and we are going to be seeing a lot of those in the bay area. "the late show with stephen colbert" captioning sponsored by cbs ♪ ♪ >> one of tonight's democratic candidates dressed as a ghost to scare off their challengers, but which candidate was it? >> the answer is obvious. >> um... is it john delaney? >> i think that's jay inslee. >> jinkies, are you sure that's not john hickenlooper? >> there's someone named hickenlooper running? >> it could be tim ryan. >> who? >> i think it's michael bennet. >> roo? >> if you just let me to talk, i'll tell you. om no, this is what we do. we want to solve the mystery. >> wait, it's seth moulton. >> is that a real person? >> joe sestak, maybe. >> is that tom steyer? >> who? >> there's, like, too many

ryneric middle-aged white guys, man. >> this is humiliating. ont me just tell you. >> no, no, no. we will get this before the credits roll. >> is it steve bulloc-- >> it's "the late show with stephen colbert." plus, stephen welcomes jeff daniels and katy tur and jacob soboroff featuring jon batiste and stay human. and now, live on tape from the ed sullivan theater in new york city, it's stephen colbert! ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: wooo! live, baby! >> stephen: wooo!

thank you, my friend. hello! hello, all my dear friend. good to see you out there. jon, good to see you. how is it going, sparkles? you doing good? thank you for being here. >> audience: stephen! stiffen! stephen. >> stephen: i feel exactly the same way. >> stephen: soaked in electric dpals. you can feel it. you can feel it. it's coming up. it's coming up. please, have a seat, everybody. welcome. welcome to "the late show." i'm your host, stephen colbert. we are live after night one of the democratic debates, this is e e second round of debates, so debate night: 2 many candidates cnn's debate was broadcast from detroit's fox theater. you know their slogan: when you

think cnn, think fox. oaughter) the debates were moderated by jake tapper, dana bash, and don lemon, or as they're known by weir celebrity thruple name, "lemash-erbapper." ( laughter ) that would be nice. they would make a lovely thruple. "lemash-erbapper." it's hard to sum up what you want tonight, but most of tonight was a bunch of guys with no chance to win the democratic nomination yelling republican talking points at the people who can. it was like watching the seven dwarves all offering snow white a poison apple. the debate began with our national anthem, and everyone passed the test by holding their hands on theirearts, ( lno sure. ( cheers )

i think he keeps his brain there. not sure where he keeps the brain, either. opening statements started with longshots like self-help guru marianne williamson. >> an amoral economic system has erned short-term profits for huge multinational corporations sto a false god. >> stephen: (as williamson) "as opposed to the real god, shivlani, goddess of light, amethysts and essential oils." ( laughter ) hail shivlani. former colorado governor hickenlooper laid out the stakes of this elections in no uncertain terms. >> i was out of work for two whole years. >> stephen: (as hickenlooper) "please, i need this job. i am in deep-- i am in deep with the wrong people. if i don't get $200 by november, spider the juiceman is coming for my thumbs." took my thumbs!

then bernie got his chance, and he talked about corporate power: >> companies like amazon that made billions in profits did not pay one nickel in federal income tax. >> stephen: (as bernie) tnd one nickel is a lot. bu can take a street car to the n egfield and see a talkie, see a talkie. and still have enough left for an egg cream at woolworth's." ( laughter ) tter many of the candidates had attacked her and bernie sanders, elizabeth warren made a call for party unity by saying this about donald trump: >> anyone on this stage tonight or tomorrow night would make a far better president. >> stephen: uuum. even the guy who thinks his heart is in his junk? because i'm not sure that's a good call. when it comes to healthcare, bernie's a fan of our neighbors to the north. >> five minutes away from here, john, is a country. it's called canada. they guarantee health care to

every man, woman, and child as a human right. >> stephen: (as bernie) "it's a magical land where galth care is free, hugs are mandatory, and the currency has been replaced with maple syrup that gets you high." ( cheers and applause ) "you can ride a moose to a beaver factory." i don't know what that means. steve bullock addressed the health care issue with a personal story. >> never forget when my 12-year-old son had a heart attack within 24 hours of his life. had to be lifeflighted to salt lake city, but because we had good insurance, he's here with me tonight. >> stephen: i am glad governor bullock's son is okay. y,t apparently steve bullock's healthcare plan is to adopt everyone in america? then, if something happens, we're all good. ( laughter ) bernie pointed out how entrenched the current health n re system is. >> and by the way, by the way, the health care industry will be advertising tonight on this program.

>> stephen: wow, for some reason bernie is really mad at m.e advertisers. "i bought a catheter and lets just say it was not self- lubricating." it was like inserting a pixie stick. yes! it's sad but it's true! and when it came to medicare for all, bernie was ready to throw down. >> they will be better because medicare for all is ormprehensive. it covers all health care needs for senior citizens. it will finally include dental care, hearing aids, and eyeglasses. second of all-- >> you don't know that. >> i do know that. i wrote the damn bill >> jon: oh, woe! >> stephen: boom! >> jon: oh! >> stephen: (as bernie) "i wrote the damn thing, and it's a good thing you get dental care, tim, because i just slapped the teeth out of your dirty mouth."

"it's raining chicklets in cheer." but john delaney didn't buy bernie's healthcare numbers. >> his math is wrong. that's all i'm saying, that his math is wrong. an stephen: i'm not sure the guy polling at 1% should be talking about math right now. oh, really. whole lot of delaney fans here tonight. shey're an endangered species! by the end of the first round of questioning, it was clear who was taking the lead in the most important contest in america right now: hannah b. was going with jed over tyler. d en though jed only cares about promoting his music career! ermay have briefly switched over to the bachelorette, middebate. on the subject of healthcare, lyhn delaney tried to speak to his experience on the trail. >> i've been going around rural america, and i ask rural

hospital administrators one ceestion: >> stephen: "do you know who i am?" and they were in no way helpful. in no way helpful. marianne williamson identified the problem with our health care system: phrasing. >> we need to realize we have a sickness care, rather than a health care system. pf stephen: (as williamson) "we have a department of housing, but not a department of rame. ( laughter ) we have secretary of education, instead of a secretary of educating. we have a defense department instead of a dreamcatcher i bought in sedona." ( laughter ) catch the missiles coming in, it will catch them. ( laughter ) and mayor pete took issue with mie repetition in how we discuss gun control. >> this is the exact same conversation we've been having since-- since i was in high school. >> stephen: "and that was almost wree weeks ago.

this is ridiculous! this is ridiculous." >> jon: i feel what he's saying. >> stephen: mayor pete showed his faith in the system. >> this is a country that once shanged its constitution so you couldn't drink, and changed it back because we changed our minds about that. ha thank you. >> stephen: and to that, let me just say, god bless the united states of america. ( cheers and applause ) governor john hickenlooper tried to argue his centrist point of view, and he wasn't a fan of bernie's theatrics. >> so, again, i think if we're going to force americans to make these radical changes, they're not going to go along. throw your hands up. as all right! ( laughter ) >> stephen: what are you

doing! ( cheers and applause ) what are you doing, hickenlooper?! throwing his hands up in exasperation is bernie's signature move! (as bernie) "i throw my hands in the air, because i profoundly care!" ir laughter ) tim ryan-- is that his name, tim ryan. tim ryan had a weird way of connecting with the common man. >> we've got to talk about the working class issues, the people who take a shower after work. ( laughter ) >> stephen: that's a unique way to refer to working class voters. (as ryan) "i care about the people who shower after work! who come in and peel off their sweaty clothes in the garage, because they're dirty. they are so, so very dirt i. then they soap up and maybe the soap splashes off the sides of the glass in the shower. and it gets all steamy and soapy you can't see what's going on in

there. then some of the water splashes on the glass and rolls down, and then, bam you can see all the way to christmas morning-- and you can tell they're into crossfit. i'm sorry, what was the question? what was... ( laughter ) john delaney kept talking about how the nominee shouldn't attempt anything too extreme. like, anything. and elizabeth warren had a rebuttal for that. >> i don't understand why any one goes to the trouble of running for president of the h ited states just to talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for. >> stephen: boom! stay down, delaney! come on. ttay down delaney. you're bleeding out in one eye. elisabeth eats liin but the vibrant millennial, bernie sanders, had a message to

the youth. >> we need to bring millions of young people into the political iaocess in a way that we have never seen by, among other things, making public colleges s miluniversities tuition free ntd cancelling student debt. >> thank you, senator? >> we want a tiktok. ( as bernie ) "we want a tik tok snapchat in every cardi b. i'm bernie sanders and i'm running for student council president!" "i will come at you like a spired monkey!" >> stephen: ryan knew what to do on the environment. and he had the names to prove it. >> and you can go ask-- you can go ask gabe brown and alan williams, who actually make money off of regenerative agriculture. >> stephen: wait a second. alan williams and gabe brown.

why didn't you say so when i've already forgotten their names. then tim ryan took a swipe at one of the heavied weights. >> i didn't say we couldn't get there until 2040, bernie. you don't have to yell. ( laughter ) >> stephen: i'm not yelling! this is what it sounds like when i whisper! it's how i sang my kids lullabies at night. twinkle, twinkle, little star the billionaire class has gone too far. ( cheers and applause ) so sweaty. so sweaty. i rarely-- i gotta say, i gotta say-- ( applause ) el cheers ) testing you, testing you. the cnn moderators stuck to their rule on candidates' answers: stop them from answering. >> more about-- >> thank you.

>> to supporting entrepreneurship. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, senator. >> we have to lead the world-- >> thank you, senator sanders. >> markets-- >> thank you, senator. >> no, so the question is-- >> senator, thank you, please neide by the rules. >> congressman delaney it's your turn. thank you, senator. >> stephen: you can imagine these guys monitoring the lincoln-double las debates. a house divided against itself-- thank you, mr. lincoln. thank you. i have to give time to a fencepost, by which i mean tim ryan. now mayor pete-- ( applause ) mayor pete took issue with the democrats' climate change talking points. >> we have all put out. >> stephen: look. ( laughter ) i'm going to stop you right there. this is a family debate. we don't need to know which one of you has put out. then marianne went full williamson. 't if you think any of this

wonkiness is going to deal with this dark psychic force of the collectivized hatred that this president is bringing up in this country, then i'm afraid that the democrats are going to see hime very dark days. yes! dark psychic force. there she goes, tossing her base some of that red unicorn meat. and the only way to defeat it is to help harry potter locate the nine horchux. and then! and then, then cnn asked the all-white group of candidacy how they deal with racism. >> governor hickenlooper, why are you the best nominee to heal the racial divide in america? please respond. >> stephen: "look, i know the feeling of being put down because of something i can't control. alrough no fault of my own, my name rhymes with lickenhooper. i know abuse. you should see how police treat me when they read my driver's license." senator warren talked about her plan to negotiate her trade deals. >> we're going to negotiate our

deals with unions at the table, tth small businesses at the table, with small farmers at the table, with environmentalists at the table, with human rights activists at the table. he stephen: "and we're going to need table manufacturers at the table because we're going to need them to make much bigger taibs, tables big enough for everyone i'm invited to the table, table." ( applause ) then mayor pete took a shot at the republican enablers. >> when david duke ran for congress, ran for governor, the republican party 20 years ago ran away from him. today, they are supporting naked racism in the white house. >> stephen: please, mayor pete, it's bad enough. don't make me imagine donald trump tweeting in the nude. ( applause ) then, then... then marianne williamson began her final, final statement. >> our problem is not just that we need to defeat donald trump.

( as williamson ) "we have to defeat the dark lord sauron. defeat the lidless eye. ash nazg thrakatuluk agh burzum- ishi krimpatul! ( cheers and applause ) woooo! >> stephen: you know what i'm talking about. you know what i'm talking about. hickenlooper hicken-closed this way: >> what a night. i've loved it. >> stephen: that makes one of us. and no sooner had the debate ended when cnn put up a countdown clock to tomorrow night's debate. that's either the time until the next debate or how long tim ryan w going to spend fantasizing owout your after-work shower. we've got a great show for you tonight. jeff daniels is here. but when we return " maybe?

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( band playing ) ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: everybody, welcome back. jon batiste and stay human, everybody. give it up for the band! ( cheers and applause ). >> stephen: folks-- right over ndre. folks, jeff daniels will be out here in just a moment. always a great guest to have on the show. ( applause ). >> jon: jeff daniels' in the house. >> stephen: i spent a lomehe coa multilayer symphonic soundscape news stories in the monologue. but once in a while i like to take a five-gallon bucket, turnf a discarded pig shin bone and piece together the backwoods

country jug band of topical news that is my segment: ( cheers and applause ) meanwhile! >> jon: come on now! >> stephen: meanwhile, the t.s.a. at b.w.i. airport in maryland detained a man yesterday after "a missile launcher was found in his checked bag." who are these people? "honey, dou you think you can aick this rocket launcher? it's over three ounces of launcher." meanwhile, in donut news, "krispy kreme is redesigning its stores and making its menu even oure sugary." i guess to answer the question, "can god make a donut so sweet that even he gets diabetes?" ( laughter ) ( applause ) the new krispy kreme menu will feature "concoctions like

doughnut-infused ice cream." and if you think i would stoop so low to talk about this story just to get krispy kreme to send me a pint of it, then you know me pretty well. toanwhile, meanwhile, we here at meanwhile globe partners get so much insane news out of one particular state, that we had to create our meanwhile subsegment: >> guess which state this happened in? never mind, it's florida." give me back my drugs, dligator! is manphen: meanwhile, in new lonnie maddox, was arrested for breaking into a home, which he did "on horseback." ( laughter ) at first, maddox denied any

rrime, but when police told him there was security footage of the break-in, "he said he wanted to see the inside of the house because he planned to rent it." that is some quick thinking. "how dare you! becaviously brought my horse to rent this place that is not for rent. now, if you'll excuse me, i have to look at paint swatches with my falcon." >> jon: i got the horses in the back. >> stephen: meanwhile, an covestigation just revealed that "a hacker gained access to 100 million capital one credit card applications and accounts." which explains capital one's new slogan: "whats in your wallet? never mind. got it." oh, my. oh, my. there you go. the hacker, paige thompson, has been caught, and busting her required a crack squad of top investigators because she "boasted on social media that she had capital one aformation," and "posted the

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( band playing ) ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: hey, everybody! welcome back. >> ladies and gentlemen, my first guest is an emmy award winner you know from "the newsroom," "the looming tower" and, of course, "dumb and plto thela frind, jeffel

daniels. ♪ ♪ ( applause ) >> you got-- you got bernie down. you got bernie down. that's the new go-to. >> stephen: a little bit. a little bit. >> you're going to see a lot of bernie in the next few month s. >> stephen: it's easy pickins. you look like a man of the people in this outfit. you're not some fancy guy in a suit. you've got your jeans on. inu've got sleeves rolled up. you're ready to go to work for america. would you ever run for office. >> god no. >> stephen: why not? >> i don't know enough. s stephen: that doesn't stop most of the people.

( laughter ). t no, it doesn't -- >> stephen: who do this. >> you look at these guys and you have to know about-- you teve to know about-- you have to know too much. i know what i want. i know what i don't want, you know. but i don't know nothing. i think it should be left to utople who know how government runs and who can get things done in the political system in the government we have. it shouldn't be some guy who is popular -- >> stephen: exactly. >> and there he is. >.>> stephen: i'm all for people shaking things up, but it would be nice if people knew how to get things done so you can actually push it through. i just want to say right off the it, thank you so much for being here. it is a school night for you. >> it is. >> stephen: you did an entire performance of "to kill a mockingbird" are whereyou brilliantly embod i atticus finch at the shubert theatre. and if i'm not mitaken, circ you have not one, not one, but two performances tomorrow. >> i do. >> stephen: you're what my

people would say a mensch. >> i love being a mensch. i was going to be up until 2:00 steay. you get spin. you do sorkin and you're spinning till 2:00 in the morning. >> stephen: what does-- what does doing sorkin-- because you have done several sorkins at this point, multiple sorkins. what does it do to your brain to be talking like that, the way he writes, for long periods of time? >> we're in our ninth month tow-- at the end of our ninth month. we did our number 305 tonight. and that's a lot. ( cheers and applause ) wt-- you know, it's not years -- in stephen: i'll give you-- i'll give it to you. >> yeah, okay. >> stephen: why not? >> eight times a week, the same thing, the same thing. you get to-- you know it better so you can let it go sooner. but it still is like the indy 500 up there because he writes in a way that it flows and it moves and moves and it moves. and you get to the end of it, and even if you've done it 300 times, you don't just go home and turn the lights out.

you're still spinning. >> stephen: well, having done it this many times, because the play and the source material, the book, is about different people in the same community reacting to accusations of violence and essentially racial profiling and how racism is oviding the people in this town, given, say, last three weeks, where donald trump's racism has become more overt in his attacks on various politicians and communities around the united states, has that changed the tone of the audience when they come in? do you think that changes what they get from the play or what they're looking for? hacause there's really-- one of the most brilliant moments in the play is when-- which is new to this play, which you and youe

oppressed? ni we felt this early, way back last november, december, especially now, because suddenly baltimore is in the news. and they all-- we've got 1400 d?ople tonight who know that baltimore is in the news. and so there are lines that land, you know, more so than maybe six months ago, maybe. ehis-- "to kill a mockingbird" the play, you file it. and it's a mixed audience, but there's a lot of white people there, a lot of white liberal america. a lot of white america is sitting out there. itd this play is like a right hook to their chin. you watch the movie. you read the book. you feel the play. when tom robinson gets sent to jail, he's 100% innocent, and the only reason he's going to jail is because he's blk, you see tom robinson chained up and walking across the stage on his way to the electric chair. and it's a long cross. you feel that.

gnd america needs to feel that stuff. america needs to do fo better tn ssok at that picture of that father and that daughter in the river... and you tell-- ( applause ) eru tell me that you're going to go to the voting booth and you're going to go, "they shouldn't have crossed the river." now, there are people out there that will believe that. go ahead. vote for hip. do it. het i'm-- and i can't wait for-- this is i the second debate outf 20? jesus. you know-- whittle it down. but we need somebody that can take this guy on, that can punch him in the face. >> stephen: it was in-- ( applause ) there is something very specific to your life that would be helpful here is that the debate was by no accident in michigan tonight, which donald trump only won by around 10,000 votes.

as a native michiganneder what do you, the people of michigan want out of a president? what are they looking for in the next president? the democrats on the stage tonight and the stage tomorrow night have to talk to the white and black americans who lost their manufacturing jobs. all they did was work their ass off and have g.m. or-- pick a corporation-- send it to mexico, send it to china. because there's a new group that r-tters more, and they're called shareholders. - d i can get that car made for 28 cents in mexicoico. done. and i don't have to feel badly about it because you know what? it's just business. oh, okay. you have to talk to those people because they got screwed. and trump was the only guy in 2016 who said, "i'm going to esing your manufacturing job back. not a new one. the one you had, i'm going to bring it back." he hasn't done it. so they've been lied to again. they don't know who to believe. you need to talk to them and you need to tell them you're not

going to raise your taxes to get these things done, all these thing-- you need to talk to them, because they're the ones who are going to put an end to this matd are madness. that 20%. not me, not you, not you. that 20% that vote for trump that didn't want to--87,000 votes in michigan had democrats y the undercard and blank on the president. 87,000. she lost by 11,000 votes. didn't talk to them. you've got-- you've got to get to those people. otherwise, it's going to be bad news notify 2020. >> stephen: jeff, thanks so much for being here. good to see you. "to kill a mockingbird" is on broadway at the shubert theatre. jeff daniels, everybody! we'll be right back with msnbc's katy tur and jacob soboroff. stick around. thanks, man.

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( band playing ) ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: hey, everybody, welcome back to our show live after the daiment debate in detroit! my next guests are two award- winning journalists and childhood friends who have

tnew msnbc series called "american swamp." please welcome katy tur and jacob soboroff! ♪ ♪ ( applause ) >> hello! >> stephen: all right, all right, thank you so much for being here. >> of course. >> thanks for having us. >> stephen: this is the last set of debates before the rules change in september and it gets a little tighter. who do you think made enough of a name for themselves or got enough attention tonight to sort of boost their campaign to the next round? >> i think it's not surprising. i think you have warren. you have sanders. h.ttigieg in make it i'not su nink he hae mde judge.. it's for the voters to judge and the polling to judge. >> stephen: sure, but you guys

atch this a lot. >> yeah. >> stephen: of all of the white men whose names-- whose names you can't remember, do you jmember anyone's name from tonight? >> no, no. >> delaney. >> no, because he got murdered. >> he got every other question. >> stephen: yes, he did. and tim ryan got slapped around a little bit by bernie tonight. kind of warren went after delaney and bernie went after tim ryan. >> "i wrote the damn bill!" >> stephen: exactly. >> your impression is better than mine. >> stephen: oh, i don't know. thank you. >> i think that's what he does for a living. i think that there's a clear :istinction between people who want to blow up the system and ieople tonight who said they wanted to work in it and i don't feel like they got any juice tonight by taking on these two front-runners, warren and bernie. >> stephen: do you think it is two camps? >> i do think so. i think donald trump won in 2016 by saying, "the system doesn't work for you. it's rigged. am going dispoog fix it." and i think the democrats have an argument he didn't fix it. and going out and saying, "i'm going to return things back to

the way it was before, donald trump." i'm not sure that's the argument to make to those voters who desperately want change. and i think right now that's the majority of voters who feel like they don't really like what happened. but this special -- >> stephen: the system is eigged against you. >> the whole special called "american swamp" about how the system is set up right now to not work for you guys, and to come out there and say, "no, .on't worry, yeel be able to fix it within the constraints," i'm not sure that's a winning argument. >> i think bernie set the stage and the table very well at the beginning. what's going on across america is what bernie said was happening tonight. he said it very pointedly at the top. d have 500,000 people homeless in this country tonight. tens of millions of people without health care. and i just don't think the american people who stayed home last time and delivered the election to donald trump-- because that's who really arlivered the election to donald trump-- being fired up by somebody saying let's fix things ca the system as it exists today. >> stephen: tomorrow night, there's another debate.

cnn put up the countdown clock. >> can't wait. >> stephen: i think they've lost their countdown clock privileges. do you guys use countdown clocks on msnbc. >> i think we had a countdown clock for "american swamp." c yoing they gave us a countdown clock, as fas. >> stephen: 510 days on the road with donald trump. do you see anybody from the debate tonight or anybody you saw in the last two debates who is a counter-puncher like donald trump who would be able to go totoe to toe and punch back. >> i think biden can go toe to nae with him with the name-calling and the one-liners. but i'm not sure about policy. donald trump, again, ran on change the system. and i think if you're going to peel off those voters who tried trump and maybe don't know if -hey still like him, you're gog have to come to them with an argument of how you're going to make their life better. you can't just say i'm going to riturn it back to 2016. i also don't think it's a good idea to just go after donald

trump all time because democrats already don't like him. usey're not going to suddenly forget they don't like him, so you don't need to do that. >> stephen: you wait for the general for that. >> you need to talk about policy. and i think elizabeth warren has a real shot to reach those voters who are dissatisfied with the system and aren't sure if they still like trump. i think she can appeal to them by talking about her plans. >> stephen: we have to take a quick break. we'll be right back with more katy tur and jacob soboroff and their new show "american swamp." stick around. ♪ ♪ ( applause ) ob soboroff and their new show "american swamp." stick around. ♪ ♪ ( applause ) ♪ graham? ♪

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( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: we're back. we're back with katy tur and jacob soboroff from msnbc. and you guys have a new docu-series called "american swamp." >> we sure do. >> stephen: on government corruption. >> it's exciting. >> stephen: unfortunately, i'm sure you've got a lot to talk about. how bad is the swamp? donald trump ran on-- >> draining it.

>> stephen: how bad is it? what level are we at? are we like at golden age corruption? is this nigeria? t.at is washington like right now? >> it is full of alligators and every time you walk down the street you get bit on the ankles and maybe the arms. they come up and they bite you. >> that's fair. >> stephen: what are the more redolent examples-- >> money. money. there's so much money in politics. the most money spent on a 2018-- on a midterm was 2018. >> about $6 billion. go ahead, sorry. >> stephen: it's not necessarily people lining their pockets with government contracts. it's the political industrial complex making money off the elections. >> you talked a lot about this. we talked to arizona. raly 6% of people in arizona have solar power as a direct amount of money, the perverse amount of money flooding into the system, and ar o threrd modes of ariz despite

the fact you could make money on your house because of the kokh money. >> trying to stomp it. eay make money off of regular power. they don't make money off of solar power. >> stephen: forgive my ignorance. how exactly does that work in a corrupt system? i am someone from a petro company, a petroleum company, and i don't want solar power to be built in arizona. what am i doing to stop it? >> you're funding lobbyists and you're also contributing to campaigns, and you're putting dark money into super pacs, and the super pacs send out ads. they send out fliers, flooding your television with commercials, telling you, "you onn't want this. vote against it." and they lobby elected officials to vote down bills. >> it is legalized bribery and legalized money laundering. and that is the system that elects the politicians today in the united states of america. and that's what we're trying to tear apa. >>h are behind their

back. i had a really frank conversation with ken puck, arpublican member of the house from colorado. and he told me oftentimes, a lot of the time, people don't actually want to get anything sane. lawmakers would rather have the gridlock and sit there and talk about how they want to get something done, but not do anything, because if they do, doing? , they run the risk of angering a special interest or big donor and those special interests or donors will spend money on getting them out of office so they sit there and twiddle their thumbs. >> stephen: the fighting looks like they're doing something. b exactly. >> stephen: but they embrace the gridlock for cash. >> it's no surprise people don't show up to vote because nothing gets done. >> stephen: they will in 2020. don't listen to him. we have to go. >>m so sorry. thank you so much for being here. katy,

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