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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> msnbc takes you behind the walls of america's most notorious prisons into a world of chaos and danger. now, the scenes you've never seen. "lockup: raw." in a life full of restrictions, we have seen inmates take control of whatever they can despite the consequences. >> he wants this and he wants it now. well, he's not going to get it now. >> come on down, bronco.
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>> takes two sides to see the [ bleep ] side. >> we've seen frustrated inmates reach their breaking point. >> i actually felt small pieces of glass hit the camera and hit myself. >> and in the battle of wills, some will take actions that can never be reversed. >> tattooed the whites of my eyes. >> anytime we film inside a prison, we know at some point there's a particular type of story we're going to encounter. we call it the battle of wills. we know we're going to find one inmate determined to get his way even against overwhelming odds. >> and we encountered one of the most compelling examples at the penitentiary of new mexico. kevin blanco. >> he's one of those inmates that can be unpredictable. you really don't know how he's going to behave from one day to the next.
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>> our first encounter with kevin blanco was through our associate producer. she had gone up to talk to him and was met with a barrage of verbal assaults. >> on the floor [ bleep ]. [ bleep ], [ bleep ]. >> after a while kevin agreed to do an interview, and i was actually very impressed. i was impressed with how he carried himself. he was honest and forthright about the problems he had created in his life. >> i mean, i don't look at prison as being prison, even though it is prison and i'm in a negative environment. i look at it as being my college. this is the time i have to study and build myself up and better myself. it's what you make it. >> but blanco serving times for crimes including attempted murder was housed in the prison's highest security unit for a variety of serious offenses, including assaults on staff. >> okay. >> talk to me about what you've
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done, how you've acted out. >> by douching them which is throwing urine on them and stabbing them. and that's basically it. >> as a result of his violence towards staff, the prison requires blanco to have a three-officer escort anytime he is out of his cell. >> do you think it's valid? to be cautious of you? >> yes. >> why? >> because i still have my moments. >> we learned that some of blanco's anger stems from his dislike of the fundamental tenets of prison life. >> you all can't refuse me no more. you can't refuse my books. that's what i'm entitled to, that's what i want. i mean, i don't like nobody telling me when it eat, use the restroom, and to sleep. i don't like nobody telling me
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what a i can have and what i can't have. >> dealing with him is definitely a challenge at times. there's no doubt. i have to be honest and say it is dangerous. >> we captured several of blanco's standoffs with staff, including this one with deputy warden joanie brown. >> and then you want to stand here and threaten to keep playing games. >> you're right. you 100% [ bleep ] right, and i am, and i am going to continue playing game. [ bleep ]. >> but it doesn't have to go this way. >> yeah, whatever. >> well, it doesn't. >> whatever. >> all right. we're going to close the port and we're going to go away, okay? >> go ahead. >> all right. >> put your hand in. >> no. >> kevin was constantly in a battle of wills with the correctional staff. >> let me talk to him for just a minute. come on, kevin. >> you all started this [ bleep ]. i'm not going to stop until i [ bleep ]. >> what do you want? >> what i want? >> yeah, what do you want? >> you [ bleep ]. what i want. first of all, i want my things.
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i want my dinner and i want you all to level me the [ bleep ] alone. >> if i get you a lunch -- >> am i going to stop, no? tomorrow same [ bleep ]. >> with kevin you never knew what was going to happen. i was interviewing an officer about kevin blanco -- >> he has a problem with authority. >> and in the midst of this we heard over the radio that kevin had taken his rec cage hostage. >> come out with us. >> you all want to see me in a cell, here i am. >> when we arrived, we found deputy warden lawrence trying to talk him into cuffing up and leaving the pen. he would have no part of it. >> if you want the possibility of being moved, you have to show some patience. >> whatever you all say. >> are we going to have -- >> whatever you all say. you all have -- you're right. i'll talk to you later. thank you all. >> he's currently on detention,
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which means he's got limited property. he's in an isolation cell that doesn't have all the amenities that he wants. so it's one of those things, kevin blanco wants this and he wants it now. he's not going to get it now. >> i'll give him the third and final directive. if he still refuses to come out and be cuffed, we'll extract him using whatever force is necessary. >> have you ever had to extract someone from the rec yard? >> i was kind of filming the guys coming up, and i remember panning over to see kevin, and he was gone. and i figured out he had moved to the top of the basketball hoop. he was like a cat. i mean, he must have moved up there so quickly, he just disappeared. >> the first plan was to come out and spray him with the oc spray. we all had to suit up, we all had to put on gas masks. >> this is what's going to happen. we're going to go in, give him some directives, bringing k-9 down.
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if the directives don't work, we will deploy with the oc. if the wind is too bad, we will drop a cs grenade, see what effect that has. >> the team attempts to spray oc gas into the rec pen, but the distance is too great to have any effect at all. >> not working. >> kevin seemed pretty immune to the oc spray, and even wearing the mask i could smell it, and i was affected by it. didn't faze kevin at all. >> next, the team deploys the more powerful cs grenade, but that also proved ineffective. >> are you guys done yet? >> i don't know if he was used to it or if he was putting on a front. he stayed pretty calm, and the next thing we know the staff is
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bringing out rifles, which to us was pretty shocking. >> get down or take the shot. >> come on down, blanco. >> running out of options, correctional staff resort to firing nonlethal bean bag rounds to prompt him off the backboard. >> are you guys through yet? >> the only thing i could think of was this guy is for lack of a better word brave. i mean, staring down the barrel of these shotguns, even if they are nonlethal, they're going to hurt. >> most of the time he didn't even flinch. >> another one. >> give him another one. >> shoot me one more time. >> we won't shoot you. come on down. >> the situation grows even more bizarre when blanco begins to encourage the officers to shoot him again. >> shoot one more time and i will come down. >> come on down. >> shoot one more time and i will come down.
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shoot it. i will come down you shoot it one more time. all right. >> his reaction, i didn't even know if they were missing or not, and they confirmed later that he was hit every time. >> it was obvious that that hurt. it was more shocking to me though that kevin just had no reaction. >> medical. hold up. >> i refuse. i'm already. i'm 100% all right. >> you know what? i'm going to have them see you. >> though blanco was defiant during much of our stay at new mexico, his calmer moments often showed a concern for those who might follow him here.
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>> to all the kids that think that prison is a place to be, it's not. i mean, if snoop dogg and all these wannabe rappers were out there doing what they say, they'd be right here. so all the kids out there listening to them and thinking they're role models, they're not role models. you go out there, you live that life, you listen to it, it gets you right here. >> coming up, one of the most memorable inmates ever featured on "lockup" pushes hard for a transfer closer to home. i'd like one of those desserts and some coffee. sure. cake or pie? pie. apple or cherry? cherry. oil or cream? oil or cream? cream. reddi-wip uses real dairy cream. nothing's more real than reddi-wip.
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what up? >> i'm serving a life without parole sentence, two life
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sentences, two 99-year sentences, a 40-year sentence, a 20-year sentence, and a 10-year sentence all together. >> the first time we met bobby ray gilbert we knew he would be an unforgettable inmate. he was serving life for two murders at the holman correctional center in alabama. one of the murders was committed on the outside and the other in prison. he told us both involved disputes over money. >> i killed somebody because i felt like they were taking something from me, and then i come to a world where everybody thinks they can take something from me. so, you know, you got a convergence of forces here. >> during our original 2006 shoot at holman he was battling the warden for a transfer closer to his elderly mother. >> you're the man and you run
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this place. >> i follow the regs. >> gilbert was denied the transfer for various infractions. when we shot our extended stay series a year later, gilbert was still trying to get his transfer. >> bobby had a very close relationship with his mother. for her to visit him, it took a lot. it took money. it took time. none of which she had. i think she was his sole support system emotionally speaking and knew he was going to stay in prison for the rest of his life, but at least he wanted to be closer to her. >> hey, mr. gilbert, how are you doing? >> we followed gilbert to his review hearing where his request for a transfer was decided. >> when i completed the assessment of your review this time, i looked to see did i have all the facts that would warrant the transfer. i mean, you were doing all well until march the 27th of 2007. you have a citation for insubordination. what was that about?
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>> i had a disagreement with the mail lady. >> mail lady? >> i wrote the warden about it and he understands the situation. >> my assessment at this time due to this recent infraction, i can't make that recommendation for a transfer per your progress review here. >> you could see in his body language how upset he was. you know, he kind of sunk back and he clenched his jaw, and they released him, and we had planned on filming more of these hearings throughout the day and i remember thinking we need to follow him back to his cell because i figured something was going to happen. >> and within seconds of gilbert returning to his cell, something did happen. and cameraman brian kelly continued to roll. >> i could see through the glass. i couldn't tell what he was picking up, but he was bending down to pick what turned out to be part of a chain link fence,
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and he just wound up like he was throwing a baseball and just launched it at the glass. i actually felt small pieces of glass hit the camera and hit myself and, you know, then the officer showed up and they tried to talk him down, and it was pretty extreme. >> [ bleep ]. five [ bleep ] years. trying to do@right way. i'm going to show you what i'm made of. i will make you transfer -- >> what's the problem? what's the problem? >> i have a problem. >> what's going on?
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>> my mom has four other [ bleep ] to see me. >> you can't keep beating on that glass. you know we can't let you keep doing that. >> i'm ready to go. i don't care. [ bleep ] everything i have been working for. however they want to do it from this day forward. there's two sides of me and they [ bleep ] wrong side. >> up next -- >> so help me god they're going to transfer me. >> bobby ray gilbert continues to rage. >> you'll be back in that camera filming them putting a needle in my arm. that's how fed up with this [ bleep ] i've got. >> but also shows us another side of his personality. >> one thing that surprised me was the fact that he was a very talented artist. progresso. it fits! fantastic! [ man ] pro-gresso they fit! okay-y... okay??? i've been eating progresso and now my favorite old okay is there a woman i can talk to?
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back in his cell, they confiscated the fencepost cap he used to smash his window. >> ask any officer that walks by, i don't [ bleep ] for nobody, but yet it's me because these son of a bitches took me off transfer. i have no other alternative, no other recourse now. >> bobby is out of his cell. he smuggled this into his cell. one of those caps off the metal post. busting the window out of the cells. he is agitated with you all right now. >> did you leave him out there? >> he'll be out there. >> so help me god they're going to transfer me. or you'll be back here with a camera filming them putting a needle in my [ bleep ] arm because that's how fed up i [ bleep ] got. i tried for five years to get it their way. five years.
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>> we'll leave bobby out there for three or four hours. letting him calm down when he gets through with his mad behavior he will be ready to apologize and get back to what he should be. >> people ain't stupid. they knew exactly what they were doing. let's get snake down and blind side him. they had three months to tell me they were going to not put me in for transfer. >> a few weeks later with the transfer issue still unresolved, gilbert announced he was going on a hunger strike. >> not eating another meal at holman. they'll send me closer to home if it's nothing but a graveyard. >> how is that going to help your mother? >> she has to have a yard sale. she can't pay her light bill. but she is going to scrap money to see her son. >> when i heard that bobby had gone on a hunger strike, i wasn't surprised. it's not atypical for an inmate to do that.
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it's the only source of power they have really saying they're not going to eat, and when i talked to him about it, he seemed pretty resolute that he was going on a hunger strike not so much as a protest, but almost as though he wanted to kill himself. >> how long does it take to starve to death? 35, 40 days. they can have it. i gave them 22 years, 6 months. that's enough. just keep rolling that stone up the hill knowing damn well it's going to roll back down to the bottom. you reach a point when it's too hard to fight anymore. >> six days after his hunger strike began, gilbert, now 13 pounds lighter, reached a deal with prison officials. they would grant a transfer if he took anger management classes and stayed out of trouble. >> i'm for whatever it's going to take to get me closer to
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home, you know. that's all i want. >> probably in a group setting, you know, you would be given the same information for you to be able to read and then you would talk about it in a group setting. one thing this does is allows you to write it down, and as you go back and read some of the stuff you have actually written, it makes you take a closer look within yourself as to how anger has really affected you. >> i can probably use a little anger management. >> during the rest of our stay, gilbert maintained good behavior and did well in anger management. he also showed us he was more than just a violent man. >> one thing that surprised me about bobby gilbert was the fact that he was a very talented artist. one of the drawings that stuck out to me, especially considering his violent past, was the drawing of a father's hand throwing a baseball and then a child's hand with a
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baseball glove. a little surprising to see that from someone like bobby. >> i stuck my drawing board up so when the sun comes through my window, i can get some good light on my board. they don't turn the lights on back there unless they need to see in these cells. >> six months after we last saw him, gilbert was finally transferred to a prison closer to his mother's home. he'd successfully completed his anger management course and maintained good conduct. so we were shocked when he made national headlines in july of 2008. just days before another holman inmate was to be executed for a murder committed in 1982, gilbert claimed responsibility for the crime. >> when i heard bobby was taking credit for this murder, it brought back a very specific memory i had during one of the interviews i did with him. >> if i live another 20 years, i imagine, the last ever to be on death row.
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because i know me. eventually they're going to get tired of me killing their children around here. >> authorities eventually determined gilbert had nothing to do with it. his motives for the claim are unknown. coming up -- >> we hurt anybody that tries to forcefully take property or rape or in any way hurt a homosexual who can't defend themselves. that's where we step in. >> the gay boy gangsters make their mark inside one of america's most dangerous prisons. and later. >> tattooed red the whites of my eyes. >> one of the strangest tattoo stories ever covered on "lockup" gets even stranger. >> since the first two tattooed their eyeballs, we have had one other offender do the same thing. dad you are not meeting him looking like that! i look fine. just a little trouble with a bargain brand cooking spray. i told you to use new and improved pam
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the obama obama administration will look at a nato attack that allegedly killed 24 troops. the ms. speaker ks pakistani government is demanding the u.s. leave the country. >> an american student is back home after being freed by an egyptian court. let's get you back to the program. due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> surviving a long prison term can often mean joining a gang. but this one yard at california state prison corcoran that's supposed to be gang-free. >> it's called the sensitive needs yard, sny. it's where gang dropouts or sex offenders or high-risk inmates go for their own safety.
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but even here gangs can spring up, and we found one of the most unorthodox gangs. they call themselves gbg, the gay boy gangsters. >> it's a group of men that are gay, that are not transgender, and who are gay men who like men who do not want to be a woman. okay. that's it. we're pretty thick actually. we're pretty much respected. we don't get into fights. we don't get into that sort of thing, but we have a pretty good following. we're just a group of people that are gay and stand for our own. >> clement, who prefers to be called wicked, is serving 20 years for three counts of robbery. and he's not the only gay boy gangster on the sensitive needs yard at corcoran.
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niclas turner, who goes by the name demon, told us the gbgs should not be taken lightly. >> we hurt anybody that -- inside the prison system, anybody that tries to forcefully take property or rape or in any way hurt a homosexual who can't defend themselves. that's where we step down. >> demon had a very striking appearance. first thing i noticed about him was he had a tattoo over each eyebrow, one said gay, one said boy. he had no teeth, and he had a mohawk. >> it started out as a joke, and i just kind of like -- i was looking at it in the mirror, i'm like that's punk rock. i like that. >> turner is serving three years for trespassing and making a threat to cause bodily harm. he told us he wanted a cell with contreras as much for the pairing of their nicknames as anything else. >> that would be cool, demon and wicked would be really punk rock.
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that would definitely be one of those once in a lifetime cellie happenings, you know what i mean? >> but contreras didn't seem as eager to be celled with turner. >> i mean, he's a cool guy and everything, but, you know, i don't want to be taking everybody under my wing and everything like that, you know what i'm saying? >> in fact, contreras already had another cellmate in mind. >> i have a new boyfriend now. he's going to move in with me, and we'll see how it goes from there. what can i say? i mean, i'm not going to tell you we're going to abstain from sex because that's just silliness. >> how long have you known him? >> going on three weeks. >> i was interviewed a lot of gang members in prison, but this is the first time i interviewed gang members kind of smiling and laughing and talking about romantic relationships and they were all more interested in their love lives than anything else. >> i'm glowing, i'm happy. isn't that wonderful? you don't get happy very often
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in this place, and when i have somebody that's interested in me, just me solely, it makes me happy, you know? and so i have a smile from ear to ear. it's silly. >> mr. contreras? >> yes. >> who is this? >> this is angel. >> one of the things most noticeable about angel were his eyebrows. he had shaved them in like. he had caterpillar like stumps for eyebrows. what did you do to your eyebrows? >> everything has a meaning to it, you know, and it means i'm a homosexual. >> what does? >> it's to let everybody know that. >> i didn't know that. >> i told you that. >> but i didn't know that it had a meaning. >> oh, for me it does. >> for you it has a meaning. so you classify yourself as a gbg? a gay boy? >> all day.
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>> all day. >> i can't deny it. >> then we got this really interesting candid moment where wicked was trying to explain the tv thing to angel. >> they're going to follow us, our lives together. >> why? >> yeah. >> hopefully it works out. that's all i have to say. >> why wouldn't it? >> i'm just saying. >> tomorrow hopefully -- i know for sure you're going to move in. and so we'll be cellies and then we'll go from there. >> this is when things started to get a little strange. it was odd enough to learn about the gay boy gangsters, but now we're following this love relationship between these two gay boy gang members. two guys who had known each other a matter of days.
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>> i like him, and it's never going to change. i don't know what else to say. >> i like you, too. >> i like you more. >> i like you more. >> better. >> i love you. >> we had been filming in another part of the prison, and when we came back to the sensitive needs yard, first thing we heard was wicked filling us in on some gossip that had to do with demon. >> so everybody is doing good. demon is doing good. no, he doesn't have his teeth yet. poor demon. he has this new boyfriend that he's writing on the out. he's an older man. i shouldn't be talking about his business, but i will. he's like 70 years old. oh, god, you have to hear this, it's a great story. he's going to be his sugar daddy and he doesn't care if he doesn't have teeth. yeah.
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so he can gum his way to the stars. that was a joke. >> apparently demon was trying to get dentures, and so we ran into him on the yard just as he was coming back from the dentist. >> i just went to dental today. they got my ten tours over -- they got my dentures over this. -- there. they didn't give them to me but they're going to put me on a list to get them. so i was kind of excited about that. that was kind of cool. >> what's the deal with your teeth? >> no teeth at all. well, i was a drug user, and the speed rotted my teeth. >> one of the strangest gang stories i ever covered then got even stranger when wicked and angel came strolling by us. >> yeah. >> we got in trouble for holding hands. [ bleep ] we just got in trouble for holding hands. we just got in trouble for holding hands, and so we just said that's another strike
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against us, and oh, my god, it's just getting worse. i'm done. >> you're done? >> i'm done. man down. >> man down. no, not man down. we can put the yard down. >> no. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> [ bleep ]. >> no. i'm not putting the yard down. >> you're no fun. >> but it's better to go along with the program. >> my dentures came, wicked. >> my teeth are in dental but they won't give them to me. they're putting me on a list. >> oh, well that will be good. >> that will be good. we were talking about that yesterday. >> that's going to be wonderful. you can bite into an apple now. >> but the next time we saw contreras, the news wasn't so good. his plan to move in with angel had been derailed. >> we're discouraged because the move is not taking place when we want it to take place. we're having road blocks from
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different people. the lieutenant is here. maybe we can ask her. she looks like a lesbian. oh, god, take that off. >> she doesn't look like a lesbian. i'm just kidding. they all have short hair. >> we didn't know what was behind the delay. we weren't sure if officials were going to let them cell together, but angel started to pull away from us. >> this camera person, it's not good. >> he thinks because we're on camera that it's going to affect the move even more, and today we were -- we had a good yard. we had a really good yard. we were holding hands the whole time, walking the track, and we were matching -- we were wearing matching sweats, and i don't know. i enjoyed it. how about you? >> it was all right. >> all right?
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how many times did we kiss in the yard? 50 times. and it was all right? really, honest to god. how many times did we kiss? we had tongue on tongue right there. on the yard. >> doesn't mean nothing. >> no, it doesn't mean anything but still. i thought we had a good time. >> we had a good time. >> what's the problem? >> nothing is the problem. it's just -- i don't know. i'm just feeling stressed out today. and you know why. >> why? because we're not together. >> i think wicked always had a feeling they were never going to be allowed to cell together, and sure enough angel was moved out of that unit.
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>> yeah, lovers in turmoil. he got moved out of the building. he went to four block, and i'm still over here. so we see each other on the yard every day, and we try to make the best of it. >> but just a few days later, contreras made a startling confession. >> well, the other day he came and asked me how i was doing and i was just a big old fat lie. i was just a big old fat liar. what happened was i had sex with my cellie, and then i come out here every night and tell angel, oh, nothing is going on. i'm lying. but i still feel really, really guilty, honestly. you would think i wouldn't with the name wicked but i really, really feel guilty. i really feel bad, and am i going to tell him? no, of course not. no. sorry, mom.
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sorry i'm a whore on the yard. all right. so my confession is out. >> feel better? >> i do. >> it's almost easter. >> up next. >> this is a ferrari right here. >> when he got his hands on his tattoo gun, he was so excited his hands were actually shaking. >> an inmate tattoo artist is temporarily reunited with his pride and joy. >> that's my baby. so i'm donati. how'd you do it? eating right, whole grain. [ female announcer ] people who choose more whole grain tend to weigh less than those who don't. multigrain cheerios... five whole grains, 110 calories.
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one constant at all the prisons we visited is the existence of an underground tattoo market, whether used to identify themselves as members of a gang or deal with the boredom of incarceration, there are always inmates willing to
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pay for new tattoos and others willing to risk punishment to provide them. >> one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven. there's 11 in the last ten years. >> 11 what? 11 convictions for tattooing which isn't bad. >> richard sampson is one of the more prolific tattoo artists at the limon correctional facility in colorado. he shares a handful of his disciplinary write-ups. >> one tattoo motor connected to tattoo. one ge radio, medical syringe with needle. one bottle of ink. tattoo needle. one spring being altered into a needle for tattoo gun found on desk. alarm clock radio, eight needles, one bottle of ink, one tattoo gun, one ink blood rag. got ink and blood on it. >> you're not very good at hiding your stuff, are you?
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>> out of all these, i get away with it more than i get caught, that's for sure. >> his tattoo write-ups have cost him more than 200 days in earned good time, but he says the extra time in prison is worth it. >> the same time i have lost is worth the sanity if i had just lost by getting caught doing what i'm doing is well worth the sanity that i would have lost if i had just done what they said and walked the line. shut my mouth and went to my house and did nothing and just sat there and watched my tv. i'm more at he's with myself. i respect myself a lot more for having done what i want to do until here. that's my outlet, that's my escape. >> it's always been fascinating to me how these guys manage to get tattoos in prison. not only the items they need to do the tattoos, but the fact they can get away with doing tattoos. >> any small wire can be straightened out and made into a needle. you can get motors out of appliances, tape recorders, cameras.
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>> along with needles, tattooing can also be made from everyday items. >> that's where usually they will burn soot, they will take paper and oil and burn it on the bottom. >> burn baby oil or hair oil, hair grease, styrofoam cups back in the day, chess pieces. anything that doesn't burn complete. unburned carbon, put it underneath a desk or in your locker box or something. >> then you put that in your body. >> oh, yeah. >> ever pose any health risks? >> of course, of course, but so does homosexual activity and they're not trying to stop that. >> he told me that he learned how to tattoo in prison, and then when he went back out on the streets, he learned more technique, and i guess he brought those back in with him when he was incarcerated again.
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like using multiple needles to do tattoos. >> that's done with ten needles. some of it's missing. some of it is kind of patchy. you can see the difference
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and i said, are you kidding me? really? you've tattoo the whites of your eyes? >> they're tat attitude red, the whys of my eyes. >> why? >> the yes is request not. everybody's got tattoos, strepped ears, everybody's got this and that. you never see anybody with the whites of their eyes tat attitude. now i decided to go that far and done it. >> in the 30-odd prisons i have filmed at, i had never seen tattooed eyeballs before, and while we were at limon there were two guys who had tattooed the whites of their eyes. >> the other guy is his
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cellmate, paul inman. >> it's like the final frontier. nobody has got it done. i had blue eyes so i chose blue. i thought it would be a good combination between a dark blue and black. i thought black would be a little scary, so i went with dark blue. >> he was proud of them. he thought they looked great. >> and i'll bet you there's no one in the world that has the same color eyes as i do. i'm the only one. i'm it. good or bad, that's me. >> the two men were proud of their achievements, but less than forthcoming about how they did this. >> well, can't tell you the process, but i do know it is painful and you don't use a conventional tattoo gun or a homemade gun. there's a layer. you have to get in between this layer. you can use a hypodermic needle, but i'm not saying that's what we used.
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>> their trail blazing led to some unwelcome attention from correction officers who searched their cell hoping to find the needle they used before it could be used again on someone else. they never did find it. but turned up some other incriminating evidence. >> and there it is. the how-tos. what i just found was little directions kind of thing to the way that they tattooed their eyes. >> dangerous contraband. >> we might not want to have that floating around because next thing you know we've got 955 blind inmates and we don't know what to do. >> are the two of you it here at limon? >> as far as i know. there's a lot of guys who talk about doing it. but i don't think it's going to catch on. i don't know, it might.
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i don't know. it's pretty cool. a lot of people think it's pretty cool but they don't want to quite go that far. >> but that would soon change. >> since the first two offenders tattooed their eyeballs we had one other offender do the same thing. he did his black, striking. >> the inmate who tattooed his eyes black let us shoot video of him but refused to grant an interview. but as far as david is concerned, imitation is the best form of flattery. >> yeah, i want to see everybody tattoo their whites. i want to see everybody. i want to see purple, blue, green, yellow, orange, green, everything, every color but white. i think it would be cool. i like it.


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