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♪ ce with me, l go ♪ ♪ come with me, let's go ♪ ♪ cruise like a norwegian ♪ due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. america's prisons, dangerous, often deadly. there are 2 million people doing time. every day is a battle to survive and to maintain order. >> down on your feet. down. >> located in the deep south, holman correctional facility, where most are serving life sentences. we spent months documenting life on the inside, where the prisoners have nothing but time and nothing to lose. this is "lockup: holman, extended stay."
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it requires a unique set of skills to run a violent prison like holman. >> all the way to this side. >> warden grantt culliver embodies them. he's authoritative. >> you know that. >> dynamic and tough. >> you are not going to win an academy award. >> he shows compassion for the inmates he oversees, many of whom will never get out. but when violence explodes at holman, his zero tolerance policy is in full effect. >> lock down. we are under a lockdown. administrative segregation
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is home to roughly 200 inmates. confined to their cells 23 hours a day. these men often become defiant and desperate. when an inmate acts up in general population, he's moved to ad-seg. but when he acts up in ad-seg, the officers' only option is to periodically move the inmate from cell to cell. >> we're going to move him out. he's already hostile. we'll just use caution with him, okay? >> put your hands behind you. cuff up. >> stick your hands out. >> shower stall right now. >> jammy bell is temporarily
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housed in the shower stall until his new cell is cleaned and inspected. >> all that nasty -- somebody stop harassing me. our crew first met jammy bell a month earlier when he was outraged overunsanitary conditions in his cell. >> i can't breathe in here. my toilet is filled up with feces. >> today, he's moving to a new cell after an inmate threw urine and feces through the ventilation. >> do what you're supposed to do. let me see your hands. >> the department has a rule about profane language. you go up to him and you say, joe, i need to you quit banging
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on that door. i'm trying to talk to you. i'm trying to talk to you. you think he understands that? it don't click. if you would shut -- up, nobody would be so pissed off with your ass. in this damn unit. you're acting like a damn child. [ bleep ] everybody is tired of your ass here. >> i'm tired of your ass. >> if i can get to your language, if i can get to what you understand day-to-day, then that's what we use.
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when all else fails, we take it up a notch further. >> put your hands out there. [ bleep ]. >> you are going out. >> [ bleep ] i'm not going to put my hands out. >> i'm not going to let one individual disrupt a thousand. there are forces needed to remove you from one area to the other, so be it. >> are you going to cuff up? >> [ inaudible ]. >> that's good. well, he refused to cuff up and come out. we're going to move him out because he caused a disturbance, move him out and let him get some fresh air and calm down. i gave the officer an order to spray him. after a short order of time, he'll be ready to come out and get the spray off him.
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it may take longer than normal today. he's pretty agitated. >> you sprayed me for no reason. >> let's go ahead and move him. if he continues to get louder, i'll call the warden and probably do a cell extraction, get him out here. the unit gets calm again. everybody is in an uproar at the moment. he's getting loud enough. i think i'm going to have to make the call. >> after more than an hour of continuous yelling, the sergeant is left with no choice but to inform the warden. >> we sprayed jammy bell. he's still refusing to cuff up and come out. he's pretty loud and getting louder, it seems like. go ahead and go in and get him? that's what i was hoping but i wanted to make sure you was good. thank you. all right, fellas, we're going
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to do a cell extraction. >> i'll give you one more chance to cuff up and come out, jammy. >> listen to me one time. put the handcuffs on. come out the cell. all right. >> i'm mad because you-all doing your jobs incorrectly, man. >> anyone of them. >> get him out there and get everybody else in, he calms down, we'll bring him back. if he gets incompliant, we'll bring him back. if we have to, we'll do whatever it takes. >> they allow it. >> somebody told me you were going to do an audition for "american idol." y'all got that together? >> we're going to get it together. >> when i came in five years ago, one of the things was to try and change the culture of this facility from a no-care type of an attitude to let people know that we did care.
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you are locked up but then you should consider this as home, because the majority of you, that's what it is. >> let me step back in the barber shop. get your shirt on. >> i don't like sloppiness. i just think you can do better. if you can't do any better, it's one thing. but if you can do better, you need to take care of yourself. get your clothes together, guys. get your clothes together. get your clothes together. >> warden culliver is a sign of change. since he's been here, he's implemented several good programs. >> the facility used to be open. you used to go and come as you please. so we implemented a few things. you're not allowed to go into anybody else's housing unit, we went to an arm band to help identify where you should be assigned to. >> it serves as an
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identification as far as my living quarters. every dorm here has a band and the band indicates what color the door that you walk in. it's a controlled environment, a structured environment. >> people feel a lot more comfortable now. you don't have guys that sleep with their knifes as much now. but i attribute that to staff. attribute that to some of the control factors that have been put in. i attribute it to the overall culture of the facility changing. >> once a week warden culliver watched the tiers of ad-seg, acting as a sounding board for these men locked up 23 hours a day. think you like lockup. you don't like lockup? why you keep coming back? if that guy steps on your toes a little bit, that's not what my intent is, but i need to give it to you straight. -- your mouth! you're going to have to learn how to control that. if you're ever going to make it. we deal with people. that's what we do. it takes a hell of a person to deal with people that no other citizens want to be bothered
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with, to be able to walk among these people day in and day out, give instructions, tell them what to do, manage them without creating problems. next on "lockup: extended stay" -- >> move it. lock him up. >> violence erupts in holman. and for warden culliver, that means no holds barred. >> i want the whole housing unit locked down. we are under a lockdown. hi, could you read my list?
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just as the crew is wrapping up for the day, the violent side of holman erupts. >> move it. lock him up. move him. move him. >> i got a knife.
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>> don't step on the blood. >> get my hall crew up. there's a mop and pail. start the cleanup process. after we were getting him in from the other prison, over in the receiving area, they were in front of unloading the laundry, heard him screaming and looked up and he was bleeding. grabbed him, pushed him out of the way. where he had him cornered up at, he could have probably killed him if he wanted to. looked like he may have got an artery. he was gushing out pretty good. >> he had possession of a weapon. we documented that and
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processing it as we speak. >> should have a handle on it. it's been on a grinder. >> i don't want to touch it with the blood. >> i didn't see him pick it up. it's a good chance it was dropped off there by the metal fab near where we were taking the laundry. he could have picked it up laying in the grass or something. this isn't the first time. >> by the time we got there, just blood everywhere. >> come on. go back. >> come on. all right. i want the whole housing unit locked down. we are under a lockdown. >> all right, lockdown, gentlemen. take it in. let's go. >> just a lot of [ bleep ]. worry about you-all.
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don't worry about nothing. >> the guy that got hit was over in laundry. and he handed a barrel to terry. when he handed it to him, i heard [ bleep ]. >> that was the handle? >> yep. still got a burn mark on it. it just got bladed out of the metal fab. somebody laid it out. >> just on the barrel. >> all he had to do was open the barrel and find a wet rag inside. >> we have a motive. >> tennis shoes. they tried to sell it back to him. >> we're going to lockdown.
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i'm irritated with the stabs. we're having too many. we're having four stabbings a year. it's july, we've already had four stabbings. and we seem to be increasing. for whatever reason. we shouldn't be increasing. we're just trying to check. we'll go back in and check, see what we can find out information wise. >> why does the whole prison have to be on lockdown? >> because that's what i want, and that's what i feel like is best right now. they got to understand i'm not going to tolerate it. another day in the penitentiary. >> less than 24 hours after the stabbing, the warden has regrouped, taken the prison off lockdown and is back in control. >> we get these out of here. we had the hall looking great last night. let's try to keep it that way.
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we learned a few things last night. which is always good. try to make the best out of it. if you have an incident, at least make the best of it, try to learn what you can out of it. we reorganized the laundry, the way we bring our laundry in. the piece of metal, for things coming off a grinder. i feel that took place in the metal fab. we may have a couple who are producing weapons. we'll try to pull those guys out. it was actually about shoes being stolen. he said he paid the guy three bags of coffee and the guy stole the three bags of coffee plus didn't bring his shoes back, so that's why he stabbed him. >> he had about three stab wounds. the one in his side was serious. the doctor told him they just missed getting his liver, which would have been, could have been, terminal. but after we got him back in from the hospital, he went on to ad-seg, and, of course, terry is in ad-seg. they both will go through disciplinary process. moore is probably going to get
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assault with a weapon. he's looking at probably quite a long time in the segregation unit. next on "lockup: extended stay" -- >> it's not my first time, it probably won't be the last time. >> stabber terry moore operates by a different set of rules. >> it's what had to be done. and later -- the warden shows a softer side. atoes guy? pour chunky sirloin burger soup over those mashed potatoes and dinner is served. four minutes, around four bucks. campbell's chunky -- it's amazing what soup can do. she's a black friday living legend. she even named her kid "black friday." [ woman 2 ] whoa. [ male announcer ] black friday's here. deals start thursday 10 pm. but we're open all day and night so you don't have to wait outside. the only place to go on black friday. walmart.
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somebody let me sit down. i don't care who lets me sit down. >> holman is changing and the faith-based honor dorm reflects
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that transformation. this nondenominational self-governing dorm provides opportunities for inmates to achieve personal growth. >> men can come into that environment, be nurtured in their spiritual needs, i guess is one way to put it. they have an opportunity to be productive, have a sense of purpose in life. >> good morning. how are you doing? >> living area, without a doubt, is much better than general population is. there are more tvs, there are more opportunities, you have computers, but everything is more structured, which means that there's a point systems, so if you mess up, you get points taken away, you have to keep a point level in order to be able to stay in the dorm. if there is any disciplinary action, you get moved out of the dorm. >> this is sort of like the home away from home. hopefully, this is temporary.
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very temporary. >> michael jordan was sentenced to life without parole from charges ranging from rape to burglary. he has called prison home for the past 24 years. >> after the honor dorm was developed, i was reluctant. this was a concept completely new to all of us. i put in an application, got involved before i started doing janitorial work or whatever was needed of me originally. i went from there to taking on a leadership role, currently teaching classes. >> each inmate in honor dorm has a job. ray everdige is serving life for theft. his job is dorm security. >> my job consists of monitoring the dorm. i walk down each aisle and check for what they call uniformity. uniformity is where you check to make sure all the beds are properly clothed and make sure all their living area is in order. >> in general population, correctional officers can write
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up inmates for infractions. >> thank you. >> but here in the honor dorm, fellow inmates police the hallways. >> if you see anyone violating, you give them a warning, tell them to stop doing it. if you see a direct violation, it's your option to give them a direct write-up. if you get a write-up, you go before a panel. and if you lose so many points, you get removed from the dorm. >> i love construction work. i have a building here that i designed i hope to build upon my release. you get out here, all that tension seems to gradually dissipate. this is a blueprint of what i built. maybe do something positive with life for a change. it gives you a different perspective on the things that you've done in your life. >> still, the warden runs a tight ship, even in honor dorm, and has noticed a recent increase in marijuana use. in his monthly meeting with the representatives from the dorm,
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he tackles this issue head-on. >> you can't tell me that the people in the dorm don't know who's using the dope or if you're selling or pushing dope out here. you can't tell me that you don't know who is doing that. it hurts the overall image and process of the community when it comes up like that. >> we coordinate our own duty. today, we're heading into the faith dorm. there are some that have not made the grade, and i guess the one fellow we're going to talk to now is one who tested positive for marijuana trace elements. do you know why you're moving out? it's that reefer you smoked. >> i don't smoke no reefer. >> you were around it. some know how to beat the test. they don't have distinguishing traits between those who beat it and those who are around it. you are suffering the consequences. >> a single infraction is an automatic ticket back to the hectic atmosphere of general population. inmate laurence stall learned that lesson the hard way. >> there was a guy, he
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apparently thought i disrespected him somehow, and he asked me outside. as soon as we got out there, he swung on me. we got into a scuffle, nothing real big. that's what caused me to get thrown out of the honor dorm. thanksgiving a year ago this may. honor dorm material. >> honor dorm material. >> that's me. hopefully pretty soon, i'll go back. i'm on the top of the list now. >> without the possibility of parole, lawrence stall has nothing but time to reflect on the events that landed him in prison 26 years ago. >> it was a homicide/robbery that got me here. i had never done any pcp. i was high, not really even thinking about what happened. we go rob a place and then two people got killed. we picked them up, took them out to a wooded area and they were killed. it's not really something i like to talk about a lot. and i've come to accept prison,
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you know, as my lot in life. we got one coming in on that bed. >> with a bed freeing up, chaplain summers informs the man at the top of the list that it's his time to move back to honor dorm. >> the lost lamb. we're coming to get you, man. >> i feel good. >> glad to get out of here. >> you're coming back? >> i hope not. i'm ready. >> you got my name. >> i didn't realize i had that much tension on me. it was just like a weight that was lifted. >> for a guy serving life without parole, the honor dorm is as close to freedom as you'll ever get. >> where do we want to start? >> my bible. i have to give a shout out at my
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bible. step outside at nighttime, which is something i couldn't do for years. there's a lot of little perks i mean most people take for granted, little bitty things we think a lot of. just standing under the stars for a minute. this is really a job. coming up on "lockup: extended stay" -- we meet one of the most infamous and violent inmates in holman. smal l bu sinesses are the smal lifeblood of our communities. on november 26th you can make a huge impact by shopping small on small business saturday. one purchase. one purchase is all it takes. so, pick your favorite local business... and join the movement.
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here is what is happening. a small plane crashed into the mountain east of phoenix. authorities say there's little hope of finding survivors. and then protesters in egypt continue to call for the ousting of the military council. have a very happy thanksgiving. now back to "lockup."
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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. ♪ ♪ baby, every day i sit around while i play ♪ ♪ my harmonica thinking about you ♪ ♪ wishing i could hold you like i used to do ♪ hit it. ♪ that's it. holman's ad-seg unit has roughly 200 inmates, some of which are the most violent and dangerous.
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steven parker is one of the most notorious. >> i'm in maximum security. i'm stuck in a lockup cell. they may not ever let me out of lockup because i have a tendency, every time i get out, i try to kill somebody. i go completely calm. i make up my mind what i'm going to do. i go into these zones where i turn into this cold-blooded. i don't know what causes it, other than just being depressed and feeling like i have nothing else to lose and nothing else to live for. i grew up pretty rough. my mother left when i was real young. i lived with my stepmother and my dad. and my stepmother, she was really hateful. she was kind of mean and abusive. i just wanted to kill her, and i
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thought that would be what ended the pain and the problems that she caused. one morning, i woke up about 4:00 in the morning and drove to where they was living, my stepmother and my dad and rang the doorbell. and when she answered the doorbell, i shot her at point-blank rage. and then my dad -- my dad come around the corner on me and i shot him three times. i've always regretted shooting my dad because i felt like i was close to my dad. it almost killed me, you know? my stepsister called the police on me and i surrendered to the police that morning. i felt like i was at the end of my rope and i did what i did. >> our crew first met steven parker more than a year earlier during our shooting of the original "lockup: holman." he was in ad-seg back then and considered very dangerous. >> steven parker is crazy.
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he's not a person that's very intelligent. >> it wouldn't take much to incite a riot or whatever. you could take four officers hostage at the same time and it's going to domino. it's going to domino. they don't have control. it's just a delusion. >> he's quite an individual. here a few weeks ago, he called me up to his cell. he was having a real problem with his next door neighbor. in fact, he just told me, he said, if you don't lose me or my next door neighbor, i'm going to kill him. if steven was having -- if he was having these kind of thoughts or these kind of problems, the guy next door -- somebody needed to be moved. that's why we did it. again, steven's a big man and -- but i have to say in much a way, he's a big man in a little boy's -- with a little boy's mind in a lot of different ways. open l-38, please. >> once in prison, steven parker, whose friends call him
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the worm, became more violent. >> stay away from him. we don't want him to have fun with the cameras. >> he slit one inmate's jugular vein with a box cutter and nearly strangled another to death. >> this happened several times in prison, where i've stabbed and cut inmates and strangled inmates. >> worm! >> i just snap and i go crazy. i turn murderous and dangerous. i'm not nervous at all. it's like i'm in commando mode or something. and i'm very deadly with it, too. it was one night, about 10:00, a guy come in, tried to take my cigarettes from me. he came in and snatched them off the bed and he called me a bitch. i let that brew on me for a while. i thought about it all night. about 2:00 in the morning, i went and stabbed him 18 times. >> deputy warden patterson, along with the other senior
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staff members, make their weekly rounds in administrative segregation. >> this is a place of confinement for those men that need to be down here, be isolated from contact with the general population because their behavior, their disciplinary problems, or the fact they just think they can't live in living. >> they review each status to determine who is ready to return to general population. >> what would it take to release a transfer? >> what would it take for you to get a transfer? if you go anywhere, it will be maximum assignment. okay? we just completed our weekly segregation review board and now we would go into our deliberations about the status of the men being incarcerated down there. steven parker. he needs to stay where he is. he is a dangerous man.
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we did recently find a weapon in his cell. he will do good and he will tell you he will do good and his behavior is good right now, but not so long ago, he came out and assaulted an officer. he's a big man, he's hard to control, he's a dangerous man and he is appropriately assigned in that segregation cell at this point. >> he is dangerous. as far as my vote, i don't think he'd ever need to be in a population setting. >> segregation is a place of confinement for men who you must separate from the general population. and steven parker is one of those guys who must be separated. we must keep him controlled at all times. >> i guess i'm going to go crazy. i don't know. i guess i'm going to spend the rest of my life in prison and keep doing the same things i've been doing. i don't know what else to do. until somebody kills me, i guess. i don't know. next on "lockup: extended stay" -- >> life on death row was a very
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>> if you take something like shoes, they took shoes, i know who it is. the other guys in the block, they know i know. so if i don't deal with it, then that's a weak spot on my point. so they can go, okay, he's weak and we can steal the rest of his stuff and that's what was coming next eventually. it's not my first stab, not the first time i've had stuff stolen and probably won't be the last time. it's what has to be done. >> since he's serving life without parole, it's unlikely he'll receive any additional time. the victim of the stabbing is recovering, but remains in ad-seg until the warden feels he's ready to return to general population. with no parole date in sight, terry moore feels he has nothing to lose and so breaking the rules isn't much of a deterrent for him. but hope is not lost for all inmates serving life without parole. >> what did you do with the sunglasses? >> i put in drops. >> what kind of drops? >> eye doctor. the eye doctor gave them to me.
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>> the culture has changed because i think people have more hope. what coincided was a couple laws that changed. some of our life without parole inmates, when you serve life without parole and all your crimes were as a habitual offender, they were all nonviolent, then you have an opportunity to go back before the judge. having your sentence overturned. some of the life parole guys are violent or have a no-care attitude, they really have hope they will get their case overturned and they'll have one more chance to go back outside. >> and the inmates serving life without parole aren't the only ones getting the second chance. mitch rutledge was on death row before his sentence was overturned. >> came in 1981. i came to death row in june, approximately a little over eight years on death row. came off 1989. reversal from the alabama supreme court find the d.a. said there's no such thing as life without parole and gave me a new sentencing hearing. the jury recommended life
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without parole. the jurors went along with it. i'm guilty. there was a man, he was shot and robbed. >> by? >> by me. >> on december 23rd, 1980, rutledge and two friends carjacked a van from a 28-year-old man. after robbing him, rutledge then shot the man five times, killing him instantly. the victim's wallet contained $20. when rutledge arrived on death row at 22, the threat of execution pushed him to the edge. >> life on death row, to me, was a very traumatic experience. i stayed in the cell 23 hours a day. i felt lost, confused, devastated. and knowing that you're going to die, that they sent you there to die, it have an even more vicious effect on your mentality and that death was definitely
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next. i went through a mental stage where i like lost my mind. >> since coming off death row, mitch rutledge has taught himself to read and write and earned his ged. now he expresses himself through his writing. >> i consider myself a poet. but i wrote this because at this particular time, it was a friend of mine being executed, and i was deeply wounded by that. and i was deeply touched. "tonight, death has been called forward once again from the life it resides in to carry out the wishes of the state of alabama in the execution of another death row inmate. death all smiles tonight. it didn't have to hunt man down. it didn't have to catch man by surprise from his fatal gunshot, a stab, while he lay in a deep sleep. no, tonight death is the hero. a feast is being held in his
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honor. everything we all feel is being worshipped tonight. the evil is the evil man do." >> everybody inside. everybody inside. >> jeremiah jackson called death row home for ten years, but he's just caught a major break. >> today, lieutenant came to my door. he told me, jackson, call your lawyer. i just said a little prayer and i called my lawyer. i said am i off death row? he says, yeah, he is. he said congratulations.
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i'm off death row. i said praise the lord. my i.q. was in the range of 69 to 72. >> although he's no longer a condemned man and is now serving life without parole, the reality is jackson committed a violent crime. >> at the age of 19, a robbery occurred on april the 15, 1996, rob and murder. and a female victim got killed in the process. i wish i could change things, but i can't. >> as part of standard procedure, jackson is spending 90 days in ad-seg to ensure a smooth transition into general population. >> they got me in ad-seg now. you're like -- i really had the best night of sleep i've had in a long time. i feel that i did a crime, i'm paying my price for it. i do believe it.
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if my life, my story, can help somebody child by passing all this, i feel due to the lord, you know, made a point through me. this, i feel due to the lord, made his point. coming up on lockup, extended stay. >> jeremiah jackson is released. >> time for a new journey to start. >> and later -- >> no, take a shot. >> the ward's patience is put to the test. >> no, i refuse.
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ics, i had two j-3s. >> jeremiah jackson, who's recently come off death row, has fulfilled his required 90 days in ad-seg. >> are you ready? open l-23. >> and he is allowed to join general population for the first time since his sentence in 1997. >> i be blessed, man. all right. now time for a new journey to start. >> top of the hill. >> what's up, man? >> what's up. >> i'm going to population. yeah. what's up? >> jackson passes through the death row corridor and says
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good-bye to his old friends for the last time. >> hi, gus. >> officer austin escorts jackson to get his dorm bed assignment and arm band. >> you have to keep this on at all times. if you get caught without it, you could get disciplinary action. all right. >> good to go? >> you're good to go. >> what's up, pee-wee? where is bed 74 at? >> third bed down. >> when i had left seg, i had to go back through row. it was kind of bittersweet. the people that i know, i can't stop telling them how much i'm going to miss them. >> while on ad-seg and death row, jackson was only allowed one hour outside per day where he was confined to a small cage. >> hey, how you been outside?
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>> but now, for the first time in years, he's able to roam the big open space of the general population yard. >> i feel like a bird, free. >> all right. let's see it. lettuce and tomato? hey, how are you doing? >> fine. >> as part of his effort to turn the culture of holman around, warden culliver starts by honoring the staff. >> only at holman. >> to thank his hard-working crew, the warden is hosting a lunch where he serves them. >> appreciate you, tony. >> i'm waiting on a hamburger. they won't feed me a hamburger. >> what are we doing, david? >> employee appreciation day along with an open house. >> we try to do it once or twice a year, basically give the employees some downtime and feed them lunch.
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just a way to try to give back, say "we appreciate what you do, the hard work you do." >> this is not burger king, as you can see, but i'll still have it my way. >> what's going on? >> the break from the prison routine is short-lived. an inmate is refusing to take his required medication. >> take the shot, i'll get you a hamburger or sausage. >> you need to come on, just get the shot. get it over with. >> get you an ice cream cone. you don't like ice cream? >> i like ice cream. >> take the shot, i'll get you an ice cream, hot dog. before i leave here today, you're going to take the shot. you've got to take the shot. i don't know why today you feel like you don't want this shot but you have to take it. you can make it hard or you can make it easy. you're still going to have to take it. i don't have no choice. >> ain't going to do nothing but resist.
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>> you're a big man. >> i'm not going to take the shot. >> are you going to fight me? or passive resistance? >> i'm not going to punch nobody. >> give it to you and it's over. how about it? >> i don't need no shot. >> i have to give you one because the doctors say you need the shot. it's not my decision. >> i don't need no shot. >> sit down. be still. >> be still so it won't hurt. >> be still. don't stick him yet. don't stick him yet. lay down here. lay down. lay down. it will only take but a minute. >> come in, mike. put it right there. >> sit you back up now, okay? are you going to be all right? >> yes. >> all right.
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watch him and make sure -- he'll probably go down and lay down and go to sleep. make sure he doesn't go down and start messing with nobody. we're going to leave you alone, all right? don't be mad with us. >> i ain't mad. >> all right. >> the sign of change in holman is evident in the way culliver handles every situation in hopes of preventing the violent past of the institution from returning. >> he says he's not mad, but he's mad right now. he'll be all right. he may not talk to me for a few days but he'll be all right. >> he'll want that ice cream tomorrow. >> yeah. >> he's been asking about that ice cream. >> i appreciate that. >> every day, my shifts change, we get out, nobody gets injured or hurt, then that's another day that we actually won.


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