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captioning sponsored by newshour productions, llc >> woodruff: good evening. i'm judy woodruff. on the "newshour" tonight, misinformation wars. one year after the attack on the u. capitol, how politicians and trump supporters have spread false narratives about what happened january 6 >> if we can turn that something then, omicron's toll. a record number of children are hospitalized with covid-19, as doctors warn the risk to young children isn't being taken seriously enough. and rebuilding a dty. a museum's decades-long effort to restore a 1,500 year-old statue of the hindu god krishn all that and more on tonight's "pbs newshour."
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covid quarantine periods to five days without requiring a negative test. the agency reaffirmed its decision last night. but today, the american medical association said "the new recommendations are not only confusing, but are risking further spread of the virus." the a.m.a. suggested a shortage of tests influenced the decision, but c.d.c. director rochelle walensky denied that today. >> first of all, this has nothing to do with the shortage of ailable tests, because you can see in our quarantine guidance that we actually do recommend a test for people to emerge from quarantine, and we do anticipate that there will be more people in quarantine than there are in isolation. >> woodruff: at that same and the top ranked men's tennis player novak joke viv was denied entry to australia for failing show that he had been vaccinated. he had planned to play in the stalian open.
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tomorrow marks one year since the assault on the u.s. capitol, and capitol police say they are made serious that -- that they have made serious progress since then. chief tom manger told a senate hearing today that the atang exposed critical deficiencies. mob exposed what he called "critical deficiencies," but he said there's been progress since then. >> we are sharing information better, we are assigning responsibilities, people know what their responsibilities are, and we have back up to each one of the different cmanders. my hope is that with the other processes planning that we put into place, that there's not going to be the need for a panicked call in an emergency, that those things will be planned ahead of time. >> woodruff: we'll return to january 6 after the news summary at least 13 people were killed today in philadelphia in the city's deadliest fire in at least a century. seven of the victims were children. fire officials said a total of 26 people had been staying in the public housing duplex.
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it had four smoke alarms, but none was working. the cause of the fire is under investigation. in kazakhstan, chaos erupted as protesters stormed government buildings and seized a major airport. the ruling cabinet resigned, and the two largest cities declared emergencies. police in almaty confronted the crowds, but as night came fires burned and protesters battled the security forces. the kazakh president vowed a tough response on state tv. >> ( translated ): the high level of organization by the thugs demonstrates a carefully thought out plan of actions by financially motivated conspirators. therefore, as the head of the country and from today, i intend to act with maximum severity regarding lawbreakers. >> woodruff: the trouble began four days ago over spiking fuel prices, but has quickly spread into demands for liberalization. north korea has test-fired a ballistic missile for the first time in two months, apparently
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rejecting new diplomatic talks. the north says it was a hyper- sonic missile. south korea says it was fired today from a mountainous northern province near china, and landed in the sea. the u.s. and germany stepped up warnings to russia today not to invade ukraine. u.s. secretary of state, antony blinken, met with the german foreign minister in washington ahead of security talks with ssia next week. >> russia has concerns, we will listen. hah. we have concerns, and it's imperative that russia listen. and i hope again, as i said before, that we can find ways diplomatically through these conversations. >> woodruff: the two diplomats said any action against ukraine would have severe consequences, but they gave no specifics. a woman who accused former new york governor andrew cuomo of fondling her, is condemning a decision to drop the case. the albany county district attorney said tuesday that he
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cannot prove the charge beyond a reasonable doubt. the accuser, brittany commisso, says it shows why sexual abuse victims are afraid to speak out. louisiana today posthumously pardoned homer plessy, the man at the heart of the u.s. supreme court's "separate but equal" decision in 1896. governor jon bel edwards signed the pardon in new orleans. plessy was arrested there in 1892 for violating a ban on blacks sitting in "whites only" train cars. the high court's ruling in "plessy versus ferguson" cemented racial segregation in public accommodations for decades. on wall street today, stocks dropped on fears that the federal reserve will accelerate interest rate hikes to fight inflation. the dow jones industrial average lost 392 points-- 1%-- to close at 36,407. the nasdaq fell 522 points, more than 3%. the s&p 500 slipped 93 points,
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nearly 2%. and the nation's oldest world war ii veteran, lawrence brooks, has died in new orleans. he was drafted into the u.s. army in 1940 and served in a racially segregated engineering unit. in 2005, hurricane katrina destroyed brooks' home, but he remained upbeat. last year, during a birthday parade, he even danced a little. lawrence brooks was 112-years-old. still to come on the "newshour," republican congressman troy nehls and democratic congressman hakeem jeffries on the aftermath of last year's capitol riots; the stark rise in pediatric hospitalizations amid covid's surge; and much more.
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>> woodruff: one year ago this week, crowds stormed the u.s. capitol while lawmakers were still inside. we get two different views on the events of january 6 from lawmakers on opposite sides of the aisle, who were both at the capitol that day. lisa desjardins begins our coverage. >> desjards: i am joined by troy nehls, a republican congressman from texas; also a former sheriff and combat veteran. thank you for your service and thank you for talking to us today. i know on january 6th, you were there with a chair leg in your arms at the door to the house chamber to keep rioters out. i wonder how you reflect. what do you think happened on january 6th? how do you see it? >> well, actually, thank you, lisa, for having me. it actually was a hand sanitizer. it was a wooden hand sanitizer. i was at the back doors, the center doors leading into, obviously, the house chamber.
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those doors would be the same doors a president would walk through when he would deliver a state of the union. and i was positioned back at those doors, and, obviously, you know, once we were going through the objectors in the arizona and the state of arizona was there and all of a sudden several personnel in plain clothes rushed nancy off the dias and back into her speaker's lobby. the doors started shaking violently. the doors were locked but people were banging on the doors and capitol police were there. i was told by one of them that i must leave and i chose not to. i said i am not leaving, i am going to be there with my brothers and sisters in blue. the doors kept shaking violently. you could hear the commotion on the other side. you could see in photos furniture was brought over to help secure the doors. but the wooden hand sanitizer,
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mark mullin, another member of congress was there, and he broke off the hand sanitizer off the wooden base and there was another one there and i did the same thing. that was my weapon for the day, should those individuals be successful in getting through the doors, and thank goodness they weren't. >> reporter: you called what happened criminal. you have been very clear saying it was dangerous, those who incited violence were wrong. but there's a real divide over the narrative about january 6th and a real divide over the rule of president trump, former president, whom i know you support. i wonder, how do you see his role that day? >> let's go back to the individuals you mentioned i used the word "crinal" on and yes. there were individuals inside that capitol building that day that committed assault on police officers, and some of these assaults even being aggravated. if you were inside the capitol that day and you broke windows
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and you destroyed property, you should be held accountable. if you assaulted a law enforcement officer, you shouldn't just go to jail, you should go to prison, and i think most of the american people agree with the fact that if you were in there and committing criminal violations of the lay, assaults, destruction of property, breaking windows, you should be held fully accountable for your actions. but there were people inside the capitol that weren't doing anything, they weren't touching anybody or assaulting anybody. they were walking inside the capitol building. many grandmas, many appeared to be almost ushered in. their only crime that the majority of the people that entered that building, i guess the only crime was maybe entering the bidding and many, quite honestly, didn't even realize that they were committing a violation of the law. that is the united states capitol, it's open to citizens, and it's the country's building. so i kind of question some of
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the motives of the d.o.j. and others who are claiming that every person inside that building is an insurrectionist. that term gets to be used quite a bit by the liberal media but nobody has obviously been charged with insurrection. so i pause at it relates to the 700 or so individuals that have been arrested by the f.b.i. and the dodge as related to their activities on that day. >> reporter: i've got to check your language. i heard you say it seemed some of them were ushered in. i didn't see anyone ushered in, i saw people breaking in. i want to come back to former president trump. at 4:00 on january 6th, you wrote this tweet after seeing what you did, you wrote, what i'm witnessing is a disgrace, violence is never an answer. strong twt from you. at tt moment, as of that time, president trump still had not told the rioters to go home, and we know there were many, many trump supporters in that crowd,
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if not the majority of the crowd, from my experience. did he do enough? what do you think his role was that day? >> well, i'm not in donald trump's head. i wasn't in the oval office or wherever he was positioned that day and i wasn't wasn't of his top advisors. i don't know, could he have maybe said something -- >> reporter: but he was our president. >> main he said something earlier, maybe he didn't. >> reporter: as a republican, you support him. >> but you alluded to earlier when i made the comment about being ushered in, nobody on this select committee, and it's pelosi's select committee, benny thompson is the puppet and she is the puppet master. you want to claim it's bipartisan, when you look at bipartisan, ms. cheney and kinzinger are pelosi republicans. kinzinger isn't running again and liz cheney is going to defeated in 2022. but that entire committee have one thing in common, they hate donald trump.
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they despise him. they talk aout him all the time and i kind of joke they have a serious crush on this guy because that's all they want to talk about. what they want to do is blame donald trump with january 6th with everything. they want to go after all his associates. they could do contempt of congress against bannon and then mark meadows. but nobody on this committee is asking the real difficult questions, the questions the american people need to know about and that is why were the capitol police so ill prepared to deal with it that day. >> reporter: how do you move forward and think we get past the divide in the country in a sentence or two. >> that's a difficult question. i think our country lacks overall faith. i think we need to get back basic principles and we're losing faith as a country, but there is that divide, unfortunately. i went to joe biden's inauguration on january 20th, and he got up there and said that he would work with his friends on the other side of the aisle and, quite honestly, as a member that's been there 12 months, i haven't seen any of
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it. i haven't seen any of it. joe biden despises president trump. he completely reversed his immigration policies, he completely reversed all these other things. so there is a divided country, and we must do better that. we owe it to the amican people to come together, but right now you just don't see it. i certainly don't see it from this administration. >> reporter: congressman troy nehls, we appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. god bless. >> woodruff: with few exceptions, members of the two political parties view january 6 very differently. for a democrat's take, we're joined now by the chairman of the house democratic caucus, representative hakeem jeffries of new york. congressman jeffries, thank you very much for being with us. i believe you heard at least part of what congressman knells was saying, but i want to ask you, you were on the floor of the house on january 6th.
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what memory do you take away from that day? >> well, what took place on january 6th was a violent attack on the congress, the capitol and the costitution, and it was, of course, incited by the former president of the united states donald trump who, for several months prior to january 6th, had perpetrated the big lie that he actually won the election and that itself stolen from him. he radicalized millions of people across the country, and some of them showed up on january 6th intent on effectively overthrowing the government and trying to halt the peaceful transfer of power. it's a day like pearl harbor and bloody sunday in selma, alabama, and like jept 11 that should live in infamy here in america and throughout the world. .>> woodruff: as we said, you were there on the floor. how close did it come to being even worse than it was?
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ultimately, the rioters weren't able to get into the house chamber, they did get into the senate. from your perspective, how close did they come? >> we came very close. i recall the sergeant at arms interrupting the debate underway with respect to the results in arizona, and he said something i can remember as vividly as if it was said just today h he said, the mob has breached the capitol, they're on the second floor, they're a few steps outside the house chamber. be prepared to hit the floor and secure the gas masks that are underneath your seats. i have been in congress at that point for eight years, never did i have any real understanding that there were gas masks in the house chambers, let alone would have to utilize them one day. and thankfully, at some point, the capitol police found an
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escape route, and they were able to safely evacuate members of congress, but many of us at that particular time thought we were actually going to have to fight for our lives. >> reporter: and when we heard congressman nehls referred to some or many people, in his words, ushered into the building, did you wiess that in any way? >> the capitol was violated. folks urinated, they desecrated the citadel of our democracy. this fantasy and fiction that for many people it was all wine and roses is spin. that's why the bipartisan january 6th select committee is so important in uncovering the truth, presenting it to the american people in terms of what happened, why it happened that day and also coming forward with recommendations as to how to prevent that type of violent atalk and assault on our democracy from ever happening again. judy, let me make this one point
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about the democratic and republican members of the select committee, benny thompson, liz cheney, they're doing a great job, no member of that committee hates donald trump, but they do love democracy, they do love america, we all do. we do love the peaceful transfer of power, and that's why we're committed to uncovering the truth. >> woodruff: and you've spoken about how, in fact, congresswoman cheney approached you as the assault of the capitol took place, spoke to you about how to hold president trump accountable. she, congresswoman kinzinger now serving on that committee, they are the tiny minority in their party. have any republicans in the house spoken to you privately reflecting any views differently from what we're hearing from the republican leadership in the house? >> well, the republican leadership has completely abdicated any responsibility in the context of ensuring that the
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events around january 6th never happen again and that they shouldn't be looked at through a partisan lens because that was an american tragedy. now, there are dozens of house republicans that did fortunately vote to certify the election of joe biden, and i do have conversations with many of them. they did the right thing that night and hopefully will continue to try to do the right thing and stand up to the efforts by donald trump and his authoritarian co-conspirators to really obliterate american democracy, which would not be good for anyone, not good for democrats, not good for republicans, not good for independents, not good for america. >> woodruff: but do you tnk there are more than the ten who voted to impeach him later? are we looking at a situation where there may be more closet republicans who are prepared to stand up, or is what you see
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what there is? >> well, it's my hope that republicans of good will beyond liz cheney and adam kinzinger and those who voted to hold donald trump accountable for that violent insurrection through they are impeachment vote will stand up and reclaim their party. republicans are not the party of ronald reagan, john mccain, bob dole, george h.w. bush or george w. bush or mitt romney. they are the party of donald trump and a violent insurrection. take your party back for the good of america. >> woodruff: congressman, i want to turn to something that has grown out of what happened that day and that is to challenge the effort by the democrats to get voting rights reform legislation passed. up until now, no republicans have, at least in the senate, have expressed a willingness to do this, but just in the last few days we are hearing from some republicans that they'd --
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might be willing to look at the way the electoral vote is counted instead of voting rights reform. is that something that you think could be acceptable? >> well, it's not an either/or situation. we have to do both. the right to vote is sacred to the integrity of our democracy. this principle of one person-one vote and government of the people and by the people and for the people is really brought to life by every single american being able to exercise their franchise, choosing who represents them at all levels of government. so we've got to elevate that because we have a voter suppression epidemic that has taken place across the country and the john robert lewis voting rights act and the freedom to vote act are critical in making sure we push back against that. at the same time, this principle of the peaceful transfer of power, which is central to american democracy, republican presidents handing off to democratic presidents and vice
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versa, that was interrupted and almost disrupted permanently on january 6th and reforming the electoral account vote act is an important thing that should be done to tighten up some loose ends that exist right now in that peaceful transfer of power. >> woodruff: congressman, in the time we have left, it is a political year, midterm elections coming in november, doesn't look like a good year at this point for democrats, for historical reasons and others. what would you like to see president biden do that could help the democratic prospects this november? >> well, president biden is doing a great job in making sure that we confront the covid crisis anchored in science and evidence in a decisive fashion and he will continue to lead in that way at the same time, deal with the economic challenges that we confront inflation,
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continue to create millions of good paying jobs and then we'll have to sell the american people on what we've done and will be able to do that particularly when we get the build back better act over the finish line. >> woodruff: how confident are you that can happen given the opposition in your own party in the senate. >> i'm very confident. we're a coalition, and, so, we have to work with the various components of that coalition including senators manchin and sinema. i believe president biden, who knows the senate perhaps better than any president in modern american history, he'll get it done. >> woouff: are you brairpt to see big changes in the build back better bill, as it is is, for example, cutting in half the threshold household income amount for the child x credit? >> well, the tax cut for children and families through the child tax credit has been transformational for working families, low income families and middle class families and i
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think we have to continue to keep it robust. but let's have a conversation and see what senator manchin comes up with. at the end of the day we need a product that desiesms makes life better for everyday americans and if we get that product, it's something i can live with. >> woodruff: so maybe something below 400,000 household income. speaker pelos says she does intend to serve through the remainder of this term, but if she decides not to run for leadership again, are you going to run for your party's top position in the house? >> well, i've got a job to do as comair of the house democratic caucus and i also have to go back to the voters to try to get my two-year employment contract renewed in 2022, so i'm going to keep the focus on that for the moment. >> woodruff: we will leave it there. representative hakeem jeffries of new york, the chair of the democratic caucus, thank you very much. >> thank you.
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>> woodruff: the attack on the u.s. capitol nearly one year ago was based on a “big lie” about election fraud in 2020, and the hope of supporters of former president trump that they could stop the certification of electoral vote results. but starting that day, there's been a new misinformation campaign to recast, downplay, and misrepresent the events that unfolded at the capitol. amna nawaz reports. >> nawaz: they broke through barricades, assaulted police, smashed their way into the capitol, and sent lawmakers into hiding. yet, even as the attack was playing out, there were already alrnative narratives being spun about who was to blame. >> some reports that antifa sympathizers may have been sprinkled throughout the crowd. >> possibly antifa insurrectionists possibly could have infiltrated some of these movements and maybe instigated some of this.
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>> the "washington times" has just reported some pretty compelling evidence from a facial recognition company showing that some of the people who breached the capitol today were not trump supporters. they were masquerading as trump supporters and, in fact, were members of the violent terrorist group, antifa! >> in the first hours and days afterward, you could see trump and his allies and supporters sort of groping for what the appropriate narrative was. >> nawaz: david graham is a staff writer at “the atlaic” magazine. >> so, on the one hand, you had trump coming out with his video on the day of saying, "we love you, but now go home." but you also saw people saying, "oh, this is agitators. it was antifa. it was black lives matter." >> nawaz: that, despite contemporaneous texts between pundits on fox and the white house showing they thought trump supporters were responsible. when subsequent arrests confirmed that publicly, the narrative on the rht shifted to downplay the violence that day. here's former president trump on fox in march.
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>> right from the start it was zero threat. look, they went in, they shouldn't have done it. some of them went in and they're hugging and kissing the police and the guards. >> there was no insurrection and to call it an insurrection, in my opinion, is a boldfaced lie. >> nawaz: republican congressman andrew clyde at a hearing in may: >> you know, if you didn't know the tv footage was a video from jan the 6th, you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit. >> it was strange to see somebody like, you know, congressman andrew clyde, of georgia, who we saw in videos and footage from january 6 helping to bar the doors, suddenly saying, "well, these were just tourists, they were walking through." >> nawaz: another recurrent theme: shifting focus away from january 6 and towards protests for black lives matter the year before. republican congressman clay higgins of louisiana: >> 19 people died during b.l.m. riots last year. hundreds and hundreds were injured. 2,000 police officers were injured from b.l.m. riots last
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year. >> nawaz: voices on the right have also recast those awaiting trial for their part in the attack as “political prisoners”" here's republican congressman paul gosar of arizona last month: >> these are dads, brothers, veterans, teachers. all political prisoners who continue to be persecuted and endure the pain of unjust suffering. ( shooting ) >> reporter: so, too, with the death of ashli babbitt, the air force veteran shot by capitol police as she attempted to breach the speaker's lobby. here's republican representative jody hice of georgia in may: >> in fact, it was trump supporters who lost their lives that day, not trump supporters who were taking the lives of others. >> nawaz: former president trump reinforced that in a july interview on fox. >> who was the person who shot an innocent, wonderful, incredible woman-- a military woman-- right in the head? >> the idea that they were all motivated by these good
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intentions. they believe the election was stolen which, of course, was false. it was a lie that had been peddled to them by the president and many of his allies. but they were going in and they wanted to stand up for what was right that they were sort of like the, you know, the american revolutionaries or, like, you know, the confederate rebels who wanted to really uphold the best of the constitution. >> nawaz: in an october piece “" the atlantic,” graham explored this idea, how those who committed criminal acts to stop a democratic process have been recast by the far right as heroes, patriots and martyrs for a just cause, much like the confederate soldiers celebrated by the mythology of the “lost cause.” the fact that those people are referred to by some in these circles as patriots, what does that do to the narrative? >> it makes them into the, you know, the heirs of what was right. it turns something that was one of the darker moments in american history into one of the brighter ones, into a moment of unity and, and rebellion against what's wrong and standing up for what's right, which i think is really dangerous. if we can turn that something like this, something that's an
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assault on a constitutional process, into a moment of triumph and a moment of, sort of, lodestar for what's to come, i think that doesn't bode well for american democracy. >> nawaz: these efforts could be working. an npr/newshour/marist poll conducted last month showed a sharp partisan divide over how americans view what happened on january 6, the legitimacy of investigations into it, and decreasing blame for president trump, even as the former president continues to push the lie at the heart of january 6. the durability of that lie, where does that fit into, sort of, the larger misinformation campaign, the very thing that brought people out on january 6 in the first place? >> well it's essential to the legitimacy of trump as a political actor today. if he's somebody who had the election stolen from him, that makes him still a sort of heroic figure and a more legitimate leader, perhaps, than joe biden in the eyes of his supporters. and that makes it, that enables
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a lot of other information. >> nawaz: information-- or more accurately, misinformation-- questioning or undermining everything from measures to stop the spread of covid-19 to the safety and efficacy of vaccines, from bogus stories about vaccines tracking and controlling americans to campaigns to stop teachers from talking about race or racism in schools. >> when people in the trumpist orbit spread misinformation about joe biden or they spread misinformation about vaccines or about covid, all of these spring from his legitimacy as, as, you know, the real elected leader, which depends on the lie of the election being stolen. >> nawaz: for more on the misinformation surrounding january 6, and how it's spread and evolved, i'm joined by two people who track and study just that. jennifer kavanagh is a senior political strategist at the rand corporation. she co-authored the booktruth decay," about the rise of misinformation. and claire wardle is the u.s. director of first draft as a nonprofit that tracks misinformation online.
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welcome to you both, and thank you for being here. claire, i'll begin with you. as we just saw immediately after the capital attack, there were already alternative narratives being spun despite live pictures, live reports, people seeing in real time. even today, we should point out in our latest news, our npr/ marist poll shows that divide on how americans saw that day. 89% of democrats say january 6 was an insurrection, was a threat to democracy, but only 10% of republicans agree with that. how does that happen? >> because there was a foundation being laid all the way through 2020. and then, from election day onwards, this "stop the steal" narrative was emerging this idea that the election was not safe, that the election was stolen. there was this drip, drip, drip, throughout november and december. and so, when we had the events of january, very quickly, very smart people began shaping these narratives that already had a foundation that made sense to people who wanted to believe a
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certain worldview. >> nawaz: jennifer, talk to me about the role of news and journalism in all this, because you have studied this about the declining trust in news american skepticism around news. how much do you think that contributed to people being willing to say, "what you're reporting, what you're showing me, i don't believe?" >> it played a big role. i mean, people get their information from specific sources. and whenhey see information coming to them from sources that they don't trust, they tend to discard that information. it's also really hard to change people's minds once they've made it up. and so, when people see additional information coming down that contradicts that they're not they're not ready to discard what they've been believing for mont or what they've been hearing from their trusted figures. so, this the fact that people have such low trust in media plays a big role in their lack of their lack of ability to change their mind, and the difficulty that we face in trying to spread accurate information after the fact. >> nawaz: claire, we know one of the main ways in which that information was spread even well before the capital attack was on
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social media, right, we saw even leading up to that day. the whole stuff is still narrative how those groups not only organized online, but then mobilize online got people to show up in real life to commit criminal acts after that organization. what responsibility lies with the company behind those social media platforms? >> when you look back at the timeline, it was only september of 2020 when twitter started marking as false tweets from the president, for example, sayi that the vote couldn't be trusted. so, i think the platform's absolutely weren't ready for this. and then, as we saw on essentially january 7 and 8, they panicked and like dominoes they all started changing their policies and deplatforming. but the disinformation ecosystem is really participatory and engaging. and that's what's happening on these platforms. i don't think that much has changed in a year. that's what we should be more worried about, which is not to see it as a one off, but what changes do the platforms make, and i would say, not enough. >> nawaz: jennifer, you've used this phrase "truth decay" in your work, and nowhere have we seen that more potently then
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when it comes to the pandemic and disinformation on social media and other placesround the efficacy of vaccines and the efficacy of mitigation measures. and these are all things that are backed by science, they're backed by data. but as you lay out, there's declining trust in those two things. so, can that decay, as you lay it out, can it be reversed? >> the challenge is that disinformation tends to have an emotional component, as claire described, is participatory. it becomes part of the believers identity. and so, trying to reverse the decay as you described, it is not simple. it's very, very challenging. because you're actually having to break into people's worldview and change how they see the world. this is a challenge for a whole range of stakeholders. social media companies are one. researchers and scientists are another. how do we make data, whether it's vaccines or covid, or election integrity, how do we make that narrative compelling to people who are not inclined to believe it on one piece of
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that feedback? who provides the messages? there's a concept of strategic messengers trusted people within communities that are vulnerable or at risk for believing conspiracies i think election integrity is one of those cases where identifying allies within the communities that are vulnerable to that information is, is a challenge, and i don't think it's a challenge that has been addressed yet, which is why this conspiracies and disinformation around the 2020 election continue to thrive. >> nawaz: claire, you've also done some work on this about how people can arm themselves right how they can outsmart misinformation or disinformation campaigns, whether it is around elections or political candidates, or vaccines or the pandemic. what are some of those tactics? what should people know? >> so, what the research shows is whilst it's important to have fact checking, what we should be doing is actually rather than focusing on the individual boom or conspiracy, teaching people the tactics of those who are trying to manipulate them, because what the research shows is, whoever you are, you know,
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whatever your political persuasion or even education leve nobody wants to believe that they're being hoaxed or fooled. so, the more that mmunities can work with each other to teach them well, you know, if you see a text message that says, my brother works for the government, and he's telling me dot, dot, dot, and anecdote was jennifer just said that in itself, teaching people well just be a little bit more savvy about that because that's a known tactic. so, the more we can teach people tactics and techniques, rather than waiting for the room and then kind of playing whack a mole. we're actually seeing the research show that's a much more effective way of giving people the building the resilience that means that when they spot when they see misinformation, then they're more likely to identify it. >> nawaz: claire, i have to ask, after all the work you've done, and jennifer wants the same thing of you with misinformation and disinformation so prolific now being pronounced and perpetuated from even the highest office in the land at times, do you have hope that that can be brought back under control? >> i still have hope, otherwise i wouldn't get up every day. but i think what we have to realize is this is a very long game. i'd say, you know, this is the, the battle of our lives the next
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20-30 years around climate elections, vaccines, health, and we need to start thinking that this is a long game. >> nawaz: jennifer, what about you? >> yeah, i agree with claire. i think it's important to recognize that this is the challenge that we face now in the world over several decades, and it's going to take just as long to figure out a way to manage the situation. so, really thinking about this from a holistic perspective, and understanding that whatever future we work to that's hopefully better than what than what we face today. it's not going to look the same as 20 or 30 years ago. the goal isn't to put the cat back in the bag. the goal is to figure out, sort of, what we want online spaces to look like, what we want our society to look like, and how we want to interact in that way. and i guess that's what gives me hope, and thinking that we can, we can work towards that that better future rather than thinking about how we make things go back to the way they were. >> nawaz: jennifer cavanaugh and claire wardle, thank you so much
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to both of you for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> woodruff: the omicron variant now accounts for 95% of covid cases in the u.s. public health officials say its effects are milder than the delta variant, but omicron's high transmissibility is still sending large numbers of people into the hospital william brangham has an update from one particularly hard-hit state: louisiana. >> reporter: thanks, judy, yes, the omicron surge just exploded across louisiana. in the middle of december, 196 people were hospitalized with covid in the stte. now over 1,200 people are. that is a six-fold increase in just thr weeks.
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while this is still well below the number of people hospitaled during the delta wave this summer, children have been particularly impacted during this wave. for more on all this, i'm joined by dr. mark kline, the physician in chief at children's hospital new orleans. dr. kline, very good to have you on the "newshour". can you just give us a sense of what you're seeing in your hospital, who are the patients coming in, how are they doing? >> thanks for having me, william. you know, we have been hard hit by omicron. the amount of community transmission that's going on in new orleans and across louisiana is astonishing, and, so, we know that there are lots and lots of infected children in the community as there are adults in the community with this virus, and our hospitalizations have gone up very dramatically from three children in the hospital for covid just two weeks ago to 23 in the hospitaloday,
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including three in the pediatric intensive care unit. many of the children we're seeing who require hospitalization and more intensive care have underlying medical conditions but about a third do not. they're perfectly healthy children otherwise. so this is very much tracking like the delta surge did over the course of the summer where we see a lot of children sick in the community. fortunately, most of them with relatively mild illness, recovering uneventfully in many cases, but a good portion requiring hospitalization and even intensive care. >> reporter: we know kids five and up are eligible to be vaccinated. are most of these kids in the hospital vaccinated or not? >> no, i can tell you a snapshot of the 23 children who are hospitalized at children's hospital new orleans right now is that none have been vaccinated. kids five and older, of course, are eligible. the rate of vaccination
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nationally for children between five and eleven years of age is just 23%, and for children 12 to 17 years of age, it's about 60%. we're doing a little bit better there, but we have a long way to go for both the younger children and for the adolescents to get them vaccinated and protected. here in louisiana, the numbers are even lower, and, so, it's a very unfortunate thing. this is our ticket out of this pandemic, and we can almost assure that a vaccinated child will not bill enough with covid to require hospitalization. >> reporter: do you or your staff have the unto talk to these kids' parents about why they chose not to vaccinate their kids or haven't yet? >> yeah, and it's a mix. there are parents who certainly express regret concerning the decision not to have their children vaccinated. there are others who remain
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adamant that they will not and would not, even if they had known their child would come down with covid. i think, for the most part, what i have seen over the past year is that most of the parents who are unvaccinated and the parents who have failed to vaccinate their children are not hardline anti-vaxxers, they're not this group that thinks that vaccines are evil or poison. they are people who have doubts, they're skeptical of the speed with which the vaccine was developed, they're worried that corners may have been cut, they're worried that there's just too little experience with the vaccine in children. but, you know, we're dealing with this pandemic right now. children are gettg sick right now. unfortunately, almost 1,000 american children have died of covid, already. so the time to protect our children is right now. >> reporter: the c.d.c.,
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again, reiterated this belief that -- or this evidence that omicron does seem to be milder, certainly for adults, and they argue for children as well, and that's led some people to think, oh, milder means, okay, we can relax a little bit. it sounds like your experience is that that's not necessarily the right message. >> yeah, you know, william, i hope that it's milder, i hope it turns out omicron is milder. i hope it's not just wishful thinking. i think it may well be true that a smaller proportion of children infected with omicron will require hospitalization, but for those children who do require hospitalization, i have not seen the evidence as yet that their hospital courses will be milder in some way, and i'm worried that we will still see children who are seriously or critically ill, and i hate to make a
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prediction like this, but i worry very much that we will see some deaths. and, so, you know, i always emphasize to parents and to doctors when i'm talking to them that, you know, statistics are fine at a population level, and to say that children rarely die of covid is true on a population basis, but if the child who dies happens to be your child, it's 100% for you. >> reporter: dr. mark kline, position in chief at children's hospital new orleans. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you, william. >> woodruff: a 1,500-year-old statue of the hindu god krishna just got a 21st century makeover
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at the cleveland museum of art. from pbs station ideastream public media, david c. barnett takes us behind the scenes to see how the museum has reassembled an ancient puzzle. it's part of our arts and culture series, "canvas." >> reporter: the cleveland museum of art has tried for decades to do right by this guy. he first arrived at the museum in the 1970s, broken into pieces. curators tried putting him back together, but didn't quite get it right. then, about four years ago, a new generation of museum staffers decided to try again. it's been a long journey. the story actually starts hundreds of years ago in southern cambodia, near the entrance of a sacred site at the twin-peaked mountain of phnom da. it was there where sculptors carved the image of the hindu god krishna. this popular deity was depicted
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holding a mountain over his head like an umbrella, to protect his worshippers from a torrential rainstorm. >> the ritual to make this sculpture sacred when it was installed, part of the installation included putting tokens, they're called, tokens of gold, inside the pedestal. and so, poor thieves looking for gold would topple the sculptures to get the gold. >> reporter: around 1912, a group of french archeologists first discovered the broken pieces. those pieces were then bought, sold, and traded a number of times over the next six decades. for instance, a rich belgian banker liked the head and torso, but wasn't that interested in the rest of it. >> so, they buried the pieces. some of them were used as edgings, you know, for the garden. >> reporter: a curatorial crew from the cleveland museum of art dug the pieces out of the garden in 1975, and they attempted to reassemble the ancient statue.
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>> it is not easy. these pieces are, there's no joints remaining between them. the angles are difficult. >> reporter: and a key piece was missing: the left hand which holds the mountain over krishna's head. it turns out that fragment had been mistakenly attached to a different statue, still in cambodia. the museum of art conservationists used 3d imaging from case western reserve university to uncover this, and discover any other potentially misplaced parts. 3d printing technology was used to create a plastic duplicate of the sculpture. that made it easier for staff to see how the pieces went together. the distance between the elbow and wrist is rather short and that the one of the reasons they didn't put the hand piece on in the 19 # 70s. we have sort of more mounting evidence that it does belong, including the petro graphic studies, looking at the type of
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stone and how they match each other anthere's a really good join there, so we are convinced it does belong to this sculpture. >> it's the new digital technology that really turned the >> so, it's that new digital technology that really turned the corner with making the decision that it does belong to the cleveland krishna. >> reporter: and getting krishna's hand from cambodia happened thanks to another mythic hindu figure: hanuman, the monkey god. the museum acquired this sculpture in 1982, and visitors loved to pose with it. but in 2015, sonya rhie mace found through research that hanuman, purchased in good faith, had liky been looted from his home country in the 1970s. cleveland museum of art director william griswold contacted the cambodian secretary of state and made arrangements to return the hanuman sculpture. >> the deputy prime minister and i signed an agreement transferring titles or possession of the of the hanuman to the kingdom of cambodia.
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dignitaries from all over the world laid garlands of flowers on the sculpture of hanuman, which we had shipped back to cambodia just a few days earlier. >> reporter: that goodwill gesture from the museum, led to the reunification of krishna and his hand. for the past four years, the museum's conservation staff has worked to restore the aging sculpture to its divine glory. >> o of the main challenges is that when this sculpture was assembled in the 1970s, it was assembled with no intention of it ever coming apart again. but, over the years since then, the conservation field has moved a little farther in the direction of thinking more long- term, and making sure that everything that we do can be undone by someone else, because we've started to realize that nothing is permanent. >> reporter: it's been a long
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journey, covering thousands of miles and hundreds of years. >> i love the hand. it's so subtle. like, that index finger bends ever so slightly, because he's a it never ceases to amaze me. >> reporter: and in a time of national and international disagreements and tensions, it's an example of collaboration, in the name of art and culture. for the pbs newhour, i'm david c. barnett in cleveland. >> woodruff: thank you. and on the newshour online, an asian american pioneer in l.g.b.t. civil rights, jim toy, died this week at age 91. toy, who is believed to be the first person to come out publicly in the state of michigan, is remembered by his colleagues as a tireless, yet unsung leader who advanced the cause for queer people in the midwest and beyond.
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