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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. on the newshour tonight: the obama administration comments on whether a $400 million cash transfer to iran was made in exchange for the release of four captive americans. >> never once in any of those discussions was there any discussion about ransom. this was always about getting our citizens home. >> woodruff: as the olympics wind down, the stellar moments of the games are overshadowed by the fabrications of a gold medal swimmer from the united states. we get a wrap-up from then, an on the ground look at the mounting human toll in war-- torn south sudan-- especially among the most vulnerable: the children. and it's friday.
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>> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> woodruff: today in campaign politics: a major resignation on donald trump's team, new details about hillary clinton's emails, and a visit to the flood zone in louisiana. lisa desjardins begins our coverage. >> reporter: for donald trump, a three-fold shift. first: optics. today, no podium or stage, but the candidate on the ground,d, surveying flood-ravaged baton rouge. >> they need a lot of help. what's happened here is h incredible. nobody understands how bad it is.
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>> reporter: it was in part pushback against a vacationing president obama who has taken heat for not visiting.ot instead, he sent homeland security secretary jeh johnson. >> the federal government iser here. we have been here; we will bee here as long as it takes to help this community recover. >> reporter: louisiana's democratic governor, john bel edwards, would prefered politicians-- like mr. obama-- to stay away, for now. >> they free up the interstate for him, we have to take hundreds of local firstf responders, police officers, sheriff's deputies and state troopers, to provide securityid for that type of visit. >> this afternoon the white house acknowledged the governor's concerns and said the president will visit the area tuesday. something else new: a shift in trump's tone, last night in charlotte, north carolina: >> sometimes, in the heat of th debate and speaking on a multitude of issues, you don't choose the right words or youig say the wrong thing.
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i have done that, and i regret it, particularly where it may have caused personal pain. >> reporter: he didn't say which words he regretted. in a third change, today trump put out his first ad buy of thei election. >> in hillary clinton's america, the system stays rigged against syrian refugees flood in. >> reporter: the spot will run in four key states. hillary clinton's ads have been on the air for two months. a >> today, we face a choice abouh who we are as a nation. >> i'd like to punch him in the face. >> do we help each other? >> knock the crap outta him.ou >> reporter: for trump, changes on the trail come-- no coincidence-- amidst major changes in staff. campaign chairman paul manafort today became the second trumpd campaign chief to leave in two months. this amidst lagging polls and new questions about manafort's work for a pro-russia political party in ukraine.. as for hillary clinton, she was off the campaign trail today, but still made headlines over
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her use of private email as secretary of state. "the new york times" reported that clinton told the f.b.i. that her predecessor, colin powell, encouraged her to use a private email account for unclassified work. powell confirmed writing clinton about the benefits of private email for unclassified material. but unlike clinton, powell did not use a private server. meanwhile, clinton's v.p. pick, senator tim kaine, is on a western fundraising swing, yesterday, in usual republicann states-- idaho and wyoming. today, it was oregon and washington. this weekend: california. with two and a half months to go, it's a race for money-- ando votes. for the pbs newshour, i'm lisa desjardins. >> woodruff: in the day's other news: the centers for disease control and prevention is warning pregnant women to avoid traveling to miami beach,av florida on account of the zika virus.s. officials say mosquitos in thefi popular tourist destination transmitted the virus to at least five people. that area is just minutes from the state's initial infection
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zone. governor rick scott said floridd will remain vigilant in the faci of the new outbreak. >> we know from our experience successfully dealing with other mosquito borne viruses in our state that, through constant surveillance and immediate action, that we will protect our families and visitors. we will continue the sameam approach with zika virus in our state. >> woodruff: the c.d.c. also. suggested pregnant women and their partners-- "consider" delaying travel to all of miami- dade county. florida now has 36 non-travel- related zika infections. it was yet another day of clean- up and recovery, following those deadly floods in southernlo louisiana. some 86,500 people have now filed for federal assistance after more than two-and-a-halfd- feet of water soaked parts of the state. meanwhile, most schools in the baton rouge area are preparing to re-open in the coming days. firefighters in southern
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california have made major progress in battling the massive wildfire burning east of los angeles. the fire-- which first erupted tuesday-- is now about 26% contained. that's up from just 4% yesterday. still, the fire spans nearly 58 square miles. early estimates say 96 homes have been destroyed. some 82,000 residents remain under evacuation orders. violence surged for another day in syria, as the bloody battle for aleppo once again putep civilians in the crosshairs. the fighting showed no signs of ating, in spite of international calls for a brief ceasefire to allow desperately- needed humanitarian aid to reach residents. diana magnay of "independent television news" narrates our report. >> the rebels have broken the government siege on rebel-held areas in the east, opening up one tenuous access route in the city's south.
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some supplies have made it through, but they are vulnerable to attack. government forces are fighting to retake rebel positions beyond this main road, but they're forced to retreat back into what's left of the city, and they're vulnerable, too, taking shelter behind a wall where they think they can't be seen.. unaware of the rebel missile headed directly for them. russia today launched long-range cruise missiles from warships in the east mediterranean aimed they say at targets in syria belonging to al-news ray. they say they have nothing to do with the bombs that more and more destroy more of aleppo, that russia would never strike targets in populated areas, but civilian targets are hit as a matter of course across syria. last night in a suburb of damascus a field hospital were
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destroyed by barrel bombs filled with napalm. and north of homes, seven more killed today. >> woodruff: fierce battles are also underway in syria's northeast, where kurdish forceso are fighting the syrian army for control of the city of hasaka. syrian government warplanes have bombed that city for twoer straight days. yesterday, the u.s. led coalition had to scramble aircraft to protect american special operations ground force supporting the kurds today, the pentagon warned syria would be "well advised" not to hit u.s. and allied personnel inside the country. russian president vladimir putin touched down in crimea today, amid renewed tensions between his government and ukraine. it's been two years since russib annexed the peninsula from ukraine. putin's visit came a week afteri he accused ukrainian saboteurs of attacking russian troops in crimea. kiev denies the claim, and says it's a pretext for a new russian invasion.
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but today, putin met with his security council and doubled down on the charges.ed >> ( translated ): it looks like our partners in kiev made a decision to escalate the situation and it's clear whyhy they are doing it: because they don't want or can't, for some reason, comply with ceasefire accords, as well as can't explain their failures in social and economic policy to their own people. >> woodruff: at the same time, russian military forces are building up their presence along russia's western border-- within striking distance of ukraine. i'll talk to state departmentll spokesman john kirby about this, right after the news summary. stocks fell on wall street today, led by declines incl utility shares. the dow jones industrial average lost 45 points to close atst 18,552. the nasdaq fell nearly two points, and the s&p 500 slipped three.e. for the week, both the dow and the s&p 500 lost a fraction of a percent. the nasdaq rose a fraction of a percent, notching its first
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eight-week winning streak since 2010. still to come on the newshour: the latest on the olympics-- the medal count and the swimmers scandal-- how reintegrating former child soldiers is impacting civilians in south sudan, and much more. >> woodruff: the january release of american prisoners from iran was accompanied by a $400 million payment, money the islamic republic had been owed for decades from a weapons salee that was never completed betweed the united states and iran because of the revolution there. the obama administration announced the payment at the time, but lately critics have alleged that the payment's proximity to the release amounted to a ransom, a charge the administration denied. but yesterday, the stateay department modified its response, saying the millions of
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dollars were used as "leverage" amid the negotiations over the prisoners. earlier today, i spoke with the state department's top spokesman, admiral john kirby. admiral john kirby, welcome. you have said that the cash payment that went to the iranian government was intended asde leverage to gain the release of these american how is that different fromff paying ransom? >> well, i didn't say it was used -- that it was a leverage remember, this was iranian money that they had coming to them through the hague tribunal, and, it was money that had been frozen way back in 1979. so it was their money and they were going to get it anyway. these parallel tracks were moving forward and they began to converge. we took advantage of the convergence in a short 24-hour period to wrap it all up together. what i said before, though, is while there is no connection
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between the $400 million and the return of our american citizensi we did, however, in the end game hours hold back the payment until we knew that our americans were safe and sound and out of iran because in the very last few hours iran was playing a few games here on us and we weren't quite sure the release was going to happen and we were worried about iran reneging on that very lengthy negotiation process we put in place to bring them homeo >> woodruff: well, we know that there are more americans still being held in iran and we know that the u.s. still owes iran over a billion dollars in payments. could that money be used to help gain the release of these additional americans? >> well, again, we don't pay ransom, judy, and there wasn't ransom. it's a policy the united states does not pay ransom. the $1.3 billion that you'reli referring to which was the interest payment scheduled based on the $400 million frozen assets, that has already been taken care of through thee judgment fund.
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so that money has been paid out to iran through a separate process. in an any event, regardless, we don't pay >> woodruff: let's turn to syria. there have been horrific images coming out of there in the last few cases special from aleppo. we know secretary kerry has been working on some military cooperation, coordination c between the u.s. and russia. how would that work? >> well, there's a couple of things going on. o there is obviously a coalition effort against daesh inside syria which does have military components, and then there is a very strong and strident effort dim natcally to come to a political solution inside syriay right now because the cessation of hostilities hasn't been uniformly reserved and the regime keeps violating it and russian military activity keeps violating those actions in some regards, but we have russian and
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u.s. teams working through proposals to get the cessation of hostilities enforceable nationwide and in an enduring way. we hope they will beg successfu. but as the secretary said himself, this isn't about trust or blind faith, this will only work if russia is willing and a able to use the influence that we know they have on the assad regime to get these bombings to stop, to reduce the violence, to create not only a safer environment for the syrian people but he still believes that, if we can create some breathing space, if we can create a reduction in violence, that he can get the opposition and regime back to the table perhaps as early as the end of this month. >> woodruff: as you say, that is a big if, but even if it did work, wouldn't it mean that president assad would remain in power as the russians now currently say they want him to do? and doesn't that contradict what the u.s. goal is which is too remove him? >> well, i would say a couple of things there.
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first of all, the russians had had a long relationship with anp in syria for decades now, and we have seen in the past where their military activity has bolstered the regime in very unhelpful ways, obviously. but i will also say, this the russians are a co-founder of the international syrian support group. the russians signed on to the u.n. security council resolution which codified the process and codified the movement toward cessation of hostilities tnd humanitarian access. the russians said themselves in paper, in writing that they like the rest of the international community want to seek a syria whole, pleur fide, unified and safe and secure. as part of that, they agreed to a transitional process in syria to get to a government decidedt on by the syrian people, and that's what we're working towards. we've said our policy is we don't believe bashar al-assad because of his brutality can be a part of the long-term future
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of syria. we still believe that.we that is still the case. our view is assad cannot be at the head of such a government.o >> woodruff: admiral kirby, one yore subject.e ukraine. we know the russians have been beefing up military presence along the border.r we know president putin is in crimea today which russia insided two years ago. what does the u.s. russia is up to and what is the u.s. prepared to do if the russians go into ukraine. >> obviously increased military activity along the border won't be helpful to creating a secure future here and getting us past the tensions and toward a full implementation of minsk. the russians agreed to minsk. it means pulling back the weapons and forces and allowing for monitors to go in and for local elections and we aren't there yet and the secretary
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routinely discusses this with foreign minister lavrov. that's the outcome we want to see. on crimea, we do not recognize the occupation of crimea. crimea is part of ukraine. we've i had long ago you can't redraw the borders of the map of europe through the barrel of a gone as was done in crimea. >> woodruff: admiral john kirby at the state department, pleasure having you. >> thanks for having me. >> woodruff: after our interview, spokesman kirby made one more point about russian military activity on the border of ukraine. he said while the u.s. doesn't have perfect visibility, it alsl does not have indications right now that they-- the russians--th are prepared to go across the line. >> woodruff: now to brazil and the olympics, where the games are heading into the final weekend-- on and off the fieldso of play. jeffrey brown has our update.ff
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>> brown: decorated american olympic swimmer ryan lochtee apologized today for his behavior last weekend after videotapes and statements from other american swimmers contradicted lochte's account of a supposed robbery at a rio gas station. meanwhile, on the track, jamaican sprinter usain bolt showed he's still the fastest man on earth, adding another 200 meter win to his 100 meters earlier this week. he goes for a ninth career goldt medal today. and back with us from rio: christine brennan, covering the games for "u.s.a. today" and a contributor for cnn, and npr's lulu garcia-navarro. welcome back to both of you. christine, let's start with you and ryan lochte. he apologized without quite admitting that he had lied about what do we know, at this point, what happened? >> i don't know, jeff, that we're ever going to know exactly what happened at that gas station in the early hours of sunday morning, and i'm not so sure at this point if we need to.
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obviously, that will all be sorted out as fast as the lawyers and everyone can do. the bottom line is that's a story they took over these olympics and took coverage away from athletes who deserved it all because these four americans were out on a night on the town apparently drunk, allegedly vandalizing a gas station, and then, obviously, this coverup, and everyone, i think, is well aware of the story.he but it just was a complete lack of where they should be and whah they should do as representatives of the united states. i know our senses are so dulled by pro athletes and how they behave. well, the olympic committee and u.s.a. swimming is very seriouso about this. the notion that these guys created an international incident and ryan lochte spokeke about it, he should have kept quiet. this will haunt him for the rest of his life and i think this is what swimming will be
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remembered, sadly, not as much as michae michael phelps and kae ledecky in the first week. >> brown: she possibly facing suspensions, and the brazillians haven't taken this well. w tell us how it's played there. >> well, it's been treated with a great deal of fury and outrage and disgust. his actions are being seen as a symbol of the ugly american, and basically people here feel the actions of the four americans reflected very badly on the united states, reflected very badly on their olympics.l they feel very aggrieved because all the focused was on ryan lochte having said that he had been assaulted and it made the olympics look very bad and they feel he lied and misrepresented what happened and an apology is not quite enough and the apology he gave is being received here as not really an apology.lo they don't feel he admitted what is the truth which is he lied.
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>> brown: lulu, is there any potential legal or diplomatic implications to come? >> i thinkim the diplomatic implications have been resolvedv three swimmers are on their way back to the states and we understand the other will be leaving shortly. therefore, it has been smooth over. the police do feel they did their job. they investigated this. they showed to theth world that, in fact, what ryan lochte and his cohorts said had happened had not happened and, so, i, think the brazilian government, rio's government and the police feel they have shown that they are responsible and this is a place that has the rule of law and i don't think it will go further diplomatically. >> brown: back to sports. last week you and i talked about swimmers in a different context, swimmers in the pool, and about gymnastics. we want to talk about this great
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runner usain bolt. >> absolutely, jeff. for all the terrible things the americans did and they will get suspended for it almost sure, then you have the joy of usain bolt, and winning the 100-meter for the third time, no man has ever done that before, beijing, london and rio. r he had to come from behind. gatlin had the lead with 75 meters to go.go but usain bolt had to pretty much run through the finish line. then coming back in the 200 meters. this is difficult under any circumstances. usain bolt turned 30 sunday, th0 day of the games, and he's not a young man in this sport. s he had a hamstring injury andin there is been a lot of questions. he's now down the 100 to 200, huge win, and if he gets the jamaican relay, he will have an incredible triple-triple, three events, three different olympic games and winning them all.
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he is one of the greatest olympians of all time. >> brown: briefly, christine, we've seen the continued dominance of american women including in the medal count. >> team nine, we saw it start in london. we talked ability it then and now. title nine working it way through the generations creating all these great the girl next door grows up and wins the olympic u.s. medal. the u.s. women are dominating 61, 62% of the u.s. gold medals and over 50% of the u.s. total medals. it will happen over and over again. >> brown: i want to come back: to you, lulu.l you and i talked several days before the game about the apprehension, lack of preparation, braldz's economic problems. you said to me, imi remember, tt lolls were ready to have it done with even before it had started. what's your sense now of how people responded? r how has it gone over there?
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>> i think you can look at this in two ways. certainly, when you speak to average brazilians, they'vezi fallen in love with the olympics. they have really greeted it with a great deal of joy, once the opening ceremony happened. h they really enjoyed seeing all the people here and they enjoyed having theye athletes on the other hand, of course,u there have been a number of problems, leaving ryan lochte aside, the fact that he might have invented what happened to him, but there have been assaults, there have been organizational snafus, empty seats, slow ticket sales. so the epitaph for these olympics will be mixed. i think people will look at this on the one hand and say the brazilians did the best they could under the circumstances but there wasn't an olympics a o lot of people think was up to standard. >> brown: and there were some problems with the paralympics. >> this is actually a growing controversy, a great scandal. basically the paralympic games which did so well in the last
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summer olympic games in london are now facing unprecedented budget crisis. basically, we have been told b today that maybe ten teams at least won't be able to make it here because rio 2016 organizing committee doesn't have the money to pay for them to come. they will be slashing venues and transportation and, so, what the president of the paralympics committee said today was in his 50-plus years of being involved in this movement, he had neverev face add situation like this.hi it is an absolute scandal and he's very concerned about how these paralink games will go off, he said. >> brown: lulu garcia-navarro, christine brennan, thank youre very much from rio. >> thank you.nk you're welcome. >> woodruff: stay with us. coming up on the newshour: a master filmmaker on his work ant
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new documentary, and mark shields and jennifer rubin. but first, the world's newest country, south sudan-- established in 2011-- again stands on the brink of civil war. a peace deal signed last yearea between rival governing factione is in tatters. more than one-sixth of the country's 12 million citizens have been displaced, and the humanitarian crisis there is worsening by the day. john yang has the >> reporter: for that view we turn to photographer sebastian rich, who has covered conflictco zones for more than four decades, and has been to south sudan many times. he is there now on assignment for unicef, the united nations children's agency, and he joins me now via skype from juba, the capital. sebastian, thanks for joining thus evening. first ofve all, tell us how it feels now, what the situation is like on the ground now. >> the situation is a littlee
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more tense than it was, obviously, before the recent fighting. the recent fighting has put the ordinary people in the street, they're a lot more tense than they were. there are not so many friendly faces. if you walk in the streets of juba, you're not great the same way as a year ago when i came. >> yang: how is this affecting the children you're covering and watching and looking at behalf on yiewn self, particularly the issues of malnutrition?l >> well, it's affecting the children very badly. there's 250,000, a quarter of million children suffering from severe acute malnutrition and that's not including the children who just got malnutrition, the first stages of. what's happened iss the childred who were actually starting to recover from severe malnutrition before this recent fighting, when the fighting happened, those children couldn't come
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back to thopts to get their follow-up treatment and children that started to get malnutrition couldn't get to thopts either. so now we have the huge increase in malnutrition and severe cases of malnutrition. and unicef is trying its best to keep on top of this disaster. >> yang: you spent time today with a young girl who has been making progress, and is there danger that this could reverseer what's happening? >> it's not all bad news.ew there are wonderful individual cases. last year, a little hospital in juba was on death's door. i stayed with her a couple of weeks and she got a bit better. today, six months later, ii photographed her and filmed her with her family, singing and dancing to tunes on my iphone.ip it was a fantastic success story for once, and in this mess here.
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>> yang: is there danger with the increased tension that some of that progress could be reversed or lost? >> yes, of course. children will i mean, i don't see how you can get around it. if you don't get treated for severe, acute malnutrition, you, will die. there are complications also with a lot of these children have on top of that tuberculosis and malaria. so, yes, put simply, they will die. >> yang: another area this tensions threat, we've seen the recruitment of child soldiers is on the increase again. you've actually been watching programs where they have beenh trying to them out of that situation. >> yes, well, once again, the renewed fighting caused more problems because now much more
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children will be coerced into trying to be forced into joining armed groups. unicef has been very successful in taking these children who have recently been released from armed groups and getting them back into education and some for the very first time in their lives and this is a great success and it's going to be a great shame not to see this success actually, you know, flower into something very goodo >> yang: you talk about the former child soldiers going to school again. unicef says half the children in south sudan don't go to school, which is the highest proportion in the world. what's it like for a child? what's a child's life in juba and south sudan? >> yes, you're quite right. south sudan, there are more children now out of school here
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therein any other country on the plant. the ongoing wars here have basically stripped most infrastructures. the schools, they don't have desks. they don't have anything to sit on. i photographed yesterday children sitting on metal car wheels with no tire on it, sitting on engine blocks, buckets, little stoves when they take to school, they also cook lunch on it. it's more than basic. and these are dirt floors as well. >> yang: sebastian rich, thanks for not only your insights of what's going on on the ground in south sudan but your powerful i think so. >> my pleasure, thank you very much, indeed. >> woodruff: next: the promisef: and peril of the internet is the subject of werner herzog's newec
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documentary, out today. the legendary filmmaker wasma recently honored with an achievement award from thean american film institute for hisi work in documentary film. in washington, jeffrey brown caught up with herzog to discuss the new film and more. >> this is the birthplace of the internet. >> brown: in his new documentary, "lo and behold: reveries of the connected world, ilmmaker werner herzog is again asking big questions. >> brown: this time about the internet-- its history, its impact, good and bad, on all of us. >> i try to be after something that is deeply reverberating inside of our souls.
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some deep echo from-- even fromo prehistory. what makes us humans? how do we communicate? where are we going at this moment? something for an audience where they can step outside of themselves, where they can be almost like in an ecstasy of truth, some sort of deep illumination. and that's what i'm trying in documentaries and in feature films. >> brown: that search played out in early dramas such as "aguirre, the wrath of god", in 1972, about a mad conquistador seeking gold in peru. and, ten years later, "fitzcarraldo", the story of aof man obsessed with bringing opera to the amazon jungle. that film would become famous for what happened behind the scenes as herzog insisted on having his actors and crew actually drag a large boat overland, rather than using
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special effects. herzog's quest for "ecstatic truth" also came through in documentaries such as "grizzly man" in 2005, telling of a man who lived among bears in alaska before being killed by them. and in 2010's "the cave of forgotten dreams," which explored prehistoric cave paintings in southern france. some 70 films to date-- a remarkable career, one he's insisted on building his own way, despite setbacks. in a series of interviews you did over the years, it's in a book called "a guide for the perplexed" you speak of the "cumulative humiliations and defeats", that you've experienced and i wonder-- >> who has not? >> brown: well, who has not, but
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what did you learn from them, how important are those? >> you see, i'm completely self- taught. i never went to film school, i was never assistant anywhere.s so, of course i learned by trial and error. my first featurettes were my film school, and of course until today not one of my first films has ever been sold, but it's okay. money lost, but film gained, and i was a-- some sort of awa dialectic of defeat somehow, it converts into something that pushed me forward. yes, i have learned a lot through defeats, and until today it's-- i'm still haunted by defeats, and they do happen. sometimes a film of mine is rejected, and how do you dealje with it? and you have to learn how to deal with it and survive anyway.
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>> brown: his new film, "lo and behold," is divided into ten chapters, and features interviews with early internet pioneers. robotics engineers pushing the boundaries of artificial intelligence, and leading thinkers about what may come-- including life on mars. >> all of a sudden we have a revolution in, in communication, and it is really truly big. it is as big as the introduction of fire to the human race, or the introduction of electricity
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into our lives. and this is very, very big, and i see how rapidly things are changing. and of course there is a fascination, although i use it very little. i do use the internet for emails, and sometimes for google maps, and that's basically it. >> brown: that's it? >> and i don't use a cellphone. >> brown: you do not? why? >> i do not want one. i do not want it for cultural reasons. i do not want to be available all the time. i want to have time to think and to touch somebody, and have a meal across my kitchen table without a cellphone being constantly on tweets.we >> brown: you know, at the end of "lo and behold", one isn't sure whether to be hopeful orer not, right? there's lots of reasons that you give us to be very fearful, right? if the robots don't get us, then the sun flares might get us.t what about you, i wonder, are you hopeful?
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>> well, i couldn't say that because not only the internet is very fragile, and if thatt collapses, our civilization is gonna collapse, and there willnn be billions of people dead.s because we cannot step back inta hunting and foraging. >> brown: and that leaves you? >> it leaves me with the idea we'd better anticipate what's going on, we take our right steps today and now, and we'd better avoid. that we are over dependent on, let's say the internet, we're over dependent on other things. we are dangerously overpopulated, the planet has >> brown: but for however many years we have left no lack ofe subjects clearly for you? >> no i think it's like burglars, in the middle of the night in my kitchen uninvited,d,
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and they come swinging at me. so i'd better deal with what's the most ferociously swinging, and the last one really swinging was "lo and behold". >> brown: all right. werner herzog, thank you so much. >> you are very welcome. >> woodruff: it's friday, and so we turn to politics, and to the analysis of shields and rubin. that's syndicated columnist mar shields, and jennifer rubin, opinion writer for "the washington post." david brooks is away this week. we welcome you. good to have you back, mark. >> good to be here.e. >> woodruff: let's talk about this upheaval in the trump campaign, phases one and two. we have a new campaign manager.m we have paul manafort out after some stories about his work in ukraine. we know that one of the new folks coming in is from
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breitbart news, stephen bannon. what do we make of all this? >> the campaign is ultimately a mirror of the candidate. the criminality and paranoia of the nixon campaign began with richard nixon. the discipline began with jimmy carter. i think that's true of every campaign. this is a year unlike any year when voters are so angry in washington. they think washington is awash in money, that money buys influence, buys access, puts the fix in. so donald trump who has an advantage over hillary clinton three to one over someone who would change washington, he hires the ultimate insider. a guy who, according to various reports, got $12 million in cash for representing the pro russian, pro putin interests and parties. >> woodruff: this is paul
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manafort. >> paul manafort, the ultimate insider. nowim he's gone amidst chargesha this is just washington as usual, the worst kind. who does he bring in? stephen bannon, who's never run a campaign before, who has done a good job of running a web site, it's been very successful, and lines himself up with roger ailes, the recently deposed chief of fox news, who has just left amidst a flurry of serious allegations of sexualal harassment of women and misconduct. so, i don't know, i mean, these self-inflicted wounds on the partse of trump are, if not mortal, seriously >> woodruff: how do you see all this, jennifer? >> well, i think several strands of the campaign came together all at once.
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one is this very odd relationship, maybe not even relationship that donald trump has with vladimir putin and a number of advisors around him who are pro-russian, who made money in russia. that's one strand. the next strand is there is no campaign. there is no one running the store. there is something more to a campaign than the candidate showing up and giving a speech. there's ad buys, ground game, all sorts of elements, and i see none of that. apparently, mr. manafort didn'tm do that. maybe he tried and donald didn't let him. maybe he didn't know how to do that. the second strand, he's behind. the national polls underestimate the trouble he's in. he is trailing in virtuallyll every poll in every battleground. we have new battleground states called georgia and arizona, unheard of. so that's another strand that came together this i think the last thing is how is this new mix going to work?or
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donald trump throws people out and pairs people together. conway is a very buttoned-down pollster, not a campaign chief but pollster, matching with this fellow who ran not just a right wing web site but one that really needed money and attracted a very anti-semitic, anti-minority click all the alt right. these people are supposed to work together in a cohesive campaign? i don't see it. >> woodruff: the evidence we're seeing is donald trump gave a speech in north carolina last night where for the first time he said i misspoke, i didn't say what i should have said in. some instances, he didn't say what he was talking about. he said if i caused people pain, i regret that. today he was touring the flooding in louisiana. are we seeing a different donald trump now? >> well, i mean, he's certainly admitting that somehow he may have hurt somebody's feelings,
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in sort of the contrived, counterfeit apology.po if i in any way offended you by burning down your house and killing your dogs, then i'm sorry. i mean, this is a man that we saw at the opening called john mccain, an authentic hero, he said he wasn't a hero because he had been captured. this is a man who accused ted cruz's father of colluding with lee harvey oswald days before he assassinated president kennedy,k a man who made incredibly outrageous, offensive, veal gar, obscene charges, who ridiculed a respected report report -- repor with a physical affliction, over and over again. this is something new that we're seeing in trump. he's giving -- he gave a better speech i think this week than he's given. it was a coherent it had echoes of nixon '68. '
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i don't mean that in a pray jortive sense. it really did. he's not as good on the teleprompter as he is spontaneously. i thini think if he gives telepd speeches he won't get the same reaction that gets hi adrenaline going. >> woodruff: what the campaign is sayingf: is this is going to let donald trump be donaldd trump. is that what you see going on? >> maybe donald trump is schizophrenic. one hand he's reading off a teleprompter and, on the other hand, i think we've come to know the real donald trump, who is irreverent, rude, aggressive, that loves the interaction, the spontaneity. so i think they have to figureti out if he will be something in between, one thing one day, theout interest mark raises a point, the incoherence about the campaign.a his supporters love him because he was outrageous and frankly said a lot of things they thought were politically incorrect, which others might
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think ofer as racist of misogynistic. but the rest of the voters are very skeptical of him. does he lose both sides now or gain supporters? >> woodruff: let's talk about the other side ofal the campaig. mark, hillary clinton is out there, she's ahead in follows in most to have the battleground b states. do you see the kind of enthusiasm for her out there that we have been looking for throughout this campaign? then you had another reminder this week about the email issue that she told the f.b.i. that she got the idea for using personal email from colin powell. he saidco i suggested it but ner suggested she use her own server. >> this has been a campaign of self-inflighted wounds on bothh sides. from 2000 to 2014, hillaryry clinton was united states, candidate for president andnd secretary of state. she was mercifully and happily divorced from the clinton foundation, which was raisingic money from all sorts of sources, many of whom couldn't take a risk. there were people with an agenda
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totally alien and hostile to anything that hillary clinton's ever stood for, and some people who were rather shady characters. she leaves that job as secretary of state and plunges into the foundation. she goes right intoe it. now she's afflicted with that. she gives speeches to -- gives six-figure speeches and won't reveal what she's done. so self-inflicted.e private email server. all self-inflicted. so the perception of her as somebody who plays stew close to the edge, who has rules especially for her, who because of her righteous and moral impulses and beliefs is somehow exempt from ordinary rules and is overly secretive, i mean, that persists and didn't come from donald trump and sintd come from republicans -- didn't come from republicans, it came from
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her. >> woodruff: we had bill clinton say he would step down from the foundation if she's elected president and they won't be taking any more money from foreign or corporate sources. s >> this is the proverbial closing the barn door after the horse is out and gone and probably died because he's been out for so long. why did they have those donors all along?al it was influence pedaling from an objective eye. people who wanted to be in close with the clintons, who knew she was going to be running for office, gave to her foundation, paid her and her husband for speeches. it's the typical pay to playla kind of game. so now to say -- now that we've taken all the money and gotten what we wanted which was to get into office, we won't take any more, i'm not all that impressed and i don't think the americank people would be i do think, however, she is the luckiest person on the face of the earth because not very many people will focus on that part with donald trump doing his
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usual chaos >> woodruff: can she keep going like this mark, you said self-inflicted wounds?li >> it's a year of fundamentals f and a year of change. voters want change, not continuity. she's the candidate of the status quo, the third democratic term. but all the focus, donald trumpl is said to be the candidate of change, he's the candidate of chaos, the candidate of crisis, and, i mean, basically he goes to louisiana today which was certainly good, and what does he say when he's there? he says, great place. i've had a great history with louisiana. i mean, this is a man who is in stage four self-centeredness. he draws the spotlight to himself and it helps her. >> woodruff: what about that, jennifer? i was going to ask both of you,o donald trump is there with mike pence, his running president obama hasn't been there yet, he's still on vacation. hillary clinton put in a call to louisiana's governor. is this the kind of thing
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politicians should be jumping to do at this point or staying away from? >> this is the dilemma george w. bush faced with katrina. he played it halfway and got vilified because there was a shot of him looking down at new orleans from the sky. i think the president is right to stay away for a few days. he's going to go on tuesday.u i think it is an incredible strain on the first responders, on security folks, on all the people who should be spending 110% of their time on helping the people. >> woodruff: which is what the governor said. >> exactly. and for a candidate who has no ability to do anything about it, you can understand aou president who wants to see things, assess how bad things, are wants to get a feel for things, but these people are just there to have their picture taken.ak >taken. >> woodruff: mark m i thought the presidentsi should have somewhere between his 312th and 313th round of golf should have put on a suit and tie and spoken to the press. the president is not only the commander-in-chief, he's the
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consoler-in-chief. and i think just to express sympathy, support and what we are doing as a people by television to the people of louisiana, not to go down, as jennifer said, not to interfere with that or upset things down there, but i think that's something that a president has to do and should do at that time. i think the president, he, doesn't like to be forced intoo these things, and i think he resisted it and i think he now looks like he's going down inin response to the criticism.ri >> woodruff: in a few days. well, this campaign doesn't get any less exciting, less interesting. >> no, that's right.>> >> woodruff: mark shields,: jennifer rubin, thank you both.o have a great weekend. >> thank you, judy. >> woodruff: on the newshour online right now: new research has shown that bacteria makes some women more susceptible toti contracting h.i.v./aids. but researchers think bacteria
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could also help protect womenel against the virus. all that and more is on our website: coming up tonight on "washington week:" with just 81 days until u voters head to the polls, will donald trump's staff shake-upta help get his campaign back on track? and as the f.b.i. hands congress information about itsio investigation into hillary clinton's emails, will she be able to maintain her lead in the polls? that's tonight on "washington week." on pbs newshour weekend saturday: some gay men were turned away from giving bloodg after the mass shooting at an orlando nightclub, and now theb, food and drug administration is reevaluating blood donation restrictions that some call discriminatory. >> reporter: the policy,ep implemented by the food and drug administration at the start of the aids epidemic, requires gay and bisexual men like brinton to affirm they've abstained from sex with men for a whole year before giving blood. >> i went to go try to give blood and again was told, "no."
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you're being told, "no, your blood is not worthy." >> reporter: do you believe that the f.d.a.'s policy is discriminatory? >> i don't believe it's discriminatory, because i believe it's not a policy that's based on a sexual orientation;' it's based on keeping the blood supply safe. >> woodruff: that's tomorrow night on pbs newshour weekend. and we'll be back, right here, on monday with a look at a group that runs towards air strikes in order to save lives in syria. that's the newshour for tonight. i'm judy woodruff. have a great weekend. thank you and good night. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: lincoln financial is committed to helping you take charge of your future.
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