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welcome to quadriga the european union is heading into a decisive week as its parliament prepares to vote on the most important posts in brussels. breaking with decades of male dominance heads of key e. u. member states of nominated to women for top positions with current german defenense ministr also the fund a lion as president of the commission. and i am f. chief christine lagarde as future president of the european central bank but critics say those choices reflect back room power politic. and they're threatening too torpededo t t nominatioions wite e. u. facing pressing challenges
strong leadership is more important than ever. will it emerge from the process with democratic deficits. he you top jobs high going instead of inspiration that's our topic and here are our guests it's a pleasure to welcome a menu as shots. she is a freelance journalist originally from france who works with us here at deutsche avella as well as for french print and broadcast media. she says the scramble for the e. u.'s top jobs further highlights discrepancies between the member states and damages the union. we learned niche works for and as an allen this analyst for the german council on foreign relations he says. the visitor broad group of eastern european countries has maneuvered itself into a corner. their lack of representation in top you jobs is a significant problem for e. u. cohesion it will come back to haunt the region. and it's a pleasure to welcome tom not told he is the berlin correspondent for the british
weekly the economist. he thinks it was an old fashioned franco german backroom stitch up with all the top jobs going to old europe. but it also highlighted a subtle shift in power away from uncle americal and toward the menu as michael. so tom let's start without backroom stitch up as you call it actually there were official candidates for these positions there were rallies there were election posters there were tv debates. ursula fund a lion who is now nominated for the presidency of the commission was not in any of those so what's going on here. isn't it i mean s. live on the line has been on a charm offensive in the european parliament recently. trying to convinince one of the political groupings that that they ought to vote for her to confirm her. the positioion of the european commission of course that grilling her on all sorts of things from climate change to the fence. to economic policy and she has
to invent a program almost ought to finesse because as you say she was not. a name candidate before the election what happened was there is this idea recycled spitz and conduct need candidates. each of those political groupings proposed a candidate for the president of the commission before the elections the idea being that voters would have an idea of who they wanted to see is present to the european commission. the problem is it is the leaders the heads of government in the european union who nominates the president of the commission i'm not very many of them like the idea of handing power to the european parliament in that way. and so when they met the name that nominee a couple of weeks ago. at the various candidates that have been proposed as part of this system one by one were rejected and they ended up with as i say this franco german stitch up. and us live on the line currently the defense minister here in germany proposed as president of the commission. thank you very much that was a very concise explanation milan of is certainly geographic blocks were a big part of this back room power -- deal eastern
european leaders did all they could to torpedo one of the lead candidates why. visible on michigan a group comprising poland hungary czeze repupublic slovakia is not t thd eastern europe or new member states. but they are the ones that out the dead that organize themselves. and they didn't like propose candidates who was she could think on that out of the social is group from three months because they told he's too divisive. now the position of the visegrad group was shaped. especially by poland and hungary which are the two countries that are under the art so called article. seven of sanctioion procedure fr breaching rule of law and basic values of the e. u.. in the outgoing european commission fenced in a month as a first vice president was in charge of these procedures the very strict and handed out for the spd it was the one who had made trouble for the csrc so. in the first reading this was a pay back time.
at the same time i think there wawas a deeper political message behind this. these. two countries poland hungary and they're of nationalist because of the government. one to one thing from brussels first to be left alone or they are pushing a different version of the u.. than the is some. proposed by many mainstream parties at the level of these these political groupings and that is namely the europe of the nations so nation states should be a building blocks. and european institutions including the next commission should leaveve us alone to do or own thing therefore from three months. also if you look at their interest was. too much to follow and i think also he was too divisive candidate in east west relations also for the other eastern european countries and just explain to me very briefly because your opening statement said that the visegrad group had maneuvered -- themselves into a corner but in fact haven't they demonstrated how much power they
can wield. in the first. round daily where. proudly boasting that they blocked for three months i think it was more complicated. in fact they took the blame on the claim. the this this this blocking power but in fact from three months. was shut down also add the main political groupings european people's party. buy a belly on other prime ministers including prime minister of ireland -- and others who couldn't swallow a proposed the deal by under the medical german concert is just a saying that we should give the position to second largest part of the second largest public ripping. us to socialist and they weree saying this is this is the biggest prize in brussels it should go to us as the party that won the elections. and then the visigoth group the eastern european leaders. look for their own domestic audience he said -- we also against it it was clear there was no majority or that they had the blocking. of power together with italy so it was much more complicated just them but they will be
blamed this will be remembered and i think it's not clear what they got in return. in the second. so no one understands better emmanuel why you call this a scrambled. you said in your opening statement it will damage the union why well it's a very damaging because it because if you look at the people actually. voted for parties with lucky saves. people on posters were other ties to them like we are the candidates and like -- i am for example month by the bay back was as setting himself up this fits in canada for the edp group so not european people's party conservative party actually so logically at he should have been nominated as the member of the group which has -- gotten the most votes in those elections he should have been nominated and know what happened is back door- politics where leaders decided between themselves -- who they wanted all the notes wanted us to us -- european commission of a president and that is not the
will of the people so there is a huge disk discrepancy. duet between what was advertised on paper what people voted for i mean does a quite enough interest to go boating. at end of what is happening right now which is the same old fashioned of politics between leaders and mostly between french france and germany we have to say -- that it's actually the same politics that people don't believe in anymore. time does the fact that the deal was -- put together by heads of state member countries show us that in the end the commission and the parliament are essentially paper tigers. i would.. i would go that far -- in fact i think you can look at it another way i'm i think one reason why this matters so much to had to status because the european commission in such respect is a rather powerful bloody. european parliaments is accrued more more powers have a since it became an independent elected body in nineteen seventy nine that said -- it isis clear thata lot of the leaders want to keep the commission on a fairly tight
leash one of the things that emerged hasn't been discussed so much -- since this big summit a couple of weeks ago -- is it not only was on the line herself a chosen by the leaders but as part of the overall package or something we can go on to discuss -- not only what are the top jobs discussed but some of the second tier jobs we discussed in in particular vice presidents of the european commission the leaders decided among themselves. a couple of names including funds to moments we discussing before will be vice president said the commission that's the that is as a joke that is a decision that is supposed to be in the gift of the president to choose our own vice president. the fact that the heads of government which isn't in cells tells you quite a lot about how important it is for them to retain control of the process. so given the democratic deficits that you've all identified -- would you if you were a member of the european parliament to next tuesday when the vote comes up would you vote. ursula fund allied in or out would you essentially punish the
the leaders for doing this backroom deal yes or no vote in or out. dylan. would vote yes because i don't believe in physically that process in the first place i think it is essentially a powered by a backroom deal just in the difference as usual in european parliament. catalog with emmanuel -- i would i would vote yes --- simply because what is the plan b. west iota candidates and how do we re negotiate and like this job or do we have to re open the whole package the whole package has already been decided so. in order to exit the deadlock i would but yes tom. i'm sorry to be born but i would vote yes as well and for the reasons that both milan and manual gave i also don't agree with the space and conduct the system will do i wouldn't vote yes. to stick it to them i think the sort of on the line is is certainly better candidate the mountain faber would have been - but it is also true that if there if if she's to be rejected in european parliament t that would create an unprecedented constitutional crisis within the e. u. between its institutions
that i think everybody wants that. so next tuesday will know whether your opinions were reflective of the way that meps thank let us now take a closer look at ursula fun day ally and and christine lagarde. assuming the parliament does approve them the e. u.'s top posts will include more women than ever before. i she enters the race to become the president of the european commission ursula from the lion is under political fire. the german minister of defence leaves behind an army that's on a per state. the qualified medical doctors image as a feisty reformer has taken a knock. but our supporters point out that the mother of seven is a staunch european. is known brussels since her childhood as a good network and is fluent in french and english as well as german. christine lagarde is the grand dame of french politics. the sixty three year old
economist has run the international monetary fund for eight years. monitor rising it without causing a fuss but also not shying away from criticizing uss president donald trump first trade policies. the card is considered a supporter of redistribution within the eurozone at the expense of richer states other opponents of tough austerity policies. well womenen's power drive euroe forward. milan slow for the line has been in brussels last few days courting europe the members of the european parliament how do you do. i love the muscles are the low but i think she is doing a stone suggested she is building a very fosse she has the teamre behind her she needs to be a consensus. two to be confirmed next week. interestingly enough she does have the backing of some of those eastern european leaders we've been talking about us and
also of the populist a leader i. italy what does that tell us. she's. more known and more positively known -- politician in central eastern europe than. many others as a minister of defense she tried to forge a common line between the one nat- and basically i think. positional germany in central eastern europe is more. balance than it was before i mean they are rather accept a german of manyy of these leaders would rather accept german conservative candidate. at the top job at european commission then a socialist the dutch person because there was. a perception that. even ten years fifteen years after of four fifteen years after r the lodgement some countries regardless of they do at home are treated as a second class of or s.. barely admitted and accepted. and on many divisive issues and
there are many in the u. they want their opinion to be. included into the policy making and they fit therere is a feelig not only on behalf of these controversial government in poland hungary that have problem with with a floor. by the by others that russia fly then. we'll include their view at their views and interests and preferences more than for instance france in a month. tom the event you said in your opening statement that. that -- there is a discrepancy between different countries -- that's reflected in the steel interestingly enough i report reflected a discrepancy in the way that a fund a lion is perceived here in germany as opposed. to a a broad so maybe u can say a word about why that is and what your take on her qualifications. is whether you think she would be a good candidate to lead the commission said there's an irony in that when the european council the the the collection of heads of state and government voted. on this the one leader who didn't vote in support of s.
love on the line with angela merkel she abstains and there's a reason for that which is that- coalition partner the spd the social democrats -- that reject the idea of on the line as commission president in in germany when the coalition parties disagree then in european discussions the relative admin relevant minister or in this case also has two of staying -- the expedia taking a very very tough line on this. i mean of course are the s. live on the line comes from a different party they also consider that -- they if they are upset that the spit some candid often system was -- jettisoned in this instance but i think there's more to it than that this is about german domestic coalition politics this is an extremely or could coupling now between the cd you in the spd the spd's who a current leader -- very very unpopular in the polls they need to take every opportunity that they have to show that they can stand against a cd you to demonstrate to that supports is that they still have an independent spirit and i think that is what this is about so
leaving that domestic. tiff aside what do you think about fund ally which should be a good president for the commission i i think the jury is out -- in some respects i think she will be good she has a good network. she is well respected across europe as well as in america -- she has strong experience in some of the areas that are going to count -- for the in the next five years most of the city defense you've been defense minister in germany y sometime. i think there are plenty of reasons to worry. she does she unlike almost every previous commission president she's not been had a stage work of government of course -- she doesn't have any particular experience in economic policy and that could be a big issue for the next commission president. and what she used to be considered as a possible successor to angela merkel some years ago. that notion who disappearared nw and i t think it's largely becae us live on the line was not able to build a support base for herself inside the christian democratic union. and when you're president of the european commission where your
constrained by different opinions by different governmental the time it's very important to be able to build allianceces. and i think the question of whether she is able to do that remains very open. emmanuel. while or so the fund a line has been generating some mixed reviews there's been a lot of positive buzz around the nomination of christine. lagarde would you say that this represents the deal that was done -- does this represent a shift in the balance of power away from germany and toward france -- i think -- boasts women can definitely bring in the game changing apppproach of too total brussels. earned is it really a dividend advantage -- friends now like okay and america the stains from voting but she actually nominated or set up on the lion in how government since two thousand and a five this is one of her closest allies. i'm gonna america ease like -- on her last monday does the german chancellor and with the has issues he's currently
expeperiencing we don't know how much longer she will be around and she just placed probablyy hw close us ally us president of the e. u. commission. so am i your background in a once a month but babbitt and he got his way with the nomination of also up on the lion but i don't think france is taking any advantage on the germans they would also be. the first time since the sixties that germany would have -- european commission president so i think it's a winning situation for both of those countries and perhaps detrimental to any other country in europe. let me -- briefly ask you time to comment on where you think christine lagarde might take european monetary policy and where are you whether you see a shift. of direction they're away from german austerity and toward more burden sharing between the rich north and the indebted southern european countries that's certainly something that francis past. pushed for in the past -- we likely to see look are go in that direction we don't note she is not an economist she has no experience in the central bank
which is why for some people this was. a sudden unexpected nomination - passing on usual -- one what we do know is that she has been largely supportive of the valley accommodative monetary policy issued by the current ecb president mario draghi -- i think the question is going to be to what extent she is able to use the bully pulpit of this jo. to be able to encourage countries particularly germany to be a little bit more i did it last fiscally restrictive now of course it's not up to the president of the european central bank to determine how government spend that money. but mario draghi regularly beat the drum for countries that had what he called physical space like germany which has a big surplus. to spend more -- christina god i think from what we can tell during her time at the helm of the i mf is largely going to be supportive of that she moved the imf away from -- it's a it's previous position on on fiscal policy so i think we've probably see continuity that the question is how.
successful will she be in deploying how political abilities rather than have economical technical ones. to be able to convince those governments to do more. i think there might be an interesting agenda. on her behalf and that is contributing to building up a resume -- as in. in in the usual way. and building up your role as a currency strengthening that. if that takes place within the x. five years which is. a monday that thing then it would also create more differentiation within. forces eastern europe -- between the rows of member states mostly small. countries the baltics slovakia slovenia and the rest of eastern europe which is less integrated economically and if and when the law and financially with you. this is where i think french president michael wants to move that you. enter only was that if they think. so that they are i am not true with the eastern europeans by. celebrating this. package of them whether they know what they what they will
get. in there. go ahead i'm gonna stop you right there because i want to bring in a very brief report to look at the pressing challenges that in fact europe is facing it's very clear that we need strong leadership in europe as the e. u. moves forward. to to deal with challenges that actually demand multilateral solutions. the first test will be brexit. britain is currently set to leave the european union at thte enend of october. the neww prime minister whether boris johnson journey h hunts wl calm brussels to renegotiate. the question is how britain and the other twenty seven states of the e. you come to terms both socially and economically after brexit. the trade disputes with the u. s. and china. it's's very possible that us president donald trump will carry out his threats to impose tariffs on european goods. this would do considerable damage to the economy.
migration from africa and the middle east. even though there's a common e. you asylum system it's only in certain eastern european states refuse to take an asylum seeker. the european union is threatened from within by the rise of right wing populism in many member states. is the e. prepared for so many challenges. okay briefly one word answer what do you each see as the biggest challenge facing the issue the money went migration definitely. thanks. and the question of european sovereignty and how it's maintained in an increasingly antagonistic relationship between the us and china. for me it's u. unity and cohesion how with the help that you system will be able to work on that this very fragmented -- political arrangements the birth okay so that -- one takes us
that to some degree toward the brexit question -- and the question again of many a guide countries -- and right wing populist looking toward more nation state power rather than less what do you think could a north of the fund a lion perhaps supported by a christine lagarde a central bank governor. face that challenge of of rising nationalism and of push back against multilateralism. well the challenge comes from outside externally from the u. - and internally there is of a less. capacity to agree on some issues in the foreign policy l like sanctitions on chihina because chinese are very active. in friendly. and they are buying countries that with with invested grease is one example that they are trying to leave as they walked or hungry for that matter. and in germany proposed an idea of shift. in the the foreign policy
mechanism to a qualified majority vote which is a no go for many countries i think this is a big challenge for the new high representative for foreign policy -- up at the spanish foreign minister -- shows up well. armed in. the the basic problem is that the u. system was built. to pacify you problems and challenges internally rather than to represent europe and the externally on the on the on the global. on thehe global level and this s where the challenges will come. in many ways you mentioned migration there has been a lot of push back exactly from the eastern european countries on that would you say that and or slow fun dandelion. can bring a multilateral workable solution forward. she doesn't it she definitely has the stature. to to to to lead that fight is actually a fight where we witnessing we cannot close borders where there are no borders their geographical -- places where migrants are actually dying at
sea those migrants actually human beings there are still thinking we have to fifind a solution europe wasn't built on the values of closing doors to people in distress and she has to address that. i think just a means to do so. and tom finally yeah -- that tech cold war us versus china. can these women and the others who've been nominated kind they really insure a place for europe at the table the s so called younger the current president of the european commission. actually attend that handle donald trump well the well and the european commission has an awful lot of clout when it comes to trade it is legally mandated to negotiate on behalf of them stayed. i think it's very much an open question whether one the line would be the same thing it's possible that had pastas german defensnse minister might come to hold take it is nothing that donald trump likes better. than bashing german defense policy thank you very much to all of you for being with us and thanks to you out there. for being with us as well we do go into our summer break now but we look forward to seeing you back here with country get when we start up again.