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captioning sponsored by cbs >> dickerson: today on "face the nation," tensions between north korea and the rest of the world build as president trump says we're not out of options. >> i am more confident than ever that our options in addressing this threat are both effective and overwhelming. >> dickerson: but what are those option is are rs we'll talk with rex tillerson, plus senate armed service committee chairman john mccain as the president prepares to take center stage at the united nations this week. plus, we'll preview ken burns and lynn novick ten-part documentary, the vietnam war, which premiers tonight on pbs. we'll ask what lessons were learned in turbulent times then that can help us now. and finally, news and political analysis a week after hurricane irma devastated florida,
residents of the keys are able to return to the hardest hit neighborhood. protest spark over acquittal of white policeman who shot a black man in st. louis. on the political front president trump continues to hurdle with top democrats in the hopes of making a deal to cover the children of undocumented immigrants. sparking anger among some of his own party. all coming up on "face the nation." good morning welcome to face the make i'm john dickerson. we'll get to the story that dominated news coverage most of last week, that of the aftermath of hurricane irma. but there's lot of other news coming up this morning so we'll
begin by talking to secretary of state rex tillerson, welcome. let me start with the paris climate accord. the wall street journal reported that the administration was looking for a way to stay in it but in june, president trump said, it was time to exit. so what is the administration's position? >> well, the position is being led and developed over at the national economic council. i think if you recall the
president also said, look, we are willing to work with partners in the paris climate accord if we can construct a set of terms that we believe is fair and balanced for the american people. and recognizes our economy, our economic interest relative to others in particular the second largest economy in the world, china. if you look at those targets and terms of the paris climate accord they were just out of balance for the two largest economys, so i think the plan is for director cohen to consider other ways which we can work with partners in the paris climate accord. we want to be productive, we want to be helpful. the u.s. has tremendous track record on reducing our own degrees house gas emissions. >> dickerson: there's a chance that if things get worked out both on voluntary side from the u.s., voluntary restrictions for u.s. but there's chance the u.s. could stay in the accord is that right? >> under the right conditions the president said he's open to finding those conditions where we can remain engaged with others on what we all agree is still a challenging issue.
>> dickerson: move on to north korea, this week the u.n. increased sanctions against north korea but then they fired another missile, what's next? >> first i think it's important to understand the policy of the united states toward north korea to deny position of a nuclear weapon and deliver to deliver that weaponful our strategy has been to undertake this peaceful pressure campaign we call it, enabled by the four no. the being that we do not seek regime change, do not seek the regime collapse, do not seek accelerated reunion any occasion of the peninsula or reason to isn't our forces north of the demilitarized zone. the peaceful pressure campaign is built around putting together the largest and strongest international coalition we can to send the same message to north korea and to north korea's neighbor, china and russia that is the policy. you've seen that expressed in two unanimous security resolution to impose the
strictest sanctions ever. all of that designed to bring north korea to the table for constructive productive dialogue. if our diplomatic efforts fail, though, our military option, we'll be the only one left. all of this is backed up by a very strong and resolute military option but be clear, we seek a peaceful solution to this. >> dickerson: so, going back to those four nos, those are message to north korea that despite fact north korea says the u.s. has aggressive aim, united states doesn't have aggressive aim, you've been clear about that, clear this morning not getting the message, are they? >> it's also to assure china that is also the u.s. policy as well. as you well know china has concerns about regime collapse in particular and impact it might have along their border. that is also to assure their government of china that that is not our agenda, either. in an effort to bring them as part of our effort, they have joined us in these most recent sanctions both at the u.n., we
believe china and russia as welk bring a plot of pressure to bear on north korea. >> dickerson: what direct action does china need to take? >> there are two particular economic revenue streams to the north koreans are quite important to their ability to fund their weapons programs. and to maintain their economic activity just within their own country. one, of course, is energy. no economy can function if it does not have access to energy. china is the principle supplier of oil to north korea they have cut off oil supplies in the past within things got bad. we're asking china to use that leverage they have with north korea to influence them. in the case of russia it's foreign labors, russia has over 30,000 foreign laborers, from north korea those wages all go back to the regime in north korea. >> dickerson: china says cut off oil will lead to that collapse. anything the u.s. can do to allay their fears? >> what we said, you have the best information, you have your
hand on the bow. you set where it's going to create the message that you want to send to this regime that they must change the path they're on. so we're leaving it incline that's hands at this point. >> dickerson: and why not just start talking now, they have all said the u.s. should solve this with talks at the diplomatic table. >> i'm waiting for the regime of north korea to give us some indication that they're prepared to have constructive, productive talks. we have tried a couple of times to signal for them that we're ready when they're ready. they responded with more missile launches and nuclear test. all they need to do to let us know they're ready to talk to stop these tests, stop those provocative actions and lower the threat level and the rhetoric. >> dickerson: do they need to stop them, give them two weeks or say, we're going to stop. does it have to be a verbal promise? >> i've said in the past, john, that we'll know it when we see it in terms of their seriousness. >> dickerson: if china doesn't
do what you think is necessary either on oil question or anything else, are trade measures in order to punish china to put pressure on china? >> the president has been very clear that he views this threat of north korea as ever growing, as we've watched each missile test and each nuclear test their program is advance, it's advancing technologically and capabilities. we've said from the beginning we don't have a lot of time left. we don't have a runway left to land this plane on so we need china's assistance to bring them to the table. >> dickerson: this week the president is going out to the united nations and going to speak. he's talked about an america first policy, one he's talked about. united nations is a collective action group how does america first fit into a group -- organization that exist through collective action? >> it's a very important week for the president and the u.n. general assembly. there are two aspects of his participation up there. one is his major speech that he will give to the general assembly, the world will be
listening, american people will be listening. the message he's going to deliver in that speech is first he's going to promote and advocate for the strength of democratic values, going to reinforce that it is those shared values that bind our alliances together. and that have kept the world a stable place. so he is going to be advocating for those values and the protection of those values. then going to be making the case that those values are under attack. they're under attack from threats that we just spoke about in north korea, they're under attack from threats of iranian destabilizing efforts, they're under attack by others who would undermine our democratic values, he is going to be very clear in terms of his view that that is what brings us together. that's what binds these nations together, makes us the most powerful and also creates stable world. then he's going to address these specific threats of north korea, iran, terrorism, global terrorism and why it is important that all of us come together and confront these as a unified body.
i think he does believe the united nations can be a very important instrument of addressing these threats to the world, but i think he also takes the view that the united nations has fallen short and he wants to motivate them in that regard. >> dickerson: let me ask you about iran, has to notify congress whether iran is in compliance with the nuclear deal arranged by the previous administration, you say they are not in compliance, british foreign minister says they are. are there any other people who believe that ivan not in compliance with the nuclear deal? >> my view on the nuclear deal they are in technical clients of the nuclear arrangement. but if you go back and read the reamble to the jcpo, the nuclear agreement there clearly was expectation between the parties, negotiators from the western parties as well as iran that by dealing with this nuclear threat we would lower the tension between iran and the rest of the world and create conditions for iran to rejoin the community of nations as a productive country
that wants stability and wants peace and prosperity in the region. that's why all these sanctions were lifted. but since the nuclear deal has been concluded what we have witnessed is iran has stepped up destabilizing activities in yemen and syria, exports arms to hose and other terrorist groups and continues to conduct very active ballistic missile. none that have i believe is consistent with that preamble commitment that was made by everyone. >> dickerson: very quickly, did there not a nuclear power you're dealing with north korea why not do one thing at a time, why take on potentially take on iran on that question, why not leave that for another day, you have pretty serious thing with north korea right in front of you. >> it's important when you consider the iranian relationship how we view it as i said, have said to others in europe, consider our full breadth of our relationship. that is what the president has said as well, we have lot of issues with iran, they're a yard long, the nuclear issue is only
one foot of that yard. we have two feet of other issues that we must deal with and it has to do with iran's destabilizing activities. >> dickerson: on cuba, senators suggested closing down the beam see there. >> we have it under evaluation. it's a very serious issue with respect to the harm that certain individuals have suffered. we've brought some of those people home. it's under
review. >> dickerson: mr. secretary, thank you so much for your time. >> my pleasure. >> my pleasure. dickerson: we'll be back in one minute with arizona senator one minute with arizona senator john mccain. customer traffic? t can we push the offer online? brian, i just had a quick question. brian? brian... legacy technology can handcuff any company. but "yes" is here. you're saying the new app will go live monday?! yeah. with help from hpe, we can finally work the way we want to. with the right mix of hybrid it, everything computes.
>> dickerson: we're back with the chairman of the senate armed service committee senator john mccain. welcome. your reaction to secretary of state, u.s. wants to sit down at the table with north korea. >> well, you know, this is one of the longest standing crises that we have faced three previous administrations tried to make deals with north korea in order to stop the steady progress they have been making
towards the acquisition of nuclear power -- excuse me, nuclear weapons and means to deliver them. and i'm all for us going back to the table. but i'm not sure that we aren't facing a serious situation here of two options, one nuclear armed north korea or with -- so we would prevent them from the further acquisition. so, it seems china is very important and yet we can't revisit that same old scenario we had before. we're going to have to do number of things including incredible emphasis on missile defense, south korea and our own missile defense system since there is the scenario, you never know exactly where it is they can strike the united states of america and alaska, that is both of those are unacceptable options. so, i think missile defense, i think influence china to --
which china has never done, this is probably one of the most serious international crises, national security crises we face. >> dickerson: give me your assessment of the administration, secretary tillerson suggested today all this is backed up by a swift military capability, everybody talked how tough those options are. but give me your sense of how soon that capability could be put into operation. other analysts have said take a long time for the u.s. to actually move militarily, what's your sense of the timeline? >> i think it's difficult but i think we are making sure that we have the capability as far as militarily and south korea but also the emphasis now has to be on missile defense to a large degree. i have great confidence in our capability to develop counter missile capability. we don't have that right now. when some analysts are saying that they have already capability to hit the united
states of america. >> dickerson: you're working hard on defense reauthorization in the senate. there have been a number of incidents, eight so far including one on uss john mccain named after your father and grandfather. you said this on the senate floor this week. this is you, we are killing more of our own people in training than our enemies are in combat. why is that happening? >> it's because of the thing called sequestration and our failure over the last eight years to make sure our military is prepared, equipped, trainedful, whenever you cut defense capabilities the first thing that goes is the training and the readiness and -- because that's easy enough to cancel if it's a new weapon system or something of significant impact then that's a lot harder. the first thing that goes is that. so our readiness continues to suffer and the training that they need very badly is not there. and i would add to that, adding
on all this political correctness stuff, with a shri shrinking military. when you really look how much time they have in actual training and readiness it's continued to shrink. so we have accident after accident after accident. we are killing more americans in uniform in training than we are than engagement with the enemy. >> dickerson: can that be fixed? >> it can be fixed in the defense authorization as far as authorizing. the appropriations, the money side is still on the decline and we have to fix that and i would quote none less an expert than chairman of the joint chiefs of staff who saidf we don't turn this around within five years our adversaries will have caught up with us in capabilities. we don't want to do that. we don't want to do that to the men and women who are serving. we don't fund them adequately, i
get overheated at this, we put their lives in danger. don't we have responsibility for these young men and women and their families. i called the families of the ten that were killed on uss mccain. i tell that you is one of the most heartbreaking things that you can do. and if we're going to ask young men and women to voluntarily serve in the military we better -- our part of the barring town provide them as much as we can and as much as they need in order to operate in the most safe manner. >> dickerson: you supported on friday a bill that would prevent president trump from implementing a bill on transgender, give me your -- >> first of all, i think that transgender people are in the military and to somehow tell them along with the dream that's right they have to leave the military, which is short of qualified personnel, i believe that a study is going on right
now conducted by general mattis as to the whole issue, one, we wait untail is completed. and finally, what do we tell those young men and women who are transgender that are serving, that they're out? same thing with the dreamers, there's 900 dreamers in iraq and afghanistan right now, what if we tell them -- go to them say, hey, pack up, you have to go back to el salvador? that's just not fair. >> dickerson: quickly two other issues, president is working on bipartisan approach, what do you make of that? >> i'm interested in that, of course. this president always full of surprises. but the problem is, john, it shouldn't be bipartisanship it would be both republican, democrat and the president. so yes he surprised the republicans with the deal that he made with chuck and nancy, what should take place is the three of them both leaders
republican and democrat and the president sit down and say, okay, we got a problem here. we need to fix it. and that means that we can come up with all three of us in one solid proposal. why did obamacare fail? obamacare was ran through with democrats' votes only, it ran through our proposal with democrats and the president, that's not the way to do it. we've got to go back, if i could just say again, the way to do this is have a bill, put it through the committee. we have patty murray and lamar alexander, bring it to the floor. have amendments, we passed our bill 27-0 armed services committee. >> dickerson: thank you. >> i had more to say. dickerson: we'll get you back then. we'll be back in a moment with we'll be back in a moment with ken burns and lynn novick codirectors of "the vietnam war."
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>> dickerson: tonight the ten-part documentary series "the vietnam war" premiers on pbs. joining us codirectors ken burns and lynn novick. ken and lynn, there's been a lot done on the vietnam war but what is so interesting you've done tell the story of the north vietnamese as well. i want to play a compelling clip of american soldier and north vietnamese then talk to you about it after we watch it. >> every major contact i remember with the mva was initiated by them ambushing us. outnumbered us and we were fighting in their yard. they knew the ground, we didn't. they were just really good.
>> the north vietnamese carried soviet-made seemingly indestructionible ak-47s. the marines had to fight with newly issued m16 rifles that had for a time a potentially fatal design flaw. they needed constant cleaning and often jammed in the middle of fire fights. their rifles worked, our didn't. the m16 was a piece of [ bleep ] you cantle your bullets at the enemy have them be effective. and that rifle malfunctioned on us repeatedly.
>> my hatred for them was pure. i hated them so much. i was so scared. i was terrified of him. the scareder i got the more i hated them. >> dickerson: so much going on in there, ken. the meeting was that always the plan? >> yes. i think that what americans talk about the vietnam war, which we do a lot or also ignore it we
talk only about ourselves f. we really want to understand it, ask the fundamental or try to answer the fundamental questions what happened, you've got to triangulate, know what is going on. we have many bottles where you have soldiers, american advisors or their counterparts and viet-cong, you have to get in there and understand what they're thinking. amazing thing in this film how similar our marines and army guys sound to viet-cong and the mva. >> dickerson: ask you about that similarities. doing the interviews, what struck you when you were talking? >> yes, i had the chance to go to vietnam multiple times to do a lot of the interviews there with people -- kept hearing the same echo of things that american soldiers experience. just an openness to tell their story and whether they never speak about it in vietnam. what the war was really like. the war there is this grand victorious without people in it.
the people who survived want the next generation to know how terrible it was, how difficult it was. they are very interested in communicating with each other and with americans at this point. we were the beneficiaries of that openness. it was incredible. >> dickerson: any questions from one side to the other through your work? >> yes. they were very interested to know, what was it like for the americans, do they know where we were? sort of just what were the conditions that they fought in, there's a lot of back and forth. we'd love to put them all in a room. >> dickerson: we'll continue this conversation but we need to take a quick break, we'll take a break we'll be back in our second half hour with much more from ken burns and lynn novick. if your station does not continue immediately with "face the nation" we'll have second part of our interview on our website, cbsnews.com just as quickly as we can. helping keep shoppers safe. this is a financial transaction secure from hacks and threats others can't see. this is a skyscraper whose elevators use iot data
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>> dickerson: we'll be right back with a lot more "face the nation" including more on the vietnam war and our political panel and update on how florida is recovering from hurricane irma. stay with us. [fbi agent] you're a brave man, mr. stevens. your testimony will save lives. mr. stevens? this is your new name. this is your new house. and a perfectly inconspicuous suv.