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♪ elizabeth: hello and a very warm welcome to "focus on europe." this week, many europeans are looking anxiously at turkey. that's because people here are increasingly worried about president erdogan's human rights record. tens of thousands of people sacked or arrested and shocking reports of abuse in prisons. a justified response to a failed coup or disturbing treatment of government critics? we'll be talking to one of those targeted to find out. my name is elizabeth shoo. thanks for joining us today.
in a week when people here in germany are reeling from a spate of violent attacks. panic was caused last week in munich by a deranged teenage gunman. the city is in mourning. barbara nalepa ao lost her daughter in a similar incident. she tells us that her life will never be the same. for many of us here in europe, munich is almost a symbol of germany at its most affluent and peaceful -- relaxed beer gardens and good food -- but last week, that all changed when nine people were killed by a gunman in a shopping center there. initially, there were fears this was also an act of islamic extremism, but we now know that this was a gun attack carried out by a disturbed teenager r o was born in germany. he was inspired by a similar assault in germany years ago, an
attack which the families of those victims are still trying >> when barbara nalepa looks out her window, she thinks of her daughter nicole and how she watched early the house for school on that morning seven years ago. it was the last time she would see her daughter. on march 11, 2009, deadly violence shook the small town of winnenden. tim k., a former student at the albertville secondary school, burst into the building and began firing a gun owned by his father, who was in a sports shooting club. by the end of the day, he had killed 15 people including 16-year-old nicole. and now, munich. nalepa: when i saw that young man with a weapon, it was really hard. i imagine what was going on back
then. it brorought back all the oldd images really badly. when i saw the boy, i thought, "that's no terrorist attack. it's a shooting rampage." >> the munich shooter was apparently inspired by the winnenden attack. on july 22, he killed nine people and himimself in a shopog mall. soon after, in the shooter's home, police discovered photos from winnenden, apparently in preparation. ali david s. . also looked up to this man, and d his brave it -- anders breivik. exactly five years ago before the munich rampage, breivik killed 77 people in oslo and the island of utoya, the worst massacre in the history of
norway. he posted information online, including about weapons. the munich shooter ordered his gun online. investigators say he played violent video games. >> it's a kind of game that practically every identified mass killer far has played. >> in winnended, this sculpture commemorates the victims. nicole nalepa's name is inscribed here. another is jana schober. she was only 15. for years afterward, her father campaigned for tougher gun laws and against violent video games. now he has given up. >> none of the demands we made were met. regarding gun laws, regarding certification of video games. it's a fight against windmills, and the mills are stronger than you. >> the munich killer had a gun. ali david s. apparently felt bullied by his fellow students, and as we now know, he was here in winnenden at the albertville
secondary school and took photos in preparation. that realization reopens old wounds among the victims' parents and creates new ones among victims' parents in munich. barbour: i wish i could tell the parents something good, but i'm sorry, i cannot. life will never be the same again. the pain will never go away. never. elizabeth: a tragedy. the attack in munich was just one of four violent assaults in germany within the space of a week, and what has shocked people here particularly is that three of the other attacks were carried out by young asylum seekers. some of those who argued against angela merkel's open-door refugee policy now feel vindicated. you will remember of course that last year, germany took in more
than one million refugees and migrants. others worry that these latest attacks will simply stigmatize asylum-seekers, but many of the migrants are in fact unaccompanied children, themselves at risk of violence or exploitation. >> a photo of his mother on the beach. abdulrazak always keeps a close. it is in the mental of the time before the war. many neighborhoods of his hometown of damascus look like this. he is only 14, a child, but his mother sent him off anyway. better to flee a loan then be killed. he said he was totally dependent on the traffickers en route, who took all the money his mother had given him. >> i saw young refugees whose rubber boat ank. they tried to swim. they had no phones anymore to call the parents. their parents don't know i if their kids are alive or dead.
>> in turkey, he e worked in a cafe to earn money. other young people sold theieir bodies, he says, including in europe. they do almost anything to survive. when he arrived in germanyny, he got a dadangerous ofoffer. abdudulrazak: i w was ask to trtransport a bag with drugs. i was supupposed to bring it toa certain person, pick up the money, a and then go, but if something happens, if the bad gets damaged or something is missing, you're in n big troubl. >> i don't know where some of them even our anymore. >> veronika holzinger
supervises juveniles who fled without their parents. 20% of her charges disappear, she says. two suddenly departed just a few weeks ago. holzinger: they were attending school perfectly normally, and then they just left. they didn't even pack a bag. they left all the thingngs behid hehere and hopopped on a train. >> shealled ththe police d reported them is missing. authorities haveow regisred nearly 9000 such cases in germany, 10 times more than in 2015. most move on and then vanish from the authorities' radar, in search of work to pay their families back. next up, the big city. munich's main train station. we are following the drug squad. during the refugee crisis, they have seen more and more juveniles here working as upfront dealers handing drugs to customers. nearly 50 underage refugees have been arrested on drug trafficking offenses.
police noticed a group of very young looking refugees. their ids are checked. their officers have seen how kids like them are forced into a life of crime, and they worry. >> if they cannot pay the people smugglers for these voyagers -- voyages, it's possible they will be recruited by criminalal gangs to smuggle drugs or sell them or drum up business. people that young can easily become dependent and exploited. >> counselors and eight organizations criticized the fact that the german government has practically put family reunificatation's on ice for juvenile refugees. another problem is that t these facilities are desesigned to hep kids with behavioral if you -- issues. refugee kids have very different needs. holzinge i think it's difficult
for refugees to understand germany, and there's simply the danger that in the beginning, it all seems insurmountablee to soe juveniles, and they cannot rely on the system and let it work for r them. and getting invnvolved in criril acactivities is always a threat. >> evevery morning, holzinger fears she will arrive at work and discover that another boy has vanished. they all dream of the big city. >> i like the big city. my friends are in berlin. i like berlin. >> for 14-year-old abdulrazak, berlin almost became hisis downfall. he was offered a job as a drug courier, but he managed to resist. his mother would surely be proud of him. elizabeth: the refugee crisis has divided society in europe, but the other big divide sparking a debate here is the growing disparity between rich
and poor. traditionally, european societies have well developed social welfare systems, but since the financial crisis, some countries have been struggling with high unemployment, making social welfare harder. one option being debated across europe is the idea of a guaranteed basic income for everyone. in britain, though, people are not so sure it will work. >> manchester is widely known as britain's capital of poverty, even though it might not look like it at first glance. if it is 1.6 million people, the .6 live below the poverty line. one of the 600,000 poor is stan. once a successful businessman, he suffered a stroke six years ago. he's been living on welfare in a subsidized lat ever since.
>> i live like any normal person would live, and i appreciate life. also, i have to thank the government for looking after me in dire need. i really appreciate that. >> about 100 kilometers south lives psychology professor theodore dally rumbled. as he sees it, living on welfare saps people's will to live. he would like to see it abolished. >> if people have in life in which they have nothing to fear and nothing to hope for and they have no transcendental purpose in life, either -- they do not have any religious belief or political belief, they do not have any cultural activity, what is left for them? in those circumstances, you must not be surprised if people start to behave in a very self-destructive way. >> before he retired, thee professor worked in some of the trouble spots of britain's
working-class areas. since the 1970's, he has witnessed mass unemployment and the vicious cycle of life on welfare. asas he sees it,t, and unconditl babasic i income would d supprey trace of initiative. he says even the meager welfare some receive now is enough to stifle their initiative to a great extent. >> unless people are recognizing there's somethihing wrongng, ths nothing you can do. and of course, we don't live in a time when anyone is prepared to point out there is something wrong. we live in a time when all ways of life are e regarded as momorr leless equal. and so it's difficult to persuade people that actually it's necessary for them to contribute to make some difference to their own lives. >> if you come around, i will show you. >> stand and professor dalrymple not know one another.
it's possible the professor would see him as an exception. stan has no shortage of energy. >> the communal garden. if you walk this way, i will show you. >> and has no shortage of dignity, but without state health, his stroke would have left him on the streets, and undignified existence. stan: i'm not in it to sponge off the state. i have earned it. i was born here. i paid my tax, i paid my insurance, so, yes, i do get disability and it does bring a lot of dignity back. and a lot of my pride and my confidence. >> professor dalrymple does make allowances for emergency situations, but he insists to many people are on the dole here and almost everywhere in europe. he says it does not bring out the good in people and neither would unconditional basic income. >> this is a kind of romantic
argument that everyone has an enormous town within them which would enenable him to play an outstanding role in society, but i don't think that's actually true. people will still have to do very ordinary work and is nothing wrong with doing very ordinary work. it is a perfectly honorable thing to do. >> in fact, stan agrees. he and professor dalrymple share the same opinion concerning the unconditional basic income. stan imagines that most people would probably just end up hanging around the pub and probably doing nothing. elizabeth: but now, back to turkey where there are growing concerns that president erdogan is clamping down on dissent, particularly since the failed coup earlier this month. there are fears he is using that as a pretext to silence critics, including human rights activist
and journalists. some are losing their jobs. others are being imprisoned in -- in prison. it's intimidating for those targeted but also really tough for their families. >> sibel hurtas has come with her lawyer to find out how her husbsband, a human rightsts activist, , is doing. the couple were arrested at an airport after turkrkey declareda state of emergency and he remains in custody. sibel: they told us, "we are arresting you," and it was clelr they were enjoying it. they took us away without explanation. they did not even have an arrest warrant. >> the turkish president feels threatened by people like hurtas and her husband, especially since july 15 when soldiers attempted a coup. they occupied tv stations and ministries, blocked off bridges, and attacked the seat of parliament and erdogan's home.
more than 300 people were killed. the attempt was soon killed -- quelled any suspected plotters arrested. since then, the country has been swept by a wave of arrests, targeting all government critics. hurtas says her husband once defended a newspaper affiliated with the movement in court, enough to warrant suspicion from the turkisish government. sibel: there's no evidence that he supports gulen. as a lawyer, he fights for everyone's human rights. > her husband has been in custody for 48 hours. neither she nor her lawyer have then allowed to talk to him. that is a clear breach of law. >> thehe governmenent cannot juo whevever i wants during a state
of emergency, no matter if it lasts 3, 6, or however many months, and then just say everything will return to normal. no, it must observe the law now. even when it comes to the crew -- the coup plotters. otherwise, it is no better than them. >> it will be a wild before turkey goes back to normal. buslods of people are being transported across the country to face prosecution. the atmosphere is tense. meanwhile, erdogan supportrts backed this tough stance and think the 13,000 a arrests are justified. >> the people demand that those who have damaged this country receive the punishment they deserve. >> look. all the shops are open and life goes on as normal despite the state of emergency. >> after hours of waiting, sibel
finally learns her husband has appeared before a judge, so she heads to court, but yet again, her husband is not released. he is sent back to jail without having spoken to her or his lawyer even once. after four days, he is finally released. sibel does not want to talk about the anxiety and here she felt during this time. she is glad her husband was not abused during his incarceration. >> there was a bit of a tense atsphere. i sasaw some people that could t even open their eyes. of course, these plotterers shod be prosecuted d and punished, bt this doesn't mean that this kind of investigation gives a green
card to the governmnment. the second thing, this never gives a green light to torture anyone. >> only a few mededia outlets -- most of them foreign -- reported on his arrest and his wife's fight to free him. most turkish newspapers shied away from the topic, preferring not to address the government's heavy-handed crackdown. elizabeth: what a great couple. finally, to the netherlands, always thought of as a country of cyclists. it seems the dutch are also pretty keen on walking. so keen that every year, tens of thousands gathered together to march up to 125 miles over four days. sounds very exhausting if you ask me. to find out why anyone would themselves through that, our reporter there got his trainers on and took to the road.
>> is fascinating to see masses of people walking. some folks can sit and watch them for hours. the grout of people numbers almost 50,000. they march as much as 55 kilometers a day. >> marching through holland in four days, i join and walked around. part of it, anyway. >> temperatures are hovering just under 35 degrees celsius. that tends to beg the question -- why are these people doing it . what is the meaning of this walk? >> trying to lose some weight. >> et al.? why are you here? >> i don't know. i took a reading break. i'm reading and walking now. it's good to save time. >> what's the reason for you to take part?
>> to take part. just for fun. i want to walk. >> it takes a dose of willpower as well, but not so much on the first 250 meters. >> it's easy. >> it's the 100th time the masses have gone for this collective walk, a colorful international festival and for a number of professionals. this is how the swedish troops celebrate every stage they compete -- complete. the origin of the walk of the world is military. the dutch armed forces introduced the practice as fitness training for their troops. now soldiers from more than 60 countries join in. there are no power blocks or political alliances here. military personnel from the world over walk side by side.
>> we are all here from different countries but all doing the same event and cheering on the same people. it means a lot. we will definitely be spreading the word to tell more people about it because a lot of people back in the states don't know about it. >> the soldiers try to march in time, but for most others, it is a matter of just completing every stage, especially toward late evening. military personnel here and civilians fraternize openly. the world becomes a village in the best sense. together with friends and meet new people, this is an option. this is an option to do it. i also walk different places in
the world, so this is the biggest one of all of them. it's a good opportunity to meet other people. >> i want to be healthy. i want to exercise. >> that's the basic idea as an exhibition along the way explains. the aim of her moaning understanding among nations through hiking is relatively new. in 1909, the motives were strictly athletic in nature. >> the goal was to have a lot of peoplealk and exercise in a healthy way, so not like the tour de france or a marathon that is really exhausting and a very difficult effort, but just a normal workout for a lot of people. >> at the world campground, there are hikers from all over. but some of them are nursing injuries from the road. >> terrible. i stumbled early in the morning just after the start against a student who passed out drinks. ice packs, beer, and rest.
>> you don't walk anymore? >> no more walking anymore. >> an excellent idea. time to check out the field kitchen. >> i and the asian chef today. tomorrow, i am the italian chef, so you are welcome to come back. >> at this festival of nations, even an exhaususted reporter can find a place to rest his weary head. time for a short break. see you in about 12 hours. good night. elizabeth: looks a lot more sociable than the gym. that is all for this week. thanks for watching. feel free to get in touch with us any time with your thoughts and comments. for now, goodbye and see you again next week. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]
[cheers and applause] paul: woof. [laughter] well, i'm greatly honored to be here. thank you, kenny and ina, and thank you, all bioneers. it really feels like i've come home. i really have some groundbreaking newew research, never beenen revealed to an audience like this, only in the past several weeks, that i'm gonna reveal at the end of my talk. now, i'd like to start off my talk, because i'm wearing my favorite hat, it's a very cool hat, made from the amadou mushroom. it's a birch polypore mushroom. this hat is actually made by some ladies in