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♪ >> hello and welcome to quadriga. what a week. an election victory on one side of the english channel, a disaster on the other. france and britain: a tale of two political worlds. the french president triumphed in the first round of parliamentary elections despite or because of the newcomer status of his party. it looks set to win the majority in the second round of elections this weekend. a different picture in the u.k. where theresa may hoped up herns will sure
majority. tough negotiations on britain's withdraw from the eu get underway gett. our europe's fortunes looking up? it is a pleasure to welcome emmanuelle chaze, a correspondent for radio france international and she says that the party hegemony is reshaping the political landscape. but, theresa may's alliance will affect brexit negotiations. , pleasure to welcome jon worth a consultant for eu institutions and also a blogger. he says that the eu turned a corner with emmanuel macron's victory in germany stability but the uncertainty caused by the u.k. is very serious. and we are happy to have malte lehming back on the program, the editor of tagesspiegel in berlin
. he says nationalism and populism are now waning forces in europe, leaving an opening for a new realism. >> let's start with a look at what this hegemony means for france. as past experiences teach, france is not an easy country to govern. how long do you think that this fever for macron will last? >> it is interesting because we have elected a technocrat to be our president. a seems that he wants to rule the country as he would a startup, which is god for a startup the governing as a different exercise. i do not know how long it will last but i'm surprised to see that the french people, a majority do not seem to realize that we are heading toward a .nique party ruling the country
that doesn't do any could for democracy. >> we will talk about that later on, single party rule, whether that is a risk. first let's find out what jon worth thinks about how long theresa may will last. >> it is a matter of weeks or months. we do not know when it is going to go wrong but it is not going to be far in the future. we do not know whether the deal she is trying to strike for northern ireland will work or not. that is not certain yet. when the negotiation star, that is going to be another hurdle. there are also difficulties within her own party. at the moment, the conservative party says it is behind theresa may though we cannot be certain how long that will last. i will be surprised if she is prime minister in 2018. >> the tea leaf readers are saying that the moment of t the
queen's speech might be a sign that she may not last even a few weeks. >> that is possible.e. it has already been delayed one week due to the election uncertainty. it will be important to see what the reaction is carried at the moment, the conservative party realizes in the short term it is rather unpopular. new elections are not something the conservative party wants to the party has the incentive to try to back theresa may in the short term. i do not imagine it all falling apart straight away. britain is in for a period of instability. >> malte lehming, one of moments -- he intentionally swerved away from etnald trump to gre angela merkel first. tandon hasand german
been viewed of the motor of european movement but the speed has been pretty slow in recent years. do you think we will see that change? >> yes. everything depends on the outcome of the election in germany but if it goes -- it is schulz or angela merkel. that will not make a difference inin france. i think the outcome of the election is god for europe and the german-french schulz or anga tandem. there might even be a kind of european investment program which she cannot put on the topic before the election but it will come out after the election. i think it is a very great decision. , with a stable parliamentary majority, a leader who has ideas of what to do with the country. the country is not in very great shape. there is 10% unemployment.
there is a a lot to do. outcomethis is the best . >> i want to come back to all of those things in just a moment. let us take a look at these leaders. so very, very different. emmanuel macron wants to make europe great again where is theresa may wants to take her country out. that is just one place where they diverge. let's take a look. got 66% of macron the vote in the presidential election. the parliamentary election could give him the greatest share of power and joined a french president since charles de gaulle. theresa may is teetering on the edge after the debacle of the election. even some in her party want her to step down. he has the support of the eu and can match donald trump's
handshake dominus game and he has shown vladimir putin that his palace is bigger. she has had to run to buckingham palace to get approval for her minority government and will soon be out of the eu so she needs support from donald trump. with his young political movement he represents a revolution within france's structure. while she is increasingly seen as a symbol of the rigid british establishment. ," and britainrche at a dead-end? >> so we saw those wonderfully colorful pictures when it came to france. as you pointed out, the color is overwhelmingly one single one. there is a single party hegemony. i would like to explore a bit more about what that means. in fact, although emmanuel
macron got a strong return, turnout was low. fewer than half of french eligible voters actually went to the polls. does that undermine emmanuel macron's mandate? >> it is also in contrast with what is happening in britain where the younger generation has been massively going to vote. in france, that is not the case. macron is legitimate in the votes but half of the population who have given up on turning out to vote -- that shows that he is in thepopular as we see national assembly. >> some skeptics are already saying that the single party hegemony could be a risk for democracy. is that just sour grapes? or is there something to that?
>> i do not think there is any risk for french democracy. you will have a clear result of the election. this is the nature of democracy. if one party has the majority, that is the nature of the outcome of the election. why should democracy be in danger if you have a strong leader with a parliamentary majority? i cannot see that. >> emmanuelle chaze, i detect a skeptical look? >> definitely. if you look at the polls, what is indicated is that we will have an assembly which is definitely leaning right. his party is supposed to be a centrist party but it is a right-wing party. during thecored 22% first round. that means we are going to have a chunk of the national assembly which will represent the interests of a few, to the
detriment of the interests of people who need it the most and -- that is atly the fault of the socialist party who could not find common ground . in effect, the socialist party had a lot of voters but they neutralize each other. so, in regard to democracy, i do not think it i is representative of the french population. >> no parliament on earth is --resenting the results of that is what the french parliament does. >> what happens to those other parties? do the left parties rejuvenate andselves and work together fight back when it comes to local and regional elections? and france becomes more of a multiparty democracy. or, to what extent does macron
-- is he actually successful in cementing his position? >> let me just ask what you like.success would look i know you do a lot of work in brussels. what will the eu be looking for? issue --ntral >> france -- >> exactly. the euroropean union wants france's economy to be reformed, to try to reduce their debt and reduce the public deficit and try to reduce unemployment. those are the things that they would like to see. is going tohave come at what price? labor force is made more flexible, that may reduce unemployment but it also major i've up inequality in french society.
what a kronos saying is generally supported and understood and appreciated in brussels so the european union is keen on that. what macron has been saying ,bout the eu and the eurozone he has some support for those positions in brussels as well. appeal is his supportive. >> staying with reforms, do you can deliver? there are powerful interests in your country. reform right now is that labor legislative reform that he wants to pursue. he would rule by decree. he will deliver, but at the detriment of what? what will people do? he wants to favor companies and tiller them -- and to lure thewm
m, but at what cost? >> turning to britain but perhaps with a genenal point that affects both countries. you said you think that right-wing populism is on the way. if you look at the situation in france were many voters did not -- ukip being the party that want to brexit, those voters seem to have scattered all over the place, one of the reasons the british result was so unpredictable. couldn't the right wing come back? we see massive disaffection and mistrust and we look at polls of voters and those who did not vote. isn't that a potential for right-wing populism to rear its head again? >> there is a potential. if you look at the numbers, if andlook at the netherlands
germany. you are ready mentioned ukip. we spoke a couple of months before about the danger of marine le pen winning the presidency or going out of europe and the brexit seemed to be the wish of the british people. now, we have the next election. it is not so clear anymore what they wish for. what happened and it should not be underestimated is right-wing of -- it mightbe a people as long as it is in the opposition. with donald trump, you have the real existing right-wing populism and that shocked a lot of europeans in great britain, france, and germany. you can clearly see what happens if a populist gains power. a lot of these reactions and germany are rear reaction to what is happening in the united states.
>> briefly staying with the domestic political situation in the u.k., a crucial point in british history, britain has the most fragile government in recent memory and we are seeing theresa may looking to govern with one of the most extreme parties in the british political landscape, namely the unionist party from northern ireland. what are the implications of that for domestic politics? the issue with the conservatives governing with the du be has major impacts. first, what are some of the policies on the ethical issues? suddenly -- very solidly against abortions and lgbt i writes. -- lgbti rights.
there are worries that the conservative party will move on social policy issues in order to manage, to appease the party. the second concern is what happens to the process in northern ireland? is the peace process in danger of being destabilized? jon major, the former prime minister, has spoken out against the conservatives moving into an alliance with the dup. even with their support, theresa may -- it makes her life very difficult to get anything done, even in the normal everyday issues of british politics lik s social security. trying to get anything through parliament is going to be difficult but it is some of those sorts of traditional political issues where they will have fewer difficulties. i perceive that headaches are going to be on issues to do with the ethical issues and politics
a particularly there is a question mark about the stability of northern ireland. >> i definitely want to get us on to brexit but the labour party is said to be lining up its ducks but if you really look at this, is this victory such a shining thing? >> definitely not. there are multiple contradictions within the labor party victory. the labor party managed to succeed in the election, almost without talking about brexit because the party is so divided on that topic. it stuck to the core issues about the role of the state and ending austerity. jeremy corbyn is also a good campaigner. campaign.ed a good it was the highest percentage since 2001, something that nobody expected and he mobilized young people so but they're in mind that that determination and
unity that he managed to achieve in the labour party could and very very quickly so don't -- don't be fooled that all is fine on the labour party side either. it could get very very difficult for them to soon, as well. >> let's turn to brexit. beginning with what theresa may and the mineral macron had to say about it -- emmanuel macron had to say about it. >> i think there is a unity of purpose among people in the united kingdom. of purpose having voted to leave thehe eu that thr government gets on with that and makes a success of it. door is still open as long as brexit negotiations have not been concluded that a sovereign decision to leave has been made by the british people and i respect the e decisisions made. , we hurtelle chaze macron say that the door is still open. how open do you think that the
eu can and should make concessions to britain in hopes that perhaps brexit could still be rolled back? >> statistically the best thing to do right now is wait and see. mais government may not -- may's government may not last that longer. for a newcalled consultation in the same talkie was giving to the bbc where he was saying he was worried about the agreements. he also stated that the british people should be consulted in and out of parliament regarding brexit. i think that macron has the right attitude by saying that open.or is we are waiting to see what happens in britain. >> malte lehming, does the british election result mean a softer brexit or possibly even know brexit? >> it is always hard to tell the difference.
the free exchange of goods and people and all of these things to be a member of the market are not -- there is no compromise. >> maybe we should really define it for our viewers who aren't as acquainted. ahead. >> if you are member of the eu, the liberty of the goods, people -- >> free movement of trade -- >> and services, right. either you are in or out. there might be compromises and world master in finding compromises and problems that seem not to be solvable. there might be compromises if the process allows two or three years and everybody gets tired after that. you need an outcome saying that for the brits, we had a kind of brexit but in a way we would
still be a member of the club but not with every right and the jurisdiction of the -- and then brussels -- in a way, they are still in but not in every case. this is a point we could spend the entire program on but we only have a few minutes left. here is my question. theresa may said in that sand by there is a unity of purpose but is she going to find unity of purpose even with the unionists, her new partners? want a seamless and frictionless border between post brexit britain and irelalad which will remain in theu. that is a complete contradiction and not a hard brexit. >> absolutely. there is aat th unity of purpose is not true. theresa may has been repeating that line before the election and she is now saying it
afterward when the results indicate that britain is even more confused. she is using that line to decrease opposition to her own points of view of her conservative party. the issue with the dup is difficult to solve. i understand the point of view that they do not want complications on the border but to do so would mean that the u.k. would need a relationship with the eu. i.i.e. within the single market, some kind of soft brexit arrangement. if the dup gets that t the conservative party has a problem with its members of parliament that are part of the european research group, the brexit hardliners. other side, they are facing the dup and the scottish conservatives. in the endomes down to the question of immigration, doesn't it? hardliners are worried that if they agree to a soft brexit they wind up getting free movement of people from the rest of the eu.
>> even that is complicated in the sense that some of those people favor closer relationships with britain's former colony and they would like later immigration from those countries and less from the european union so even those people that want to be out altogether do not have a coherent point of view and there are people -- theresa may also says that a should be trading free with the world. emmanuel macron said the rest of the eu is waiting for a sensible coherent proposal from the u.k., what does the u.k. want? we don't know. the clock is running. >> it has already run down. two years maximum time. i know that you would like to become an eu citizen. is that because you think we are not going to see a goat agreement and that amount of time? >> i think there is a danger we will not get it could agreement. there is a danger that
negotiations will break down. ? wedo we want citizenship want to secure our future is. this is our home. we want to stay as a result. that is why there is an increase in the british people applying for german citizenship and i will apply on the first day that i'm entitled to do so. >> let me ask all of you to come back to our title, victory for europe: looking at these two elections. i would like to take it a different election -- different direction. we have german elections coming up. happenuld need to following that german election and this is something that martin linning -- malte lehming touchdown. what would have to happen in terms of german, french, and german-french-british cooperation to make europe great again? >> [laughter] 20 seconds. we're heading towards a period
of political turmoil but hopefully the younger generation will have a say in that. that is important for europe, to listen to his children. , i would say three things. structural reform, more majority decisions on brussels level. we need to get the refugee crisis solved. more refugees are coming from africa and so on. in the last thing is investment. germany cannot say that before the election but we clearly need investments in europe. >> the european union in 2017 is in a better place then 2016. the british have succeeded in doing all kinds of other things but not succeeded in europe fine the european -- unifying the european union and we have seen support for the eu in plenty of country so we should be optimistic. >> thanks for tuning in.
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