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christiane amanpour in new york. a midterm election that was under the global microscope, we can safely that history was made. it was a women's wave. voting won big too. massive turnout with estimates close to 150 million voters casting their ballots which is almost double the votes for the last midterm. all of this delivered divided government as democrats take control of congress. nancy pelosi gave president trump a taste of her economic agenda. >> today is more than just about democrats and republicans. it is about restoring the constitution checks and balances to the trump administration.
it is about stopping the gop and mitch mcconnell assault on medicare, medicaid and the health care. >> in the words of one republican, the democrats may have won back the house, but donald trump won the election. something that he is clearly reveling the morning after. >> we saw the candidates that i supported achieve tremendous success last night. as an example of the 11 candidates, we campaigned with during the last week, nine won last night. this vigorous campaigning, the blue wave that they talked about. >> the president went on to say last night's results are a good
indicator for the 2020 campaign. let's get a check from john avlon. welcome to the program. what does this say about all the indicators that we ought to look at and about the state of the country right now? >> it says the country is divided particularly around urban and rural lives. democrats picking up big seats that republicans considered safe in the outskirts of kansas city, oklahoma city. charleston, south carolina. that is a big deal. you are seeing those demographic changes taking place. turnout was extraordinary. 115 million votes compared to 88 million in the last midterm which was a 70 year low. so real surge in voting. and that is good for democracy.
democrats did not achieve a deep blue wave but picked up powerful seats. democrats were defending ten seats and some of those are still out as we speak. but able to pick off people in missouri and indiana. distrac democrats will be able to hold president trump accountable through congress. >> let's take that before we go onto the republican strength. because they do hold and increase their majority in the senate. everybody has been looking at this and president trump was asked about this in his press conference. are you worried that the democrats will take these committee chairmanships and hold you accountable on any issue. and he basically said we won't compromise on legislation. is it in the democrat's best interest to do that? >> it is in the democrat's best interest to follow through and
hold the president to the account. requesting his taxes. that is a big deal for the president. the question is where the president has a vested interest in total gridlock. i think democrats impeaching no matter what the mueller report says will be a bad idea. we need to see what the mueller report says and does. but i think -- >> what do you mean? like firing the attorney general? >> that is on the table. the president has floated that many, many times. >> you don't think he would be energized enough to fire mueller. >> they could take action, apparently on their own. i don't want to say that is the marker, but i think there is new urgency around the mueller investigation now that the midterms are over. i do think that the president
and even nancy pelosi at a cnn conference said there was possibly room to work with the president on infrastructure and prescription drugs and that is not crazy. and those are things that are in line with his agenda. and i think folks would like to see something get done in divided government again. that said, the country is on a path to be more divided. 77% of voters say the country is more divided than it was before. that is a terrible sign. >> let me ask you about some of the races the democrats hoped to win but didn't. and not necessarily predicted the win. betoo' rourke in texas. >> transformed himself into a national star and gave ted cruz a run for his money. you basically got a state where republicans feel they have the
full field and he was able to close that gap. that said, second in politics gets oblivion. he will remain a national figure to many people because what he was able to pull off was extraordinary. the map has shifted. the water level has shifted these red states in ways that republicans hadn't expected. again, ted cruz and that is the end all. >> the florida race didn't go democratic. he got a lot of support from president trump and a lot of people who president trump did a last minute blitz for did well and did win. to all of those wondering what last night means for the presidential election and another referendum on president trump, what do you say? >> trump lives in a trump centric universe. he said it was all about him. of course he is going to say
that the last minute rallies made a difference. many of the candidates did pull it out. and democrats did in some cases move ahead. president trump in a usual display of personal venom for the office he holds went after some. people who have said i am not on board with the president's agenda. particularly the doubling down divisiveness on immigration. and he really said good rid danridance. that creates a hot house environment. >> it is fascinating. everybody will be passing all of this figures. thank you very much indeed.
as we reported this was a massive year for women candidates and for diverse candidates across the political spectrum. with an influx of lgbtq, look at these pictures. minnesota's omar is one of two muslim women and the first somalia american. she walked me through her incredible journey so far. >> 20 years ago sitting in a refugee camp in kenya. and today i am able to represent my community here in the u.s. so a story of hope and aspiration of something better. >> california's jackie speier is ready to welcome the influx as
democrats control the house. your reaction to this amazing female wave. >> so 1992 is the year of the woman. this year, 2018 is the year of the women. very exciting. california and much of the rest of the country has seen women in places of significance, but not across some of the red states and you saw some elections in red states. the united states ranks 90th in the world in the number of women serving in their congress. we have a long way to go. >> what do you attribute it to? i understand kavanaugh issue broke down gender and party line. >> president trump. we can't forget the largest demonstration anywhere in our time was the women's march the
day after he was elected. and many women ran for congress never having served in office because of trump. we expect to be respected. we expect not to be treated like we are chattel and his hollywood access tape, i think inspired many women. >> obviously president trump did also campaign demonizing muslims and then the muslim ban. it is amazing that she won. >> it say says wonderful things about the diversity of our country and no matter what comes out of the president's mouth, in tru truth, we are a country that embraces different religions. and we will continue to open our arms.
>> what do you think were the issueses. the democrats won the house and the republicans increased their m margins in the senate. was it the immigration or the health care issues. what do you think it boiled down to? >> it is different in each of the houses. and the house clearly retaining the afford care act was key and important for us to point out for 65 different times republicans trying to repeal it. in the senate it is a reflection of rural america. they have undue influence in the senate. california by population has two senators. it takes 11 other states to equal the population of california. that gives an advantage to rural america as a result. >> what do you think it portends
for 2020. are they favoring suburban america or does rural america gets stronger. >> i think suburban america flexed its muscle certainly suburban women. >> and independents did too. >> they shift from one party to the other and they shifted to democrats in the house races. frankly the democrats, all of us have to realize that we have lost the working americans in the rust belt and it is time for us to reengage with them. they always used to be democrats. and we have to realize that we have to listen to them as well. >> a lot of people complained that the democrats have no coherent message. that president trump with all of his hot button issue. this is what nancy pelosi said,
she talked about a democratic house and what it would do. and it is about stopping the assault of medicare, medicaid, the affordable care act. is that what democrats will take forward or will they try also to figure out an economic message? that they don't have? >> absolutely. and our economic message is infrastructure. it creates good paying jobs. we have crumbling infrastructure. we will work with him on infrastructure. it is a key component. prescription drugs and reducing the cost of prescription drugs. making sure pre existing conditions are covered is another important part. you can say pre existing conditions are covered. and we want to make sure it is part of comprehensive health care. >> you heard john avlon
discussing what might happen to the house and changing to democrats. president trump has been incredibly gracious to nancy pelosi since the result last night. let us play what he said in the press conference. >> i give her a great deal of credit on what she has done and accomplished. hopefully we can work together next year to continue delivering for the american people. fru infrastructure, trade. >> what do you think is behind that? do you think the house will go full investigative, full accountable, asking for tax returns and this that and the other? >> it is important to point out that he read that statement. you have to listen to them in the next 24 hours to hear hem spew out something more negative to leader pelosi.
>> do you think she will be the leader? >> i believe she will be the speaker. we have an obligation to be a check on the executive. that is why we have three equal separate branches of government and we will move forward on that responsibility and you will see investigations continue. we want to make sure that the president's personal wealth or personal holding are not influencing his decisions on behalf of the american people. i don't think that is asking too much. >> you just came out with a new book, there are so many winners in this cycle, women who have amazing life stories. the first native-american woman. the first somalia, muslim woman. and you have had an amazing history and one of the most incredible stories is when you went with a congressman, neal ryan all those years ago to try
to rescue constituents essentially being held hostage by jamestown. tell me what your book is about. >> the book is coming on the 40th anniversary of that horrific experience where over 900 people lost their lives. where a cult leader was allowed to operate both in the united states and in guyana, and he was doing all kinds of horrible things. sexual abuse, physical abuse, mind control. and we went down to find out and indeed we found out that people were being held against their will. they followed with a tractor trailer and shot the congressman
fo 45 times. i was shot five times. i was left for dead on that strip for 22 hours and was able to rebuild my life. it took months, many operations and the book is about not just that but about all the traumas and experiences that i have had in my life. my husband was killed in an automobile accident when i was pregnant with my second child. failed adoption, sexual abuse. i was resilient. and this is how you turn heartache into hope. grieving into healing. i want this to be a book of personal survivor book. and political survivor book. >> it is called "undaunted". what specifically do you want to have men and women to get from
it. >> i learned a lot of lessons politically. one is you never give up. you may lose a battle but you haven't lost the war. that you don't need to wait your turn in line which is something frankly i did. and i think many of the women today are showing you don't have to wait your turn in line. >> and you just mentioned sexual abuse. also as an adult you experienced sexual harassment, a staffer pressed himself on you. tell me what happened. >> sexual harassment has been plaguing congress for a long time. i was sexually harassed by a staffer. i told that story because i wanted women to come forward in congress and tell me their stories and the stories were
bone chilling. the apparent power that men think that they can assert on staffers in the hill. so i worked from a conservative colleague from alabama. and it holds members accountable. they pay the settlement not the taxpayers. victims are going to be protected by counsel as well. we are trying to change the climate in congress and then we need to change the climate in the rest of the federal government. >> and perhaps that helps with the massive women wave in congress. >> i hope so. >> thank you for joining us. the former navy seal dan crenshaw is coming as texas youngest representative. welcome, congressman to the program. >> thank you for having me. great to be with you.
>> i want you to follow up on what the congresswoman told me. would you also support and fight for this, to make sure there is no longer impunity and hold people accountable on one of the most corrosive elements, sexual abuse and harassment. >> it is about personal accountability, and yes. it is bipartisan in nature, absolutely. >> tell me about your reaction last night. you are a winner. what are you feeling about divided government? >> we can't sugar coat it. it is going to be harder. i wish we could have kept the house. but i am glad to see we gained seats in season. we are moving into a highly divided political environment and a highly divided government.
the democrats are going to use the next two years what they call hold accountable but really endless investigations on the president. i don't know if that is happy. they want more government intervention and health care. and they have said they wanted to raise taxes. i would like us to find the things to work together on. and let's work on those and let's do what is right for the american people. >> so congressman, and congratulations, congressman elect, would you agree with what has been said on the program already. and what actually president trump said, issues of infrastructure, prescription drugs, maybe somewhere down the line a rational immigration reform for this company. do you think those are workable going forward? >> i think so. on infrastructure, of course we ask the question, how do we pay for it.
i am fiscally conservative. so we have to keep in mind the burdens that we want to place on our children and grandchildren. do we need infrastructure in this country? yes. one of the big issues is flood. houstonians are going to be protected. so room to work together on that. i would add job training and apprenticeship programs. a way to expand middle field labor. prescription drugs, we need to lower the cost. i see no reason why we wouldn't continue to do so. >> before i get to the attempt to bring the country together and get your take on whether tat is possible, i want to ask you about the political climate in your state. it was pretty extraordinary, i don't know whether you agree that beto o'rourke as a democrat
did as well as he did. he didn't win. ted cruz did. but how do you analyze what happened? >> yeah. i won't sugar coat this one either. republicans did have a tough election night in texas. the reality is that he did not win. the other reality is that i felt like i was running get beto this entire time. he ran a strong campaign, he is charismatic and like about. despite the fact that he is so charismatic and likeable, he didn't win. because this is texas. what i would like to do in my goal moving forward, is to give the republican party an articulate voice for its values in texas and keep texas red. >> this is what you said in your victory speech last night, this
election, in the next couple of years and hopefully 50 to 100 years is going to be about understanding what we believe together. used to be comedy in sports, let's enjoy life together as americans. that is what i would like to get back to. how do you think that is possible in what everybody considers an unprecedented tribalized moment in american culture and how will you try to reknit community spirit? >> it starts with the way i would put it, is don't press send. write what you want to write but don't press send. when i got a text over the weekends, i didn't want to demand an apology. that is what i meant by this. let's be a part of the solution. and it does take individual
effort from every single person. do you always have to make fun of republicans every single night. or give every american something to laugh about. that is what i was saying with that comment. >> look, it is a good place to start if each individual can start trying to do their bit for civility, that would be a good thing going forward. i want to make note of, we talked about a woman's wave, the women's wai women's wave, but also a veteran wave. you are won of them. and there were others who have won who have won. i want to ask you about senator john mccain of arizona. he was known for his war hero, personality, andor his commitment to his party and yet being willing to call out what he thought was maybe immoral or wrong if you thought leaders in the party and sometimes
president trump were doing. are you one of those. are you willing to call out members of your own party if it becomes necessary? >> i think we need to. i think an element of intellectual honesty is a good thing. and i respect senator mccain so much. and the country did as well. he will always be in our memories and we honor his memory by doing that. being intellectually honest. let's know what our principles are. and know what we stand for. that consistency would be a breath of fresh air to the american people for sure. >> i wonder how swept up in the kavanaugh hearings you were. that was one of the last things that ripped the fabric of this country apart. and some female senators democrats paid for opposing and
those are in red states and a senator who voted for him was repaid by winning, a democratic senator. where do you stand on this issue and particularly the worry that a supreme court might be stacked and it is going to cause a lot more division in the country particularly over basic fundamental established law and precedent such a roe versus wade. >> there are a lot of elements to that. is the supreme court stacked? i don't think so. we see them as constitutionalist. we ask if they are originalist, interpret the law according to the constitution. we don't ask what their values are and what their voting record is. that tends to do what democrats ask. so stacked to us means they will actually follow the constitution.
and it is a very, very good thing. where do i stand on the entire controversy that we saw play out over the last couple of months. we need to get back to our routes of this idea of justice where you are innocent until proven country and yoguilty. and they should be listened to. we did that as a country. it was painful. it was divisive. i am glad it is behind us and hope we can heal from it. >> healing is a big word today. good to hear from you. congressman elect dan crenshaw. thank you for joining us from texas. >> thank you for having me. >> based on past experience, what should be expect. i am joined now by doris kearns
goodwin. her latest book "leadership in turbulent time." and my colleague walter isaacson. so doris and walter, welcome to the program. let me first ask you walter, you have heard some of the discussions that we have had from the winners last night. from john avlon, our analyst, where do you come down, i suppose in a historical context of what happened last night. it is the first time in a long time, isn't it? >> definitely a first time in a while and what is particularly interesting is that our country does not really have a dna right now how to deal with divided government. do you know that right now, 49 out of 50 states, the
legislatures are in one party and that makes it hard for us to understand divided government. i think divided government can be good. it provides a check and a balance. it means we have to kmoomeet an compromise. ben franklin said at the constitution constitutional convention. compromisers may not make great heroes but make great democracy. that is in our blood right now and we have to get it back. >> doris kearns goodwin. you heard what ben franklin once said. you heard what he said about compromise and what it might do. where do you see the next months and years up until the next presidential election taking this country? >> well the thing that worries me is that it is one thing to have divided government if you have both sides that treat each
other as people in another party but can compromise and collaborate. what we have seen in the last few years is what we saw in the 1850s. where the other side is seen as the other. and it is highly partisan. and what this election has shown is the one positive thing that came out of it. more women coming into the government for the first time, outsiders coming in without the plague that we have seen of hyperpartisanship. their whole infrastructure out there. and they are bringing in as research shows they are more willing to cross party lines, women are than men and veterans too. a common mission that they work for and common goal. even into the 80s when because so many of the congressman and senators had been in world war ii or the korean war.
those are the signs i have seen. the awakening citizenship. i just wish we could get back to that as walter said. there was a time when they stayed together. they played poker, drank together, and families knew each other. and they felt the constitution was an institution. medicare, medicaid, all of those things came with booicipartisan. i long for that. it is going to take a while to fix. >> i am smiling because it sounds to warm and fuzzy and welcome. many people want to get back to that to have actual policy to be able to actually take place and what you mentioned, you know, compromise is what brought so
many important qualities. >> on almost every issue. we can do it on immigration, a secure border. we could do it on pre existing conditions and building infrastructure. and yet the politicians haven't been able to get there. we have become so polarized. i feel the election will increase polarization a little bit in the short-term and maybe, and we heard donald trump talk about it in his very long press conference, maybe having a democratic house will make pelosi and donald trump even try to work together. >> let me ask you about that. in order to wo, togethrk togeth have to decide whether there will be the democratic house, so the president talked about that.
if there is a whole lot of investigation in the house, we won't deal with them and we will give them a taste of their own medicine. and we have power as well. i wonder how each of you think that might transpire. do you think there is going to be a flood of investigations and all the rest of it and how that will affect policy going forward? >> it does seem that what the president was saying was that if you do that, then i will pay you back and i am better at it than you are. and there will be no real bipartisan possibility of policy going through. i'm not sure. i think both things can go on at the same time. it is unrealistic saying now that the chairmans have gone in both directions. the mueller investigation is going to come back. despite the fact that more people are disaproving it.
there hasn't been anything because it has been quiet. we can't imagine that is going to go away in the next few months. but it is possible on some of these smaller issues which aren't small for the people that it counts. unless the president decides if you do that, then i pay you back and nothing will get done. >> i want to delve back into history. both of you have written biographies of great leaders, let me ask you first walter. you have written about ben franklin. here is a quote of his from 1787. i cannot help expressing a wish that every member of the convention who still have objections will with me on this occasion doubt a little more of
his own infallibility. and put his name to this instrument. what does that teach us today? >> ben franklin said he was old. he was hitting 80 which back then is considered old. believe it or not. twice as old as the average age of the other members. he said the older i get something strong has happened to me. i realize i have been wrong and others right. it is going to happen to you. i think that is what america is built on, respect of listening to other people. after this period of rabid incivility, rabid demonization, and so much bashing on things, whether we can grow up. einstein who also was not president of the united states
but a smart person, when the mccarthy hearings were happening he wrote to his son, i have seen this before. and then eisenhower. einstein said american democracy has a gyroscope. it is amazing. when you think it is going to fall over, it can right itself. i believe that. >> very important to mention the mainstream press. fundamental and strong pillar of a healthy democracy it is. doris kearns goodwin, you worked for lyndon johnson. abraham lincoln who you profiled, big republican. the country was at war then. what is the precedent. let me quote this from abraham
lincoln. from 1861. though passion may have strained it, it must not break our bonds of affection. the mystic cords -- living heart and half stone all over this broad land will yet swell the chorus of the union when surely they will be by the angels of our nature. it smelounds so great and too quaint for today. can we find our better angels. >> well it has to. we had a divide that was so deep that it led to that civil war. it wasn't just a political divide, it was a cultural divide. the southern congressman hit the northern senator over the head with a cane, he was made a hero
in the south. and in the north it bolstered the movement. if people on the other side of the regions or issues or parties see each other as the other rather than fell low americans. i think the fever is going to break. the overwhelming majority of people want to see this as an end. it is not like the country as a whole is happy this is happening. maybe people in washington spurred by new people coming in. they don't know what peace is coming in. so maybe having the new blood come in and remember what it is like to work together. the important thing to remember about lyndon johnson, he was
able to persuade republicans. because the southern democrats were breaking off from the northern democrats. and i love the way he did it. he promised everything. you wanted ambassadorship you got it. then he finally said to them, everett you come with me on this bill and 200 years from now, school children will know only two names, abraham lincoln and everett der sh wynn. we came here for a purpose. and maybe if they get that sense, the ben franklin sense or the abraham lincoln sense, they will realize the fever has to break. the sooner the better. >> and what do you think, walter, and both of you really, the turnout. that is a massive vote, you
know, from people. the turnout was historic for midterm. >> so welcome that so many people got involved. and i think there needs to be a mobilizes force. somebody comes along right now and says we have all gotten involved and says i am not going to appeal to the worst of america and not try to divide you. we know we share so much in common and have goals for this country. and if you can get a caucus that doris has helped name, which is the better angels caucus. >> it is a brand. it is good, the better angels. and maybe you would agree too, walter, this massive show of women. >> absolutely. >> both of you, thank you so much. and now, for the relationship between president and the press,
remember thomas jefferson quote, were it lest for me to divide whether to have a government without newspapers or news without a government, i shall not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. that means a lot to our next guest. bari weiss. she calls herself a political centrist. sometimes leaning left, sometimes leaning right. she was born and raised in pittsburg. bari spoked to us about how terror came to her own backyard. >> what explains the outcome last night? >> this country, i am not the first to say this, we are in the myt midst cold civil war. and the outcome is a battle that ended in a stale mate. a lot of people predicted that
the democrats were going to take the house and they did. and what with he saw was the solidification of the republican party, the party of trumpism. moderate republicans who stood up to donald trump lost. and that is a troubling sign for the health of the country built on a two party system. >> where do you find yourself on the political spectrum. >> i think of myself as being in the center. other see me as a liberal republican. i don't spend much time thinking about what party i belong to. i have been registered as an independent. and voted for people in both parties. i see myself as a classical lab rale. a -- liberal.
not wanting to sort of ascribe wholeheartedly to any political orthodoxy and right now, politically homeless and unrepresented by both parties in the country. >> you have had powerful voices which would have been the republican party. lots of other saying outright vote for democrats, get these guys out of office. but between them all, they do not have the power anymore. >> let's not under play what happened last night. the democrats the house. that was big. >> isn't that expected. >> sure, i don't want to under sell what happened last night. there is finally going to be a check on the presidency of
president trump. people like to point out that the never trumpers, there is that line. i think max boot coined it. there is enough of us to fill a dinner party and not a political party. i don't understand the criticism of that. which is to say those people unlike a lot of people who are in political party and the republican party have the freedom to think freely and speak their minds and they are doing it. and i think they should be praised for it. there is this feeling that they should be you know, not condemned but criticized because they are not represented. they are doing the job of that. >> how much of this climate do you attribute to the most single issue voters. it seems white evangelicals think abortion is the issue to go to the poll for.
you are familiar with jewish americans with the issue of our time. a lot of support with people saying i pinched my nose. i will give donald trump his transgressions. >> a lot of people in this country who have chosen -- over values. and over you know, very obvious things that this president is doing to degrade the character and the sort of common civic language and the social fabric in the country. that is a bargain that is not worth making. the other thing that is going on is a lot of people feel like i don't want to be ruled by the other guys. and there is very much a sense of that. and that is the case among a lot
of conservatives that i know. which is to say they might be convinced if there was a moderate person on the democratic ticket in 2020, that they feel i am not sure that it is worth it to give up my policy principals. >> it seems as you pointed out earlier, this is a death of moderation and increase in tribalism. as long as it is not the other team, fine, i will tolerate all kinds of stuff as long as it is not the other guy. regardless of what the idea is and what you agree with them on. >> the democrats have an enormous opportunity. nationalism and far right nationalism is on the rise. trump and the party of trump are telling in my view an anti
american story about the kind of nationalism is about. they are telling a story about blood and story nationalism. an idea that immigrants are alien invaders to this country. the notion that we have always had presidents in my lifetime that celebrated the fact that america is a country of immigrants. that is who we are from the founders. that story is up for grabs and the democrats are not grabbing it. in my view, they have an opportunity to tell an expansive story about what we are as americans. not who we are in terms of racial and gender. but who we are as americans at large. i don't see them doing that yet. and i think that is a huge opportunity for them to do so. >> what happens speaking of the increased hate we saw. pipe-bombs being sent.
the massacre in the synagogue. >> the shooting at kroger's market. >> do those events shape how we think going forward? >> they certainly shape how i think going forward and how everyone in my community in pittsburgh think and certainly form the way they voted yesterday in the election. you to have be willfully blind or delusional to think that these incidents don't have any connection to the political rhetoric coming out of this white house and the refusal to turn down the temperature and the trialism coming out of the country. and the hate and the demonization of the other. that is what this president is running on and ran on for two
years. >> we should point out to our audience that you grew up in the community. and had your bar mitzvah in the synagogue. how is that changing you. >> it always changes you to see people you love murdered and shattered by violence like this. seeing it up close is different than seeing it on the news. frankly, you have to have been not paying attention to what is going on for the past two years. to last the imagination to imagine something like this happening in your own community. even las vegas, parkland, charleston that now signify mass murder. in the wake of these tragedies, it becomes almost numbing. going through the routine, first we see it on twitter and then
comes through in places like the "new york times" and then we hear about all of the innocents who were slaughtered. and then we make t-shirts and then we move on. that has to stop. we abolished slavery in this country. don't tell me that we can't get rid of weapons of war. >> you said that central tenets to your space, love of truth, these are core values to your faith but seems it is starting to take a back seat by the country. >> they are. and i am alarmed by that. we have a responsibility in the everyday lives. we should be electing people to public office who represent those values. but even in a personal and intimate way, this presidency has changed me in the way that i move through my every day life
and try to be a more -- trump leads the way. and what i mean by that is he shows us exactly what not to be. he is cruel. we should be kind. he is indecent, we should be decent. he is ungenerous. we should be generous. we need to be modelling anti trump values. >> you are working on a book about civility. can the united states get to a point again where you and i can disagree agreeably about matters that matter? >> yes. we have to. and we have to model it. the thing that i think is strange about the time that we are living in, is that we are living in a paradox when it comes to free thinking and free speech. you can talk about grabbing
women by the genitalia and become president of the united states. you can be like danny davis in illinois and talk about how farrakhan is an outstanding man. and gone to iran and proclaimed death to farsi and win in congress and yet in the cultural sphere, there a small number of things that can be talked about things freely and openly. things like gender and i think that is problematic. >> that is it for our program. thanks for watching "amanpour & co." on pbs. and join us again tomorrow night.
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