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captioning sponsored by cbs >> brennan: it's sunday may 13th i'm margaret brennan this is "face the nation." in a week where u.s. diplomacy took a giant step backwards. dash. >> this was a horrible one sided deal that should have never, ever been made. >> brennan: efforts to cross a new relationship ahead of the summit with north korea took a big step forward. they invited reporters to witness the dismantling of their main nuclear test site. mike pompeo traveled there to bring home the detape he's they were greeted. but as north korea really serious, what impact will the u.s. breaking the agreement with iran have on a new one.
we'll ask secretary of state pompeo. the fall out from the president's desection to nix the iran deal is already being felt in the mid east as u.s. allies scramble to craft away forward with the iranians. we'll have reports from tehran, gaza and jerusalem where the controversial new u.s. embassy is scheduled to open tomorrow. we'll also speak with south carolina republican lindsey graham. response to the cruel comments from the white house aide about his close friend john mccain who is battling brain cancer. we'll sit down with former defense secretary robert gates and we'll have analysis on all the news coming up on "face the nation." >> brennan: good morning. tensions are rising in the mid east we have three reports from the region we begin with elizabeth palmer in tehran.
after the u.s. pull out, what efforts are being made to salvage what is left of the nuclear deal. >> the iranian foreign minister left iran yesterday, he with the to beijing first, heading to russia then going to europe. basically is going to ask the other five countries to guarantee what iran most wants from a nuclear deal, that is access to international capital and banking. these are things that the u.s. is signalling it's going to try to block under new sanctions. he is basically asking these other five countries to do an end run around upcoming u.s. sanction s. >> how are iranian citizens following through? >> the decision, they and everybody else are actually much more angry with their own government, they're fed up
because they haven't had salary in creases, no job, there's corruption, most of all iranian government can offer nothing but a bleak future. i've never heard people so angry here. the moment the government is keeping a lid on protests that laugh been anywhere, anyone's guess how long they can maintain civility. >> brennan: thanks, liz. the official opening of the u.s. embassy threat tones make relations between them worse. bring in cbs news foreign correspondent haley williams and seth doane. seth, let's start with you. >> good morning, this embassy moving comes at a sense tough time and coincides with awn this of evidence itself colluding the 0th anniversary, something that isry lease celebrate and palestinians mourn. the protests have been growing. they're expected to culminate in gaza, encouraged the supporters
to storm the border. that is something that the israeli military is bracing for they have snipers, also possessioned forces inside settlements and they have doubled the number of troops alongside gaza and the west bank. though say they are determined to try to stop palestinian protesters from infiltrating. they have to walk a very fine line. don't want to see things escalate, do not want to see things more images of palestinian casualties broadcast on televisions around the world. here in jerusalem, poster are up celebrating this move and thanking president trump moving the embassy. >> thank you. what do you see in gaza? >> good morning. we are here in gaza when palestinian clashed with them on the border. they have condemned the move of the u.s. embassy to jerusalem because they hosted it will be
their capital if they ever get their own state. many demonstrators threw rocks. others stormed and damaged fuel and gas pipelines. they closed that crossing point and fuel shortages are expected. israeli shoulders fired live ammunition, killed more than 40 palestinians, including a 16-year-old boy who died of his wounds yesterday according to officials. last night israeli says it bombed upped ground tunnel built by ha mass. and similar have been used to attack israel. the palestinian protesters seem to be driven by hang anger and frustration. has made this poverty-stricken place even hordes pratt they have to contend with nearly 50%
unemployment, frequent power cuts and contaminated water. >> thank you both. >> brennan: welcome mike pompeo our first
guest here at the new "face the nation" studio. mr. secretary, thank you for joining us. >> great to be with you. happy mother's day, beautiful studio. >> it's been extraordinary week for you on many fronts. i want to ask you about north korea they have in the past pledged to -- they are going to do it again is this latest pledge significant? >> well, my trip was designed to lay the ground work to president for the president's meeting for june 12th. we have seen this happen before, we have eyes wide open with the respect that the north koreans have not proved worthy of their promises. but we're hope half this will be different. that we won't do the traditional model where they do something, we give them a bunch of money. and then both sides walk away.
we're hoping this will be bigger, different, faster our ask is complete and total denuclearization. it is the president's intention to do that. he said, we'll see if that works but setting conditions for successful meeting between the two leaders. >> brennan: have you defined denuclearization? >> full, complete. stopping all enrichment, getting inspectors on the ground. >> yes, ma'am. same deal with iran. >> brennan: you've talked about making it worth north korea's while if they follow you. john bolton said on another network that no one should look to the u.s. for aid. >> that's correct. >> brennan: how do you reconcile? >> no, ma'am, very consistent. what chairman kim will get is our finest. our entrepreneurs, our risk ta takers are capital providers not taxpayers. they will get private capital that comes in north court reis
in need of agricultural equipment and technology. finest from the midwest that i come from. we can deliver that. and as i said earlier this week, we can create conditions for real economic prosperity for the north korean people that will rifle that of of the south. that is our expectation. won't be u.s. taxpayers. it will be american no how, knowledge, entrepreneurs, risk takers working alongside the north korean people. >> brennan: sanction relief. make it possible to invest directly. >> if we get denuclearization. certainly. nor man that. there will be -- the president has a commitment, he will make this commitment to chairman kim i am confident if you do the things we need to do so that america is no longer held at risk by your nuclear weapons arsenal, you get rid of your cbw program and missiles that
threaten, we'll ensure that your people have opportunity for greatness that i know chairman kim wants them to have. >> brennan: not many secretary of state they brought americans home on second week on the job or been to north korea in six weeks. i'm wondering this you're interactions with kim, you've had them. have you assured them ha the u.s. isn't trying to ask him fo. >> i have told him what president trump wants to see the north korean regime get rid of nuclear weapons program, completely and totality and exchange for that we are prepared to ensure that the north korean people get the opportunity they so richly deserve. pretty straight wore ward. i said earlier, i think in that sense chairman kim shares that same objective. i think he understands that president trump has put an enormous pressure campaign in place with the aim of achieving a good outcome for north korea
and its people. that's the american goal that trump. >> brennan:@u.s. no longer beliefs that kim jong-un is holding on to secure his place in power? in other words, you are saying no regime change? >> only time will tell these negotiations will proceed. the president uses language that says, we'll see. still a lot of work to do. the american leadership under president trump has its eyes wide open. we won't be successful, it's possible. we acknowledge that. we've watched this fail before but the model that has been here, we're hopeful that we'll get a fundamentally different outcome. >> brennan: what will this sum it look like. >> i don't know. we're working on details that the actual blocking and tackling. we've been working on them for weeks. we'll have teams working on them in the days and weeks ahead. we've got 30 days i guess it is. there will be great deal of work
done between our two countries between now and then to set the stage for what we hope will be very successful visit in singapore between our two leaders. >> brennan: still figuring out the protocol. but you spent time with him. what struck you a he bout him? >> he is very knowledgeable in the sense that he knows the files. he's very capable of engaining gauging in complex set of discussions. when i ask him a question about something that's a little off he answers no. it is chairman kim in this case interacting with me directly, having robust discussion of what the outlines of a successful negotiation between our two countries might ultimately be. >> brennan: you brought the three americans home. they are still four americans being held in iran, their families are concerned that tearing up this diplomacy puts them at risk. what can you tell them? >> two things. first, everyone should know that this administration is intent on bringing home every american who is held anywhere in the world.
we've got people in turkey we need to get back. we have others held in iran and syria, we're working diligently get each back. with respect to whether the actions of this past week with respect to the jcpoa i think that is ludicrous. the iranian bad behavior increased, it only increased during the time. >> brennan: are you willing to carry out prisoner swap some. >> i can't answer that question. we exchange anything for these north koreans, they came back because chairman kim thought it was in his best interest. we're thankful for that. we're hopeful that mr. rouhani. would under pay to release the iranian detain knees as well. he talks about the fact that he wants european business, least key do to return all of the people that his country, mr. rouhani's country also? >> brennan: a number of our european allies, you know,
you've had difficult conversations have been frustrated that the u.s. cut short the diplomacy. they said in conversation with you last friday assured them that they had -- they were close to this deal to address things president trump was worried about. why not try it? why not finish that. why did the president cut that off? >> we did try. the president set out a set of objectives, tasked me in my first couple weeks to work to do it. the work had been ongoing. in no time were we able to reach agreement. the europeans wouldn't help. they had some 90 days 20 do so. to work at it. and you should know we will continue to work, president trump and president macron we want a deal that is right, we will be hard at that in the weeks ahead. i hope to be central part, it
would be wonderful thing if we could get the europeans to do this. i do want to add this. fundamentally what's happened during the time. jcpoa was that the iranian wealth creation fueled their 'mined behavior the money they that had to launch missiles, putting americans at risk, was provided by economic benefits they got from the jcpoa. president trump wants them to starve them of that wealth. >> brennan: are you trying to negotiate new nuclear deal or trying to put together a coalition to defeat iran? >> we're going to put together a coalition that pushes back against iran's nuclear program, which by the way they still deny. no iranian leader admitted they have weapons deal. they have to at least be honest about that. not just the nuclear file. their missile program, their effort to build, threats against israel, work that they're doing to launch missiles into saudia arabia.
this is the activity that they have undertaken during the jcpoa. we're going to make a shift. we're going to deny them the economic wealth wealth that has been created and put real pressure to stop the full scale of the sponsorship of terrorism
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are you satisfied with how the white house has responded? >> no, not really it's pretty disgusting thing to say, if it was a joke it was terrible joke. i just wish somebody from the white house would tell the country that was inappropriate, it's not who we are and the trump administration and john mccain can be criticized for any political decision he's ever made or any vote he's ever cast but he's an american hero. and i think most americans would like to see the trump administration do better in situations like this. it doesn't hurt you at all to do the right thing and to be big. >> brennan: should the president himself apologize? >> i'll leave that up to him. but if something happened like that in my office, somebody in my office said such a thing a thing about somebody i'd apologize on behalf of the office. >> brennan: let's turn to the middle east when you were on this program back in march you said president trump doesn't have a strategy to contain iran
that do you think president trump has a strategy now? >> he's got a strategy to deny iran a pathway to, 15 years from now all the restrictions on their uranium program go away. they can enrich and reprocess uranium and plutonium without limitation. getting out of the agreement i think stops a nuclear arms race but when it comes to containing iran on the ground and steer syria and other places. we don't have much of a strate strategy. >> brennan: how does exiting the existing deal to freeze the nuclear program stop iran from getting a bomb. many would say the president didn't present an alternative to cut off all the pathways. >> the passage of time they can have industrial strength enrichment program and every arab nation in the region has said that this deal is terrible. it means that iran one day will get a bomb without cheating. israel believes it's a bad deal.
i believe it's a bad deal. >> brennan: they were very disappointed president trump didn't allow them to broker this side deal to address what you are talking about but still preserve the deal. they say this is really damaged relations with neuron. >> here is what i ed. this deal you made was terrible in the eyes of everybody in the region. the closer you are to iran the worse this deal is. so i hope we can find a new deal. what would a new deal look like? nuclear power available to the iranians, without having capability to make a weapon. if all iran wants to nuclear power program they can have it. if they want enrichment capability unlimited in nature the answer is, no. >> brennan: do you believe that john bolton actually wants another diplomatic deal? our allies got that. >> i think they do. i think they want a deal where iran cannot overpassage of time develop a nope. the current deal is terrible.
they took $150 billion they didn't spend it on hospital, roads and bridges they rebuilt the military, dismembering the mid east, hijacked sailors, how much has to happen before you realize iran is not getting better they're getting worse. how many times do they have to fire missiles on before you believe they are up to no good. cancel this deal get a better one where they can have nuclear power. let me just say this. if they try to enrich again, try to go big in terms of enrichment, then i think that is a -- where the state of israel dab are -- >> brennan: do you believe that the two state solution is dead some. >> no. because it can't be. if you had one state that was jewish in nature, eventually you'd have to have some kind of 'par tie where they couldn't feet. two states means a jewish state with an arab component, a
palestinian state living in dignity side by side. the they are divided. you have ha mass controlling gaza. palestinian authority controlling the west bank, gaza is a rocket launching factory against israel. until the palestinians reconcile under one flag they will never be peace. >> brennan: if president trump can pull off a deal does he need congressional consent for a treaty? >> i would urge the president if he can negotiate an agreement with kim jong-un that he takes that agreement and sends it to the senate i think that would be good thing to do, this is historic opportunity but if the past is any indication of the future, you got to watch north korea like a hawk. i do believe they're at the table because they see different person in donald trump they believe if he had to, trump would use military force, china certainly believes that. >> brennan: sect pompeo said that u.s. is willing to help
north korea achieve prosperity if they denuclear lies. >> the best money we ever spent. if you could really get north korea give up nuclear program they would be lot of support in congress to give north korea better life, provide aid, with one condition that you give up your phelps program and verifiable way when it comes to north korea a lot of congressional support. the average north koreans is shorter than friends in neighbors in south korea because of the terrible conditions. >> brennan: you would want troops to stay at current levels? >> stay in south korea to stabilize the region. china is moving around. stay close to our allies in asia. but if you had a peace treaty that ended the korean war, verifiable agreement where north
korea gave up their phelps than they could prove it i'd leave up to the president if they want to dues troops. i don't want a war with north korea. best thing to happen which give up phelps, i'm not trying to spread dark. >> brennan: senator thank you for your time. we'll be back in a moment. thank you clients? well jd power did just rank them highest in investor satisfaction with full service brokerage firms...again. and online equity trades are only $4.95... i mean you can't have low cost and be full service. it's impossible. it's like having your cake and eating it too. ask your broker if they offer award-winning full service and low costs. how am i going to explain this? if you don't like their answer, ask again at schwab. schwab, a modern approach to wealth management.
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>> brennan: earlier this week we traveled to the college of william and mary to speak with former defense secretary and cia director bob gates. that interview will come up in our next half hour. tomorrow jeff glor will anchor the evening news from jerusalem, covering the opening of the new american embassy and interview prime minister benjamin netanyahu. for "face the nation" we'll be back in a moment.
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antonio for governor. >> brennan: welcome back i'm margaret brennan. former cia director robert gates served eight presidents, working on nearly every national security issue that america faces. when we spoke at william and mary friday i asked gates whether he thought north korean leader was serious about dismantling the country's nuclear program. >> i think he's serious about this. i think he sees an opportunity, as did we. i think the president's tough talk and the willingness of the chinese and russians to agree to toughest sanctions we've ever really applied to north korea certainly increased the pressure on the north koreans to come to the table. i think he also feels that he's at a point with his nuclear programnd ballistic missile
program that he can at least for some period of time go without testing and test the u.s. administration and see what might happen. i think it's very complicated. they have a nuclear enterprise that is dramatically larger than iran's, miles and miles of tunnels, multiple sites, existing nuclear weapons. so, getting to genuine denuclearizization is a. >> rose: kate. >> unpredictability as a leader. do you see that unpredictability as asset in this case. >> i think that the unpredictability in terms of some of the tweets and tough talk did get the attention of the north koreans and chinese as well. in terms of fire and fury and so on. my view is generally that tactical unpredictability is good is an asset.
is probably not good idea. >> brennan: where would you put the president's unpredictability. >> that's not clear yet. >> brennan: what is he able to offer as some kind of incentive to negotiate away his weapons? >> i think the president goes in with a lot of cards to play. a peace treaty, diplomatic recognition, guarantee that the united states would not try to overthrow the regime by force. the whole panoply of economic sanction, is that have been put on. he has a lot to negotiate with. >> brennan: if the president gets something in hand this the north koreans do you think he has to go to congress to get approval of it? >> i think he should. he just do these things by executive agreement. first of all that doesn't make it the law of the land for the next president. the next president with the stroke of pen can overturn it just as president trump has done with the iran deal. >> brennan: that would mean to include inspectors on the ground
in north korea that would need to include kim jong-un dismantling some of thinks nuclear program. is the benchmark here at least what was negotiated in the iran deal and president has to go beyond that? >> well, it's at least that. when you have a program as expansive as the north you have to have any time, any place inspections. you have to have huge numbers of inspectors that can go around the country and can observe destruction of facilities. what who can monitor that they stay destroyed they aren't being rebuilt somewhere else in secret. so the magnitude of the monitoring and verification of any agreement would be, i think, order of magnitude more complicated and bigger than is the case and has been the case in iran. >> brennan: where do you put the odds at success at? >> at of immediate success very low. but the odds of getting
something accomplished over a longer period of time and kind of step by step approach beginning with what the president has already gotten in termsheir willingness to talk and cessation of the testing and so on, looks at the world he sees that -- saddam never had nuclear weapons, he's dead, his regime is on. kim says, why would i give up my nuclear weapons? so, i think you have to change the strategic environment for kim actually to be willing to consider giving up his nuclear weapons. >> brennan: what is the immediate impact of exiting the iran nuclear deal? >> well, i think in the short term isolates the united states. i think it was a flawed agreement. we were supposed to get any time, any place inspections. and to have an inspections regime where the iranians can
say you can't look at any of our military facilities, where would you most logically put us, a nuclear program except on military facility. >> brennan: do you think president trump breaking a u.s. commitment to this international agreement will have implications that are negative? >> i do. i absolutely do. my own view would have been better to at least for another six months. lay down an ultimatum to our allies. and say, either you join us very heavy penalties against iranians for ballistic missile program. and you join us in resisting iranian meddling in the middle east. you either you help us or i will walk away from this agreement. i think we could have pushed the europeans a lot harder to work with us and then in six months basically if they hadn't done that then you would be in much
stronger position. as it is now, at least for the time being, we're the country that is isolated. >> brennan: you had privately cautioned against the appointment of john bolton now he is within the administration. what are your concerns about advice he's giving the president? >> well, i think there's a difference between being a television commentator and having responsibilities of office. and i've seen this happen a lot. one thing that has struck me is that the process that they seem to be working better. in terms of documentation of things. of positions being taken. he's clearly got strong relationship with both -- developed a strong relationship with secretary mattis and obviously with secretary pompeo. so i think in that sense the president is probably better
served because there's less infighting, if you will, within the administration. >> brennan: you were at the cia for 26 years do you agree that gina haspel is patriot. but is disqualifying for her be director? >> no, i don't think it's disqualifying. i think that i worry about presentism. i think you have to go back to 2001-2002 and the horror that people in the administration felt people were terrified about when the next attack was coming. and only with the retrospect of 17 years of no foreign-based major attack taking place again can we go back and revisit these things. i don't know miss haspel.
but by all accounts she's had an extraordinary career, very distinguished career, has really served her country well. and i think to say she should not be director of cia today in the absence of any evidence she did anything wrong, 15 or so years ago, i think is a mistake. >> brennan: how do you assess president trump at this point of his presidency? >> i think the jury is still out. so to speak. >> brennan: you moved away from your initial criticism of him in 2016. >> i am concerned about the way he's treated our allies. by the same token i think that his tougher approach to north korea has paid dividends. we'll see how many they pay over how long time. his tough talk with the europeans has accomplished
something that all of the rest of us who berated them for not spending enough on defense they are beginning to increase defense spending. so, it's not an entirely one sided picture in my view. >> brennan: thank you very much. >> pleasure. >> brennan: will be on website at facethenation.com. we'll be back with our panel. the kenya tea development agency is an organization that is owned by tea farmers. every week we sell this tea, we get paid in multiple accounts. we were looking for a bank to provide a safe and efficient technology platform to pay our farmers. citi was the only one that was able to ensure that this was done seamlessly. and today, at the touch of a button, all the farmers are able to get their money,
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>> brennan: our panel. dan builds is chief correspondent for the war wash post. like to welcome. salena zito the national political reporter for "the washington examiner." and the author of the great revolt. inside the populous coalition reshaping american politics. jeffrey goldberg editor in chief of "the atlantic" and welcome. seung min kim, a reporter for the "washington post" who covers the white house from capitol hill. welcome to the show. >> thank you. >> brennan: let's start with you. you heard bob gates say that gina haspel shouldn't be la theoreied for any past tougher program that the u.s. undertook or entansed -- enhanced interrogation. does she have the votes? >> things are looking good. offer the weekend we saw another democrat say he would support her. so, looking at the numbers right now i think one question mark, potential republican defection is jeff flake of arizona who told us on call tall hill over
last week sees thinking about what senator mccain said about haspel's nomination last week. but aside from that, you have at least two democrats who are supporting her so her prospects look very good. >> brennan: that comment from john mccain basically saying there shouldn't be any kind of question that discounts morality of torture that any connection is too much to vote yes. >> that's correct. you see absence of senator mccain in so many ways on capitol hill but senate armed services, he wasn't able to question her. as we what we call, while his statement was very strong it would have been interesting to see how he she should have fared. >> brennan: we heard from the new secretary of state at the start of the program. mike pompeo, did it surprise you when he said he doesn't know whether he'll be involved with these talks with kim jong-un?
>> yes. it's surprising and unsurprising because this is a spontaneous administration. this is improvisational administration. we are ebb toga period of maximum risk, maximum opportunity as well. but you intensify the risk when you don't even tell us who is going to be negotiating with the north koreans. the idea that donald trump alone in a room with north korean dictator is a fraught idea. because you don't know what he's going to do, we don't have sense of how far he wants to go. so it would be interesting and useful to have the secretary of state who actually notion the north korean leadership to be involved. it was surprising that he said that. >> brennan: might not want to get ahead of his boss. he has the most development relation shim. >> i'd bring the secretary of state with me. whenever i negotiate, i always
bring dan builds. >> better off bringing sect of state. >> brennan: talking about the president and his behavior and what makes him uniquely him. you've studied a lot about that including the people who really stand municipal their votes for him. you had a piece this week looking at the heart of this country, the people still standing by president trump. do you believe here that going into november that coalition that helped elect him will reelect a republican majority. >> i'm not confident about it for two reasons. there has been some erosion in the intensity of support among some of the people who backed him in 2016, not that they have broken with him but they are nervous about him. particularly about conduct and behavior much more than specific policies. that is one aspect of it. the other is, as president obama showed it is very difficult for
somebody who gets elected president to transfer that coalition to other candidates who don't have the same kind of connection with voters. candidates have to develop that connection themselves. and in a mid-term election like this the democrats have an advantage, the first mid term after president gets elected that's always better for the out party. for all of those reasons i'm not confident that the president can deliver his coalition. >> brennan: you said in your piece the people didn't change, the democrats did that's what one person interviewed. >> that's right. i ended up talking more to republicans and people who had supported trump in talking to some of the democrats in the midwest i think there's a feeling that the national democratic party doesn't understand the midwest in the same way that trump voters felt that they didn't understand the midwest. their view is, the democrats have to figure out a way to be able to talk to the center of the country while continuing to hold the coasts if they can do that, then they will be
genuinely competitive in 2020. >> brennan: that's a question you're asking in your book. is that even possible? >> well, you know, one of the things about this coalition is this is donald trump wasn't the cause of it. he was the result of it. so this coalition i believe is willing to continue to break things even outside the ballot box. i'm unsure what is going to happen. l in the mid terms. but i do understand that it is still pretty strong and it's pretty intense and still believe that both political parties not just democrats but the republicans as well, aren't listening to what they have to say. and i find that fascinating that this movement is going on. but we're still in the hearing it. so that hearing not -- >> brennan: on capitol hill? >> the way depicting when news reports they talk about what the trump vote ser this or that this is what they want. case in point, look at the
republicans invest virginia they were convinced that don blank enshill had a chance. it's in my back yard. he had zero chance. absolutely none. but both republican establishment and a lot of the news media thought this was something that was going to happen. so they still don't understand what is causing this coalition to stay together but also to have their voice be heard in the ballot box. >> brennan: we'll talk about this more on the other side of this break. we'll be back in a moment with more from our panel.
>> brennan: we are back with our panel here. let's pick up the conversation with you. i want to ask you, this report out of the white house this week that the homeland security secretary was just lambasted in a meeting with the president that she drafted letter of resignation. for the moment they say she is staying. what was the feedback like on capitol hill, at this point there are a number of people who have been reshuffled in this cabinet, can you get a homeland security secretary confirmed? >> i think as members of the
senate particularly republicans are exhausted with the constant cabinet drama, especially that picked up this year. first of all just on simple fact that you have to confirm all these replacements once their ousted and lot of these are very difficult tasks in a mid term year. in terms of the homeland security secretary, it's usually a tough battle because it deals with the issue of immigration which is also a sensitive issue. it would be interesting to see, secretary nielsen is scheduled to testify this week on tuesday as part of regular oversight hearing on national security, border security issues and confident this will arise and that they will be questioning what are the concern that the president outlined in this meeting, did you actually threat tone resign and be interesting to see how she responds under oath. >> it's fascinating about this moment is, if you want to look at donald trump people think of him as inconsistent. what triggered him in this case
was fear that she was not applying herself rigorously to the issue. immigration. the week that he withdrew, like he said. he's moving the embassy from tell tel aviv like he said he would. immigration, he comes back to it again and again and again. it's not that hard to predict what gets him going. and what triggers him it's pretty interesting guide this week to what is going the to come because he comes back to the same issues and promises. >> brennan: move him away from those. >> i would not -- >> brennan: i want to ask you again, on this idea of the president being able to deliver on his campaign promises of being at odds with congress. he also tweeted yesterday that the senate needs to stay in section not go away for august recess. what are the odds of that happening? >> well, i will say that last year, mitch mcconnell did delay the senate recess for two weeks, he account that delay by a week that ended up being a week. i think there is a sense of frustration that republicans are
sensing from their voters that they aren't getting things done. to the extent that they can show that they are in washington, that they are passing pieces of trump's agenda they are confirming his nominees that have been backlogged that could be a benefit. at the same time there are people who want to go back home and campaign. nobody wants to be in dc in august. but the fact is, the other complicating factor is that there is a government funding issue that we're going to face in september. the president made it very clear earlier, massive omnibus spending bill, he signed that $1.3 trillion -- >> brennan: trying to get some of that back. >> he's also insisting that more money for border wall be in whatever package that has to be in september that is a classic recipe for a shut down. but if -- you have to say can be a tactic to try to get that funding work done ahead of time
but we know this congress, they never do anything without a deadline. >> brennan: you said the media is not picking up on what the coalition saying. is the president tapping in to what the coalition is saying? >> absolutely. he's given back from their point of view. the tax reform bill. a lot of people -- in washington, especially among democrats the sort of story line was, it's just crumbs. but people outside of the beltway, extra hundred bucks every two weeks that pays for stuff. at the end of four or five months that's a nice vacation with your family. tax reform is very important to them in terms much religious freedom and with gorsuch that was also incredibly important. how he's negotiated got to the point where he is with north korea, absolutely. they're happy with what he has accomplished. now, to dan's point he's right.
they don't always like the way he says things or comport. they see it impacting their lives. they think that is a good thing. >> brennan: dan, mike bloomberg gave a commencement speech with he said the country is facing epidemic of dishonest 'he called it one of the most serious dangers facing our democracy. >> i have written a bit about that. we're in a moment, others have defined it this way in a post-truth era. in which we can't agree on facts and we have a president of the united states who deals in falsehoods. we've seen that over and over again. and i think that it has created a corrosive affect both on the democratic process, but also on the relationships among people who are in other ways looking for ways in which we can solve some problems. the environment that has been
created and donald trump is not the sole reason for. that the environment that we're in has been created has left us at a point where we can't get things done. instead we're at war with one another and we are dismissive of people who have attitudes and views that are different from our own. >> brennan: fascinating conversation. interesting read from both of you. thanks for joining us. we'll be right back. i'm dianne feinstein and i approve this message.
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