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>> chris: i'm chris wallace reporting live it from new hampshire ahead of the first in the nation primary, where the stakes are even higher after election chaos in iowa. >> our campaign is off to a very, very good start. >> we are going on to new hampshire victorious! >> chris: bernie sanders and pete buttigieg in a virtual tie, but the iowa results is still in dispute. the future of former front runner joe biden now in questi question. >> we took a gut punch and iowa. >> chris: this hour we are joined by the two new leaders in the democratic race who are now going after each other. >> unlike some of the folks up here, i don't have 40
billionaires, pete, contributing to my campaign. >> this is a time for addition, not rejection for belonging, not exclusion. >> chris: mayor pete buttigieg and senator bernie sanders, just two days before the new hampshire primary. then. president trump takes a victory lap after being acquitted on impeachment charges. we will ask the sunday panel what's his plan for reelection and a possible second term. and, our power player of the week, the new man in charge of america's treasure chest, all right now on fox news a sunday. and hello again from fox news. today in bedford new hampshire, just two days before the first in the nation primary we are
live in the great hall of the bed ford inn. ahead of the high-stakes race here in the granite state. a race that is even more important after the vote counting chaos and iowa embarrass the democratic party. in a moment we will speak with the two candidates who are both claiming victory in iowa. mayor pete buttigieg and senator bernie sanders, both the new front runners taking fire from the other contenders in the democratic race. but first, let's bring in peter doocy with the latest from the campaign trail here in new hampshire. peter? >> chris, during one of our trips here this summer, the secretary of state told us that, because new hampshire does not have professional sports teams, the primaries are like their pro sports. people are taking this one very seriously. >> this is the decision we will remember for the rest of our lives. >> pete buttigieg and bernie sanders both say they won iowa. >> if you read these articles of
establishment is beginning to get nervous. >> elizabeth warren is taking her pitch to people's porches. >> here we go. i am close. but i got the woman who came out. >> warren and sanders may have a home-field advantage, which has joe biden worried about going 0 for 2. >> i've always viewed the first four encounters, to primaries, to caucuses as a starting point. >> biden's latest warning point is about labels, warning sanders is a socialist and booted judge is a small town mayor. >> i do not believe we can take the risk of falling back on the familiar. >> that has biden blasting buttigieg with a serious diss on the democratic party. >> this guys not barack obama. >> but barack obama barack obama and pete buttigieg have something in common.
they have both beat joe biden and iowa. chris? >> chris: peter doocy reporting from up the road in concord, new hampshire, thank you peter and joining us now, one of the cowinners of the iowa caucuses, former mayor pete buttigieg, welcome back to fox news a sunday. >> good to be back. >> chris: how much didier win and iowa trance from the credibility of your campaign to show voters that you can actually beat this field. >> i think it was critically important. for the last year candidates have been claiming that we are the ones you can put the campaign together that is going to ultimately going to defeat donald trump. the process of proving that began in iowa. i was especially pleased we had a coalition of suburban, rural, and urban voters, caucus goers. we had older and younger caucus goers supporting us. we did particularly well in some of those counties that had swung from president obama to vote for
trump. but that is one state and one day. new hampshire is a state that things were its self with a very strong independence streak. we know we have to burn every vote here so i will continue to be on the ground doing events, taking questions, being on the ground with voters making sure that they hear our vision and i hear their concerns. i think that's how we're going to succeed. >> chris>> chris: the flip sidei don't have to tell you, you are more of a target among others. joe biden has come out with a new ad specifically targeting you, let's take a look. >> joe biden helped lead the passage of the affordable care act, which gave health care to 20 million people. when parker goers called on pete buttigieg, he installed decorative lights under bridges giving residents of south bend colorfully illuminated rivers. >> chris: you say biden is mocking people in small towns, he says the point he is making is you just have too little experience on too little a scale. you like to say that the democrats who win are the ones
who push for generational change. john kennedy, bill clinton, barack obama. he says, this is his quote, "he is no barack obama." >> he's right, i'm not, neither is he, neither is any of us. this isn't 2008, this is 2020. this is how we are going to turn the page and deliver a better future in the country. but also, there are so many communities, cities like mine in the industrial midwest, rural areas, even neighborhoods and our biggest cities that are tired of being treated as a punch line or not feeling that our voices are heard in washington, and a big part of this campaign is making sure that we carry those voices to the capital instead of thinking that the answers are going to come from washington as we know it. in order to win, also to govern we need to be ready to look to the future and that is what my campaign is about. >> chris: let's talk about some of the issues that have come up recently in the debate on friday night.
you asked about the fact that african-americans and south bend were four times more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession then whites were. here is part of that exchange. >> how do you explain the increase in black arrests in south bend under your leadership for marijuana possession. >> again, the overall rate was lower. >> know, there was an increase, the year before you were in office, it was lower. >> chris: i am less interested in the statistics then the fact it seemed to me that you are not straight. and that you, at first, you talk to the question, then when she pressed it again, you seemed to deny it. you have a reputation as a straight talker. the fact is, blacks were four times more likely to be arrested for marijuana arrests in your town when you were mayor. >> that disparity as they are, it is they are and our city and it is they are across the country. one of the things i wanted to make sure got across was that that was only part of the story.
in my city, black residents were less likely to be arrested on drug charges than in the state or in the country. still, the disparity is real. it is a problem, one of the reasons it's what i am proposing that we legalize marijuana outright. when we do, we have a process of expungement looking backward at the harm that drug policy has caused. we have seen time and time again, racial disparities in the enforcement, not just of drug laws but across the criminal legal system. we need reform. no wonder mayor is going to be able to resolve it. this is a national process that i am pleased to see, there is more and more bipartisan energy around doing something about. but it has to happen now. >> chris: mayor, you not only want to decriminalize marijuana, you want to decriminalize all drug possession. you say it the better answer is treatment, not incarceration. isn't the fact that it is illegal to have, to possess meth
and heroin. isn't that a deterrent to trying it in the first place? >> i think of what we need to focus on is where you have distribution. we need to focus on, of course it is important that it really remains illegal. to see when you would decriminalize it, it would not be illegal. >> possession would not be dealt with through incarceration. >> chris: you would say that possession of heroin is not going to be illegal. >> is not going to be dealt with through incarceration. >> chris: your website says decriminalize, it would not be illegal. >> yes, or it could be a misdemeanor. the point is not the legal niceties, the point is that we have learned through 40 years of a failed war on drugs that criminalizing addiction does not work. not only that, the incarceration does more harm than the offense that it's intended to deal with. this is not saying that these substances are okay, it is saying when soma develops a kind of addiction, throwing them in jail, or being in a situation
where jail is the closest thing they will ever get to inpatient treatment shows a profound failure in our country's mental health and addiction treatment system. i don't think that comes as a surprise. the american people know that we have got to do a better job. frankly, expecting the law enforcement system, first responders and jails to be the front lines of of mental health is just no way to run the united states of america. >> chris: in our town hall in des moines two weeks ago, you had an interesting discussion with eight democrats for life woman. a woman who was pro-life who said that all she wants is for the party, the democratic party to make an explicit statement that people like her are welcomed into the party. here's a bit of that exchange. >> do you want the support of pro-life democrats, from pro-life democratic voters, there are about 21 million of us. >> i respect where you are coming from, and i hope to earn
your vote, but i'm not going to earn your vote by tricking you. >> chris: for someone who talks so much about inclusion, that struck a lot of people as sounding like you were trying to keep people out. >> well, i was trying to show her the respect of being honest with her. look, she is very welcome to join this effort, i hope that voters like her do. i'm not going to turn around and support the criminalization of women and doctors as a way to get a vote because i do not believe it is right. i know that this is a tough and a sensitive issue. i'm from south bend, indiana, a lot of people i know, a lot of my own supporters don't view this the way i do. at the end of the day, it is very important to me, and to most americans to respect a woman's right to choose. >> chris: i think that she wasn't saying that you have to change your views, she was saying, is the tent big enough and the democratic party that people like her, who are against abortion, who are pro-life, are they welcomed into the party if they want to support it. >> here's what i would say,
being pro-life to me also means that making sure that children can grow up and be healthy and succeed. it means making sure that there is maternal care, it means making sure that there is nutrition. if we can agree on that much, then perhaps she can support me. if not, i respect that. >> chris: you have made it clear you want some structural changes, not just specific issue changes. one is to end of the electoral college. doesn't that mean, and a general election, if it was just about the popular vote, nobody would come to a state like new hampshire because they would be too busy going to population centers like new york and los angeles. >> no, i don't think that would be of the effect. the reason is, we run every other election in this country and the traditional fashion. when you're running for governor of a state of any size, you go
to the big cities and you go to the small towns. we don't run governors races with some electoral college system or some counties count more than other counties. if you want to earn that office, you campaign everywhere. i think the same is true for the country, at the end of the day, it is not clear to me why a rancher in texas should not count because they are in a state that is overwhelmingly conservative, or some but he living in brooklyn should not count because their community is overwhelmingly liberal. or that my city, a midsize city in the industrial midwest doesn't have a much of a voice because i am part of a state that is not considered a swing state. it doesn't even benefit small states. it just benefits some states. at the end of the day, i think it is more fair for everybody's vote to count the exact same like we do and every other election that we run in this country. >> chris: finally, bernie sanders who's going to be our next guest after the commercial is going at you hard right now, especially about the issue of some of your campaign donors, take a look. >> unlike some of the folks up here, i don't have a 40 billionaires, pete, contributing to my campaign coming from the pharmaceutical industry, coming from wall street, and all the
big money interests. >> chris: you say look, to be donald trump, we need all the help, all the money, all the support we can get. no qualms about accepting contributions from what he calls "big money interests." >> we have 2 million contributions in this campaign. i think the averages under $4040. we are building a movement that is going to defeat donald trump, i want everybody to help out, i want everybody who shares that vision to be at our side. i think donald trump and his allies raised $25 million in one day. i am building a campaign that is not defined by who re-rejects, it is defined by belonging, it is defined by inclusion, it is defined by pulling together in the coalition to get the job done. at the end of the day, whether someday goes to pete for america.com and ships and five bucks, you know i have to say the website, but you know this is how i built the campaign, or whether someday comes to the event, may be a surgeon who can contribute 2,000 without it being much skin off their back. i want all of them to be part of
this effort. >> chris: mayor buttigieg thank you, we will be watching in your final push before tuesday. when we come back, the other big winner out of iowa, senator bernie sanders joins us to discuss his 2020 strategy. as fox news sunday continues alive from the great hall of the bedford villaget and, right here in new hampshire. because beyond risk... welcome to the neighborhood, guys. there is reward. ♪ ♪ beyond work and life... who else could he be? there is the moment. beyond technology... there is human ingenuity. ♪ ♪ every day, comcast business is helping businesses go beyond the expected, to do the extraordinary. take your business beyond. it's unacceptable that americans pay vastly more than people in other countries, for the exact same drugs. but they aren't listening.
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he is on the campaign trail in manchester. a senator, i just asked mayor buttigieg about your charges about him that he is accepting money from billionaires, he says the point is, you have to build a coalition, and accept money from all sources if you're going to be donald trump. so the question is, are you more interested in purity then you are and winning? >> no, i am more interested in transforming this country, and lowering the outrageous cost of prescription drugs, and making sure that every american has health care as a human right, not a privilege, making sure that our kids can afford to go to college and not leave school deeply in debt. here's the problem, everybody knows this, whether you are a conservative or progressive. it is the billionaires in the big money interests that control what goes on politically, what goes on legislatively in this country. if you do, as mayor buttigieg does, take huge amounts of contributions from the ceos of
the pharmaceutical industry, from financiers in the fossil fuel industry, from the insurance companies, from wall street, does anyone seriously believe that you are going to stand up to those powerful entities and represent working people. chris, i am enormously proud of the fact that my campaign today, as of today, has received more campaign contributions, for more people, averaging all of $18.50 then any candidate in the history of the united states of america. we are a campaign of the working class, by the working class, and for the working class. we are going to take on wall street, and the insurance companies, and the drug companies, and the fossil fuel industry, and finally create a government, and an economy that works for all of us, not just the 1%. >> chris: but pete buttigieg, not to take his side in this argument, just to say what his argument is, he said look, i put out my platform, i'm going to
work for working and middle-class people if billionaires want to support me, support what i stand for, what is wrong with that? >> look, chris, do you or anybody else in america really believe that if the ceos of the pharmaceutical industry are making significant contributions to a campaign, that they don't know what they are doing? look, let me be very honest with you. in my view, the drug companies are not only extraordinarily greedy in charging us, and some cases ten times more for the prescription drugs that we get as they do in canada or in any other country. if they are corrupt. they engage in price-fixing, they engage in collusion. in terms of the opioid epidemic, they were actually selling a product that they knew was addictive and killing people. they continue to do it. do you think, when the ceos of major pharmaceutical companies contribute to your campaign, that you are really going to take them on? i don't think you will. we have massive levels of income
and wealth inequality in america, three people with more wealth than the bottom half of america. do you really think you're going to take on the rich and say guess what, guys, you're going to finally start paying your fair share of taxes, not as trump did give it a trillion dollars in tax rates to the 1% and large corporations. i think common sense suggests when you take money and you are dependent on billionaires, you are not going to stand up to them, you are not going to effectively represent working families. >> chris: senator, this picks right up on this conversation, you're getting hit as a democratic socialist, which is how you have identified yourself or decades, by everyone from joe biden to donald trump. take a look. >> bernie has labeled himself, not me, a democratic socialist. i think that is a label that. >> president trump: i think he is a communist, i think of communism and i think of bernie. you can say socialist, didn't he get married in moscow?
>> chris: in a general election, i know you laugh. [laughs] >> chris, i just want to say something, it gives me no pleasure to say this, we have a president who is a pathological liar. he lies, no, i did not get married in moscow, i participated in creating a sister city program with urs live oak, we had republicans with us. i'm not a communist, i presume the president knows the difference, maybe he doesn't. >> chris: here's the question, you're going to need the support of not just liberal, progressive, left-wing democrats, you will also need the support of independence, even conceivably, some moderate republicans. how do you overcome, not the communist label, but the socialist label, which joe biden said, not donald trump. >> right, right, that is fair enough. chris, i want to make two points on that.
in many respects, in many respects, we are a socialist society today. we have a huge budget, it puts money into all areas. donald trump, before he was president, is a private business person, he received $800 million in tax breaks and subsidies to build luxury housing in new york. now, what does that mean? when the government gives you $800 million in tax breaks and subsidies. the fossil fuel industry whose product happens to be destroying our planet right now receives tens and tens of billions of dollars in tax breaks and subsidies, so does the pharmaceutical industry. the difference between my socialism and trumps a socialism is i believe the government should help working families, not billionaires. i believe that health care is a human right, i believe we should raise the minimum wage to a living wage of $15 an hour, i believe, in fact, that the rich must start paying their fair share of taxes when you have massive levels of income and
wealth inequality. >> chris: but senator, let me ask you about some aspects, specific aspects of your agenda. you have just laid out some. let's put up on the screen some of the things that you are proposing. according, this is a report from cnn, if you add up your proposal for medicare for all, and of the green new deal, and cancellation of all student debt, and a guaranteed federal jobs program. all things that you propose, that comes to $60 trillion in new spending over ten years. senator, the congressional budget office, nonpartisan estimates projects that over the next ten years, the federal government will spend a total of $52 trillion in new spending. you would more than double that. >> chris, let me deal with the issues, first of all, we pay for everything that we propose. in terms of health care, the question that trump, joe biden, anybody else has got to answer. if we leave the status quo
alone, and the next ten years were going to be spending $50 trillion. we are now spending twice as much per person, $11,000 a year, as do the people of any other country and earth. we are spinning a fortune for health care, yet we have 87 million americans uninsured or underinsured. 30,000 die each year because they don't get to a doctor. unbelievably, 500,000 people go bankrupt because of medically related illnesses, they get cancer, they go bankrupt, that is insane. medicare for all will cost -- let me finish -- medicare for all will cost the average american less than the $12,000 a year they are paying right now to the insurance company. you can call it whatever you want, but when you are paying a premium through the insurance companies, i called at attacks. in those premiums, we and the copayments. >> chris: senator, let me get in here. larry summers, not a right wing conservative, he was the
treasury secretary for bill clinton, he was the top economic advisor, one of the top economic advisors. >> i know larry. >> chris: okay. here's what he had to say about your plan. this is far more radical than all previous presidencies on either the right or on the left, how do you persuade voters in a general election that you are in the political mainstream? >> this sound was interrupted, i did not hear everything that you said, but let me just say this, chris. every other major country on earth guarantees health care to all people as a human right, and they also spend substantially less per capita. they pay far less for prescription drugs. to be when he is not just talking about health care, he's talking about the whole program. he says it's far more radical -- >> i got it chris, i got it chris. in terms of climate change,
chris, in terms of climate change, i do propose a lot of money. you know why? the scientists are telling us the future of the planet is at stake. we spend $60 billion dealing with hurricane sandy, you see what is happening in puerto rico, you see what is happening in australia right now. what the scientists are telling us is we have an existential crisis. how much you think it is going to cost when we have more and more extreme weather disturbances? what you think it is going to cost in food production we have increased drought. we have got to act to save this planet. the green new deal, by the way, creates up to 20 million good paying jobs. transforming our energy system away from fossil fuel to energy efficiency. on this issue, climate change, chris, there are very few options if we want to save this planet for our kids and our grandchildren. give them a planet that is healthy and habitable, we need a forceful response. that is not bernie sanders, that is what the scientific community
is telling us. by the way, it is a disgrace that we have a president who ignores that reality. >> chris: senator sanders, thank you, always good to speak with you, sir. always invigorating. we will be watching how the world turns on tuesday night. >> thank you, very much, chris. >> chris: thank you. up next, we will bring in our sunday group to discuss how this week's primary could change the direction of the democratic race. as fox news a sunday continues, from bedford new hampshire. and building workforce development and tuition-free college programs to generate the talent companies need. with a $150 billion investment in state of the art, modern infrastructure, and a nation-leading commitment to low-cost clean energy, new york is doing more than any other state to build for the future of your business. new york state, the state of the future. learn more at esd.ny.gov
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because we need an economy that works for all of us, >> it's along race, i took a hit in iowa, i will probably take a hit here. >> chris: former front runner joe biden, former, already conceding defeat ahead of tuesday's primary. it is time for our sunday group, g.o.p. strategist karl rove dana perino, anchor of the daily briefing, and fox news political analyst ron williams. dana, as our messaging guru, how good an idea to acknowledge that you are going to lose a couple of days before people even go to the polls? >> dana: i would say this was joe biden in the debate the other night, opening line, it was a little bit shocking. i'm sure it was disappointing to some of his supporters. however, that was clearly planned by his campaign. they wanted to lower expectations. the problem is, they've been lowering expectations of so far down that you wonder how they
think they can bounce back. we know a lot about what is happening here in new hampshire, kind of know what happened in iowa. we don't know a lot about nevada or south carolina. he had a lead there, but i feel like the national lead is starting to slip away from him. i thought, from a communications standpoint, bernie sanders, feels to me, like their best communicator. he's the one that is punching. i don't agree with him, but he's the one trying to take it to president trump. i would also say he's not talking a lot about elizabeth warren. coming in third means you don't get a lot of attention. but amy klobuchar was described by some particle analysts here, in the state saying she had such a good debate performance on friday night that she's the one that's on the move. she was said to be the most interesting want to watch. >> chris: it is interesting, there is a new poll today, i believe "the boston globe" poll that indicated that buttigieg off his debate performance slipped a couple of points, and amy klobuchar went up three points, which brings me to you, julie, what is your read on this race, no two days out, are at
buttigieg and sanders is still a front runners? what are, among the other three, warren, biden, clover shark, who is most likely to spring a surprise? >> julie: you have to look at what is happening in new hampshire, and what could happen in the states to come, new hampshire, you feel a lot of energy for bernie sanders, it is undeniable right now, buttigieg does seem to have gotten coming out of iowa. but i would say watch a klobuchar, she's never had a debate this close to a voting contest. this is when people start to tune in. when i was out yesterday, talking to voters, a lot of interest in her. the big question is, iowa, new hampshire, these are two states that don't look like the rest of the country. they don't look like the rest of the democratic party. the challenge for joe biden, right now, is to hang on until south carolina. can he keep his supporters there, energized enough, and thinking that he is electable, or will he go in there with a real sense that this is a campaign that is on the decline?
>> chris: karl, you have had some expense in new hampshire. i always like to bring this up. i have been planning this question for about 48 hours. you and george w. bush, and i would like to say you, you and george w. bush, not your chubby bush and you. 2,000, new hampshire primary, lost, and upstate to john mccain. how do you read the democratic race in new hampshire two days out? >> karl: we will have a surprise. we know one thing, bernie sanders who won here by 22 points last time around, if he wins, is not going to be winning by 22 points. this field is fragmented. for the first time ever, we are going to have five candidates were getting delegates out of iowa. the previous record was three. lowest percentage winner, 26.9 whatever. we are going have a similar frank bennett picture here. loves interesting to me was your interview with sanders, who talked about a great drive-by, two one-hundredths of 1% of the
money that pete buttigieg has raised his come from 40 billionaires who gave him $2800 each. yet suddenly, those contributions made him responsible for the opioid crisis, and fossil fuels, and climate. i thought that was really great on bernie's point, just grab it in there. the same in his interview, his question with you on money. we pay for everything, he said. that is not what he told norah o'donnell. he said i don't even own a cost, nobody knows. so what is it? but artfully done, i think enough to keep him in the hunt for first. >> chris: i would pick up on some thing you said. back in 2016, we need to point out, he's from the neighboring state of vermont, people in new hampshire have known him for decades. he beat hillary clinton, 60% to 38, 22 points. let's say he beats buttigieg by five points, is that a victory? >> karl: it is a victory, you can't take that away from him, but it is the sign of the fragmentation in this field. it is going to be going on at
least through march that this field is fragmented. we have five people competing here, we don't know how many are still going to be alive by marco have another entrance into the cause on march 3rd when mayor mike, spending god-awful amounts of money and stay to vote on the third. i cannot turn on my television without the mayor telling me what great accomplishments he has had in new york city, which in texas, is not a great selling message. >> chris: it brings me exactly to what i wanted to ask you, juan, it looks like the two front runners coming out of here are still likely to be sanders and buttigieg. big elect t electability questit both of them. how is the setting up for mala bloomberg, coming in, march 3rd, super tuesday, 40% of the delegates from sea to shining sea being voted on. >> juan: even though he is on the sidelines, chris, mayor bloomberg had a very good week. i will tell you why, the
centrist lane is opening up for him, obviously heard about the struggles that you see vice president biden having at this moment, those struggles mean that people like mayor mayor bloomberg are being sought because people want someone that they believe can stop a second term for a donald trump, they are looking for a strong centrist and thinking maybe the centrist there right now is stumbling. i think that his add to, his ads have been powerful, picking up on what karl said, he pledged this past week to double down on the existing spending, he is already spent $300 million since november, doubling down on that. secondly, the dnc rules now, allow him into future debates, so he will be on the debate stage. i don't know how charismatic he might be, but he will be there. he will be a player. finally, you had donald trump. donald trump this week is saying hey, little mike, he needs a box at the debate. trying to make fun of him, i
think that also elevates the idea that may be, president trump, now, cease him and his big dollars as a threat. >> chris: that may pick up on that with you, julie. for all of the presidents bluster about biden, not little mike, many mike, who do you get the sense the president and his campaign are most worried about, of all the democrats facing in november. >> julie: there are two candidates i hear a lot about from trump advisors. one is bloomberg, he is in their face right now. the president is a big tv watcher. he sees the ads. what they're worried right now is not just to head face-off in the fall, but it is that bloomberg is committed to spending a tremendous amount of money for whoever the democratic nominee is. that is important because democrats are trailing trump in money right now. the other when i hear a lot about a sanders. the public line about sanders from republicans right now is that he is a socialist. there is no way that a socialist can win in this country. but donald trump, more than anybody knows what it is like to
run for president and have everyone say you're going to lose. have everyone say there is no path forward for you. that worries them, they know this is a country that is in in an unpredictable mood right now, mood for change. that doesn't really rule anybody out right now. >> chris: do they think that perhaps the populace live wave that brought trumpian in 2016 could bring sanders and in 2020? >> julie: there is some overlap, some of those white working-class supporters who are drawn to the same trade message that trump has, bernie has that too, the sort of antifree-trade message, pull out of the big multilateral deals. they do think that there is the potential that some of those motors that swung from obama to trump could swing to bernie sanders. >> chris: panel, we have to take a break here when we come back, what is president trump's plan to leave the country post impeachment? we will get our panels take when fox news a sunday returns live, from bedford, new hampshire. yu
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>> president trump: i want to apologize to my family for having them have to go through a phony, rotten deal. by some very evil and sick people. >> chris: president trump striking back at his critics after acquittal this week in the senate impeachment trial. we are back now with the panel. karl, what did you think of president trump's post impeachment victory lap, going after democrats, even met romney, a republican, who voted against him. in a scene, i have to say they reminded me of the end of the godfather when michael corleone says today, we take care of all family business, firing not only colonel vindman who had been his national security advisor, and
vin demands to brother and investor gordon sondland. >> karl: the president has a right to hav ambassadors and white house staff that he is comfortable with. his tour ended in july, but signaled he wanted to leave it february, i would've left him at february, but he is a right to have staff and whom he has confidence. i thought gordon sondland's statement was a very generous a statement thanking the present for the opportunity to serve the country. the president has a right to do that. the president, i understand what he is angry. but the american people wanted to hear some meetings that you know want, it is over, i intend to move on. i don't think he served his cause well by angrily striking. we spent more time thinking about mitt romney after the president made a statement that we would have spent anyway. we spent more time looking at sort of the anger on both sides
at each other then we would have. the president had a moment to strike a great, i'm looking forward, i think it would've been good for him politically and good for the country. but i understand it, this is something he cares deeply about because he feels personally aggrieved about it. i wish she would have been able to tone a little bit of that down in tone a lot up on let's take going and move forward. to be 11, both aspects of that, first of all, the president lashing out at his critics after the impeachment acquittal, and then also, the decision to fire a couple of the people who testified against him, and against the active the white house, what about karl's argument, the president has a right to have people he can trust working for him. >> juan: this is not about trust, chris, this is about payback. if you thing about lieutenant colonel vindman, this guy is a decorated soldier and, as far as we know truth teller as confirmed by john bolton and others who testified before congress. the president is acting, also,
in defiance of all laws that protect whistle-blowers, or people who speak truth about when they see corruption or malfeasance in government. that is the way the laws are constructed. i think he's going after vindman after sondland, he is denigrating mitt romney's faith in order to scare other people into silence in the future. i think your example of the godfather rang true for me. this is like taking care of business after, you know, going to the mattresses, right? when you look at the senate and you look at the g.o.p. votes, with the exception of romney, you can understand why people were reacting the way they did. they are in fear of this guy. he has control of the party, and he has silenced them. >> chris: karl, you want to come back? >> karl: i love it, the law was broken, the whistle-blower law? not even the attorney for vindman made that outrageous suggestion, the president has a right to have staff whom he has confidence and trust in. he had every right, vindman had every right to step forward and
say what he did. but as to being justified and verified by others, he said, i had problems with that conversation. well, guess what, that conversation on its face is not what the democrats alleged it was. they alleged it was a quid pro quo in the president never says you've got to do this or i'm not going to do that. that is ridiculous. >> juan: i think there's no question, karl, that that call was not perfect, that way was put in a secret server. >> karl: we are going to impeach the president of the united states for not meeting our perfect standards? >> juan: perfect standard? when you are signed into the united states senate, you take an oath to uphold and protect the constitution. when you see the most powerful man in the land breaking that trust, and then you close your eyes, something is going on. >> karl: okay, all right. i'm not going to question the credibility, the judgment of people who said i believe, like lamar alexander, it wasn't appropriate but it didn't rise
to lawful. >> juan: there you go. there you go. >> chris: i'm glad the acquittal settled everything. let's turn to the state of the union address where the president reached out. here's one particular issue that is going to be a big one in this campaign, take a look. >> president trump: i have also made an ironclad pledge to american families, we will always protect patience with pre-existing conditions. >> chris: dana, after all of the president's efforts to kill obamacare, he is now part of a lawsuit that would basically end of the affordable care act, how big a lift for him, to make the case, this is going to be a big issue, as you well know, in this campaign, health care, to make the argument that he is the protector of people with pre-existing conditions? >> dana: well he got a little bit of a reprieve because the supreme court is not going to decide that decision on obamacare until after the election, so actually, you go back to the status quo, which would be the 2018 election,
wanted the democrats do? they drove forward on pre-existing conditions, like michael bloomberg ads everywhere across the country, they said the president will protect you there. i think that the white house and the administration has to figure out a way to communicate better what they're trying to say about pre-existing conditions. i understand the case, but it's not resonating. it's much easier for a democrat to say he won't protect them. there is, however, some possibility of a health care compromise to lower some drug cross, though the republicans and democrats are a bit far apart, the president said he wants to do that, that is a possibility. basically, what happened this week, it's like the olympic qualifying round and the hurdles, the democrats tripped on the first one, the president kept running. he took the state of the union, what he decided to do with the momentum going forward will be interesting. his budget is released tomorrow, no doubt the democrats come out swinging. >> chris: among other things, he calls for cuts in medicaid. let me ask you, julie, clearly the president was trying to reach out to some groups that he has had constituencies, he has had trouble with, suburban women, minorities, he made a big
effort. how confident are they that he can pull that off? >> dana: they are trying, they have the luxury of time and money right now. they don't have a democratic challenger at the moment, so they can pressure test these different constituencies and see where there is the possibility to make up some ground. in a really close election, there is every indication that this one will be a close election, if you can pick off one percentage point, two percentage points among african-american voters, in some of these key states, that could be a difference maker. the group that is most concerning that he has to get back, suburban women. they have fled the republican party. it was a disaster for republicans in 2018, in large part because of suburban women. they are the ones that look at trump and worry about tone, they worry about his attacks, they worry about her personal gets. that is where you can have all of the ads, you can have all of the policy proposals that you want, but can president trump stay on message for ten more months? >> chris: so as you were watching his state of the union with the idea of suburban women, those of suburban rings around
philadelphia, and other major cities, where they took a drubbing in 2018, what did you see? >> dana: i think that kind of speech is a really good speech for the president in terms of trying to get back those voters, but that is one speech in early february. the president is out on twitter multiple times a day, he is speaking at the white house, sometimes multiple times a day. that is not often the message that you get. >> chris: 30 seconds for you, karl, even pushing the idea that this president needs to talk more about an agenda for a second term. he talked about what he is done, he's very good at that, he said the best is yet to come, is that enough? >> karl: no, it is not. prescription jobs, child care, school choice, all of those that he touched on. my sense from talking is that they get it, they have to have a second act, i would also point to the ad during the super bowl about 2nd's. that was a powerful add, aimed straight at two groups. the african-american community, and suburbanites, suburbanite woman. i have to tell you, i was around
democrat operatives in iowa, watching that ad, that made them very nervous. >> chris: which made you feel very happy. thank you, panel, see you next sunday, up next, our "power player of the week," we will talk to the man now in charge of the world's biggest museum complex. about his plan to bring the vast collection into your home. rs. we make ideas grow. from an everyday solution... to one that can take on a bigger challenge. we are solving problems that improve lives.
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>> chris: the smithsonian has been called "america's treasure chest." now, its new leader says it is time to share that bounty with the world. here is our power player of the week. >> it's kind of like buying a new car, i know how to drive, i know most of the buttons, suddenly there are new buttons. i am like a little kid it discovering the smithsonian every day. >> chris: lonnie bunche is talking about his new role of secretary of the smithsonian. >> there is no place that is as full of wonder as the smithsonian the smithsonian. >> chris: the first african-american to lead the institution. >> most of my career i viewed myself as an outsider banging on the doors, then one day, i wake up, i am the quintessential
insider, it meant that suddenly, my presence could make a difference. >> chris: bunche now oversees the world's biggest museum complex, 19 museums, nine research centers, and the national zoo. 155 million artifacts, iconic objects like the space shuttle discovery, abraham lincoln's hat, and henry, the 11th son elephant that welcomes visitors to the museum of natural history. >> i find myself walking in the gym hall in natural history and learning the stories behind the hope diamond, which i never knew. >> chris: bunche has been a power player twice before. we first met him in 2012 when he was working to put together the national museum of african-american history and culture. >> 8:00 in the morning, i have the best job in america, 2:00 and america, it is the dumbest thing i've ever done. >> chris: in 2016, he gave us an insider to her. just days before the museum finally open to the public. >> i am humbled, emotional, in
fact i'm very emotional. >> chris: the museum has been a huge success. more than 6 million visitors since it opened. >> what i love more than anything else is watching grandparents to share their stories with their grandchildren. it really has become this source of intergenerational learning that i'm very proud of. >> chris: bunche says that kind of family storytelling sparked his own love of history. >> when i was a little kid, my grandfather would read to me and i remember seeing pictures of african-american schoolchildren, and i was fascinated by that, i look at those faces and i said, i want to know what where their lives like. i really felt that my job became a desire to sort of make visible those often invisible, and to give voice to the voiceless. >> chris: the museums a success led to his new job, now that lonnie bunche is in charge of the whole smithsonian, he wants to make sure the voiceless are heard around the world. >> we would like to reach 1 billion people. we would like to do that over the next decade.
>> chris: appealing people online can go and see america's treasure chest? >> that is the goal. as they say in chicago, make no little plans. >> chris: now, this program, tune into fox news channel over the next three days for special coverage of new hampshire's first in the nation primary, which could have a big effect on the race for the democratic nomination. that's it for today, have a great week, we will see you back in washington next fox news sunday.
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