successful. >> dickerson: nebraska republican predicted more violence in the future and questioned the president's ability to calm and comfort the nation. to talk about the week and address these issues, these larger issues of presidential leadership, we're joined by tim scott from mount pleasant, south carolina. welcome, senator. i want to start with your remarks about the president and idea that his moral authority is compromised. what does that mean? >> it means look tolt future going to be very difficult for this president to lead if in fact moral authority remains compromised. he went into office, some times you have positional authority, that is very hopeful. but the reality of it is, this nation responds to moral authority. when we believe that our president has the entire nation's best interest at heart, his comments on tuesday that erased his positive comments on monday started to compromise that moral authority that we
need the president to have for this nation to be the beacon of light to all mankind. >> dickerson: what should the president have said? >> well, i think what he said on monday was fantastic. it would have been even better had he said it on saturday. what he said on tuesday was just really challenging. what the president should do before he says something is to sit down and become better acquainted, have a personal connection to the painful history of racism and bigotry of this country. it would be fantastic if he sat down with a group of folks who have endured the pain of the '60s. who had humiliation of the '50s and '60s, this would be an opportunity for him to become better educated and acquainted with the living history of so many folks from john lewis to my mother and so many others who have gone through a very painful part of the history of this country so that when he acts, when he responds and when he speaks he's not reading the
words that are so positive that he's breathing the very air that brings him to a different conclusion, conclusion that comes from the wells of his heart. that's what america wants to see. that's what we're seeing in so many of the counter protest, we're seeing america rise in a way that it did not in the '60s which i think is powerful and symbolic to the rest of the world that we reject the dar darkness and we embrace the light. these are good times for those who believe that darkness must be put out and light must shine even brighter. >> dickerson: another thing that the president could have said and might say is to those white supremacists, i don't want your support. i raise this because two republican senators who suggested perhaps a reason he hasn't, the first is ben sass who wrote there are some whispering that racial division could be good politics for them. senator corker from tennessee
said, helping inspire division because it generates support from our political base is not formula for causing our nation to advance. do you believe that's part of what at play and should the president say, i don't want these votes in any form? >> well, i assume that's automatically obvious answer that we do not want the support of those folks who want to divide or conquer this nation. the fact of the matter is that the republican party is party of abraham lincoln and ronald reagan. we believe that all men and women are created in the image of god. we believe that we are all equally created. so the fact of the matter is that we should assume by default that we reject the support of those who do not support the theory, the notion, the fact, that all men are created equally. that is me seems like the starting point and should not be a leap. >> dickerson: should the president, though, be a little bit more clear about this because can the leader of the party of lincoln, the president,
also be the person who is being praised by former imperial leader of the kkk david duke? >> we should bask in the criticism of our enemies. we want those who believe that this country is better with a superior rate and thoughts of inferiority pervasive to this nation that has been rejected, sight be rejected by the president and every single person. i've said several times that from my house to the white house we all must reject hatred, racism and bigotry do it in such a clear and unambiguous way that there leaves no doubt, period. >> dickerson: you've worked on these issues for a long time. charleston had the horrible shooting more than two years ago, what can the president do beyond sort of fixing the remarks from last week, what more would you expect him to do to reach and deal with some of these larger issues? >> at this point it's not what the president says next. it's what he does.
we are in a very critical and sensitive time in this nation. we need our president to sit down with folks who have a personal experience, a deep connection to the horror and the pain of this country's provocative racial history. if the president wants to have a better understanding and appreciation for what he should do next, he needs to hear something from folks who have gone through this painful history. without that personal connection to the painful past, it will be hard for him to regain that moral authority from my perspective. >> dickerson: when you and i talked about this before you had suggested that this was something president could do at the start of his administration, spend more times in communities of color, why do you think he hasn't? >> it's hard to say why he has not. i can tell you that i stand by those comments back in january that if in fact our president is going to regain that moral authority, if he's going to remain on the high ground, if we're going to make progress in this nation it's not some of the
issues that we fight for it's understanding that people that we are fighting for and those issues that best represent a better future for those folks. that's one of the reasons why i have suggested that coming in to some of the most challenging economic communities in this nation is in his best interests, is in the nation's best interests that we fight for the issues that encourage and improve the outcome for those folks that are economically most disadvantaged and frankly socially feel like they're left out. >> dickerson: let me ask you about your relationship in south carolina when confederate flag came down you supported. that the president has said these confed rad monuments are beautiful that it's fool tower take them down. do you think it's foolish to take the confederate monuments down? >> that's a local issue. but i am certainly wanting to be clear. one of the most powerful pictures i've ever been a part of from a racial progress standpoint was seeing president obama standing in front of the
pettis bridge. someone stood for hatred, bigotry, having a president stand in front of that bridge said so much about the darkness of the human soul and how much progress that has been made. here at home in south carolina, john c. calhoun was a united states senator, famously a part of the nation of 'proceedings and bigotry in this country. the voters of south carolina to evolve to the place where they elect someone like myself to be in the same seat of john c. calhoun says what is possible in america and started in south carolina. i think we are on the right path overall. >> dickerson: all right, senator scott, we're out of time. we're so grateful for you being with us. >> yes, sir, thank you. dickerson: joined now by virginia democratic senator tim kaine he's in richmond. senator, you were also governor of virginia and mayor of richmond, majority african american city that was also the
capital of the confederacy. from those perspectives how do you see this debate now over removing confederate monuments? >> well, john, first, i wouldn't even be a guest on the show this week fit were just about monuments. the reason that we're doing this today is because i went to three funerals this week. i'm not here because of statutes but because people brought violence and murder to my state. i think i'm also hear because we have a president who wasn't able to stand up and condemn the indefensible. >> dickerson: yet we have in the wake of everything you just described, there is a conversation now about these monuments, about how you take all of the things that have been royaled up by this and try to mother the pressure and work through these issues and so given that, given that this is moved into a conversation about symbols and history, where do you -- what guidance do you have given the moment and your history as a governor and a
mayor? >> when i was mayor and governor we worked on some of these issues because we have painful scar tissue, obviously. we took down two bridges in richmond that had been named for confederate generals and radio named for civil rights heroes. we put up new statues, one ever abraham lincoln who visited richmond after the fall of the city. one of arthur ashe on maniment for confed rad generals. way we looked at this issue, it's important that we look at it this way it's not just about subtraction it also has to be about addition s. our mayor, lavar has convened a commission to look at the statues and decide if they should stay or removed. a point that i would also make is, let's also talk about whose stories haven't been told hand what buildings or monuments we might think about erecting in
the future. you went to uva you know virginia well. it's interesting, we're a history obsessed commonwealth, why do the four years of the civil war merit so much more attention in virginia than 250 years of blood sacrifice by hundreds of thousands of slaves who lived here, who built up our state, who were sold to our state. >> dickerson: when you were mayor you said about a mural, much of our history is not pleasant, you can't white wash it, do you feel that same way about the confederate statues in the capital. >> in the capital in dv it's interesting, we know the story, every state gets two statues to put in statuary hall or throughout the capital. using virginia as an example. the state gets to choose two people to represent the entire scope of the state's history. virginia obviously chose george washington, the father of the country. but the second choice that was made in 1909 has never been changed is robert e. lee.
i think as you look at the scope of virginia history here in 2017 and if you want there to be two people to really stand for who virginia is, why wouldn't you think about pocahontas had she nod saved john smith's life we wouldn't even be here, possibly. or a barbara johns who led a school walkout in prince edward county that ultimately became part of the brown versus board desegregation decision. or think about governor wilder the grandson of a slave, decorated korean war combat veteran who became the first elected african american governor in the history of the country f.2017 looking backward, virginia could probably do better in the two people that we choose to stand for us in statuary hall. i think a number of the other states can do better as well. >> dickerson: let me ask you about a point the president raised about violence on the left, that has been a part of some of these rallies. does the democratic party have any responsibility to call out
violence while may be separate from the issue in charlottesville is also part of the issue in charlottesville. what is the democratic party's responsibility? >> we should call out violence of any kind, peacefully protesting is a constitutional right. but what the president did this week was suggesting there were some moral equivalence in charlottesville. and that is outrageous. the president didn't have a hard time when a somali young man drove a car into that crowd at ohio state in december he called it an act of terrorism, which it was. when somebody drove car into a crowd in barcelona this week, he jumped on it immediately, was an act of terrorism. but when this white supremacist drives a car into a crowd of people killing heather heyer and injuring more, the president says there's violence on both sides, why is he so confused and unclear and unwilling to call out the violent white supremacy
that was on such gruesome display in my home state? >> dickerson: a quick question about the criticisms during the campaign, hillary clinton used deplorable to describe the people that you started your remarks by talking about the with white supremacist, it painted with a broad brush, people felt that she was talking about them. how does the democratic party not paint with that broad crush in these conversation, is that will happen coming off now? >> john, this is really important question. we ought to throw away all the broad brushes. we need to be very precise. first, it's really important, you have to condemn the intolerable. when there are people marching through the streets of charlottesville chanting blood and soil from hitler rallies, or jews will not replace us, you can't be polite and kind about that behavior or certainly about murder and violence you have to condemn it. but you have to be very specific about what you're condemning.
it is very important to be absolutely clear and condemn what's indefensible. but you have to do it in a way that suggests that you're open to dialogue with people who have different points of view than you do. >> dickerson: very briefly, senate foreign relations committee, troops to afghanistan, should more troops going there and what is -- what are the u.s. interests in afghanistan? >> john, i have a high degree of regard for the president's national security team, especially secretary mattis, general dunford, general mcmaster but i will say this. the troops question is sort of the cart before the horse. the real question is what is our strategy and then when you layout the strategy then the troops question can answer itself. >> dickerson: thank you, senator kaine, we'll be back with deeper analysis on the events in charlottesville and what they mean for the country. o cover alt anything. even a swing set standoff.
>> dickerson: to talk about the violence in charlottesville and the rise of white nationalist groups we're joined by sherrilyn ifill she's president and director council of the naacp legal defense and education fund. elle reeve is correspondent for vice news tonight, she was embedded with a group of white supremacists during the event that took place in charlottesville, virginia, last weekend. and christian picciolini is a former self identified skinhead and cofounder of the group life after hate. welcome to all of you, elle, start with you. the documentary you were in has been watched by 46 million people. and i want to show a little bit of that footage from the fry die night and then get to you talk about it. this is from vice news tonight. [ chanting ]
>> dickerson: elle you weren't just on the periphery of this you were embedded. the president said that on this friday night that there were good people quietly protesting. what was your sense of what you saw? >> this is unannounced event, but a very organized one. when we arrived there were vans dropping off white nationalists at the field. on the field there were organizers doing crowd control, security, handing owl tiki torchs. they picked tiki torches to be menacing, some times they call it torch-lit vigil, supposed to be offensive spin on candlelight vigil. once they started marching, they didn't talk about robert e. lee being a military tactician, they
wanted to be menacing it's not an accident. >> dickerson: sherrilyn, all of the president's remarks this week, there are -- his supporters would say but he did call out the racists on monday. and when he identified violence, there was violence from the counter protesters in charlottesville. what are they missing in their defense of the president? >> i think what we saw this week was the president scripted and unscripted. when the president was unscripted, when the president spoke from his heart we heard him. he was combative, he was defensive of those who were white supremacists those who were nauseas, he put on -- nauseas, he put on a moral plain those who were white supremacists and nazis with those who came out understandably outraged by seeing flags with swastikas and confederate flags and hearing the homophobic, anti-semitic and
racial slurs. he put them on the same moral plain. whenever he was pushed what came out of him was such tremendous anger that we would even dare to expect him to call out what we think any president, any modern president in this country should call out, which is nazi-ism and white preparism. he just wasn't able to do it. what he did this week is not only did he advocate his role as a leader, as a leader of this entire country, not as a man speaking for himself. not as a man speaking for his political party. not as a man speaking on behalf of his voters or his base, as president of the this entire country he abdicated that. even worse he gave aid and comfort to those white supremacists and neo-nazis out in full force friday night and saturday. >> dickerson: christian, quickly, why has this rise come in white nationalism now? >> there's been a rise over the last 30 decades. what's happened, with concerted
strategy to move away from the skinhead or the clan look, to grow your hair out because when i was involved 30 years ago there was a stigma to that even amongst racist white americans. the idea was to blend in, to grow the hair out trade in the boots for suits. >> dickerson: we'll take a quick break and to go commercial. lot more of this discussion in a moment. thank you clients? well jd power did just rank them highest in investor satisfaction with full service brokerage firms... again. and online equity trades are only $4.95... i mean you can't have low cost and be full service. it's impossible. it's like having your cake and eating it too. ask your broker if they offer award-winning full service and low costs. how am i going to explain this? if you don't like their answer, ask again at schwab. schwab, a modern approach to wealth management. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪
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>> dickerson: welcome back to "face the nation" we continue our discussion on the national rise of white supremacist groups. we're joined by sherrilyn ifill of the naacp legal defense and educational fund. elle reeve of vice news tonight and cofounder of the group life after hate christian picciolini. elle go back to you on point that christian was making. one of the things in the documentary i thought was interesting was explicit way in which some of the members of these groups said, we're launching a new phase to get publicity. can you describe that a little bit what they were trying to do? >> yeah, this has been largely an internet movement. these guys didn't live together, hang out together they just swarmed together online. and so this is a movement to hold physical space. they have taken tactics from left wing organizers and show that they're strong and they have camaraderie. also are focusing on what they call aesthetics.
they want to look class, successful, don't want to look like the old, as they called it white trash racist of the old times. >> dickerson: christian, let me ask you about the work that you do. trying to help stop this from your own history. you have a federal grant now and tell us about your work how that fits into what elle was talking about? >> well, how it fits into what elle does is, first of all what she showed was stunning, not only showed what we see as the public face of white supremacy but also behind the scenes how the language changes and becomes more extreme. it is a marketing tactic to do that. under president obama my organization, life after hate was awarded a $400,000 grant to come rat far right extremism. when president trump took office immediately that grant was rescinded. we were the only organization of the pool of grantee, is that was focused on white supremacist, extremists and disengaging people from that movement.
we do that in a nonaggressive way. everybody is a former -- more importantly we understand what it takes to get out of these groups. >> dickerson: what are the motivations, obvious ones, but what's the key? >> you know, ideology is not the driver for radicalization. it's a search for identity, community and purpose. a broken onef there's a brokenness underneath that person they tend to search for those in really negative pathways. >> dickerson: sherrilyn, let's talk about congress, about the response to this. there's been a lot of commentary but what do you look for next in terms of matching public action with the sentiment that somehow in response to charlottesville? >> i think this is important i hope it doesn't get lost because i think there's a powerful role for journalists like elle and extraordinary film that she made and the extraordinary work of christian. but there are also policy decisions that we should be expecting our leader to make to deal with white supremacy. the united states congress just
a few weeks ago by vote of 51-42 approved a judge for federal appellate court of appeals who ran a right wing blog and regularly linked to birther articles and articles from white nationalists websites. congress knew this. they are supposed to be looking at these judicial nominees and making sure that these judicial nominees are in the mainstream and are not extremists. the graph that christian talked about, the cabinet of the president and those surrounding him, this is congress' job to vigorously look during the confirmation pros at each and everyone of these individuals to make sure that they don't have these connections. finally here is the tough part. congress has to deal with and state legislatures have to deal with the reality of white supremacy in their own policies. sebastian gorka said there's no real white supremacy. supremacy is individuals denying the civil rights of others. well, we've had two federal judges just in the last year two, federal courts in the last
year identified two state legislatures, texas and north carolina that those federal courts said deliberately created voter i.d. laws for the purpose of discriminating against african americans and latino voters. when we see that, when we see state legislatures convening to pass voter suppression laws that is white supremacy. that is an effort to try and deny the civil price of african americans and latinos. if this is a moment for honestyf this is a moment where america is prepared to confront itself, it has to confront the reality of violent white extremists who are out and who are broken and who are marching in the streets. but we also have to recognize the role that we play and that elected leaders play in vet sething policies that further white paren civil for the purpose of their own political gain. my hope that congress and governors, legislatures will be prepared in this moment to take on the responsibility themselves of demonstrating that they want no traffic with white supremacy. >> dickerson: what's been the reaction, 46 million people have watched it but what -- tough
territory any of us who have reported or talked about what it is the reaction been for you? >> i got stopped by people in tears because they are happy i showed what really happened. i think it's important to let these white nationalists talk and explain their arguments so that we know what they are so that we can counter them. it's just critical i think to expose what they believe. because they are drawing in very young and we have to fight that. >> dickerson: christian, give me your personal story if you're talking about converting people who were broken, attach that to your own story. >> i was recruited into the white supremacist movement in 1987 when i was 14 years old. i joined america's first neonazi skinhead group, i was recruited by america's first neonazi skinhead. my parents were italian immigrants, they were victims. but they were immigrants they had to work very lard and i didn't see them very much. they worked seven days a week,
14 hours a day, i felt a sense of abandonment by my family. i went searching for that else w. the recruiter was very savvy at identifying my vulnerability and promising paradise, that's a common theme among extremist groups they bring you in, feed you pride then they take that pride and they turn it so that that pride turns into hate of the enemy. >> dickerson: at the end here let me ask you about the debate over monuments. couldn't leeza rice among others has said she was talking about names on buildings not monuments but basically said, this is a quote, i want us to have to look at those names and recognize what they did to be able to tell our kids that what they did. so those kids have a sense of their own history when you start wiping out your history, sanitizing your history to make you feel better it's a bad thing. that is nottish relation to this weekend but previous remarks she said. give me your sense of that and this debate that's happening.
>> what we put on monuments and what names we put on buildings, demonstrates that weigh revere. we honor those people when we make monuments to them. that is not about whether you're erasing history, you're still going to learn about the civil war and robert e. lee in schools. the question is, do you revere him? do you lift him up in the town square for children to see and to recognize as a hero. so that's just inaccurate no. one is trying to erase history. the question is in this country are we prepared to face that these people were not heroes, that they were traitors, this that he led us into some of the darkest days in our history. what should be lichting up those people who stitched us together, those people who sacrificed to make us one nation. those other individuals they can be in the history books just like they are in germany. you don't see monuments to hitler in germany. they learn about their history but don't revere in the public space those people who represent their darkest days. >> on her point, i don't think this was about statutes at all.
i think it was an excuse, just like the idea of free speech to have rally as a platform. that is absolutely snotty bout a statue. >> dickerson: we'll have to end it from thanks to all of you it from thanks to all of you we'll be right back with our politics panel. rces because there are limits to the amount of fossil fuels that we can burn. since 1925, we have depended on diesel generators, burning approximately a million gallons of diesel fuel a year. we're going through an energy revolution. our mission is to make off-shore wind one of the principle new sources of energy. not every bank is willing to get involved in a "first of its kind" project. citi really stepped up when we needed them. citi saw the promise of clean energy and they worked really closely with us, financing the first off-shore wind farm in the united states. the wind farm will lower power prices. we're polluting the air less. businesses and homes can rely on a steady source of power.
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chief of "the atlantic," jeffrey goldberg. and national review's executive editor reihan salam. jeffrey, start with you. the president's been involved in a lot of controversies he's been criticized by his party at times. is this a vast difference, is this just the latest in turnover things this president has done? >> it's a break but not the decisive break because the republicans in the main are still with him. even elected republicans who are privately disgusted. but on the other hand, it does represent a kind of a break. especially his equivocation on naziism. naziism is literal heat the easiest thing for american president to condemn. his instinct was to equivocate to, play a game where both sides have a point. i think that probably disgusted many republicans in way that previous behaviors have not. but people are still with him. >> dickerson: reihan, in terms of the people still with him, 6%
thought the president had republicans had said the right thing in terms of charlottesville. i certainly in my own reporting have talked to people, look, he denounced the kkk and white supremacists on monday and he pointed out accurately there was violence. give me your sense -- then finally they say this is just another pile on by the media. but now it's gotten to ha kind of obsessive overreach by the media. how do you sort through all of this? >> this weekend the president praised counter-protesters in boston for protesting against various neonazi white supremacist groups, et cetera. that is something that lots of folks who wanted him to condemn them early on, well this is just a throw away, this doesn't mean anything. it doesn't confirm their preexisting story about him. when he turns around equivocates then confirms very powerful narrative. this means that there's i semmit tree at work. it's there for a good reason.
people have very deep suspicions 'doubt donald trump for a good reason. if he's going to counter that he has to take very strong and clear action to convey, o that, no, i'm sincere when i say i'm on the side of those who are protesting against white nationalists, neonazi, kkk and the rest. the problem that he does these things -- he does enough to make people inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt the opportunity to say, he's actually trying to be reasonable here. people are not being fair to him. and i think that that is the tension, that's why you see the difference in the two constituencies. the other danger for republicans we could be at the beginning of a moral cascade. if you look at the opinion on same-sex marriage, circa 2006, one thing. it became something very different. in part because people who are opposed to same-sex marriage they frankly weren't always very disciplined in how they communicated or making their argument in the most persuasive possible way to people who are inclined to believe they weren't
motivated by bigotry. you may see something similar. if you believe that conuments about heritage, you have to be a lot more careful than lot of folks the president included have been. >> dickerson: jamelle, seems like the president in linking what happened in charlottesville to monuments is a challenge to somebody who might have the heritage. i've got e-mails from them this week who said, you know, they do feel support for history of robert e. lee but they feel like now because of this linkage they can't make the case. is it possible as reihan said for the president to say, to get on the other side of this? >> i think last saturday was decisive here. and this past tuesday were such through violations of what people think presidents should do, were such -- so frankly shocking to a lot of people that i'm not sure it's possible for him to recover back like, regroup make an argument here
that actually makes the case but doesn't apologize or gesture in that direction. i really think it's too late there. i want to add on the politics of this, that it's often seems like trump is not losing any support from his voters. but a recent poll that shows him basically in the mid 30s with his voters in michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin. and when asked if they were embarrassed by him, two-thirds of voters, registered voters in that state said that they were. so, i do think, this poll was taken over the last week. i do think that we are see -- harming him politically may not trickle up to elected officials but matter on the ground. >> dickerson: julie, another thing that happened to this week about how may affect republican officials, senator corker make a different argument. this wasn't just saying that the remarks about charlottesville
were wrong. but he lacked stability for the job. that did seem different. >> it was different. i think it's open secret in washington that republicans for months have questioned the president's temperament, questioned his competence, whether he can actually fulfill some of the basic functions of the job. what we saw this week is corker expressing that publicly. we at ap around the country talk to republicans in place like wisconsin, in south carolina, kentucky republican stronghold, over and over again we heard republicans saying things publicly that they had only been saying privately. it's important to note that those republicans did not have an action plan. there is no sense of a way forward here in terms of separating from president trump that is where this really gets down to, will republicans do something in terms of action that puts them at odds with the president or are they still going to fall in line we get into tax reform debate in the fall. >> dickerson: let's go do that, jeffrey. what are republicans spoke out
various different ways about the president this week, but do ther actions are being talked about, people are saying that certain white house advisors should leave. people are saying that republicans should be more specific or stay constant in their attacks on the presidency, what is realistic? >> is that nothing really is going to change, i don't think there's any appetite on the part of the republican party to engage in -- certainly zero. lot of people on the left assume that this presidency can't go on because of what they see is the quality of it. built this move toward more and more paralysis. 2019 is decisive. i think they are sitting there going -- that they don't have a plan. they pray every night that he doesn't tweet the following morning, that's their plan. >> the role of the president in our system is to be both the head of state and head of government. there's some presidents who have been great heads of state and
not great heads of government, you can jfk in that category and others. donald trump is not good at either one of those jobs that creates an opportunity potentially. if you are in congress, you literally have lost the ability, ability to legislate and be the leading institution in our government has atrophied. theoretically this could be an opportunity for congress to step up. the problem is that the ability to do that, the resource they need to do that, that intellectual and otherwise are not there. so, maybe they can step up, who knows. but that's along shot we're depending to get an agenda moved forward. >> dickerson: jamelle, democrats who this week have given even more reason not to give the president's party a win because they are both offended but also see political -- >> with infrastructure. actually get behind. the mere fact that working through deliver bipartisan when president trump foregoes that path for democrats who might be interested in some sort of
infrastructure but recognize, that harms their immediate short-term political prospects. i don't think necessarily that there's a bad decision to make for them in part because president trump has shown himself to be so transgressive on issues like racism, has shown himself to not be looking towards a united america but focusing on very specific base not offending that base even if that -- those people are offending many other people. democrats choosing to say, we're going to not work with trump for variety of moral and political reasons makes a lot of sense. >> i think it's important on the democratic front a lot of democratic activists, is that i talked to were energized but lot who are working on 2018 house and senate race, were a little more nervous because they recognize that in 12016 they ran on anti-trump message, focused on the questions of morality, some times, they feel like the party needs to get economic
message, that this focusing on this is not going to be enough. >> dickerson: steve bannon has he departedded make this explicit this argument that julie articulated as long as he said, democrats are talking about race, that's great for us because they're not talking about bread and butter economic issues. >> the argument for trump on the right we're not looking to this man for moral leadership rather we're looking because we see ourselves as being in a crisis situation. the alternative is being much worse. will trump be able to make that case? i couldn't rule it out. >> dickerson: the irony here, is interesting for trump's cultural supporters that the man has no noteworthy achievements. this date accelerating the demise of confederate statues. accelerating the end of southern romanticism and so, maybe some people who support him because of those things will understand over time that he's counter productive. >> on the economic side, the fact that the president and republicans have any significant accomplishments on that score,
come 2018 trying to make the argument that if you're a republican, listen, you know, you agreed -- economically, that hasn't shaken out yet. that i think will make an impact next year. it was during last year's election trump, because he had no record, could make these claims about the kind of economic issues, now he has a record he has to run on it. >> the question is, do people pay attention to policy debates so granular a fashion or do they pay attention to headline numbers. what's happening to job growth, exactly. even just unemployment and wage gains and what have you, we can separate the question whether or not he deserves the credit for it. he's barely been in office, right? the thing is, that is very powerful factor, if you look at 2010, look unemployment wend up. look between the next two years when barack obama got elected, it's that straight forward. >> dickerson: quickly on bannon.
what is your take? >> bannon has been in a precarious position last couple of weeks. i think he's going to be continue to be a force from the outside. he's going to be calling out this white house if they're not acting wrong the things on that white board. >> dickerson: 30 seconds. president is about to make a decision on afghanistan what should we look for. >> a little bit more of the same. he seems to be going down a conventional path of modest troop increase which is what the generals, his generals are asking him to do. the bannon right wanted a draw down. trump is now interested in afghanistan because he's been told there's a lot of mineral wealth under the ground he sees a return on the american investment in more troops. what we're going to see is more of the same. more pressure on pakistan which street actually useful thing. >> dickerson: okay. we've run out of time. thanks to all of you, especially the speed round. we'll be back with some thoughts on speaking out. who are these people?
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things. this created an opportunity for others. for clarity about hate there was a stampede, previous presidents spoke out against bigotry and race i am. five of the seven members of the joint chiefs of staff did. former house speaker newt gingrich saying good people don't march with neonazis. there was also grace from mark heyer the father of victim heather heyer. >> people need to stop hate and forgive each other. and i include myself in that in forgiving the guy did that did, he don't know no better. >> dickerson: followed by heather's mother without speech writers or experience found the words to testify to the meaning of her daughter's life and build a monument to it. >> i want to you pay attention, find what's wrong, don't ignore it, don't look the other way,
you make a point to look at it and say to yourself, what can i do to make a difference and that is how you're going to make my child's death worthwhile. >> dickerson: social media lit up with clips of that speech and then later images of the candlelight vigil held at the university of virginia. ♪ it was a collective ground swell from the public to put itself back in touch with the national values of equality and humanity. in the absence of one voice there was a chorus. ♪ let it shine, let it shine ♪ back in a moment. david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations
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