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announcer: and now, "bbc world news". ♪ ros: i'm ros atkins. welcome to "outside source." four of boris johnson's top aides have quit downing street, one of them directly criticizing the prime minister for his jimmy savile attack on keir starmer. the downing street chief of staff has quit as well as his principal private secretary. they joined the director of communications and earlier in the day the policy chief munira mirza. we are lined with our politil correspondent. the u.s. says it has killed the leader of the islamic state in syria in an overnight raid. president biden: last night's operation took a mor terrorist leader of battlef and sent a strong message to terrorists
around the world. we will come after you and find you. ros: the pentagon says that he blew himself up in his home. 13 people died, three of his own children. new zealand is opening up its borders. >> moving to a new city in the middle of a pandemic in america is not the easiest thing to do. phone calls and skype, facetime and all of that, but nothing places being at home. ros: and a row over the final resting place of captain cook's endeavor ship after australia claims they have found the wreck. we have to start in the u.k. there have been a series of blows for boris johnson's leadership. four of his closest aides have resigned all in one day.
our political correspondent is live in oxford. we know the prime minister is adept at navigating troubled times but this is quite the day. how do these people fit into his operation? >> it does. lots of people inside and outside of the conservative party willay, my goodness, is this the wheels finally coming up of the boris johnson machine? one would separate them out a little bit. the three men as it were, martin reynolds, jack doyle, dan rosenfeld, you could see their resignation as something that boris johnson had been promising to do anyway. the idea that there would have to be a restart at 10 downing street, redo the operation. the really damaging one is munira mirza. a, because she resigned on a matter of principle, accusing the prime minister of inappropriate partisan behavior. really cutting stuff.
not from some junior member of staff, but somebody who had been with him on his whole journey as a politician from mayor of london. i would make that one separate from the other three. ros: interesting you emphasize she had been th them for a number of years. mr. johnson is curious as a politician because he doesn't build up alliances around himself, is in some ways a political loner. >> in some ways that is true in terms of other politicians. perhaps because he is one of those big beasts in politics and doesn't like any other rivals. there is a difference between that -- quite often politicians are not only with other politicians -- but who do have a loyal band of advisors. i know some of his advisors, and they stick to him, people behind the scenes whose names that you don't know.
that is why i'm saying this stands out. munira mirza has been one of those people that has been behind him all the way, has not wanted publicity at all. for her to go in this way, that is why i said at the start, you will hear people saying, no one that people heard of, maybe, but the sense that if people like that are deserting him, he is in big trouble. ros: she has resigned over the fact that the prime minister made a false claim about the leader of the opposition in parliament at the beginning of the week. what do we understand about the reasons the other three have gone? personal reasons, because change is coming, all of the rows around the downing street parties? which factors are at play here? >> very helpfully, you answered the question for me. it is a mix of all of those things with the other three. jack doyle said it put a terrible strain on him.
although dan rosenfeld was not involved in the parties, he joined after that. he has been criticized for not getting a grip on the whole 10 downing street operation. martin reynolds, the principal private secretary, he was the guy that sends out the emails to people saying bring your own bottles. ros: finally, i wonder to what degree the stops the regular working of government. today we had the finance minister, rishi sunak, talking about supporting people as energy prices go up. but this feels like a dish overshadowing everything. >> this is what government spin would tell you, we are getting onith the job of looking after people's priorities, but everyone knows it would be immensely naive. when you have something as big as something to as party gate, all of these issues with personnel movement, it is audibly paralyzing. you can talk to any political
journalist or indeed any conservative politician, and they will tell you that morale is rock-bottom at downing street, of course this is being investigated by the polic it has an effect. these people are humans, not robots. ros: looking at some copy in our newsroom. martineynolds, the principal private secretary to the prime minister, has informed the prime minister of his intention to stand down. mr. johnson thanked him, and mr. rosenfeld, for there can't be shipped tohe government including their work on the pandemic response and economic recovery. pleasantries all around. help me understand the role of the principal private sector. that phrase doesn't mean much to most of us. >> no, it slightly implies that he will be choosing the bottle of wine's, what suit to wear. it is none of that really. what they do is sort of organize the prime minister's agenda, who
he sees, what policy proposals are put to him. they help boris johnson be prime minister. this will sound really tedious, but there are all sorts of logistics. you cannot have a free-for-all, anyone who likes can go see the prime minister. they are kind of gatekeepers, enablers, people that ke it happen. that is why i said there is a difference between their resignation. anybody was watching on monday, they would have heard thatromise from boris johnson that he would up his game, change things at the downing street operations. that the parch or fits into that, as uncomfortable as it may be, but it is the resignation of munira mirza that is different and personal. ros: perhaps not anything that any of us could have predicted, but she resigned not because of the lockdown parties because of thisquip that mr. johnson used
while making a statement about the lockdown parties earlier in the week. you look at parliament a great deal. did that stand out, that statement he made about the leader of the opposition as ouide of the norm? >> yes. just from looking at the faces of mps, including those on boris johnson's own side, they winced. one of the most senior conservati mps, known as the chief whip, the guy that gets everybody into line, he had said this was ordly inappropriate baby you have had many conservatives publicly and privately saying, whoa, prime minister, to come up with a slur like this, it is not what you are supposed to do. if you look at the dynamics this week -- on the weekend, it looked like was doing better, but the slur againstr starmer, that really upset a lot
of people. it has clearly upset someonen his own camp. ros: thank you very much indeed. a reminder that four of boris johnson's top aides have reside in quick succession. dan rosenfeld, martin reynolds principal privateecretary, ck doyle, director of communications, and munira mirza , is policy chief. all have gone for different reasons. munira mirza said it has to do with the false claim that johnson made about the leader of the opposition. the director of communications said it was a difficult few weeks for his family. he has not elaborated on that but it is believed that is related to the pressures around the lockdown parties. for people watching outside the u.k., remind us, where have we gotten without lockdown party story? >> as we had on monday, an interim report, very restrained
by this government official. basically, if you read between the lines, it's at all sorts of things happen that shouldn't have happened, way below the standards of government. that was down to failures of leadership across 10 downing street. where we are now, that was constrained, because there is a police investigation going on into whether people should be fined, if they were violations of lockdown restrictions. ros: thank you very much. let's bring in our colleague in westminster. apologize, we have not got him in westminster. four of boris johnson's top aides have reside in quick succession. even the resignation of the first most significant because the policy chief, munira mirza, has be with johnson for many years. she has been with boris johnson not just in downing street but through the brexit campaign and all the way to when he was mayor of london. >> yes, she says 14 years.
if you don't mind, i may read a little bit of the letter. she says i have served you for 14 years, it's been a privilege to do so. " you are a better man than many of your detectors well understand, which is why it is desperately s that you let yourself down by making a scurrilous accusation against the leader of the opposition." she goes on to say, " i hope you find it in yourself to apologize for a great misjudgment made under huge pressure." ros: in terms of the practicalities, for those w are not keen students of the internal workings of downing street -- and i include myself in that group -- how quickly can one replace four people in roles like that? >> it is quite an undertaking. these four people, if you think about it, two are responsible
for shaping the prime minister's entire approach to his day, how he deals with the country, parliament. jack doyle is responsible for have the prime minister communicates with us in the media, through to the people of this country. course, munira mirza is at the absolute heart of the policymaking machinery. that is throwing out ideas, if we made this promise to level up the country as a result of leaving theu, how will we do it? this is a big deal. boris johnson is hoping that the departure of the three men involved will be a part of this case -- i understood the criticisms, i will remake my operation at 10 downing street. but even that will not be easy. you could make the argument, as people are around british politics, who on earth would want to join this operation? it is looking very fragile,
indeed. boris johnson is not looking like a hot property, if you are an up-and-coming policy walk. -- wonk. ros: he has some issues on his plate. thank you very much. a reminder, with all the heat and noise around boris johnson at the moment, to be removed, you would need to have over 50 letters requesting a no-confidence vote from tory mps. we are nowhere near that. think just 10 have sent those letters. while there is controversy and pressure around him, the only thing that could change this are tory mps. at the moment, nowhere near enough to trigger a vote of no-confidence. even if that happened,any more would have to vote against him. boris johnson's policy chief resigned, the first of thfour resignations. and it was all connected to the prime minister making this false claim. prime minister johnson: this leader of the opposition, a former director of public
prosecutions we spent most of his time prosecuting journalists and did not prosecute jimmy savile. ros: but there is no evidence to support what mr. johnson said. in herman's ignition letter, munira mirza writes, i believe it was wrong for you to accuse keir starmer for being responsible for allowing jimmy savile to avoid justice. munira mirza says her resignation is not just about the allegation but what happened since. this is the deputy prime minister on tuesday describing what happened the day before. >> parliamentary debates and exchanges. ros: in response, she writes, this was not the usual cut and thrust of politics, it was a response to a horrendous case of child sex abuse. on wednesday, the prime minister was challenged by keir starmer. >> now their leader stands in the house of commons parroting the conspiracy theories of violent fascists to score cheap
lyrical points. ros: to which boris johnson replied -- prime minister johnson: i h been informed that in 2030, the right honorable gentlemen apologized and took full responsibility for what had happened on his watch. i think, mr. speaker, that was the right thing to do. ros: keir starmer was the director of public prosecution for five years. he did commission a report in 2013. the bbc reports that opportunities to prosecute savile were missed because prosecutors did not take the allegations seriously. he said i want to take the opportunity to apologize for the shortcomings in these cases. but this is not, as the prime minister alleged, failing to prosecute jimmy savile. cps told the bbc there is no reference in the report to any involvement in the decision-making in the process. no known involvement at the
time, no involvement detailed in the report. remember, boris johnson said keir starmer had -- prime minister johnson: prosecute a journalist and failed to prosecute jimmy savile. ros: that is the reason munira mirza has given for resigning. it is a broader story now. our correspondent is in westminster. take us through the latter two resignations of the day first. >> these latest two just this evening, downing street confirming. one of them is dan rosenfeld. he was boris johnson's chief of staff. he is significant because he was brt in one year ago to study the ship and to bring more control to the heart of boris johnson's operation. he was brought in after dominic cummings. he was forced johnson's then closest advisor that helped to
mastermind the brexit boat, fell out with mr. johnson, quit the downing street operation, and then became one of mr. johnson's bid ask critics. dan rosenfield was brought into study those things but he has resigned. the prime minister has accepted that he is gone. the other one is martin reynolds. he is the prime minister's principal private secretary. he is a civil servant, former diplomat. he came in a little bit earlier, not long after mr. johnson moved into downing street. he came in to run the office as the civil servant in boris johnson's office. he is the one who sent in email that are merged about a party inviting 100 staff, a garden party in downing street in may 2020, at the time when the country was in lkdown.
that now infamous email said, we want you to come and enjoy the hot summer weather, and byob. bring your own booze. he has been a name in the frame in all of those investigations. he, too, offered his resignation. the prime minister thanks them for thr significant contribution and will continue in their roles as successors are appointed. ros: one thing that i'm trying to navigate, and you'll be able to help me on this, while the attention has been on the lockdown parties, we have had these four resignations and they don't seem to be for the same reasons. >> we will have to see exacy how to explain it. munira mirza, certainly, that first resignation we had today, she was the head of the policy unit. she gave a different reason, as you were outlining just before.
that was the issue around those comments the prime minister made about the leader of the opposition, keir starmer, saying that he was responsible for the failure to investigate or prosecute jimmy savile. later after he died, mr. sabol was shown to be a prolific sexual offender. that was a false claim that was debunked the prime minister made that in the comments. that cause a lot of disquiet among people in the concert party, mps saying that that was a slur, the prime minister should retract it. munira mirza saying that she urged the prime minister to walk that back, the claim. he did not do that today and that is the reason she said she was leaving. the others, possibly different reasons. jack doyle was at the heart of the communications. we have seen since the party gate scandals have merged,
downing street has been under pressure, the prime minister giving different explanations and different points that people have scrutinized. the other two, martin reynolds, his name had come up because of the email he sent. dan rosenfield at the heart of it, chief of staff. different roles, different parts of the organization. ros: let's get further reaction to this. our political editor has tweeted, four of the top staff at number 10 have gone. it as to a sense of instability around the pm. the guardian writes, if this was always the plan, it doesn't look like it. a reporter from the mirror -- is meant to be an all-star meeting tomorrow, assuming there is any
staff there. at this point, with the director of kim locations no loer in the job, how is downing street talking to us about what is happening? >> i just got a message from my colleague saying that at the minute downing street -- they say the prime minister has accepted the resignations, and recruitment for the posts are underway. boris johnson gave an interview this evening before the latter three came out. at that point, he was being asked about the first resignation, munira mirza. he was sticking by what he said. he was asked, munira mirza called it inappropriate and partisan what you haone. he said i don't agree with that. we will wait to hear more from downing street, but the feeling is we have had those key figures around mr. johnson, wait to see
if more will go. ros: a reminr, four of boris johnson's top aids have resigned. joe biden says the leaderf the islamic state group has been killed in an overnight rate in syria. idlib province is close to the turkish border. this image was released by the white house. we see the president and the vice president together with military chiefs watching a live feed of the operation. here is joe biden. president biden: last night operation took a major terrorist leader of the battlefield and sent a strong message to terrorists around the world we will come after you and find you. ros: the white house says al-qurayshi detonated a bomb
during the raid, blowing himself up, as well as members of his family. it is estimated 13 people were killed iluding six children. let's hear from one eyewitness. >> in the middle of the night, we felt a windstorm. we went out and saw planes above us. 10 minutes later we heard screams, surrender, the house is surrounded. we heard fire. there was a showing from airplanes and machine guns. ros: here is what we know. al-qurayshi became the leader of is in october 2019. he played a major role in the 2014 campaign. he also oversaw the terror group's global operations. here is our middle east correspondent in beirut. >> this was a late night raid close to the border with turkey.
what we are told is that u.s. special versus moved in using multiple helicopters. people living in the area reported hearing loudspeakers with messages in arabic telling women and children to leave the area. what's also interesting to note, the amount of fighting that happened on the ground. this was a welfortified position. we are told when u.s. special forces troops moved in, there were fighters ready toepel them on the ground. those fighters had vehicles with antiaircraft guns counted on them and put up stiff opposition to that u.s. raid. we were told earlier in the morning by the pentagon that the raid was a success. we didn't know immediately what that meant. they said none of the u.s. special forces had been killed or injured in the raid. we do know that 13 civilians lost their lives. the syrian white helmets, who do humanitarian work in the area, said they recovered 13 bodies, including six children and four
women, and had brought various people to hospital involved. a few hours later, it was confirmed by u.s. president joe biden that they had killed the leader of the islamic state group abu ibrahim al-qurayshi. he has been in charge of the oup since 2019, since the previous leader was killed, and an almost identical rated to this one by coalition forces in syria. ros: a reminr of our top story. prime minister boris johnson has lost or members of his top team. dan rosenfield, martin reynolds, director of commit occasions jack doyle, and communications chief munira mirza. mr. johnson is already facing increasing questions over his leadership connected to the lockdown parties in number 10. the director of can indications jack doyle told staff that the recent weeks have taken a terrible toll on my family life. there is ongoing coverage on the bbc website.
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