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to "face the nn." we want to continue our conversation wi with fiona hill. fiona, this is really these two personalities, volodymyr zelenskyy and vladimir putin. and it's all about trying to change putin's mind. at this point, is there any succession planned if he is no longer running russia? >> there is always a succession plan, at least in theory, which is something happens to him normally, then either the prime minister or the speaker of the russian
parliament would step in and they would have elections. under this current circumstances, there is no way vladimir putin wants to loosen his grip on power. 2024 he is supposed to have a presidential election. in theory, we know he has two more presidential terms he can contest, and that would take him to 2036. he has some staying power. there is absolutely no way he would want to go back any way, or on the back of a disaster in ukraine. >> brennan: so this is solidifying his hold on power, rather than weakening? >> absolutely. but the hold is very brittle. the situation right now, so many things can go wrong. so many things can be happening behind the scenes that we actually don't know about. but for putin himself, the last thing he wants to do is go out in the backdrop of protests and a failed
war. there is no way he will entertain any kind of idea of a palace coup. and the immediate group of people around him who helped plot this war are also going to rise and fall with him. so you can be sure they're trying to root out any kind of descent on opposition at the moment. and what we're hearing in the public opinion polls that there is a lot of support for putin. it is hard to gauge how deep that support is. people are rallying around the flag, rallying around him, rallying behind the kremlin, and he will make sure any opposite views are completely suppressed at this point. >> brennan: i know president biden has read your book on him. one of the things you write about is what has happened in the past with cease-fire efforts in chechnya. in the past, russia has torn up peace agreements, just reinvaded. is that what volodymyr zelenskyy is looking at
now? >> yes. he has to be very serious about this. as he said, they're fed up now on the ukrainian side. they want something real and concrete. and that what is going to be difficult. because it can't just be from the united states. the budapest agreement was with the united states, the united kingdom, and russia. and they gave out strategic nuclear weapons, and that became pretty meaningless. what president zelenskyy is looking for is guarantee from a range of countries. he talked about the circle of countries that might be involved, and it has to be outside of europe as well. this is part of the problem. >> brennan: right. >> as putin is making this a proxy war, he is saying this is like the cold war or korea or vietnam. this is not the case. putin has invaded a sovereign country. it is based on history, his view of russia's place
in europe. it has to be addressed in an international content. >> brennan: it is a global problem now. fiona hill, thank you for your analysis. i want to get more from former national security advisor lt. gen. h.r. mcmaster, and he is host of the podcast "battlegrounds." good morning, h.r. strategically, why would russian forces move to the east? >> well, to try to get something out of this, right? to try to compensate for the utter failure of the offensive initially. it is quite clear that russia has failed from the very beginning in connection with its original object to subjugate all of ukraine, and mainly on kyiv and odessa. what you see is a concentration now in the donbas region and in the south. it is interesting, margaret, we haven't heard too much talk about this, but this is about 10% of
the ukrainian land mass, but the land mass that holds about 90% of ukraine's energy resources. i think what you see russia of having a strategic design in mind is, as fiona mentioned, it is also making the sea of asoff a russian lake, and the sea as well. >> brennan: i thought it was interesting that president zelenskyy, he said russia needs to withdraw to the borders borders pre-february 24th. that would be eastern ukraine and crimea. is that significant the way he framed that? >> it is significant. it shows he is willing to compromise. i heard a conversation that was terrible, with zelenskyy and the horrors that they're confronting
now in the wake of the russian withdrawal. i think that it is going to be up to the ukrainian people, obviously, if they want to compromise at all after that. it is hard to imagine they will want to, to give up any of their territory. and, of course, margaret, the other point is prengs president zelenskyy knows that wouldn't be the end. what putin would try to do is try to keep ukraine under his power and continued duress, which he has since 2003 and especially since 2014. >> brennan: it is what you put your finger on, which has the surrounding countries so concerned, that he could continue to de-stabilize the entire area. why would putin risk bringing a nato country into a war in which as has
been described failing? is he making it tall -- >> i think putin is really on the ropes here. what does he have left? threats. cyber-threats? that is not working out for some reason. i believe we'll learn more about that later. all he can do is rattle his nuclear saber, and, of course, that is a cause for concern. but we can't forget the "don't. " part of don't takehold of our. i think we feel compelled to do more. i think what we shouldn't do is wait any longer to do what it takes to give ukraine all of the tools necessary to fully beat back this offensive, and to make it clear to the russians they're unable to renew it in the future. >> brennan: to be really clear with our viewers, since you served in the
military for so long, what we're describing and what is being documented as having happened outside kyiv is very far beyond the acceptable code of conduct for u.s. military forces. can you just put that in context for anyone who would say war is alwayse3 bloody? how do you see what happened? >> well, this is an unprofessional force. this is a force that is not adhering to the basic military ethic or the law of war or just war theory. just in theory, it requires that you apply force with discipline and discrimination, and to protect non-combatants. russia is committing mass murder against non-combatants because it didn't have the military competence to accomplish its objectives through feat of the opposing
military force. so this is against the law of war. it is against the military ethic, and it's against what we have in our armed forces, you know, the professional warrior ethos, which is based on principles, such as honor and self-sacrifice. and that also includes taking on more risk ourselves to protect innocents. even in the activity that involves killing and the prospect of death. >> brennan: lt. gen. h.r. mcmaster, thank you for your analysis today. we'll be right back. ients say they feel like their advisor cares about their ability to achieve goals. ameriprise financial. advice worth talking about. what if you were a global bank
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>> brennan: last week cbs news and the "washington post" revealed that internal white house records from january 6 showed a seven-hour gap in president trump's call logs during the violence at the capital that day. jamie raskin is on the house committee investigating the attack on the capitol and joins us here now. welcome. >> thank you for having me. >> brennan: this seven-hour gap, you have
subpoenaed the former pred's assistance, molly michael. i know you've been trying to figure out what happened. do you have any insight? >> it is a very unusual thing for us to find, that suddenly everything goes dark for a seven-hour period in terms of tracking the movements and the conversationsp the conversae president. some things we've been able to piece together from other people's interviews and depositions that we know took place during that time. we are aware of other phone calls that took place during that time that included the president. but we have no comprehensive fine grain of a portrait of what was going on during that period. and that is obviously of intense interest to us. >> brennan: you still don't have that after debriefing some of the assistance? the former president's office was known for being
sloppy. he used cell phones. the personal assistant wasn't in the office that day. is there a chance here that was sort of large-scale incompetence rather than conspiracy? >> well, we're taking that possibility into account. it does seem like the gaps are suspiciously tailored to the heart of the events, but we're checking that out. and our mandate under hr503 is to get a complete picture of everything that took place on january 6, and the causes leading up to it, and then what we need to do as a country to fortify against future insurrections and attempts to destabilizing and overthrow our elections. >> brennan: that's an incredible phrase, "potential coups." >> congressman mel brooks said a week or two ago
that former president trump continues to try to get him and other republicans to rescind the election. in other words, he continues to look for a way to nullify an election that he considers fraudulent. last night i was at the gridiron club dinner, and i saw the governor, the republican governor of new hampshire, chris sununu, who i thought it was a huge breath of fresh air. he said publicly -- he broke tradition apparently in the gridiron club, and he said donald trump is f-ing crazy -- he didn't say f-ing, but he also seemed to announce he was going to run for president in 2024, laying down the gauntlet against the trump -- >> brennan: you're ear piece just dropped out there. well, you can hear me.
are you concerned that at the end of this investigation you're not going to find what it sounds like you're looking for, which is substantsubstanceiation -- are u confident you'll get what you need -- >> i think you put your finger on it. we know there were two things going on. one was a violent insurrection, which included a mob riot, which injured 150 of our officers with broken jaws and broken necks and broken vertebrae, that was led by domestic violent extremist groups, like the proud boys, who then president trump told to stand back. the oathkeepers, they shut down the counting of electoral college votes for the first time in american history. it didn't seen happen when lincoln took the presidency in 1861.
then there was an attempt at an inside coup, what the political scientists call a self-coup, not a coup against a president, but a coup that is orchestrated by the president against the constitutional system. what we're looking for is the connections between the inside political coup and the violent insurrection, and i do feel confident we'll be able to tell that story. >> brennan: but "tell that story" is different in the criminal context from making a criminal recommendation at the justice department. are you confident that will happen? >> we will lay out the evidence that we see. understand, the role of the january 6 select committee is to deliver a report to the american people and the congress. so individual accountability comes within the domain -- >> brennan: that's why i wanted to make that clear. >> and one of the things we want to rebuild that was torn down during the last administration, is not having members of congress and the president trying to dictate policy
to the department of justice. that's what the last president did. and i'm glad this president is not doing it, and we don't want to be part of that. >> brennan: how long is too long? because we keep hearing the public hearings are getting pushed off. is it may or june -- >> i think the hearings should be in early may. that's what i'm hoping for. this week we voted to bring contempt citations between dan and peter navarro. peter navarro was off involving himself in insurrectionery coup -- >> brennan: and that vote is going to be happening this week. >> we hope see, yes. >> brennan: we'll be back with more "face the nation" in a moment.
>> brennan: we turn now to the stunning increase in violent crime and fighting that increase is one of the top priorities for new york city's new mayor, eric adams. good morning to you, mr. mayor. good to have you in studio. >> thank you. good to be here. >> brennan: new york city has the highest number of shootings in a decade, more than 40% spike in homicides over the last two years. some of the toughest gun laws in the country are there, and where are all of these guns coming from? >> that's a good question. in my conversation with the president, we talked about the blow of guns in the cities. a few days ago i was in the city with mayor li lightfoot, and they took thousands of guns off the streets, and here in new york city we are doing the same. we have to stop the flow
of guns, and get the guns off the streets now. my anti-gun unit is doing that. just a few weeks out, they removed over 20 something guns off the street. but 70% of those carrying the guns had prior violent offenses. so we need to combine with that small number of people who are carrying guns with the large number of guns on our street and get both off our streets. >> brennan: but you know that acknowledging that and having some of the toughest gun laws in the country will have crit six say, well, look, it makes no difference if you have tight gun laws. >> i tell critics to go visit that 16-year-old boy that was shot in the back of a car. we need proactive things to keep guns out of the hands of young people -- >> brennan: so why aren't the guns working? >> for a number of reasons: there are a small number of gun dealers who
just stay in the law. it is imperative that we come up with messages about ghost guns, and i believe washington is going to do that. and then we need to put money into the a.t.f. so they can do the p proper information sharing so they can identify the flo of gun tity. that's what we're doing -- >> brennan: it sounds like you're expecting more executive orders from the president to do this. because none of this will get through congress. >> i thin i think executive orders are crucial. and while we're waiting for the president and the white house to continue to do the good things they're doing, i have to do the things on the grounds in new york city. our officers are stepping up on the quality of life issues, and we're zeroing in on dangerous gangs and those -- >> brennan: you called it quality of life, quality of life enforcement. you, of course, have been quite critical of past
mayors when they have used tactics like "broken windows," going after these smaller-scale crimes. quality of life includes offenses that are precursors to violence, marijuana sales -- aren't they the same zero tolerance policies that in the past have been exploited and cause rights probl gd you pointed that out. you can have the justice that we deserve with the safetyethat we need. here is what we talk about when we say "quality of life," not allowing someone to go into a store, steal what they want, thk out. jump in the turn styles, not paying your fares in the public system. many of the criminal element are going into the public system without paying their fares and committing crimes. we learned that in the mid-'90s. and open drug use, injecting yourself in public parks in front of
our children. some of the things we're doing around encampment. you don't have to use police to remove the encampments in our city, like we're doing. we're doing a combination of social services, giving people the dignity they deserve. we're cleaning our streets and making sure they don't have a state of disorder. >> brennan: all of what you're lying out, no one is for those things, but they're concerned that this is just dressing back up the broken windows theory, you're doing the same thing but relabeling it. >> i think it is important for people to say let's look at who is implementing the quality of life. eric adams, i was the leading voice that testified in federal court about the overuse of police tactics. now i'm in charge of that police department, and i know how we can run a police department with a great police commissioner, commissioner sule, where we make sure we don't have disorder in our city, but we're going to lawfully show people that this is a city where the quality of
life is important. >> brennan: you have said things like you won't tolerate by-standers standing on top of police officers to report their activity. like the killing of george floyd, isn't that reporting important? >> i stand by how to film police and how to do it properly. nothing is more dangerous than if a police officer is fighting with someone who has a gun, and you have a person standing over him taping that intersection. interaction. that is extremely dangerous. that officer is not aware of who is behind him. i've had people stand over me with a camera, and that is extremely dangerous because you don't know what you have. what we're saying to new