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>> chris: i'm chris wallace. president trump claims victory after robert mueller's testimony as democrats debate what to do next. ♪ speak of the had nothing, and now they have less than nothing. >> did you actually told legs on what >> no. >> chris: and while the senate passed a bipartisan budget deal that is making conservative spending hawks cringe? we will discuss that and more with white house chief of staff mick mulvaney. then, just two days before the next democratic debate, joe biden says no more mr. nice guy. >> what did you mean when you said you're not going to be displayed in the next debate. >> will see. >> chris: presidential candidate and entrepreneur andrew yang joins us for an
exclusive 2020 sit down. bus, speaker pelosi and aoc meet to clear the air. >> we have our differences, respect that. >> chris: it we will ask our sunday panel about pelosi's bid to end the infighting and her party. all right now on "fox news sunday" ." and hello again from fox news and washington. president trump is in another ugly twitter war with another democratic congressman of color and how speaker pelosi is accusing him of another racist attack. meanwhile, the house has left town for a six-week recess, but even after the testimony of former special counsel robert mueller fell flat, the question of whether democrats will start impeachment proceedings against the president remains unsettled. joining us now is white house chief of staff mick mulvaney, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> mick: not much going on this week, it's good to be here. >> chris: let's start with what we didn't anticipate, that is the twitter war.
president trump attacked democratic young westman elijah cummings on saturday saying that his district in the baltimore area of maryland is worse, worse conditions, more dangerous than along the southern border. i want to part of the president's statements. his district is considered the worst in the usa. cummings district is disgusting, rat and rodent infested mask. no human being would want to live there. in fact median household income in the district is in the upper have nationally and columbia, maryland, which is part of the district, has been called the safest city in america. so what is the president talk about? >> mick: i think maryland on a per capita basis the richest state in america get you still see pictures on the internet of complete poverty in baltimore, maryland. what this is about though is the president fighting back against what he saw as being -- illegitimate attacks about the border in the hearing this week. if you go online you can see the questioning that elijah cummings
did of kevin mcaleenan regarding the conditions of the border. mr. cummings saying children were sleeping or sitting in their own feces. if that's not right. if that's not accurate. mr. cummings has not been to the border in recent memory, certainly not in this administration. and if you lifelike that the president is going to fight bac back. >> chris: this goes back to what happens with the four members of "the squad" ." nobody objects to the president defending his border policy but this seems to be the worst kind of racial stereotype -- let me finish. racial stereotyping. black congressman, majority black district. i mean, no human being would want to live there? is ceasing the people who live in baltimore are new, not human beings? >> mick: when the president attacks aoc plus three, when he attacks "the squad" last week, he gets accused of being a racist. when nancy pelosi does it a few days later the left and many members of the media, not you in particular, i want to make that clear, come to nancy's defense.
it couldn't possibly be racist, she was simply attacking their ideas. the president is doing the same. the president is attacking mr. cummings for saying things that are not true about the border. i think it's right for the president to raise the issue -- look, i was in congress for six years. if i had poverty in my district like they have in baltimore, if i had crime in my district like they have in chicago, homelessness like they have in san francisco and i spent all of my time in washington, d.c., chasing down this mueller investigation, this in bazaar impeachment crusade, i get fired and i think the president's right to raise that it has absolutely zero to do with race. >> chris: you say it has little to do with race, there is a clear pattern here. before his inauguration, the president tweeted about john lewis, a black congressman -- this is before his inauguration. you should spend time in his crime infested district. then, two weeks ago he goes after these four members of "the squad," all women of color, and says they should go back to the crime-infested countries from which they come. then he talks about
elijah cummings and he says his district is rat and rodent- rodent-infested. if infested. it sounds like vermin. it sounds subhuman and these are all six members of congress for people of color. >> mick: i think you're spending way too much time reading between the lines. >> chris: i'm not reading between the lines, i'm reading the lines. >> mick: anyone watching this program just with the fact or the possibility of adam schiff it's of the same thing about the border that the president would be attacking adam schiff the exact same way today. >> chris: i don't think he would be talking about his crime-investor, rodent-infested district. >> he very well could. very little to fact with adam's jewish and just the fact that he is wrong for saying that. this is what the president does. he fights -- >> chris: your complete and comfortable with him saying that this is a rodent-infested district and no human being would want to live there? you're comfortable with that personal? >> mick: have you seen some of the pictures on the internet? just this morning from the
conditions in baltimore. >> chris: any city in america. and you could argue why doesn't the president or something to stop it? >> mick: the rich estate in the nation has abject poverty like that. a state, by the way, dominated for generations by democrats. i think it's fair to have that conversation. >> chris: okay. after robert mueller's testimony this week, president trump declared victory. here he is. >> this was a very big day for our country. this was a very big day for the republican party and you could say it was a great day for me. >> chris: but house judiciary committee chair jerry nadler, even after the mueller hearings says he's going to go to court to try to get access to documents, try to get access to witnesses like former white house counsel don mcgahn. here he is. >> there appears to be compelling evidence of the president's misconduct outside of the four corners of the redacted version of the mueller report. and we will work to uncover that evidence as well.
>> chris: this isn't over. >> mick: it's far from over. i don't know if it was in that clip that you just saw a little later in that same press conference or after he got back to his district in new york, but nadler actually told people he has begun an impeachment inquiry. let's not lose sight of the fact that jerry nadler is facing a primary from his left in new york. he is falling over himself to become more and more progressive to try and keep his job and not lose to the next aoc. this is not over in their minds, which is just bizarre given what happened this week. mueller answer the single one outstanding question. they asked would you have inside of the if you are not the president and mueller said absolutely not, he would not do that. >> chris: that's not what he said. that isn't what he said. he said we didn't because of the olc, the office of legal counsel guidelines. he said we didn't even make a decision on that. >> mick: he got asked the question by congressman lou, who i know, said would you have indicted him throughout the president and he said yes we would have and we went back to
the beginning of a secondary -- >> chris: that's when he said -- i agree. what he said was that i wouldn't have made it -- we didn't even make that decision because the guidelines prevented us from doing that. >> mick: i think you're wrong on that. >> chris: of the record will show what it shows. i promise you you're wrong. >> mick: if they had the evidence to indict the president they would've done it and they don't because there was no obstruction. you can go through the details of what mr. mueller -- >> chris: at let's look at that, because despite the president's claim of total vindication, the special counsel, and his testimony was not a moment in history, but he made it clear he's not saying the president did nothing wrong. take a look. >> the report did not conclude that he did not commit obstruction of justice. is that correct? >> that is correct. >> did you actually totally exonerate the president? >> no. >> your investigation is not a witch hunt. it is not a witch hunt. >> on the president said the russian interference was a hoax,
that wasn't true? >> true. >> chris: not a witch hunt, not a hoax on the president is not exonerated. >> mick: the last one is probably one of the most offensive things i've seen on television from a federal government employee since i've been here and there's a fairly high bar for that. did not exonerate the president. there is no way to exonerate the president. that's not the job of a special prosecutor. you don't get exonerated. if you are until proven guilty. i think it was congressman turner from ohio raise that issue. >> chris: i agree. he specifically said -- because the president says he was exonerated. >> mick: you're innocent, you know it, i don't, innocent until proven guilty. they could not find enough evidence to convict them -- excuse me, to charge him with any crime. this is over. most folks know that it's over. if you go back and watch the response, they knew it was a disaster, they know it was over but you still have mr. nadler and a small part of this democrat party, the left wing of the party bringing the entire party to the left to continue impeachment proceedings, just
bizarre results. >> chris: let's move on. the senate votes this week on a bill that would extend spending limits and also extend the debt limit into 2021. this is what the bill will do. runs out the clock on sequestration. no more forest spending cuts. question, does the president want the senate to pass it and if it does, will he sign this bill? >> mick: yes, and yes. keep in mind the bill spends more money than the president wanted to spend, there's no question about that as i've said on this show and you and i have talked before, elections have consequences on when the democrats won back the house everybody knew we would end up spending more money. what did we get in exchange? we got more money for defense which we think we need. more money for the va which we think that we needed and, this hasn't gotten with the attention, protection for the reblic policies that were in the previous year's bills.
policy writers that go on appropriations bills were lawmakers who spend money trying to use that money to change policy outcomes and the democrats wanted to limit our policies on the border. they wanted to limit our policies regarding pro-life. they want to limit our policies regarding deregulation and we won on every single one of those, so did we spend money that we wanted to? yes. did we get a lot in return? yes. >> chris: but canada trumpet back in 2016 promised he was going to balance the budget and you, when you were a member of congress were a big deficit hawk. take a look. >> we can balance the budget very quickly. >> do you think in five years? >> i think over a five-year period and i don't know, maybe i could even surprise you. >> we are not paying for the government we are getting. unless we continue to steal money from her kids we have to make a very difficult choice, which is are we going to raise taxes or reduce spending? >> chris: to look at these numbers. >> mick: look at the hair. >> chris: i wasn't going to comment on the facts. age hasn't helped either of us. if these numbers.
after dealing with the great recession in his first term, the deficit under obama dropped by an average of 11% a year in his second term. the deficit has increased by 15% a year in president trump's first two years. under president trump, our national debt has increased by more than $2 trillion and if this bill goes through, estimates are the trump debt will top $4 trillion. how can mick mulvaney, budget hawk, support this? >> mick: take our budget. i adopt our budget. the media and the press -- >> chris: this is the bill -- >> mick: dead on arrival is the bill everyone always uses but if you actually want to look at it and saw what donald trump could do if he could pass spending bills, which he can't, you would be on your path to balance. congress spends money. >> chris: you have republican control of congress for the first two years. >> mick: who also through our budgets in the trash as well as dead on arrival. you ask me about donald trump. if donald trump are in charge -- >> chris: he's the president.
>> mick: you also know your constitution, congress spends the money. they have to deal with the democrats in the house, deal with democrats in the senate because of the 60 vote rules. we are always going to spend more money when democrats have that seat at the table. >> chris: 30 seconds, your reaction to the supreme court saying you can spend that two and a half billion dollars in pentagon money for the wall. >> mick: is the right decision. about 100 miles of all, 4 miles a week by the fall, probably higher than that in the next year and we are still on schedule to have 450 miles of wall built by the end of 2020. >> chris: thanks, thanks for coming in, always good to talk with you, sir. >> mick: thanks for having me. >> chris: up next we will bring in the sunda group to discuss the sticking points for conservatives on that big spending bill. plus, what would you like to ask the panel about democrats statements they are just getting started after the mueller during? go to facebook or twitter, @foxnewssunday, and we may use your question on the air. it's racquetball time. (thumps) ugh!
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>> if our committee is going to recommend articles of impeachment to the house, we must make the strongest possible case. >> why would you ever even bring up impeachment after yesterday's hearing? that should be put to bed. that is over. we watched it, we've heard it, we've read it. what more can they make up? >> chris: house judiciary committee chair jerry nadler and house republican leader kevin mccarthy with very different takes on where the house is on impeachment after robert mueller's testimony this week and it's time for our sunday group. g.o.p. strategist karl rove. columnist for the hill, juan williams. former democratic party chair donna brazile and cofounder of "the federalist," and dominance before we get to impeachment, i've got to ask a couple of you about the tweets.
your reaction to the president's tweets about elijah cummings of baltimore? >> he was not only attacking the chairman of the oversight committee, he was attacking the entire southern district of maryland, which includes baltimore city and the rest. the president is absolutely wrong. when lawmakers are questioning his policy, questioning the implementation of policy, the president goes after these lawmakers in a personal way. i think it's wrong but of course this is the president's strategy. >> chris: do you think he's racist? >> i don't know what is in his heart but this is a repeated pattern was seen for the last several years. >> chris: you hear people from the trump campaign saying the president can kind of walk up to the line of racist tweets, racist rhetoric, mobilize his base and then step back from it without alienating a lot of other people that he's going to need for his suburban college educated people. is this a good political strategy? >> this didn't advance it.
if that was his goal, it didn't advance it. he attacked a city, he attacked her district, he attacked a people, he painted an ugly picture. i don't think this helps the president's cause whatsoever and look, i don't know what is in his heart, but i don't see him as a racist, but this is the kind of thing that will cause people even who accept that view to say mr. president, why are you doing this? you've got better things to do with his tweets. >> chris: let's move on to the question of impeachment. 101 members of the house, i think one independent, four republican and 100 democrats now in favor of at least impeachment proceedings. how big a mistake for democrats 2020 if they go down this road? >> big. in january of "the washington post" abc poll said 38% bought the house ought to begin, 57% said they shouldn't. in march, the end of the investigation, april we had the report. it now in the latest july "washington post" abc poll it is 33% say they should begin.
63% oppose beginning impeachment hearings. having said that, they're going to have a pseudo hearing. they're not going to go to the floor and ask for a vote of the house to move forward with impeachment proceeding, but it's clear that 15 out of 24 democrats on the house judiciary committee, 16 if you include nadler, are in favor of impeachment and they are moving ahead. the democrats, nancy pelosi is now in purgatory. they're going to continue to move forward on impeachment for the judiciary committee, dominating the headlines whatever they want, drowning out what they're doing in the house, drowning out democratic presidential candidates and there's nothing nancy can do about it. >> chris: we asked you for questions for the panel and on this issue of what should happen post-mueller, we got this on facebook from bill. "mueller said he was unable to indict a sitting president for obstruction but others in his administration or campaign are not immune to indictment. so why has no one else been indicted? is mueller implying the president trump committed obstruction by himself?
donna, two questions, one, how do you answer bill, and secondly, what does nancy pelosi do to control the drive for impeachment among a lot of her -- >> speaker pelosi and not drive the conversation, because the conversation started a long time ago. it started before she even became speaker for the second time. there's a very healthy debate going on in our country now in terms of whether or not the president is abusing his power. the house judiciary will continue to proceed and gain information. i don't know if it will ever come to a vote on the house floor but as of now, democrats believe this president must be held -- held responsible not just for his actions, but he should be held responsible for the things that he is doing to our constitution. >> chris: let's turn to that budget deal that the senate is going to consider this week, which would extend spending for two years and a debt limit for two years into 2021, take them
out of the presidential race. as with the senate republican leader, mitch mcconnell, had to say about that bill. >> i make no apologies for this to your caps deal. i think is the best we could have done at a time of divided government. the alternatives were much worse. >> chris: then, as i mentioned to mick mulvaney, this increases spending by over $300 billion over the next two years. how much heartburn is a cause and conservative republicans? >> i think it's causing a lot of heartburn. i think there are a lot of people who feel like this is kind of the end of the tea party era in a lot of different little respects. this is all kind of connected in a way because what we see now from the american congress both on the republican and democrat side of the aisle is there's no actual demand on them to legislate, to go through the process of negotiation the way that they ought to. instead, you have these big deals that are crafted that no one's really happy with but then you have to have them swallowed, just as nancy pelosi got her entire -- the bulk of our
conference to swallow this deal. and it doesn't really leave anybody satisfied because the job of the congressman now is essentially to be a hype machine for national partisan issues as opposed to legislating in a way that would be representative of their district. >> chris: you put the finger on congress, but what about president trump? he's got mick mulvaney, who made his bones as a budget hawk. why did he accept this deal? >> i think he accepts the steel of the political reality of kicking the can down the road but i also think that this is a deal that is the sort of things you could see under any president and it's going to continue to be a problem for the american people that we have a budget process that is totally broken, that doesn't work either under president obama or under president trump. >> chris: juan, the key players in this negotiation -- reporting is that mick mulvaney was basically kept out of it because democrats thought he was too much of a budget hawk for the key players in the negotiation were speaker pelosi for the democrats and treasury secretary mnuchin, more of a dealmaker, for the republicans. which of the two of them do you think came out better in this
deal? >> you really want the answer? it's pretty obvious. i hope everybody sees that nancy pelosi is the queen. she is majestic on this run. she held her caucus together she got a bigger increase in terms of social domestic spending then from god and he makes defense spending from his be-all and end-all. in this deal you see a faster rate of increase in nondefense spending under president trump then you had under president obama. so that grandma democrats are g better in terms of spending for the social programs. under president trump than they did for obama. something ben was talking about, the tea party, the freedom caucus, this was a drive to take over washington. spending out of control under obama. deficits rising. deficits are rising faster now and you see a divided republican party on this front. you only got 65-197 republicans
in the house to vote for this. they fear political power and trunk. you can see the demise of so much of the instinct, the drive that pushed them to power in the first place, which was about smaller government. apparently that's gone. >> the constituency for that is much smaller than it turned out to be. >> chris: let me ask you about that, karl, because conservatives used to talk about president you worked for, george w. bush, bush 43, and say he was a big government conservative. where does donald trump fit on that scale? >> well, i'm not certain there's a coherent political philosophy behind her but let's inject just a little bit of restraint here. yes, the deal allows for up to $320 billion in additional spending by removing the caps that were in the 2011 budget bill, but it doesn't say that we are going to spend $320 billion more. now we have to fight over 13
individual appropriations bills. two-thirds of the republicans said we are not voting for this, we think it stinks. those republicans plus the 65 who voted for it now have a chance in the house and the republicans in the senate to say okay, we want to spend x out of the $320 billion, we don't want to spend that much, so they have the ability and the fights over these individual spending bills. we basically got rid of the caps and we said were not going to have a needless fight over the debt ceiling until 2021, but we will absolutely have a fight over each and every one of those spending bills. >> chris: let me just quickly explain, they set spending limits. they're not saying you have to spend that there wasn't any money. if you're saying we going to have a government shutdown? >> i don't think so. i slightly disagree with ben, i think we are going to have a lot of legislating as people go through these appropriations bills and the test will be to the republicans stand up and say we want less spending rather than more spending or do they just simply say here's what i need for my district?
we will see. >> chris: we have to take a break here, panel. see you all a little later. former tech entrepreneur running as the anti-politician in 2020 with an online following that's earned him a spot on the debate stage. andrew yang joins us live for a "fox news sunday" sit down with the 2020 presidential candidates. ♪ kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin trusted advice for life. kevin, how's your mom? life well planned. see what a raymond james financial advisor can do for you.
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mat h on the front for make america think harder. joining us now for an exclusive "fox ns sunday" sit down, democratic president of candidate and entrepreneur andrew yang, who will be on the debate stage this week. mr. yang, welcome to "fox news sunday." >> thanks for having me come across. it's a pleasure to be here. >> chris: let's start with the latest fox news poll that came out this week. it shows you tied for sixth place with amy klobuchar at 3%, 30 points behind joe biden, but running ahead of cory booker and beto o'rourke and julian castro. i have kind of a good news, bad news question, why do you think you're doing better than a lot of better-known politicians and on the other hand, how do you ever make the big jump that you still have to make to get into the top tier of candidates? >> mr. yang: on the positive side, america, unfortunately, has lost a lot of confidence in its politicians. it's one reason why i'm doing so well, and beating many sitting
senators and governors. the american people realize that our government is way behind the curve in solving the real problems. we need to catch up and speed up and they see someone like me as someone who can help make that possible. in terms of making the big jump to catch up to joe biden and the other leaders, most americans are just tuning in to who's running in 2020. i'm still introducing myself to the american people. it's going to be a very, very fluid race over the weeks and months to come. i'm very confident i'm just going to keep on climbing the bowls and start catching up to the leaders very soon. >> chris: you say people are just tuning in, but if they tuned into the first democratic debate, they didn't see much of andrew yang. you ended up getting -- i had to get check this out, 2 minutes and 50 seconds total in a two hour debate, by far the least amount of time of any of the democrats in the two debates. what's your plan to get more airtime this week to >> mr. yang: i got to ask two questions in two hours, which certainly was not enough but we are very confident that this
wednesday i'm going to have much, much more of an opportunity to make my case to the american people that the real central issue is we are automating away millions of manufacturing jobs and no retail jobs, call-center jobs and on and on through the economy and because of the polling support that we have, i'm not going to have just next week in detroit, i'm going to have also september and houston and on and on. my campaign is going to be here the entire way. >> chris: i want to talk about your policy proposal and automation but just to get back to the debate, one way that is tried and true to get more attention and airtime is to go after the front runners. you're going to be on the stage on wednesday night with two of the front runners, vice president biden and senator harris. any thoughts about going after them, one because of differences on issues and two because it will get you more attention? >> mr. yang: my focus is on solving the problems of the american people and to the extent that i can drive the conversation towards those issues, i'm very, very excited about it. i don't think that we benefit if
i'm throwing rocks at other candidates when frankly i agree with them on many, many issues. and i think right now my focus really is on still introducing myself to the american people. >> chris: one your main messages, which you referred to a moment ago, is to say this country is going through a dramatic economic transformation in large part because of automation and you say that you will keep the promises to working-class americans that president trump has failed to keep to them. here you are in the first debat debate. >> i can build a much broader coalition to beat donald trump. it is not left, it is not right, it is forward, and that is where i will take the country in 2020. >> chris: you propose what you call the american mall act, like shopping mall act with a $6 billion fund. how would that work? >> mr. yang: well, we are in the process of automating away the most common jobs in the u.s.
economy which includes retail worker, call-center worker, truck driver, food service. these are the jobs that are disappearing around the country and unfortunately they are also the most common jobs. the amazon is closing 30% of our malls and stores and playing zero in taxes while doing it. and these malls become sinkholes. they cause blight, become havens for crime and bad action, so we need to help communities transition these malls to become community centers or schools or even residential, but in the absence of that kind of move, these ghost malls become the last place anyone wants to be and they destroy property value for miles around. >> chris: but what you do if automation is the problem, what you do to help the worker who has skills for an earlier era transition and get a job in these times? >> mr. yang: the first big step is we need to have everyone share in all of the gains from this progress and innovation. my flagship proposal of freedom
dividend would put $1,000 a month into the hands of every american so that if you are -- mall closes or your job gets blasted away you at least have $12,000 a year that helps take the pressure off and help you transition in a better direction. >> chris: but are you basically on your own? in other words, are you going to provide retraining programs? are you basically sing has $12,000, help yourself? >> mr. yang: we certainly need to invest in the retraining of the american people, but we also have to be honest that we are terrible at retraining. the success rates for federally funded retraining programs for the displaced manufacturing workers in the midwest were between zero and 15%. and pretending that we're somehow going to become excellent at retraining americans is lying to the american people. i was just at a truck stop in iowa. if you went to those truckers and said we are going to retrain you to be coders or engineers they would be more likely to punch you in the face then sign up, so we need to put the resources directly into our hands, the hands of the american
people. certainly we need to invest in retraining programs but we also have to be realistic about what we can and can't accomplish. >> chris: okay, let's talk about some of the concerns about your big program, the freedom dividend, also called universal breaks of income. $1,000 a month to every adult, everybody over 18 regardless of whether your jeff bezos or the guy on the street. $12,000 a year. estimates are that your plan would cost about $3 trillion a year. and the main way you would do it -- you have some other methods, but your main way is a value-added tax, the kind of sales tax they have in europe, which is what you say would pay for this. first of all, it's basically a sales tax, which as you know is one of the more regressive ones, and secondly, independent groups like the tax foundation say -- they've looked at all of your plans -- they say that your numbers don't add up. that in fact what you would get from all of this is less than
$500 a month per person, not a thousand dollars a month per person. >> mr. yang: first, the headline cost is much lower than $3 trillion because we are already spending over 1.5 trillion on various direct income support programs. but if we put a mechanism in place for the american people a sliver of every amazon transaction -- and again, amazon is a trillion dollar tech company that paid zero in taxes last year. if we give the american people a sliver of every amazon transaction, every google search come every facebook ad, every robot truck mile, we can generate hundreds of billions in new revenue and the great thing is when we put this dividend into your hands, thousand dollars a month, where does the money go? the money goes right back into local communities in the economy. it goes to car repairs and day care in little league sign-ups. all the things that make us healthier and stronger and would help create millions of jobs around the country. >> chris: but i want to pick up on something you just said. whatever it is, with a trillion
and a half dollars a year in money transfers, that's one of the concerns, because some conservatives are saying well, look, if we were giving everybody $12,000 a year, we could replace the welfare state. yeah, everybody's going to get the andrew yang freedom dividend, but then the conservatives can do away with social programs that a lot of people at the lower end of the income scale depend on. >> mr. yang: well, my program is universal, but it's opt in and if you opt in then you'd be forgoing benefits from certain existing programs. so this to me would be a win-win-win where you have these resources in the hands of the american people. you don't have restrictions on how people spend it and you also get rid of a lot of the negative incentives because the fact is a lot of these programs give you less if you do better and would have to make it so if you do better you do better. >> chris: final question, and this is another concern people have, look, when you work, you get more out of it than money.
you get self-esteem. you get social interaction. does a lot of things, and some people are concerned that with your, in effect, 12,000 a year handout that your delinking income from actually earning a living. >> mr. yang: i'm asian, so you know i love to work. you have to be a little bit broader about how you think about work. my wife is at home with our two young boys, one of whom has autism. what is the market value of her work at right now? at zero, and we know that's the opposite the truth. we know the work she's doing is among the most challenging and vital work. in our society. so we need to think bigger about what we mean by work. but most americans know that putting a bit of money into your hands is going to make you work harder in many contexts and it's certainly not going to take someone who wants to work and say i'm going to kick back and, because a thousand dollars a month is not enough to thrive in any environment. >> chris: mr. yang, thank you,
thanks for sharing your weekend and your ideas with us and we will be tracking how much time you actually get to speak in the debate this week. >> mr. yang: thank you, chris, hopefully i will see you in detroit. >> chris: well, no, you won't, but that's not a fox debate. we would like to do one. thank you. >> mr. yang: [laughs] >> chris: coming up, house speaker nancy pelosi plays down tensions after a meeting with freshman congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. we will discuss the democratic divide when our sunday group returns. ♪
rivals in this week's presidential debates in detroit we are back now with the panel. karl, what do you expect from this next round of democratic debates, and how do you explain the fact that despite his performance in the first debate, which was almost universally panned, that joe biden is still leading this democratic field in the latest fox poll this week by better than 2:1? fickle biggest name idea, biggest reputation, the biggest knowledge base and also the attack by harris was a cheap shot. it turned out that they both have the same view, that they opposed federal government imposing busing but they accepted local school districts imposing busing, but that's what happened in her situation. and ended up being the same. also, harris turned out to be a not so good candidate. we've now seen her flip-flop on -- is she in favor of the medicare for all, getting rid of all personal health insurance are not? she's been flipping and flopping on that, and a couple other issues. she's not very clear so she got a little bit of a bump but she's
falling back. they don't have a good alternative you have to biden. having said that, what matters is who's got the best ground game inowa and does somebody seize the moment like barack obama did in 2008 and turn that ground game and the moment into a surprise upset in iowa? >> chris: juan, biden will be standing wednesday night between kamala harris on one side and cory booker on the other, both of whom have hit him on his record on race. given the fact that support in the african-american community is the strongest pillar of his support in the primaries, that's where he really separates from the rest of the field, how hard do you expect them to go after him on wednesday night? >> oh, it's going to be tough. it's going to be a pincer movement just visually as you describe it. biden lost 7-8 points in most bowls after the last debate. the big winner was harris. i disagree with karl on this. i think harris has proven to be a very strong candidate, able to move up in the polls, move up in
terms of fund-raising, move up in terms of name i.d. people just know who she is, given what you just talked about with andrew yang. the second thing is that it's forced biden to try to shore up his support. this week we had an naacp convention in detroit. the urban league in indianapolis. it biden is out there with a new criminal justice plan. he's gone to south carolina to apologize for saying that he worked with segregationists in the past and the reason for that is a cautionary tale of hillary clinton back in 2008. she had all the big endorsements. it looked like she had strong black support and then here comes barack obama, who does well enough in iowa -- he wins iowa, in fact, and then goes to south carolina, which is going to set the parameters for all the southern primaries that follow large black constituencies and obama beat clinton by 29 percentage points in south carolina and goes on to win it all. biden doesn't want to see a repeat of that scene. >> chris: donna, where you see this democratic race at this
point going into these debates? >> first of all, i'm very excited. night one is going to be the most exciting day. for two reasons. one, we have elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. we have a progressive lane that we all know has been congested over the last couple of months and we are going to see which of those two have a real good plan for medicare for all and end in college debt, et cetera. >> chris: they say they are friends and they are to attack each other. >> not attack each other, but they will have to distinguish themselves. elizabeth warren has been coming up in the polls. she has a plan for everything, even a plan for defeating donald trump. i think night one is going to be interesting but night two is not just about race and joe biden and his standing. night two was also these other candidates were trying to play catch-up. they didn't have enough time, as you just heard from andrew yang, to introduce themselves. night two is going to be also a very evening for democrats.
>> chris: meanwhile, nancy pelosi and alexandria ocasio-cortez met on friday for half an hour to try to work out their differences. there they were afterwards. >> it's like you're in a family. in a family you have your differences, but you're still a family. >> i'm looking forward to us continuing our work and as always i think the speaker respects the fact that we are coming together as a party. >> chris: so, then, do you think that it's all sweetness and rainbows and lollipops in the democratic caucus and seriously, how much do you think aoc and the other members of "the squad," the more progressive members, threaten pelosi's control of the caucus? >> i think it's a significant long-term threat for the democratic party. families can be dysfunctional too and in all sorts of ways and i think in this circumstance, we saw this week the power of nancy pelosi work in one way. you had the mueller hearings
sort of code on the way that she actually thought it was going to go down, disappointing summer reboot if it was the movie version of the book. you had her getting all of her conference together really when it came to this budget deal including aoc at the last minute making the decision to support that. but in terms of what's going forward, with the future looks like for the democratic party, the fact is that these young members who have come in have a real message, a theory of the case that is a critique of the obama administration, that they view it as having -- having taa route that is to pro-corporate, not going down the road differently on health care perhaps that they would have liked to see in that case. and they are very much of a progressive mind-set on all these different areas and they're not going away. they have huge microphones, a huge following. it's only going to increase and i think that in the long term this type of divide within the democratic party could prove difficult when it comes to winning national elections. they plan to president trump's
argument that the democratic party is too radical for the moment so even if you don't like him, even if you don't like where he is, this is what you have to look forward to in a future administration. >> chris: what about the argument nancy pelosi made when she wasn't being so consolatory, these are just four congresswoman, four votes and have the big bill about humanitarian aid to the border, all they got was their own votes. >> the votes that they have are far less important than their ability to reach out and change the nartive. this is what we saw with the tea party as well. the fact that they have a certain number of members who are of this particular mind-set was far less important than what they represented. the ability to challenge significant statewide politicians and in karl's own state of texas, knock off someone's powerful as david dewhurst in the case of ted cruz. it sends a message to washington. these are just four members of congress. of course this is not the kind of movement that would seem to take on nationally but i do think it's one that is growing and going to particularly grow among down the left of center
voters. >> they are best known among republicans according to the polls, and why is that? because they are convenient foils for republicans to say all this democrats or socialists. we were just talking about the ongoing race, who is the leading candidate? joe biden, kamala harris, elizabeth warren. these aren't radicals. >> their agendas a gng to end up closer to where aoc and where omar and where these other candidates are then they will to the joe biden of just four years ago. >> they have energized the party. if they are helping to redefine the party. but they are not at the leadership table. nancy pelosi is still the leader of the democratic party. >> systematically calling for challenges to democrats. it's not an accident they are challenging jerry nadler from the left. if they are challenging the chairman of the house ways and means committee from the left and as a result democrats are being pulled to the left. how many people would have normally stood up there and say i'm for the green new deal after the goofy piece of document that they laid out talking about cow flatulence? how many people would have stood
up saying we are in favor of some of these other things? they are driving the narrative. i agree with ben. if there control is not in numbers, it's in the voice and the voices going to get larger because the republicans are going to pay attention to it, the media likes it and they have mastered social media to a degree that it really is driving the left. >> chris: what about that argument, donna. in terms of their effect on the house is limited, but in terms of their effect in the national conversation and politics, in other words, as an inside game, the caucus, the outside game, twitter followers? >> they have a lot of twitter followers, but you know what, we need people who can move legislation. we need people who can move votes. they are very good in terms of helping to grow the democratic party, but i don't see them right now setting the narrative for 2020. not yet. >> looked, nobody knows what the house democrats have done in the way is of passing bills but they know lots about aoc and tlaib and omar and presley in this element and its only going to get worse.
>> i think the g.o.p. has been broken down by trump. the g.o.p. is just basically the party of trump behind that. i don't think you can say that about the democrats. >> try to change the subject. >> chris: it your all pretty good at that. i thoroughly enjoyed the last two or 3 minutes. i just sat there and watched the panel work. >> as a woman, i am so proud of them. >> chris: see you next sunday. as a man, i'm proud of them too. up next, our "power player of the week" ." if there's another vacancy on the supreme court, he will help fill it. with turning ideas into action. putting your business on the map, connecting with customers, and getting the skills to use new tools. so, in case you're looking, we've put all the ways we can help in one place. free training, tools, and small business resources are now available at google.com/grow
>> chris: supreme court watchers pay close attention to the days between the court's terms. watching for any sign of justice may retire. as we reported last summer, if president trump gets to fill a third court vacancy, he will almost certainly reach out to our "power player of the week" " >> the job of a judge is to enforce the constitution as it's written. >> chris: at leonard leo is executive vice president of "the federalist" society, which advances the cause of limited
constitutional government. in washington, he is known a different name. >> you have been called president trump's supreme court whisperer. how do you plead? >> i don't remember ever whispering and i know he's never whispered. >> chris: leo is back in the spotlight any given summer if adjust is on the aging supreme court retires at the end of the spring term. anthony kennedy retired last summer. >> chris: do you -- giving your role, do you think to yourself we are headed into the regular season now? >> [laughs] every june we think about that. absolutely. >> chris: leo sardi helped get five justices on the court. he organized conservative support for clarence thomas and john roberts and sam alito, but his role increased dramatically when candidate trump asked him to draw up a list of potential nominees, which included neil gorsuch and brett kavanaug
brett kavanaugh. >> what you see in that list of 21, now actually i think 25, is probably the best and brightest individuals on the bench. >> outstanding legal skills, a brilliant mind, tremendous discipline. >> chris: just days after he took office president trump nominated neil gorsuch, who was on his list. >> i will do all my powers to be a faithful servant of the constitution and laws of this great country. >> it's always been a point of contention. >> chris: at leonard leo has been pushing his originalist philosophy for more than a quarter-century. the idea that the words of the constitution should be interpreted as they were commonly understood when it was written. outside his office, there's a photograph of the supreme court chambers of justice antonin scalia. the prime mover of a regionalism over the last half-century. >> chris: is this the inner sanctum of a regionalism? >> that's why it's hanging here outside of my office, because
this is the place. this is the originalist temple. >> chris: it leo was modest about what his role will be if there was another vacancy in the court saying it's up to the white house. but there's little doubt if president trump makes another nomination, he will be at the center of the action and he could not be more committed. >> this is really at the core of this legacy. you're dealing with fundamental transformation in the federal bench. it's about as inspiring and motivating as anything has been in my professional life. it's like nothing i've ever experienced, chris. it's really incredible. >> chris: it leo wouldn't tell us if he has a new favor for the supreme court on that list of 25. he says you could throw a dart at the list and get a solid conservative. that's it for today, have a great week and we will see you next "fox news sunday" ." ♪ (gentle music)
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