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the freeman foundation. by judy and peter blum kovler foundation; pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. and by contributions to this pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. tty: i am katty kay in washington, and this is "bbc wod news america." tens of millions of people tune in to watch o is been described as one of them was chaotic and angry u.s. presidential debates ever. we will get global reaction. the world watches with alarm as the two candidates descend into chaos. we will be in toronto and london. as lebanon struggles politically and economically, more families are embarking on a dangerous journey as they try and flee to
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europe. katty: welcome to "world news america" on pbs and around the globe. president trump and his democratic challenger, joe biden, have returned to the campaign trail a day after one of the most ill-tempered presidential debates in american history. heboth the republicans and democrats are claiming victory, but the question, as ever, is what the voters made of it. our north america editor jon sopel watched the debate in ohio. jon: coming out on stage and not hitting each other was more or less the most dignified thing about last night. this was an exercise in ugliness, with donald trump by repeatedly inteng him.den up pres. trump: you agreed with bernie sanders was fareft on the manifesto, socialized medicine. mr. biden: look -- pres. trump: are you saying --
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regain control.ator tried to picking fights with the umpire. pres. trump: i guess i'm debating you, not him. jon:in lagging bin the polls , the president was going for a knockout blow. but biden didn't go down. instead, he grew exasperated. mr. biden: will you shut up, man? pres. trump: who is on your list, joe? don't ever use the word "smart" with me. mr. biden: g oh,e me a break. you are the worst president america has ever had. jon: biden's clear strategy was not to get to embroil, and to keep speaking to the market people. mr. biden: this is not about my family or his famil it is about your family and the american people. jon: trump's best moment came when he talked about law and order and how police and sheriffs work backing and ge hi.
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pres. trump: name one group supporting jon: but then the president was supremacist militias on the streets. [crosstalk pres. trump: proud boys, stand back and stand by. jon: the proud boyacwhite supremist group has welcomed the president's comnts,aying they had a new recruits since the debate. at this watch party, biden had done better than expected. >>t surprised me a little bit, but it was not enough to impress me either way. he lasted double might. --the whole night. >> his dementia didn't show up. >> i say trump has done a hell of a job consideri what he was dealt with, but i would truse liked to hav a stronger performance tonight by jon: the clear strategy of
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donald trump is to be aggressive and interrupt as much as possible and destabilize joe biden. with this audience, it is going down well. but what about disaffected republicans, people in the suburbs? that will be the acid test of this debate. at the end, the wtwo wives came on stage to congratulate their partners, with varying degrees of warmth. this was a victory for heat rather than light. jon sopel, bbc news, cleveland, ohio. katty: president trumpd appea to backtrack on the comments of by the proud boys before leaving for a crowded trip to minnesota. he claimed ignorance when asked about the group. pres. trump: i don't know who the proud boys are. i can only say they have to std down and let law enforcement do their work. i have always denounced any form, any form, any form of any of that you have to denounce.
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katty: whether the president can put the issue behind him remains to be seen. last night's general chaos is sure to leave a lasting imprsion not just in america, but around the globe. in france,er a newspescribed the debate as "chaotic, childish, grueling." and italian per said "never as lowican politics sunk so the editor-in-chief of the state-run "global times" said it reflected "the accelerate loss of advantages of the u.s. political outside" let's go america's borders, because theng world was watc joining me from london is the senior editor at "the scientist and other based in ottawa, canada--author based in ottawa, canada. i know you were up bause of your tweets. lord knows why you were about 2:00 or 00 in the morning.
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hope it was worth it. so what do they make of it in london? >> i reflected in your package there, jon sopel's package, that pretty much exists on this side of the atlantic, too. ise sup the lottery of not watching it inside america,-- luxury of not watching it inside america, you get less of an trage about the way that donald trump conducted the debate. plty of people think he is morally absolutely a reprobate, and he continued that last night. for me, i did have a bit of a different view to some colleagues watching in the u.s. one is that when donald trump really decided to go for it and it is like running into a -- running into buzz saw, and joe biden was struggling with that. the questis, does that matter? if joe biden showed could hold it togeth -- but it did
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force him to be a much ruder man then we know he usually is. you have a cap collation that donald trump---calculation that donald trump dominated the format he was in andmay be reprehensible, but that is the way i was seeing it. break the bad run he has had in pollg? we don't know that. knockout--he did not get a clear knockout, either, but to me he owned to the flo. katty: that is the u.s. politics soto become but i was texting a friend of mine ih korea who said that people are looking at this and feeling sad, to be a u.s. presidentialmeant debate. how did it look like north of the border? >> canadians by and laice are not paarly fond of donald trump. we are, however, nervous. atcand shares--canada shares
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the world's largest undefended border with the united states. most of the trade is with the united states. we are bound on dedense with untates. what happens in the united states is important not onlto the world general, but specifically and overwhelmingly to us. there's a lot of nervousness and frustration and anger, s and a t ofhock that essentially you were watching in real time the decline of a globalegemon, the decline of an empire. you hear about iand you read about it. but we watched it, 90 minutes last night, play out on stage around the world, and that is quite franklyfying. katty: anne, the decline of an empire? so i didn't quite read that right, and obviously--it that way, and depending on your politics, you will come to it about the debate. but i think there was something about people saying -- how many people are saying kind of liberal, the left-liberal
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position that they were sad. frankly, the rock buses -- raucousness, wch was considerable -- you were never debate ouet a policy of donald trump. i find that a specious argument because he was never going to go that way. either you continued with the kind of compelling -- people said it was hard to watch, i found it hard not watch. i don't believe that people who found it hard toatch were going to stop watching that is how compelling donald trump is. he is maligned, but he is compelling. or you have to say i ahigoing to take risk and go the other way, and joe biden, who clearly is ver well-intentioned man, very polite, he did struggle sometimes to nail his points. do you want the oth one? frankly would have beenetter a few years ago maybe, but better because he is not donald trump. to me it is very clarifying
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debate, even if it was unpleasant and raucous and the rules needed change. you could genefrom it what you eded. katty: i wonder, though, david, whether it doesn't look like there ought to be a more sensible way to help choose an american president, because weno direally learn very much about the policy differences between the two candidat, and we certainly -- think of all the issues that canada has at stake with america. we learned nothing really abouto their view ofl affairs. david: no, and i will concede the point that it was hard to look away from the debate in the way that it is hard to look away from a car crash. that is essentially what a lot of folks were doing good i don' think anyone changed their mind from watching the debate. the vast majority of americans have made up their mind already, and if you are undecided at this point, chances are you are a nooter. essentially, what is the point of the debate? have debates ever mattered in the u.s.? probably not.
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maybe in 1960 with kennedy and nixon and 2000 with bush and gore. i don't see the difference, frankly, especially if you are not going to touch on global afirs. if you're going to be the hegemon, presumably you shlold talk aboutl affairs and not be so parochial. but also climate change. climate change got0 seconds, 40 seconds, where the president seemed to confuse pollution with climate change and then moved onto something else. it is a parochial affair, but also pointless. katty: anne the debate, format itself may be frankly trivial or a relic of american institutions, but it is part of the amerin litical process d is an institution. if you look at the united states and some of the things said in a debate, two people watching from europe feel confident in the eledtoral process in the un states? some people in this country are starting to woy about how the institutions of government might hold up after november 3 if it is a contested election. anne: yes can i think that is a
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very genuine worry and those watching from europe, share tha view. i think if you are saying didr this particuy the debate was conducted, which is where you are kind of heading with is question, katty did that send up a warning flare? d it did as far as donump suggested things could end badly. he seems to be issuing sort of thre there. but lookt it the other way -- have a lot of countries europe, particularly eastern europe -- centralllurope, as we t -- where the idea of getting rules sortedut however rough time in which you are going to get any kind of contest between a leader and the opposition,, to say nothing of russia, that is quite a way off. there is a lot of bending of the rules. the reason, possibly because i have a backdoor cover eastern europe and russia, the rougher edges of the reagan compact, is
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to --hen it seems european compact, he's even whes ms to have failed, and we did not get to foreign affairs, and i'm not sure i agree on climate change because we did get the dividing line and joe biden said he would go to the paris accords and donald trump said he wouldn't and it is all about getting rid of cows -- we er gotblunt answers. not in detail, but i think we got it. brussels bureaucrats what they think, or paris or london, you get the going to get.k you are if you look at it more broadly at europe, there is a scination with the rough-and-tumble of american politics. that goes back a long way in the tradition. american politics only started to be polite relatively recently. katty: right, yes,ce there was ainly a lot of rough-and-tumble on display last night. let's see what thegsext debate br maybe we can get you both back
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for that one. thanks for joining the program.t awa, not toronto. the president of azerbaijan has said his forces wil find on until armenian forces have left tisputed territory, the fourth day of fierce fi in the region, and dozens of people have been killed. the two former soviet republics fought a war between 1988 and 1994 over a region at is officially part of azerbaijan wh is governed byan ethnic arme there are fears that to global conflict.uld be drawn into this najofischer reports from armenia. jonah: it is one of the world's open sores. on the map part of azerbaijan, d and runs like ethnic armenians -- by ethni armenians. in the last four days, decades- old conflict has roared back to life, as azerbaijan has gone on the offensive. here, armenians are trying to
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shoot down drones. dozens, probab many more, have been kilcid, including lians. war wi the old enemy has led to an outpouring of patriotic fervor in the menian capital, yerevan. donations are being brought to the theater ready to be taken to troops on the front line. some civilians have fled in the other direction. this family left t town on the first day of the war. "i remember ing shelled," she says. "we just cried all the time." both azerbaijan and armenia the long strgle has become an integral part of their national identity. what appears to be different now is the willingness of other countries to get involved. in particular, turkey
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this is the wreckage of a plane which armenia says was shot down by turkish f-16 jet. turkey denies that sbut has made ret of its support for azerbaijan's ambitions. >> we have only on condition, the armenian armed forces must immediately and definitively leave our land. if they comply, the fighting will stop. jonah: when people look at the map tonight and they see that this piece of territory is insi de azerbaijan on the maps, why should they believe you are in the right? >> because those were slightly familiarith the history of this land would know about the transfer of this tertory. jonah: so historically? >> historically this was the land in which the armenian onpopu was full of jonah: across the border in azerbaijan,
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a soldier is being buried. a conflict that has long blighted the region is claiming new casualties on both sides of th line. jonah fischer, bbc news, armenia. katty: conflicta that we are keeping an eye on. protests havcorrupted in india over the death of a young woman two weeks ago after she was dragged from a field and allegedly gang rape and torture. the 19-year-old was attacked while she was c outting grass on september 14. family members said she was cremated by the authorities last night against their own wishes. you're watching "bbc world news america." still come this program -- ♪ katty: he went viral online, but now he is talking about a much bigger issue. blat it is like to be a k singer in the world of american opera.
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katty: the u.n. seetary general antonio guterres has appealed to the nations of the world to help fund a global vaccine plan. earlie i asked him how much it would help to win the commitments of the united plan.a, and much of the sec.-gen. guterres: it would be important to have the commitment of all countries. some of announced they have made available their own vaccines, and this is par of the process, and we believe there will be an effective coordination of the facility that was put in place with those countries that will not only produce for their own citizens, but are ready to produce also developing countries. we have strongly appealed to thne able to develop their vaccines to be part of this effort. i'm not asking for countries not to proct the runitizens. of course it is the duty of eac coun protect their own citizens. but everybody will only be protected when the countries in
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the developing world will also be able to vaccinate their citizens katty: there have been new warnings that lebanon could face a new civil war unless it's leaders agree to form a government. with many lebaneseng fea the government could slip into chaos them some families are paying smugglers to take them to europe in rickety boats. but as our correspondent martin patience reports from the northern lebanese city of boy has shocked the whole country. martin: the boy loved going to the beach and playing in the waves. but earlier this month, his body washedre up on the sho the two-year-old the latest victim of lebanon's devastating economic crash.
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he was breast-feeding, but her. milk dried up. martin: mohammed couldn't find any work, so we paid for smugglers to take his family by but for days they drifted with no water or food. >> i filled up a bottle with seawater, and h kept thinking from it. but then he was ying. he was going crazy. i thought, what am i going to do? the is going to die. -- he is going to die. wrapped in a shrouody was he was buried at sea. days later, hiser parents rescued by a u.n. frigate. lebanon's economic collapse over the past year has been truly aggering. more than half the country are now living iner p, and nowhere has been harder hit then tripoli, lebanon's poorest city.
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the growing sense of desperation feltere means some families are prepared to risk everything. across t city, more and more children are going hungry. thei parents cannot afford to put food on the table. "we are not scared o the sea anymore," he says. hether we stay or go, we ar dead either way." he is planning to take his 8 children to europe. after his body was recovered, the boy was buried in his home city of tripoli. thonly reaso we left," said his dad, "was so he could have a future." martin patience, bbc news, aaa. -- tripoli. katty: terrible dilemma of that family, and they have lost that boy. and absolutely tragic situation.
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one of the few black opera singers in the northwest u.s in june, he and a portland state university student went viral with their impromptu duet of the national anthem. it marked a moment of racial unity amid nationwide black lives matter protests. >> one day towardshe end of may, i love my house to walk down the street, and i hear this vocalist. >> ♪ o say can you s by the dawn ♪ >> had been singing in the park blocks f maybe 20 minutes, just the national anthem over and out of the corner of my eye, i see this guy and he teeps going do block. streaming ♪so gallantly
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>> i thought to myself, you know, it has been a really long time since you sang with somebody. >> he just asked -- in "would you mind if i you?" >> "sure." i'm always down with anything. i was le, oh, my gosh, his voice is incredible. >> ♪ and the rockets' red glare the bombs bursting in air ♪ >> at that moment, it was about planning life together. >>ut a student ao graduate, about to sing. >> when i say i am an ora singer, people often saye "your fr so small, and you are not white."
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exactly. [laughter] ♪ >> despite the influx of residents and the reputation of progressive behavior, portland remains e of the whitest cities in america. although i have had success in the city, i've had tt deal with a racism along the way. during quarantine, lost all my gigs. on the street i was stopped by police, i was stopped by secuty guards, asked to stop singing in certain spaces licause i wasn't allowed singing i-- in those spac es singing italian opera. i have this thing, and this thing has the ability to heal a nation. hthat is the power of theuman voice. that is the power of my voice. all we are conditioned to think right i nthe divide. this is a time and a privilege to come together.
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katty: i canno sing, i really can't, and i am in awe of people who can. i love that story. cayofind more of that story and all the day's news onit our weand i am on twitter and you can check me out there as well. this is "bbc world news america ." thank you so much for watching th narrator: funding for this presentation of this program is provided by... language specialists tncching spanish, fand more. raymond james. the freeman foundation. by judy and peter blum kovler foundation; pursuing solutions for america's neglecd needs. and by contributions to this pbs station from viewers like you. thank you.
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