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hello, everyone, and welcome to amanpour and company. here's what's coming up. >> with your spirit, come holy spirit, come. >> the reverend william barbour, one of america's great moral leaders, just ahmed of miead of elections says he senses a fresh commitment to fightingorty, bigotry and environmental devastation. plus, the end of an era. angela merkel considered the firewall against a rising tide of western nationalism. why is she stepping away from the fray?
welcome to the program everyone, i'm christiane amanpour in new york. jesus said how you care for and welcome the stranger, the immigrant, the undocumented immigranted is how nations will be judged. that's what the reverend william barbour tells us as president trump focuses on his base by demonizing immigrants and calling them invaders in his pitch for republican votes on tuesd tuesday. >> while poverty still plague this is richest of countries with almost a third of americans living at best from paycheck to payche paycheck, americans lack insurance and u.s. incarceration rates are the highest in the world. my guest, reverend william barber has been called the martin luther king of our times, a protestant minister from north carolina. he recently won this year's
macarthur genius grant for leading the fight against poverty and for civil rights. you may remember his electrifying speech at the 2016 democratic national convention. >> when some want to harden and stop the heart of our democracy, we are being called like our foremothers and fathers to be the moral defibrillators of our time times. >> we must shock this nation with the power of love. so when i spoke hear what william barber i asked him about finding the compassionate side, the moral imperative during this tumult. welcome to the program. >> thank you cristian. >> i'm fascinated. you've named the challenges many communities around the states face since president trump's election but you said this is a
moment and we see the result of activism and pushing back. do you feel this is an opportuni opportunity. >> we see a reliving of the horror of 1968 when the horror began. we found out who hated who and was who was afraid of who. so trump really has been speaking to an audience that was cultivated for 50 years. but in some sense what he has done is awakened people. we're looking at the systemic racism through voter suppression, poverty, systemic poverty, ecological devastation, health care, the war, economy and the false narrative of religious nationalism. >> so you are obviously from the
faith-based community. you call yourself a theologically conservative liberal evangelical bibly cyst. how can you be conservative and liberal. >> if you cut out all the scriptures of the bible without how you treat the poor and immigrants, the bible would fall apart. so if you're being anti-poor and anti-immigrant, you're not being conservative. in the constitution it says we are first to establish justice and care for the -- and provide for the common dense and promote the general welfare. what we need to do is say to conserve means to hold on to, liberal means to give out, biblicist means to focus on the bible and evangelical means to focus on the poor. >> this past june when there was that immense catastrophe of the
so-called zero tolerance policy, children being ripped away from their parents, and there are a lot who will still separated, the attorney general used a bible verse to defend that policy and he said that, you know, god supports the government in separating immigrant parents from their children. that was the suggest from this verse. i would cite to you the apostle paul and his clear and wise command in romans 13 to obey the laws of the government because god was ordained the government for his purposes. how do you as an evangelical -- because he's an evangelical -- >> well, he says he's an evangelical but he's not using biblical evangelical terms. he's using the so-called white evangelical terms to that really is rooted more in opinions than the scripture. paul challenged the government. jesus challenged the government. he challenged the herods of his day. paul was thrown in jail for challenging the government. paul was thrown in jail for saying there's no jew or gentile, there's no bond or free, we're all one.
for jeff sessions to try to use that to justify an unjust policy is just like slave masters using scripture to justify slavery. or the people using scripture to try to justify being anti-women. it's just wrong and it doesn't line up with jesus. for christians, evangelical, jesus is lord. and jesus said how you care for and welcome the stranger, the immigrant the undocumented immigrant, is how nations will be judged? >> and you can see the stranger the immigrant is a focal point of president trump and the republicans' pre-midterm campaign policy. there's a very ugly commercial out right now. i obviously know how you'll react to that but how do you think the country recoveries from that? it goes back to echoes of the willie horton ad. >> further. remember, this anti-immigrant vane runs through. we've always struggled with what we say on paper. go back to the 1920s and '30s
and how people who are irish and polish were seen as bad and pushed away. he's not just saying immigrant, he's saying mexicans, we have to remember that. there were not jurst children, they were brown children. >> and now with the caravan. >> right, these are people, many of whom are fleeing honduras and el salvador because of our policies. our military policies in those areas, our deportation policies where we took gangs out of prisons in l.a., sent them back and they created havoc down there. i'm also more concerned, though, about the enabler, the silence of the senators, the silence of the representatives on his party and the crowds that all are -- come from immigrants. trump is not an original american name. it's not a name of -- native mesh. they are all immigrants and now they want to put in place policies that if their own great grandmothers were trying to get in the country they wouldn't be
allowed. >> today you're looking at georgia and other places where there are huge accusations and there have been reports of tens of thousands if not more than a million people struck from the rolls, all from your community. african-american. >> african-american but also poor people, also women. one story -- and this is where we missed in the this country is since 2010, 26 states have engaged in massive voter suppression. that represents african-american voters. but if you look at the states, you're talking about 52 senators -- >> what do you think the fight should be in a place like georgia and elsewhere. >> extremists who call themselves republicans know they can't win if everybody votes. we have less voting rights today in america than we had in 1965 with the voting rights act having been gutted. so we need to vote massively in
this election. just massively and take it personal that people would try to undermine, suppress the right to vote which was won through the blood of the martyrs. when the new congress comes in we have to restore the voting rights act but we have to go further. automatic registration at 18. election day as a holiday. early voting and same-day registration in states in north carolina. >> what happens when opponents of the thing you are saying say hold on a second, reverend, you're meant to be a man of god, why are you talking about forensic politics like you're doing right now. >> my lord talked about forensic politics. jesus' first sermon almost got him lynched in luke chapter 4. in the midst of cesse sea caesa
jesus said i have come to preach good news to the poor. and that means those who have been made poor by economic exploitatio exploitations. he then went on to say the broken hearted, the blind, the prisoner, all of those who have been made to feel unacceptable so you cannot declare the gospel of jesus christ and not be engaged. however don't do it from a partisan perspective. i'm an independent. we're raising the moral critique of this in addition nation for this nation. >> tell me about poverty. there's a figure that somewhere around 114 million americans live either at or below the poverty line. am i right? >> we have a study done by the institute for policy studies called auditing america 50 years after the original poor people's campaign was basically assassinated. here are the numbers. 140 million poor people and low-wealth people in this
country. 73% are women and children. the most are white women, children and disabled? >> nobody knows that. they think the most may be minoritie minorities. >> the numbers within the race. four million families can't buy wat water. it's distraction, we're not talking about the real issues but it's not just trump. not one hour was spent on voting
rights. not one hour. we have massive voter suppression that we haven't seen since jim crow. and the 62 million people who work everyday without a living wage where you can make a minimum wage and afford a modest two bedroom apartment. >> let's talk about the people in middle america. there are many who believe that president trump's economic policies are helping them. that they see the trip windfall, so to speak. what do you say to that? >> well, the southern strategy has been powerful. we're going in there to pull off the distortion and show people the actual number and we're finding success with the movement when that is happening. secondly, people are seeing now
that while you have may have wall street going up, wages are doing down. people voted and then said i didn't know about the aca. some people thought the obamacare and aca were two different things because the way it was talked about. >> one issue is health care, the affordable care act, aca and for you it's personal. you're sitting there somewhat lopsided. you suffer from a severe arthritic condition and this is person to you. >> and even deeper than that, there's a study from harvard that says thousands people have died from every one million that are denied health care so 37 million people don't have health care and 3,000 to 5,000 people die. not because god called them home but because of government policies. we're the only country of the 25 wealthiest countries that does not offer a form of universal health care. that is sinful.
the number of children, my daughter was born in hydigydr hydrocephaly. i lived long enough to see her get coverage without preexisting condition. and there are thousands of people like that ch. in alabama, a woman's daughter died because she had a cancer that could have been treated. but alabama refused to accept medicaid expansion and most of the people that would have benefitted are white. a group of us have said if anybody dies of a lack of health care we're going to call the media and say this is what
happened when politicians, as sigh s isaiah said, make unjust laws. and this is a deep moral question because i think the question for us now is not where whether the democratic party survives or the republican. will america survive? almost all of these politicians, the first thing they want to do is put their hand on the bible and swear to uphold the constitution. many of them once they do that they act like they don't know what's in the constitution or bible. how is it youd docome to congre as a senator and get free health care from the people paid for by the people, the best health care only because you got elected. then every morning you elect to get up and try to vote to repeal a program to give some americans health care. how do you do that morally? that is the question. what is going on in your mind that you would not want your
constituents foef the very thing you have only because your constituency voted to send you to washington, d.c. that's what i mean by some of these issues are not about left versus right, democrat or republican but right versus wrong. >> we will see the results. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. right versus wrong. now on the world stage, it seemed ever since the turn of the century literally one leader above all, one woman, stood as the protector of the liberal democratic world order that emerged from the ashes of world war ii. it's kept the peace in europe ever since as well as economic prosperity and order. that defender is the german chancellor angela merkel, a centrist in this era of extremes. now she's on her way out, saying she will not run for reelection
in 2021. how will her departure change germany, europe, and perhaps everybody the world? journalist stefan cornelius has been covering angela merkel since the late 1980s. he's written her authorized biography, angela merkel, the chancellor and her world. and he joins me now. stefan cornelius, welcome to our program. are we putting too much on angela merkel's shoulders? are we correct in thinking for all these years she has held the line, held the center in a world that is shifting prep us tcipit >> well, the further you get away from germany, the more you put on her shoulders. she's an extraordinary person and she's so outstandingly different in the time where nationalism and different leader types are invoked so basically
yes this woman is holding a lot of things together. she announced that she would withdraw, in act fly year's time, we have to assume she could finish her term, since she did that you can feel how that power flows away. how the unliberal quarters are almost basically getting rid of her. >> so 2021 would be the next election. she's done four and she's been elected so it's unlikely she bouf run again anyway. but the next meaningful one is in december when she is going to step down as chairman of her party, the cdu. so you've implied that the power is kind of leaking away from her. will she be a lame duck, continue to the end of her term? >> yes and no. the chairman party system, the chairman political system provides the party leader with
powers and having both party leadership and chancellorship means ultimate power and giving away both momentarily and stepping away from party leadership that early will weaken her. you cannot get rid of a chancellor basically by whiting him off or her off. she has voted in her office. it's pretty difficult to get her out of office. the german constitution provides safeties for a stable government. is we know from our historical experience that we shouldn't push aside governments like other countries do. like italy. italy has a huge number of governments changing over time. so this gives her some stability and we will look at this news in two, three months in -- from a different angle and see she's more liberate and that she could
spend accumulated political capital she amassed more freely over the past years or probably monthst, she will remain in office. she will be a lame duck but the german chancellor is -- >> i don't mean to interrupt you but that's intriguing that she might be liberated to pursue even more of her policies so what might they be? clearly you remember way back in 2000 you quoted it, she quoted it, she talked about her vision as being the market plus humanity. so she's obviously a conservative economist economist. but to have a compassionate, christiane, humane government and policy. of course we saw that when she allowed those immigrants fleeing war and def station in 2015 to come in.
that seems to have backfired. >> well, immigration issue, you're right. it totally backfired and she not only was so liberal or welcoming to the migrants because she was liberal mind or had an open heart but because she's a very pragmatic and clear-thinking woman. not the german chancellor. not a single politician in europe would have been been able to stop 15,000 migrants a day crossing the german border so i guess she didn't close the border for several reasons. she bouf would have destabilize parts of east and southeastern europe. she would have sent a devastating message about germany's culture and she couldn't have live uppd up to h promises anyway because those people would have come through the back door. so she put in policies in place
with turkey, other neighbors countries across the mediterranean in northern afr a africa. basically too many people coming to europe. and she communicated badly and she pays a huge price. they lost power in germany. this is the single issue which turned against her and it will be the issue which she will be compelled to deal with for the remaining time in office. but things that have to do with european unity, with the rise of populism in europe. >> that's the next question. you had written that europe and others must be shivering thinking she is about to step off her world platform. and you talk about populism.
where do you see the political power center moving in germany post-merkel. >> fascinating questions. the key question. merkel moved the political landscape far to the left. almost eliminating the social democrats. this is a new party pattern and we see the rise of populist and nationalist parties in germany but all over europe. honestly germany was the last country which was impacted by this kind of populism and nationalism so we see a new party pattern and those successors who are now in line to follow her and have the best chances to succeed her will push the party back again to the right a little bit and therefore make it parter for the populist and nationalist party to the party, the afd to succeed.
nevertheless it's a batting, a huge battle and not a german battle, it's a european. you'll see the populist party will be in the majority in the european parliament. >> let's take you to the world stage. we had this phenomenal picture that was snapped in a moment. it probably wasn't what we think it is. it's angela merkel leading into a seated arms crossed very defensive looking donald trump and when he first came in she congratulated him but said relations depend on commitment to mutual values and institutions. you've seen the fraying of those values and institutions. she's upset about pulling out 60 the climate treat yy. how does europe continue to have a sovereign standoff with president trump if you like. >> well, it's a tectonic change
for europe. it has a much bigger effect on europe and on germany than many other things, well luckily merkel was the first one who conditionalized relations are w donald trump. she stood up to him at the very first moment of his presidency the morning after he was elected and said i'm willing to work with you but there are some rules we have to follow. donald trump hasn't followed those and angela miracle came back from the first g7 summit in italy and said we have to find a way where we can find our own thing in europe. we have to rely on ourself a little bit more and this is what europe is trying to do now but it's a tough thing.
europe isn't split over american policies. it could be if donald trump chooses to enhance more ties to populist movement. >> and of course we will see how that goes after the stefan cornelius, thank you for joining us. now we kick off a starry second half of our show. i'll speak to the amaze rogue san cash just out with a critically acclaimed album. she gives us an intimate performance along with intermat stories of her life. but first, the man who is the toast of broadway and the big and small screen. the singer and actor mandy patinkin has played che guevara in "evita" to a cia operative in "homeland." to him his latest role is his most important. being a real life advocate for refugees, work with the international rescue committee. patinkin has crisscrossed the globe meeting the world's most vulnerable people and it's had a
profound impact upon him and his work as he told alicia menendez. >> i think most people know your work on stage and screen but the work you are most proud of is the state of refugees across the world through the irc. how did you get started? >> it was a gift that i wasn't expecting to receive. i was in berlin shooting the fifth season of "homeland." the first episode took place in a syrian refugee camp at the same time 125,000 refugees were trying to get across the balkan route to sanctuary. at that moment when i saw those photos and those beam and i felt they were my families. i wanted to give them water and
comfort and let them know people car cared. we take photos because of the instagram deal describing where we were and what we saw. >> he's experienced syria's effects on war. >> the march of 2016, the wall shut down and the europe stopped accepting people so everything went into limbo. in terms of the temporary crisis where they were moving 5,000 to 8,000 people at a time in lesbos.
i think there's 20,000 people on the greek islands and they have the capacity for 7,000. >> it sounds like numbers until you see it. >> and it isn't numbers when you see it. it's people's lives. everyone else had moved out. the irc built a city with gender based violence tents to take care of women who experienced jends e gender based violence. women's issues, family tents, showers, medical tents. to move 5,000, 8,000 people a day coming across in dingies that had room for 24 or 60 people. i got my wish. somebody handed me a lilt girl in a pink jacket and that's all i wanted was to help a child and i looked at her and i thought she died. she wasn't breathing. i later found out she had epilepsy, had an attack in the
boat. >> she's squeezing my fingers. >> we got her with the irc to get medical attention to get reunited are her family. another family were met with two boys in a tent all alone and i was fortunate enough i gave them the means to get to germany and the second year i took my wife to germany to rieu night with us that family. >> when you hear about refugees, it's very othering. and when you are with refugees in that moment you realize that could be me. that could be anybody. >> absolutely. my grandfather used to say in yiddish "the wheel is always turning." if you're on top, you better be nice because one day that wheel will turn and you'll be at the bottom. if you don't open the door and be a welcoming human being to your fellow human being, don't expect someone to welcome you. we've become a nation of walls
not welcome. and it's -- it's a humanitarian crisis. it's a crime against humanity. >> they are working. it's a crisis of monumental concerns. some families will never be reunited. there are some already lost like the thousands that have been lost in the aegean sea. we've lost them. but we haven't lost today and tomorrow o tomorrow. our country used to take in 90,000 refugees a year. the previous administration had
110,000, the new administration dropped it to 45,000. the congress is voting to create a new cap of only 30,000 refugees to the united states of america. less than 1% of the world community's welcoming of these people. we are less than 1% the most powerful in the world. don't listen to television newscasts and podcasts. ask yourself in private what is my moral ethical nature? are my representatives mirroring my moral nature? if they don't, find people who
do. i tell people, i'd much rather you not listen to my music, not go to my concerts, not watch my television shows or films, just vote. that's all i ask. is that we vote in this free democracy. vote not for yourself. vote for those who don't have a vote. those who don't have a home to belong in. vote for what you hope never happens to your children or grant children. >> i was brought to mind a quote from david jones that says it's both a blessing and a curse to feel everything so deeply. and so the blessing is apparent. there's the passion of the blessing. what's the curse? >> the curse is it's good for the work. because the work often is a heightened, i'm an actor. so it's a heightened condition of the human condition that we
display often. and it's not great in life to have that heightened condition. in life it's good to breathe, to be calm. it's just the name of the game. whether you're the greatest partist or politician or writer or scientist or schoolteacher or garbage man. you have two sides of yourself. others call it a yin and yang. >> amidst all of the intensity around your work with refugees and the intensity that you have to bring to that portrayal of saul on "homeland," your music, enough recording out and you're going to be doing live performances. throng that music i was like this is an incredible counterweight to all of this intensity. it is delicate and i wonder if you almost need that. >> i have to have it. it's my broccoli. it's my oxygen.
i walked away from it for a few years while i was shooting "homeland." not because of schedule because i did it while i was shooting "homeland" but my piano player retired. i'd been with him 30 years and he wanted to move on. that was like fred and ginger, i thought i lost my dance partner. i didn't know if i could go on. finally bob herwits hooked me up with an extraordinary young musician named thomas bartlett and he sent me on christmas eve when i was supposed to go do work with the -- in bangladesh with the rohingya at cox's bazar but the irc wasn't there yet. so i had two weeks in the middle of homeland to stay home and i called him up and i said i got two weeks, do you have time? he said yeah. i said i don't want to do anything that was anything like i did for the past 30 years. he says i'll send you something. hi sends me 350 songs. i chose 28. i went into the studio on december 26 of '17, we hit the
record button on everything and thomas and i finished and i had to go back to homeland and he sent me 10 or 12 of these songs and he said i think you should listen to this, i think we got something here. ♪ sing a song of long ago when things could grow ♪ ♪ so quietly >> so i worked with thomas and we gave me a new light. it's how i survived? >> let's talk about "homeland." i'm a dedicated for viewer but for those who don't know, how would you describe the show? >> it's become different things in different seasons. it began as a fictional wonder that took a marine and flipped our heads around.
it made the enemy a human being. it was supposed to last one season, that storyline. but the chemistry between damian and claire wre they kept it goi. then our writers would reinvent. then it morphed into what i would refer to as kind of a polaroid of our time. we need to have a poetic took place the world we're living in and existing in. >> don't communicate with him under any circumstances. >> why the hell not? >> i'm on to another situation. i don't want you alerting anybody. >> what situation? >> i can't say.
russian intelligence operation involving active measures against the president of the united states. >> the actor who i loved as saul was also the actor i loved as ini inigo montoya, also che. most actors don't get the opportunity, did you know how big those roles were going to be? the impact they were going to have on culture? taught me how to define an o. action. my action is to listen to you. when you ask me, when i'm with you and i understand that people out there are listening.
that's something that was repeated over and over in "sunday in the park with george." connect, george, connect. if there are any words on my tombstone, that's what i want, he tried to connect. what i want us to do globally is try to connect. if we fail, get up again. and if you go to the grave trying to connect your children will continue it for you. but don't give up. and when something becomes successful, it's just you don't need to analyze it. if somebody could analyze it then everybody would have everything they ever did be successful and a big hit. not how it works. it's taking chances. if you don't get up in the morning and take the chance and risk something about your comfort zone, don't get up. stay in bed. >> thank you so much.
>> thank you. >> passionate mandy patinkin. one of the untold stories is the unfair fact that it never gets told that the refugees actually don't destabilize the countries they come to, they are integrated, especially in germany. they don't bring more crime, even though they're demonized as doing so. it's a moment where we have to put the facts out. just as mandy patinkin feels that drive to connect so, too, does my next guest, singer/songwriter roseanne cash. cash is a smart, insightful and always original creative artist who produce some 15 albums and multiple best-selling books earning her a shelf full of awards and accolades in the process. cash is the draughter of the musical legend johnny cash and she as a new album called "she remembers everything." it's about the triumphs and
traumas that brought her where she is today. when i spoke-to-her at the 54 below in new york, she was accompanied by her husband and musical collaborator of the past 25 years, john leaventhal. she played the title off her new album ♪ i didn't know then my enemies, my treasured friends ♪ ♪ she remembered everything, i don't know now ♪ ♪ my says avisitors my broken v this girl remembers ♪ ♪ everything
>> welcome to the program. what do you remember? do you remember everything? >> probably. i was thinking about that when i was writing the lyrics that a woman's memory is trustworthy and that it could be like a library where you pull things out. it would be a burden to consciously remember everything, every person you met, what you were doing on your 12th birthday. but it's comforting to me to think it's somewhere. >> you have said collaborating with your husband is the best of romance. how so? >> because being creative together is very romantic, capital r. and that doesn't mean it's not without its challenges. we sometimes get into each other's business too much but to
create something is the ultimate romance. >> take me back to your childhood. >> no. >> you don't want to go that bad, huh? >> do you want to go back to your childhood? >> being the daughter of johnny cash, is that a burden of a privilege? a pain in the neck to be asked about it. you had the experience of your parents' marriage falling apart. >> and i'm not the only child who is a child of divorce. it was complicated because my dad was a drug addict and my mother was out of her mind with fear and rage and it was complicated. but fast forward. i'm literally the only middle-aged woman i know who gets asked about her parents. what. i get it because he's such a
huge figure and he casts a long shadow but sometimes it is a burd burden. >> how do you deal with it? >>. >> compassion. i remind myself that when people want to look through me to see him that they are looking for something to validate them, something to look up to, to some kind of light to shine on them and he represents a lot to a lot of people. i understand it. sometimes it's too much. >> so the quote. i could not have written these songs on this new album ten years ago, not even close, time is shorter and i have more to say. tell me about what time has done for you. >> well. i'm sure you know as a woman who carved her place out in a boy's club, what time has done for me is relieved me of the need to
people please and it's also given me more confidence and i've had a reverse experience to people i know in that they have gotten burned out at this point in my life. i feel liberated. i feel more excited about this my record than i did about my first one and that's an odd thing i didn't expect out of aging. at this point i feel like i don't want to pretend to be younger. i earned it. i'm happy here. >> and every line and every stress and wrinkle? it's a badge of honor? >> yeah, i don't love the wrinkle wrinkles but it is a sign i've been around the block a few
times. >> i say that because in new york you look around and everybody of a certain age looks like they've been through a wind tunnel. unrecognizable. >> shocking. >> shocking. i don't know why i brought it up but it obsesses me. >> but i have four daughters and i think who will model to them how to age gracefully if f not me? if i'm panicked about it, how will they know how to do it? >> which brings me to the point that you touched upon. how difficult was it for you as a woman in this business. >> it's a boys club. and you know i have plenty of my own me too stories and -- >> can you share some? >> i don't think the specifics are important but just fill in the blanks after radio promoters and recognize guides and this is a business that was virtually all men at that point when i
started out. >> and how did you deal with it? >> i kept my head down and showed up for wok and i developed a thick skin but an open heart. i developed a thick skin but i was aware i had to keep my open heart if i wanted to work the way i work and do what i do? you have to plum depths to do that but i never -- i assumed i could play in a level playing field. that i was as good or was going to be as good with hard work and that i didn't have to defer and i hated that thing of women sock writers, women musicians like we were the b team. i don't like that. i bet you don't either. >> i hate it. i think about how i dealt with
it and the trick is put your head down, keep working but you have to be careful not to become too tough. >> too rigid. >> and too invulnerable. i wonder whether you're aware of the backlash within the female circle to me too and what you make about that? i'm almost hearing women band together with certain men saying we shouldn't be characterized as snowflakes. they feel that somehow women who are standing up for themselves are taking on the mantle of victim. >> my middle daughter chelsea, you know what she calls that? patriarchal stockholm syndrome. >> that's good. >> isn't that good. >> she can market that one. >> t-shirts, hats. i have to agree. the patriarchy is not just men. >> you are quite political in terms of issues that you choose.
the whole gun violence issue came right to the heart of your industry in las vegas last year when a crazy guy just mowed down people at a festival in las vegas and afterwards you wrote country musicians stand up to the nra. the stakes are too high to not disavow collusion with the a. explain that. it's quite pointed. collusion with the nra. what sort of response did you get and why did you put it this way? >> i have been an advocate for gun control and against gun violence for 20 years. i've served on boards, i've done galas, op-eds, that was in the "new york times." this is not a new thing for me and i saw this kind ofweaving o concert promotions. >> tell me how.
i'm not familiar. >> country artists would sign deals with the nra, i guess lucrative sponsorship deals or something and it seems so wrong to me that people were conflating the nra with patriotism. it's wrong. i'm a patriot and i think the second amendment is abused and overused and is ripe for revision. any amendment can be revised. >> so country musicians don't conflate patriotism with guns. and there are very few people who spoke up and agreed, it was shocking to me. >> was it the opposite? did you get an -- in today's jargon trolled? >> sure. sure. of course. a lot of blowback. >> even from within your
industry? >> not within my industry. pop and rock artists were like right on, so glad you said that. the country artist, not so much but the trolling was intense and it comes and goes but i have lost the need to people please. i'm too old to care about the insults. >> we try to figure out how to place this moment in history. it was a divisive polarizing time with the assassination of dr. king, rfk, huge demonstrations against the war, political protests here. >> kids getting killed on college campuses. it was intense. i remind myself of that often. that was an intense time and we got through. >> it and that was when your father was coming up and his
music was the sort of -- i guess the balm or the anthem tom that -- >> well, he had plenty of protest songs in his music as we well. he was able to hold two a opposing thoughts, to oppose the vietnam war and to play for the troops so that was a great model for me. >> how do you see your music, especially this new album, being relevant and useful for our time. >> well, i think a woman of my age, assuming her own validity has power. this is a mature life lived and not without serious bumps in the road and regrets and taking stock of myself, madness and
loss and love and mortality and realizing in a long-term relationship it's inevitable and realizing one of you is going to li the other. i felt i had to write about that as well. and trauma, early trauma, how hopefully you don't live with it for the rest of your life but you do try to heal it, close it down and i was thinking and writing she remembers everything, what were you like before the trauma, how close to that can you get. >> fantastic. roseanne cash, thank you very much. >> thank you so much. it was such an honor to be here with you. >> thank you. like wise. what a voice. so full of humanity. that's it for our program. next week, join us for our coverage of the crucial midterm electionings. thanks for watching amanpour and company on pbs and we'll leave with with one more performance from roseanne. everyone but me from her new album "she remembers
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