i'm chris wallace. low enrollment numbers and millions of canceled policies have the white house on the ropes. >> we fumbled the ball and i'm going to make sure question get it fixed. >> but the so called fix is not very impressing. we'll talk with the head of america's health insurance plan karen ignagni and ben nelson, the national association of

insurance commissioners. in wyoming, a bitter running. >> i'm running because i believe if is necessary for a new generation of leaders to step up to the plate. >> liz cheney joins us live in our first sunday show interview since her announcement to run. plus it's been 50 years since the assassination of john f. kennedy. questions about that tragic day remain. >> do you believe that lee harvey oswald was the lone asass sin? >> i don't know. >> we'll talk to them now on "fox news sunday." president obama is crambling to save obama care and possibly his presidency. on friday he met with insurance

industry executives to address a new plan to undue the cancellation of health insurance for millions of americans. joining me now are two figures, karen ignagni. and also ben nelsson, coe of the national association of insurance commissioners. after the president announced his fix, you put out this statement changing the rules after health plans already met the requirements of the law could destabilize the market and cause higher premiums. you met for more than an hour on friday, did you change your mind or do you fill have the same concerns? >> i felt it was a good decis n discussion. we have the same goals and we're working to get people into

affordable coverage. that's what americans want. the question is what happens, who will join the the markets. will it be the young and the healthy balancing out the old and the sick which is absolutely important to make sure that whomever buys they'll have affordable coverage. >> so it could still destabilize the markets. >> we have work to do, no question, but we have an interest in doing it together and working together on that. >> senator nels, your insurance commissioners also put out a statement and you said the fix threatens to undermine the market and lead to market disruptions in 2014 and beyond. the president called you personally on friday, has your group changed it's mind or do you have the same concerns? >> i think the commissioners have the same concerns. some have already found a way to

extend the coverage people currently have into 2014. so there is some that have done something comparable. others have taken other steps to mitigate against this. some say they will not follow what the president has suggested. keep in mind it is a suggest, not a ruling and certainly not a law. >> mrs. ignagni, explain why this is such a problem for reinsurance companies. and what do you think the result will be, if there are millions of cancellations, will many be reinstated? >> let's step back for a moment the law requires us to meet the

new bents. that is principal number one. in terms of the new announcement, the state insurance commissioners, as ben nelson said, will decide what the rules are. our members will work very, very hard to support their customers, provide them options, and make sure that the new market will be affordable and that's the key point. that's where i think there are a range of interests that are very important. the kmigters, the try, health plans, and consumers working together to buy affordable coverage. what is that balance? who stays out, who goes in, and there is a strong interest in talking on that and working on that now so people can in fact get the coverage they need and that's what we're focused on. >> senator nelson, let me ask you a blunt question. is the president trying to shift the blame for his promise that if you want your policy you can

keep your policy from the white house to the insurance companies and frankly to the insurance regul regulators? >> i don't know if that's the case. but i know that everybody will do their level best to take care of their people back home and try to do it within the confines of of the law and within the actuarial considerations as well. worrying about rate increases. trying to hold the line. make certain that the risk pool is sufficient. the ruleth of law with large numbers -- the more people you have in the plan, generally the better the plan is. so excludeing some people creates certain issues. and the commissioners are focussed on solvency. they want to make sure the risk

does not shift. >> finally, lately the white house has taken to bashing it, here are a few statements. >> that market has been like the wild west. it has been underregulated. >> some say they think they have insurance, and others have insurance telling them they owe $50,000. >> did you know it was not possible? >> i'm not in the blame game. i want to know how we address these reasonable problems. as senator nels said so the markets don't blow up. i think there is a joint interest in doing that. that is what we're focused on right now, helping our customers. when rules change that creates

problems that senator nels talked about. so we're focused on trying to get these problems fixed. we're going to continue to do that because we have a shared goal of getting people covered and most importantly getting people covered affordably. >> we want to thank you so much for coming in today. >> thank you, chris. we want to continue the conversation now with our sunday group. we have brit hume, bob woodward, george will, and judy woodruff. brit, how much trouble is obama care? >> i don't think that he has done much for the broken promise, and despite the language employed there by your

guests about the fix, it seems clear to me that the fix won't go very far and won't do very much. if it did, it could destabilize the market paubecause it would leave out of the exchange policies a great many people that need young healthy people to sign up and buy these more expensie extensive policies so they can pay for the older and sicker people. so there is a political problem and a substantive problem, and i don't see that what he as done so far as alleviated it. >> in the house on friday, 39 democrats jumped ship and voted with a republican plan that i think most people would feel would cut obama care, and a general estimate that more than

100 democrats would have joined the republican effort. >> we have to take the things that are working and build off of that and we have to be open as a party for those things not working, identify them, fix them, and make them better. >> we're a year out from the election, but democrats in the house and senate have a real problem, don't they? >> and the white house knows that. they know that vote could have been worse if the president had not made the accommodation that he did a few days ago. they know this could imperil the presidency. certainly when it comes to domestic issues for the rest of the term. everything that the president is trying to do is now on the line. if they can't get this website up and running, if they can't find people who have confidence in this plan, but you talk to smart policy folks in the white house, and they say there is at

least a 50/50 chance that the website will be working, people will be signing up, and the benefits will outweigh the negatives. >> are you saying there is a 50% chance it won't be working? >> they're trying to scale down expectations. they think they have common cause with the insurance industry. they say the insurance companies tell them there is pent up demand. they want coverage, and it's in the interest of the insurance industry to sell these plans. so the white house is counting on that too. >> meanwhile republicans are having a field day with the president's problems with obama care. in the weekly gop, senator ron johnson said that the president's phoney apology was as phoney as his marketing of

obama care. >> something this massive could and should bear serious legal ramifications. for obama care, it helped secure enough moments to pass barack obama care. >> do republicans have any only indication to off a seergs al terntive? >> no, the president did it without any other votes. the president is like a man who burns your house down and then shows up with an empty water boat, and lectures you on how bad your house was. nine months ago, the officials

on medicaid and medicare services. they said we want to avoid a shirt world experience. the accommodation looks to many of us to be illegal. there are two legislative chambers of the federal government. there is a third, the white house press room into which the president can, on a whim, rewrite laws. >> i didn't learn that in school. i hate when people come to me and they say you have been around a long time but you have been around this town a long time, have you ever seen anything like this? a president with three years to roll out his signature accomplishment -- >> this is a mess, clearly, but what it isn't, i think you have

to look at motive. and his motive here, even though there is deep problems, he wants to do something good for 30 million people and get them health insurance. >> i'm not saying it's a scandal. >> you see all of these stories and this friend si out there, the game over, the presidency is over. some people are saying -- i think that's not the case. here is the other side of this which i would agree with george will on. when you go down the road, it's going to get worse. you talk to the experts and they will tell you this is a money issue. it will low a whole in the budget. are we going to shut down the government? are we going to pay for the debt

that we have. this will come on the table and people will say, "my god, it's going to cost much more money than we were spending before." so how you disdisentangle this what's next. can he get it together, you know everyone says and knows he is bright, and can he learn to manage? >> george? >> you got my attention when you say we're trying to avoid blowing up the insurance market. and i do think this is a constitutional scandal. suppose the next republican president comes into the press room and says, "you know i really think the capital gains tax does not suv the capital interest so we're going to quit

enforcing that for a few years." that's not the rule of law. >> it is in a way, but as you know there is a strong other side on that. we're at the moment where people have to make decisions and this is an implementation issue. i think people will give him discretion. >> we're going to keep you all hanging, bring the panel back later, but liz cheney will join us for her first fox sunday interview. geoff: i'm the kind of guy who doesn't like being sold to. the last thing i want is to feel like someone is giving me a sales pitch, especially when it comes to my investments. you want a broker you can trust. a lot of guys at the other firms seemed more focused on selling than their clients. that's why i stopped working at my old brokerage

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. one of the hottest races is the battle inside the republican party for the senate seat inw e wyoming. joining me now is liz cheney, welcome back. >> i feel like i should be on the panel. >> no, you're on a guess. do you believe that president obama knowingly lied when he went around the country and said if you like your insurance you

can keep your plan. >> there is no way he couldn't know the truth. the media never holds us accountable, they won't here. he believed that ultimately he wants to move to a singer payer program. i think he had to say this to get a pass. there is no question that he lied and we're all paying the price for it now. and you see real turmoil. now democrats have to admit that what he said is fundamentally untrue. >> your opponent voted against obama care but you say that's not enough. you point to the fact that he was a member of the so called gang of six that beforehand were three republicans and three democrats that tried to work out a kmiesz. he dropped out and voted against it. isn't that what legislating is about? >> it's about knowing where to draw the lawn. certainly atsome point we all

believe in compromise, but when the president of the united states walks into a room and says we're going to impose a massive new federal program, take over a sixth of the economy, and they say okay, let's negotiate about that. the right response was absolutely not, under no circumstances. frankly if all of the republicans had done that at the beginning. stood their ground and refused to negotiate and compromise on this we would not be where we are today. instead you have republicans that gave the president running room and cover and the ability to say this is a bipartisan effort when it wasn't. the right answer would have been no. >> you started running your first tv ad of the campaign, and here is a clip. >> when i was 12 years old, my dad ran for congress and we

campaigned all across wyoming. >> a couple things about that ad, you talk about your long family roots in wyoming, and that's true, but you, your husband, and your children just moved from northern virginia last year. some are saying you're a car pet bagger. >> i think that shows i'm a fourth generation wyomingite. and that was my daughter on the horse at the end. on my mom's side i'm fourth generation, third generation on my dad's side. i would say the time that i spent outside of wyoming, working inside federal agencies in washington dc is experience that is very important for what i think has to be the top priority of a wyoming senator.

we have to cut agencies, their size, funding, and get the federal government under control. the abuse going on in wyoming by agencies by the epa, the war on coal -- this president's policies involve unstainable government. having worked in federal agencies i know how to cut them and roll them back. >> you also say in that ad it's time for a new generation, but let's look at mike's record. he has a 93% lifetime rating from the american conservative union. 100% from the national right to life committee and an aplus from the nra. is there something wrong with that record? or are you just saying that at age 69 he is too old? >> it's not about age. he has been here for 18 years. the people of wyoming are suffering greatly.

we're ground zero for this president's policies. when you're in a position like that it's not enough to say i'm going to go along and get along. you have to demonstrate results. it will take on our side of the aisle people who are willing to lead. his war on coal will not just devastate wyoming, anyone over here that likes to flip a switch and have affordable electricity, you're with us. this is an onslaugt against our constitution, liberties and values. >> if i may, the president is the president, the democrats hold control of the senate. the numbers are the numbers. you say it's not enough to say i tried or that you need to push back more aggressively. what can you point to to say

that you would have been a able to block that mike failed to block? >> across the board. i would not have participated in the gang of six. >> but there was not a single republican vote. >> it's not just about voting, it's about if the republicans have a new generation of leadership and mobilize people on our side to roll this back. if we can ever change the fact that we have a new majority, we have to get them elected on our side. and senator enzi worked with dick durbin on the internet sales tax. you either think the government has enough money, or you want to tax people more. i would, every single day, fighting to help people in wyoming keep more money in their pockets. >> some of your conservative

critics and the enzi people say you have flipped sides on issues to attract voters. you now say you oppose same sex marriage, but in twine you opposed a constitutional amendment that would have banned same sex marriage and they point out that you supported the state department offering benefits to same sex partners. >> if people are in a same sex relationship and they want their partner to be able to have health benefits or be a beneficiary on their life insurance, i don't see a problem with that. i think it is an issue left up to the state. i believe in the the traditional definition of marriage. but the senator said many times that he doesn't believe in

butter politics. he said he won't stoop to that left. i think he ought to denounce it. i'm running a campaign baited on substance and issues. >> your sister, mary, who is married to a woman, she put out this post. i love my sister, but she is dett wrong on the issue of marriage. >> i love mary and her family very much, this is just an issue that we disagree. >> the primary is not until august, your dad got into a dust up with a senator enzi, your mom was in one with senator dempsey. any qualms about getting into

this when it feels like a family feud? >> i think primaries are very healthy. i think it's a good thing for the state, the party, the voters ought to have a chance to make a decision. and we're fating huge issues, the stakes here in terms of the threat to our freedom and values and what it means if we allow this president, for the next three years, if we don't decide right now that we're going to stand and fight. the stakes are high. i believe that we can't continue business as usual and save fundamental freedoms. >> liz, thank you, tnk you for joining us, please come back. >> i sure will, thanks, chris. >> we also invited senator enzi, we hope he will agree to that. coming up, the memory of j.f.k.

we'll talk to two people who called him uncle john.

our most basic common strength is that we all inhabit the same planet, we all breathe the same air, and we all cherish our children's futures. >> president kennedy seeking to dial down the cold war with russia just five months before his assassination. his death shocked the world.

earlier, i sat down with kathleen kennedy townsend to discuss memories of uncle jack. kathleen, you were 20 years old when president kennedy died. what are your memories of john f. kennedy? >> that is a big hem memory. he came with my father and all of the children would rush to the helicopter and greet our fathers. usually the president would get into a golf cart and we would pile on and he would run it up and down the hills as quickly and as fast as he could. >> did you think of him as the president or uncle jack.

>> he was uncle jack to me until he became president. when he did, that was very important, and my father, being the attorney general, we would pray that my father would be the best attorney general and my uncle would be the best president. so we were always reminded that he was the president with a lot of important work to do. >> the day he died -- >> it was the day my uncle was buried. it was a very tough time and my father was devastated. yet he had the love to say dear kathleen, you see to understand that jack died. you have a special responsibility to john and joe. be kind to others andwork for your country, love daddy.

and when i think of that letter, i'm stunned that he had the time and the care to write it and realize what the message was. you understand after a death, a horrible death, people can be bitter, angry, and want revenge. that message could have been the one he sent us, and we would have spend the last 50 years angry at the forces that caused president kennedy's death. instead he asked us to be kind, to work for our country and to love one another. it is a really important legacy and so important what you say. >> patrick you weren't born until 1967, but what did your dad used to tell you? >> we had a legacy of public

service. and i think it is something that when we travel the country and people met us, they tell us how much her father and president kennedy meant to them as inspirational figures who just inspired people to give of themselves through the peace corps, and many of the civil rights that president kennedy helped to usher in. so that legacy lives on and we're very blessed to have that legacy. >> i understand that your people went to ireland and to, i'm told, prepare for the onslaught of all of the attention. how do you go into this 50th anniversary? >> people have remembered, for

instance, our trip to ireland, president kennedy said it was the happiest four days of his life, and he sent him the rosely that he carried when he shot because he understand how much it meant to the people of ireland. what i have seen in the last few months, looking pack on what the civil rights movement did, president kennedy said this was a moral issue. less than 20 years after world war two when people didn't like the germans, but he was able to put himself in those views. what we heard and what you know is we're remembering him not because he died. there is a lot of people that died 50 years ago. he asked us to be better. he asked us to do more and be more. he challenged us to go to the

moon. not because it's easy, but because it's stuff. what a great message to believe that you can take on tougher issues. >> patrick, i have to ask among all of this celebration of his life, do you believe that lee harvey oswald was the lone gunman. >> this is her father's grave and president kennedy's days are birthdays, and they're days that celebrate a lot. i agree with you chris that there is a lot of focus on the death and the conspiracy of the death, but we have to live in the future. my father was an example of someone that always kept moving toward. he always set that model for us. it could have brought us down. so that was the message that we were all given is that we ought

to keep looking forward. >> kathleen, do you believe that lee harvey oswald was the lone asas assass assassin. >> what i learned in that letter from my father is that i'm not going to solve that problem. so i'm going to focus on things that i can do to make a difference. that was a really terrible time in our country's history. >> let's talk about president kennedy's legacy. there is a growing body of thought that he was quite conservative in some of his policies. he believed that tax cuts spurred the economy. >> the tax cuts whern we were

growing up were 90% and he lowered them to 70%. you can say that but we're down to 22% now. he realized that we needed to put more money in the hands of the citizens. he did not like communism for sure, he believed in freedom, but he resisted the generals that wanted to go to war when they wanted to for the bay of pigs. during the cuban missile christ. he said no. he thought that if you have a long strulle to st-- struggle t stop communism. >> patrick, i know you're

involved in mental health care. does this obama care roll out raise doubting about big government solutions? >> i think president kennedy was so universally beloved because he was setting the goals. in our own lives and the life of our government we're not always that efficient. but the goal is right. the goal is to treat others as we ourselves would like to be treated from the vantage point that you don't want to be discriminated against. to let's examine what this goal is. do we have trouble implementing it? >> yes, i think it is. we have to fik this, but if we work together, i think we can attain and achieve anything. and that was his inspiration to

all persamericans. >> finally, for anybody that was old enough to be around at that terrible time, there is a question of how much the world changed that day, november 22nd, 1963 before there was peace and prosperity. there was a sense that america's place in the world was certain. after that there was riots. there was assassinations as you know all too well kathleen. vietnam, watergate, how much did the world change that day? >> i think it changed a lot. i believe that individuals can make a difference and leaders can make a difference. i think the loss of president kennedy was devastating to the world. it shows that what one says and how one says it, and what the leaders do makes a difference. and the loss of president kennedy and my father, i think,

was devastatindevastating. >> kathleen kennedy townsend, patrick kennedy, thank you for sharing this day. i hope it is seen as a celebration of his life and not a focus on his death. our thoughts and prayers are with your family this week. >> when we come back, a sunday panel weighs in on that fateful day and the legacy of president kennedy. capital to make it happen? without the thinking that makes it real? what's a vision without the expertise to execute it... and the financing to make it grow? whatever your goal, it can change more than your business. it can change the future. that's why, at barclays, our ambition is to always realize yours.

sights and sounds from the funeral possession that took the countries 35th president to his place of rest some 50 years ago this coming week. we're back now with the panel. george, what are your thoughts about the jfk policy and that he espoused a lot of conservative values. >> he was a cold warrior in the position of harry truman, and he hired his treasury secretary and a republican from wall street and believed in supply side sax cuts and increased revenues from

lowered rates. substantially more people visit the fifth floor museum than visit the kennedy library. which suggestth to me that his hold on the nation has more to do with the way he died than the way he lived. and it gave rise to a narrative that america was flawed because of this. look under the index under o, and you will not see oswald mentioned. not two years after of the assassination. the right, we happen to know that he was killed by a communist. >> bob, when you look at kennedy a half century later, what matters and what endures? >> i think the real message in

what george is saying is the death was so abrupt and tragic that the real lesson is that awful things can happen that change history. and this changed history in a way that was unimaginable. i was in college, and there was just a sense of everything is coming apart. that there is no civility or rationality. i happen to believe that the evidence is there that oswald did it, and did it alone. and there is lots of people that don't want to say this is the act of one madman, and they want to say there is a forces out there -- >> i would say the pre-eminent investigative journalist, did you ever think of delving into it. >> for years even up to this day

i get e-mails and questions. people saying look as this, and my answer is tell me who was a member of the lot and bring them to me and i'll listen. but you go through all of this and you take any of these big moments in history, and there are always questions and inconsistencies. that doesn't mean that the body of evidence about oswald is not substantial. >> i think their reading of history would be that his proportion exceeded his accomplishments. >> i think he was the coolest president we ever had. he is impossibly glamorous. >> no question. i think, however, despite the

thinness of the record, he has been the suggest of the most successful political campaign, he has been listed in some surveys as really the greatest president, that is a remarkable legacy. we never had a better lesson in the reasons why courts have rules of evidence than his death. because lee harvey oswald was murdered and not brought to trial, there is evidence pointing in pullble directions, one man's book succeeded in

getting lee harvey oswald exhumed because they said it wasn't him, but it is. >> i want to pick up on the question that i asked kathleen kennedy thompson. do you degree that the world changed if not that day, but in that period. ? i absolutely do, and i pick up on what bop said. it was the end of -- if we were innocent as a nation, but yes the historians are arguing if he had a successful presidency or not, where he was on civil rights, dealing with the russians, dealing with problems of domestic and foreign policy, but setting that aside, he

continues to inspire. i was a young teenager when he died and he inspired me and he continues to. look at the reaction. people still look at him as someone who represents this country. sop that is something that endures about him. >> and very quickly, you have kids, i do, do they get john kennedy? >> i don't think they get him the way that we do. but they're interested in him. and i think that is something again that endures. >> thank you, panel. up next, our power player of the week. the 272 words that helped define a nation. change engineering in dubai, aluminum production in south africa, and the aerospace industry in the u.s.? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. it's just one reason over 70% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with confidence.

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>> fore score and many years ago, our nation brought -- dedicated to the proposition that all men are credited equal. >> he says you have to understand the circumstances. union and confederate soldiers fought in a battle that turned the tide of the civil war. four months later he came to the dedication of the soldiers national cemetery. >> the world will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. >> the dedication on november 19th was a huge event. it was between 15 and 20,000 people. >> but lincoln was not the only speaker. the president spoke for 2:00. 272 words. >> did people realize that the

gettysburg address was the gettysburg address? >> i don't think many people recognized what was said. >> if i could have come as close in two hours as you did in two minutes, i would be satisfied. >> the first page, written in sink on white house stationary. the second, rewritten, perhaps the night before, in pencil. >> he sees it has a chance to speak in it a brief speech saying this is what this war is about and this is who we are. >> from these on norred dead we take increased voegs for that cause for which they gave the last full issue of devotion. >> now he says it's for us, the

living, to fight for what these men died for. and he defines what that is. >> it endures a century and a half later. >> being able to share the relevance, it is just incredibly rewarding to be able to do that. it's just a wonderful job. >> government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not parish from the earth. lincoln only had two weeks to write the gettysburg address, but he was developing the themes for the heart of the speech his whole life. that's it for today. have a great week and we'll see you next "fox news sunday."

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