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getting attacked for supporting amnesty in his own party, but he thought it was great and as we saw tina brown and a lot of democrats really like that -- like what he's talking about. >> yeah, sure. >> what? >> good for newt. >> well, you're not going to -- you won't say anything nice about newt. >> no, he's my lead story. >> well, he is. everything's going his way. >> big news. >> and he's reaching out. i guess he's reaching out to hispanic voters with this illegal immigration position that bill clinton likes. >> bill clinton also likes bigger than life figures in any political party. he appreciates that about newt. if you take just newt's good stuff, take away the bad stuff, take romney's good stuff, take away the bad stuff, mitt's a formidable candidate -- >> you're talking about. >> reaching out to hispanic voters, which republicans must do. reaching out to the community, which would be a big part of the
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puts its support behind the 21 past the hour. former house speaker. time now to take a look at the >> did you ever think it would morning papers. come to this? >> yes. we'll start with "usa today." >> did you really? "the manchester union leader." embattled wisconsin governor >> they were never going to scott walker may not face a endorse mitt romney. >> they just hate him. recall vote until next summer, >> well, the key to the but he's already campaigning to keep his job in the face of a endorsement -- major challenge by organized >> but romney from massachusetts, it's the labor and democrats. neighbor. >> right there. the republican governor is now >> they don't need him. running tv ads defending his >> oh, don't back off. record during his first 11 >> they could go to have -- have months in office. >> you know, people running that a barbecue with him. >> they have access. campaign against walker are only >> he brought a holiday home in helping walker. here's a guy according to the new hampshire. >> he's got a huge house in new latest poll up there the democratic poll, he's got a hampshire, but you'd have to higher approval rating than barack obama. spend time with the publisher of the "union leader," and to be and these people are running a recall election in wisconsin fairly familiar to realize how against him. seriously? what a joke. predictable this was, and it's do they just have money to burn? not the endorsement that is the and don't they realize they're most popular and critical thing just making him stronger for reelection? for newt gingrich, it's the by having him run a perpetual daily drumming that mitt romney campaign? will receive now for six weeks whoever is strategizing against walker up there really ought to on the front page of "the union be taken out back. >> and the recall elections are
leader" as a result of it. going to occur when? don't you think so? 11 months from now? >> silly. >> in the current media environment in which we live, >> they've given him an every time one of those opportunity to raise money for editorial runs, there'll be tweets about it and blog posts 11 months and run a great about it, they did it to romney 30-second spot. they've guaranteed his reelection. last time when they picked great going, guys. mccain. it's because they do not like mitt romney. when obama travels to scranton, >> you believe it could be pennsylvania, this week, it's different this time? going to be his 56th event held the paper doesn't have a great in the battleground state this track record of picking the year. nominee. that puts him well ahead of we've got a couple of buchanans president bush's record-breaking in there, god love them, we've swing state travel in 2003. got steve forbes, pierre dupont, >> the birmingham news says alabama and lsu stay on the the president. is this a different -- >> he didn't win. collision course. at this point, only a major >> we need a president named upset or a dramatic shift by pierre. >> does this matter? voters would prevent a rematch >> it does matter. look, right now the most likely in the bowl championship series. outcome continues to be romney >> willie, let's talk about the wins iowa, romney wins new big news coming out of football hampshire and ends this thing. anything that destabilizes that this weekend on saturday, vanderbi matters, this could. vanderbilt. >> oh, you're too kind. as well as the negative ads very >> absolutely thrashed wake soon. >> in a sharp rebuke of mitt forest, one of the top two teams romney, the newspaper concedes that while newt gingrich may not of acc. be the perfect candidate, he's >> wake forest second place in their division, vanderbilt willing to stand on principle.
perennial door mat, goes to now, which one is that i'm winston salem, beats them 24-7. wondering. we should ask them. the editorial reads -- great job. >> oh, i know what they're talking about. >> what? phenomenal. >> the winds of change are >> the manchester union leader must have gone on and said that sweeping across the north -- the the principle, the conservative principle he stood on was nashville mountain. >> the nashville mountain. calling paul ryan's budget plan those famous nashville radical right-wing social mountains. >> swirling through the valley, engineering. did they go on and talk about the valley of despair is being that? >> do you think it was that one? swept away for good. >> if it wasn't that one, i will >> he's made us a little bit be damn sure this morning, and greedy too this coach, we should you can mark it down. >> i'll get my pen. be 8-4, we gave a couple of games away. >> they are good friends, they are conservatives. but alabama locked up the spot >> uh-huh. >> i guarantee you if it wasn't in the title game. >> they look great. by the way, i'm an alabama fan. them, it had to be when newt i don't usually get upset about anything. stood up in 2004 and said every >> this is right here. real conservative, every true conservative -- >> this is right here. >> true conservative. >> -- must vote for the $7 i'm zen, but all these people, trillion medicare drug benefit alabama, doesn't -- it should be plan that did more to move us boise or something. give me a break. >> just stop it. >> here's the deal, i will bet down to the track to bankruptcy -- i suspect that's anybody, right here, come on,
the true principle -- do you bring it on. think it was one of those two? i'll bet anybody that alabama will not be the underdog in that >> it could have been either. >> it could be jump ball between that and amnesty for illegals. national championship game. >> amnesty for illegals. vegas will not make alabama the because i'm sure joe mcquade and underdog. so all these people out there the people up at the manchester who say, oh, they've already lost once, those two are easily union leader. i'm sure they support his the best teams in america. position. he supported -- listen, ted >> there's no argument. kennedy lived right across the >> there's not a close third. oklahoma state seriously, come on. border. newt gingrich supported ted >> you won't find a serious kennedy's illegal immigration person who can argue otherwise. amnesty plan. those are the two best teams in i'm sure that was it too. the country. >> and boy, what about trent so there is they've got a great richardson. point there. there is this consistency, other >> 200 yards. >> he won on that one run alone. >> he might have. than the fact the first hundred we'll talk more about this in times he ran for congress, he sports. >> i'd like to see mike allen. ran as a rockefeller republican. >> i want to talk to mike allen. there's consistency. >> he's adorable. you know what? in the bible, they talk about that's a bright tie. >> my thanksgiving was fantastic, thank you. we had a little tackle scrabble, building your home on a foundation of rock. >> solid. little hunting, little hooping. >> so that wind and water and rain can't blow it away. >> full-contact scrabble in the >> yeah. allen household. yeah. >> i don't think we have that >> i like that. here. >> very aggressive too. >> those are all wrong, joe. it turns out its his support for >> all right. individual mandate. >> oh, i forgot that too.
this is amazing. we need video footage of this, he was really big supporting the mike. individual mandate. we were talking in our last >> that's the key to solving the segment mitt romney versus newt gingrich in terms of whole thing. >> this is consistency you can flip-flopping. live with, willie. the dnc has a new ad they're this is the kind of consistency you had back in college in rolling out hitting on that issue for romney. dayton, yes, you were the only let's watch. >> from the creator of i'm one. >> i'm sure they pointed out his close ties with fannie and running for office for pete sake comes the story of two men freddie too. trapped in one body, mitt versus >> hold on a second, there's mitt. >> i will preserve and protect a consistency, fannie and freddie woman's right to choose. the right next step is to see and the individual mandate and the $7 trillion medicare drug benefit boondoggle, and then roe v. wade overturned. amnes >> willing to say anything. amnesty, the ted kennedy amnesty >> the president's capping that plan -- >> sitting on the couch with idea, i'm glad to hear that. >> obama care is bad news. nancy pelosi. >> see it all at mittvmitt.com. this is all very consistent. and what was the other one? i forgot, i forgot, oh, there's >> that's just a little tease of so many of them, we're up to it. it goes on and on, mike. seven now. >> ethanol subsidies. what do you think? >> well, this is a real preview >> i forgot that one. but there's so many of these you of coming attractions. forget. democrats here ahead of the >> it shows you this is the obama campaign trying to define man -- >> this is the new definition of mitt romney even before republicans have a nominee. consistency. and you go to that mitt v. holy cow. >> what the paper says is quote
mitt.com website that the dnc this -- >> what else is there to say? has launched and that he's flip-flopped as much as four-minute video is a real mitt romney. preview of what they have to >> remember, you're supposed to pull out. including trying to make mitt be polite because i got slammed romney a laughing stock. when i criticized him. >> you do it this way -- they have a clip from jay leno >> some of your friends wrote saying he was before obama care. these vicious things. >> mitt romney, personal friend you know, saying he invented of mine, but he flip-flops more obama care before he was against it. than mitt romney. they have conan o'brien saying newt gingrich and mitt romney should have a contest. that mitt romney's biggest i'm so dizzy. >> here's what the paper says. we don't have to agree with them ideological enemy is mitt on every issue. >> that's good. that's really good. you don't think paul ryan's plan romney. and they have a couple of conflicting mitt romney quotes is radical social engineering that may bring in video of from the right. ronald reagan saying there you go again. >> wow, that hurts. >> we would rather back someone to whom we sometimes disagree and there's going to be a year than one we think tells us what of this, right? we want to hear. >> i'm scared for you all. this is the case against mitt romney. >> it not only helps the obama the latest poll taken before the white house, it helps every republican candidate while this endorsement shows the former massachusetts governor topping stuff runs, which, of course, the field with 42% support, the obama white house is showing gingrich is second with 15%. they don't want to face mitt. the reason why -- right, mark?
>> that ain't going to last. >> jon huntsman who is putting the reason they're hammering his campaign resources into the mitt right now, they're hoping first primary state responded to they make him bleed enough that the new hampshire union leader one of these second-tier -- endorsement of gingrich. >> or that romney emerges really >> it once again proves, chris, weak. and they're using humor in these how fluid and unpredictable new things, which is key, because it hampshire is. takes the edge off of it a people are just beginning to pay little bit for people and the attention and coalesce around the candidates. press. >> you also have a story up, i think more than anything else. i mean, a month ago, for newt mike, about the arizona sheriff there, joe arpiao endorsing gingrich to have been in the running to capture the manchester union leader endorsement would have been unthinkable. mitt. >> exactly. >> if you want to know what's this was a real help to rick wrong with american politics perry because republicans were today, it's the fact that if you thinking he was soft on took mitt romney's statements immigration. and positions over the past 20 it's a little tough to say that now that sheriff joe, one of the years and you took newt toughest people on immigration gingrich's, and you took jon in the country is up for it. huntsman's, and you just read so this is a big endorsement that will help him undercut that them, read all of their statements in total, all of their flip-flops. issue. also, the fact that newt >> you don't know them, just look on paper. >> nothing to do with style, gingrich has taken a perry-like nothing to do with who's position also will help him. >> all right. insulted, you know, call the mike allen. president a marxist or racist. good to see you back. hope you had a good weekend.
we'll see you soon. there's no doubt that last guy >> thank you. and on wednesday, i'll see you right there has the most in person. we'll be talking about our consistent conservative record ebook. on pro-life, on pro-guns, on >> the new ebook. playbook 2012, the right fights immigration, spending. back. and by the way, people are saying boy, you're really going coming out on wednesday. >> this is huge. out of your way to support behind the scenes in realtime. jon -- no, i'm just stating the >> you know what i was calling him? >> what's that? facts. there's only one that has >> i call him the tim tebow of supported paul ryan's budget political reporting. this is a guy that does what it plan in total, his medicare plan in total, it is that one. takes, he gets up early, all the people around "politico" whisper >> why wouldn't the union leader have endorsed him then? >> because if he had called -- in his ear, you're not up to task, you can't do it. if jon huntsman had called obama and he looks at them, gets down on the ground, he prays, and then by the time he stands up, a marxist or racist or bigot or another victory, another said something extraordinarily victory, another "v." >> works every time. hateful that newt gringrich doe >> "v" is for allen. every couple of weeks -- that's the problem with american >> he looks good doing it. politics these days. it's pretty. >> tebow's a good-looking man -- it's not based on what you >> and also, five minutes -- believe or how you govern, it's >> i need that beard. >> mike allen -- >> amazing. based on the insults you throw to the other side.
>> we're back at that. >> tim tebow, seriously? we're literally -- we just slid >> did it again. back four years. >> just win, baby. >> how many times -- just win, baby. >> all the stuff we talked about >> who was the one that went to on this show about civility. the bathroom on the football field? >> yeah. >> how many times have you heard mike, congrats on the book. >> great, see you then. jon huntsman is a rhino, when, in fact, you look at his record, and did this touchdown he's got a couple of things. celebration go too far? global warming and he's got one yes, it did. or two others, but i'll guarantee you, 9 out of 10 stevie johnson miming plaxico times, he's rock solid burress shooting himself in the conservative as the utah leg. governor, and yet you have romney and gingrich running around acting like they're conservatives. it's laughable. >> we asked huntsman about this about a week and a half ago, the fact he hasn't pushed out how conservative he is. he's been lumped in with mitt romney as a moderate because his tone is moderate, but his core is not moderate for all of the the other office devices? they don't get me. reasons you let out, guns, gay they're all like, "hey, brother, doesn't it bother you marriage, immigration, everything else. that no one notices you?" and i'm like, he is a very conservative guy, "doesn't it bother you you're not reliable?"
but somehow he's been branded as and they say, "shut up!" and i'm like, "you shut up." a moderate. >> even yesterday on fox news, in business, it's all about reliability. 'cause these guys aren't just hitting "print." oh, it's a mockery. they're hitting "dream." so that's what i do. >> well, how did -- i print dreams, baby. >> modified by whose definition? [whispering] big dreams. you wouldn't say that about newt gingrich. he wouldn't say that about others. but again, here you have the only guy supporting paul ryan's the new spark card from capital one. plan, the only guy that is rock spark miles gives me the most rewards solid pro-life, pro-second of any small business credit card. the spark card earns double miles... amendment gun. so we really had to up our game. >> they don't want to win. with spark, the boss earns double miles >> it's all about symbolism. on every purchase, every day. >> but when it comes to the that's setting the bar pretty high. endorsement of the union leader, owning my own business has never been more rewarding. huntsman -- >> we will continue to call it coming through! [ male announcer ] introducing spark "the manchester union leader" the small business credit cards from capital one. get more by choosing unlimited double miles instead of the new hampshire -- >> it does not have the one or 2% cash back on every purchase, every day. caveat that joe mcquade, the what's in your wallet? publisher of that paper looks for. the ability to truly annoy the but proven technologies allow natural gas producers left. that's what he looks for. >> is that it? to supply affordable, cleaner energy, >> and newt gingrich has the while protecting our environment. ability to truly annoy the left across america, these technologies protect air -
as well as to really touch up mitt romney. by monitoring air quality and reducing emissions... >> he also, though, he cannot win. newt gingrich can't win a ...protect water - through conservation general election. and self-contained recycling systems... >> that's the thing. >> he can't win the new ... and protect land - by reducing our footprint hampshire primary. >> no, he won't win the new and respecting wildlife. hampshire primary. and this is another amazing america's natural gas... thing again about huntsman i domestic, abundant, clean energy to power our lives... keep bringing up, he's got the conservative record, he does on that's smarter power today. 9 out of 10 issues, much more conservative than newt gingrich or herman cain. if you like at herman cain's statements. mitt romney certainly, i mean not even a close call. and yet he can win because he doesn't piss everybody off in the center and the left. and that is marked in 2012 as a negative for a republican. independents and democrats might vote for him, so we don't want him on our ballot. >> if you think if gingrich won iowa he could win new hampshire? >> if he won iowa? >> gingrich won't win new hampshire. >> i still don't think he can win new hampshire, i think the it's easy to see what subaru owners care about. closer he gets to making appear as if he might win, the independent moderates will switch over.
they'll go vote against him. that's why we created the share the love event. >> well, no newt. >> you think he can win? >> i have a hard time thinking get a great deal on a new subaru he can be the nominee, because i and $250 goes to your choice of 5 charities. think a lot of people in the with your help, we can reach $20 million dollars establishment will run back to romney. >> this is really bad news, by the end of this, our fourth year. though, for mitt romney. mitt's the huge loser out of this. >> not necessarily. as long as gingrich is taking up space, people like cain and perry who have a better chance of beating romney in south carolina, for instance, can't grow. we're close enough to iowa voting that if newt continues to be strong for the next month and he's been doing really well, he's back in control of his public image even with this immigration thing. he's showing strength, i think it's great for romney. >> all really great for obama. >> and the endorsement. >> no newt. >> it isn't really effective road block on jon huntsman in terms of any growth. >> and mitt romney, yeah.
>> well, they don't want to win. it's too bad. it'd be good conversation. okay. >> who is that opening for you talked about? if this creates an opening for antiromney. >> perry or cain have a second act. >> not in iowa, but new hampshire and south carolina. >> wow. >> wow. >> there's still hope for hope and change. >> that is crazy. that is some crazy -- up next, politico's top stories of the morning. and later, we're going to bring in dr. oz, keira knightley, join us now for the "morning chuck todd, and wes moore. joe" gridiron grind. mike florio is the founder of good morning, guys. today, talking about a chance for showers in a number of profootballtalk.com. areas, not new york. it does look like that if you >> can we talk about tebow look at the satellite radar. together, you see some of the first? >> joe, he's excited. showers slicing through buffalo, >> it's almost to tebow, but you have to mess it up. pittsburgh, as well, that'll stay to our left. it has to look like you got out our chance will show up into of bed to have the tim tebow tomorrow morning in d.c. by the hair. >> are we good? >> can we move forward? >> by the way, i like tebow doing that.
it's much better than that plaxico stuff. we're southern guys, we're not afraid to say we love the lord. what happened to tebow? >> it may not be pretty, but denver is 5-1 with him at quarterback. >> it's starting to get in the heads of the opponents where they know they're going against tebow and no matter what they do, the game's going to be close at the end and tebow's going to find a way to win it. and that's been the story 5 out of the last 6 weeks. and they're beating teams -- >> he's -- >> what's he doing? what's he doing? >> that's a different kind of t tebow. >> he's not praying. what was he doing? >> he was going to the bathroom on the field. >> was he urinating? >> it was a long game. >> did he drink that much gatorade. >> then he missed the field goal. let's get off that, though. >> no, that's offensive. why would they do that? i don't want to see it again. >> i want to see it again. >> is this what happens? >> he had -- it's a three-hour
game. >> no, stop it, i don't want to see it again. i just want to know, does this happen? >> does this happen a lot? >> then he missed the field goal. >> the only time i remember this happening is way back after super bowl xvi, jack reynolds, the former linebacker, they knew they were going to be out on the field, so teammates got around him and he took care of business. >> he wasn't hidden very well. >> this was awful. so the guy urinates by the gatorade stand and goes out and poops the bed. how does tebow do it? >> nobody knows. nobody knows. and john fox, the coach of the team has finally just accepted it. john elway who runs the football operation continues to not believe. but they have to accept it and enjoy the ride and realize that this guy helps energize the entire team. the defense plays better, everybody plays better. they follow his lead. >> he's a winner. >> he's a winner. willie, he's got him at playoff
contention. >> and wild card. jets, bengals, they can sneak in. >> he can't throw a forward pass, but that doesn't matter. >> he rushed 22 times yesterday. >> the defense was so obsessed with keeping him from running it, he'll eventually become a better passer. >> we'll see. let's get to that jets game. a good game sanchez four touchdowns, but it wasn't pretty. everybody's talking about this play. what's your take on the celebration here? >> when you have a history of dropping the football, you can't put more pressure on yourself. that's what he did with this play. when he does the plaxico burr s burress -- >> okay. >> that's the holmes pressure. he drops a touchdown pass right in his hands. >> this same man? >> the same guy.
>> that's called -- >> that's the opposite of tim tebow. by the way, the thing tim tebow does, he upsets people as he prays to god. and that for some run is offensive to people. but he's a humble guy. you do stuff like that, it blows up in your face. >> a lot of people wonder whether or not if he's fake. everything he does fits with that theme. and it's a great message for kids out there. if you're going to look up to people, you're going to look up to johnson or tebow? >> he said it was stupid. what about the jets, though? where are we with them right now? game-winning drive, you give it to sanchez, but it wasn't pretty. >> no, it wasn't. somehow they escape with a win. and it doesn't get any easier the rest of the way. they can maybe lose one more and make it to the post season, but they have to worry about the patriots who seem to be hitting that super bowl stride, even though they haven't won a
postseason game since 2007. they have to worry about the broncos. any team in the afc has designs about postseason game have to get to the wild cards. >> who do you like? >> i like the saints because they're at home and tend to show up big. they've been off for 15 days, they're rested, healthy, and ready to go, and the giants are doing their annual free fall and they're going to fade so far behind the cowboys they may not be able to catch up. the only good news, they get two cracks at the cowboys still. >> packers, they have a brutal schedule coming up. brutal schedule. >> can we talk about my falcons? i can't figure the falcons out. i've suffered with them for a long time. they're having a hard time finding themselves this year. did they win yesterday? >> yeah, they got the win yesterday, then they let the vikings get back into it. they had to sweat it out at the end. they were trying to keep pace with the saints. the good news with them is, the struggles of the lions and the bears, it looks more and more
likely the falcons will get to the postseason as a wild card. at some point they've got to deal with the packers. and maybe they go into a packers game with a nothing to lose mentality, they got crushed last year in the postseason, i think they carry that around still. >> in the nfc, rank the falcons, what are they? second, third -- >> i would say fourth at best, but they get your friend from alabama, julio jones healthy and productive. he was healthy yesterday, but wasn't productive. they get him going with others, they could be dangerous. >> you obviously have a heisman vote -- >> i have to go with andrew -- >> you're out of your mind! what's wrong with you! andrew locke! he plays aa football. >> okay. just for you -- just for you, i'll change my vote, my vote to
trent richardson. >> since you're here, can you make a case for any team beside lsu and alabama to play in that game? >> unless we want to see a completely boring national championship game where one team wins by 40 points, let it be lsu and alabama because otherwise it's going to be a horrible game. >> look at those rankings. put the rankings back up if you can do that. lsu and alabama -- if either one of those two teams play oklahoma state, stanford, or virginia tech. >> you turn it off half a quarter. >> they win by 40 against all of them. >> and i will tell you this, i do think alabama will beat lsu in the national championship. >> in new orleans too. >> and i'm going to get in trouble for saying this and willie, you know, i don't usually talk smack. seriously, alabama's a better team than lsu, you go back to that first game, mark mays said it on saturday, they should have won by a couple of touchdowns. horrible coaching, horrible offensive play calling.
this weekend, alabama actually discovered the forward pass on first down. >> yeah, i think they'll be ready the next time around. you don't beat him twice in one year. it just doesn't happen. >> that's going to be awesome. lsu, by the way, man, they've done everything. they've beaten four-ranked teams, no disrespect to lsu, because alabama, lsu are right there, they're a great, great team. >> mike florio, great to see you, thanks. mika's must-read opinion page is next. >> great ones about newt. all in support. dad, why are you getting that? is there a prize in there?
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all right. it's time now for the must-read opinion pages. we're going to start -- i just -- >> just do it. just read it. you know what? you report, we decide. >> i'm not going to -- i'm just going to report, actually. and you can decide. actually -- >> it takes so long for you to actually get to the reading. it's what makes it so fascinating. >> what the new hampshire union leader is doing for president newt gingrich. america is at a crucial crossroads. it's not enough to merely replace barack obama next year, we're in critical need of the innovative forward-looking strategy and positive leadership that gingrich has shown he is capable of providing. he is by no means the perfect candidate. but republican primary voters often too often make the mistake of preferring an unattainable ideal to the best candidate who is actually running. in this incredibly important election, that candidate is newt
gingrich. he has the experience, the leadership qualities, and the vision to lead this country in these trying times. he's worthy of your support on january 10th. >> what's the impact of this? this editorial? >> as mike suggested earlier, it's not going to be from this editorial, although it's gotten gingrich a little bit of positive buzz, but the editorials to come that will savage mitt romney in a way that will become part of the debate. >> that's the way that joe does it up there. it's like we pick the guy we like and then you're either for us or against us and hammers the other side. >> and as we said before, we have the dnc driving this message, you'll have rick perry driving this message, rick perry's super pack -- >> can he do it? >> i think he can. i think the most likely outcome is he wins this easily. >> wins easily. i think, mike, he's lived up there basically. i think if he doesn't get 40%,
that's a big loss. >> 40%'s big up there. i think he wins going away. as mark just indicated, his biggest obstacle in new hampshire will be the daily beating he will take in the union leader. he might take christmas day off. >> he'll write two on the 24th and preload it. >> yeah. >> joe plays for keeps? >> oh, yes. and he's a good guy, by the way. >> good guy, very conservative. >> yes. >> he's probably like -- in his defense because newt has been liberal as much as he's been conservative. joe's probably like the rest of us. he's scratching his head wondering where a strong conservative candidate is this year. >> and he balances that search off by the fact that he just clearly does not like mitt romney and never has. >> well, there aren't a lot of conservatives, willie, that like mitt romney. i mean -- just as conservative thought leaders, you can't find them. >> that's why we spent the last
several months finding someone other than mitt romney because it's clear he's the front runner. no one will accept him as the front-runner. but it may come to the point where they're going to have to. time's going to run out. >> most likely. and remember what happened last time, mccain got most of the endorsement, not just the "union leader," and all of them wrote about romney's character. that could happen again and again in the national echo chamber, that will get a lot of attention. he'll have to overcome that. i don't know if the others will endorse gingrich. >> let me ask you this question, have you picked up -- people have focused so much on mitt romney flip-flopping, and it's obvious he's flip-flopped on every critical issue, but what about newt gingrich. you could come up with as many flip-flops throughout newt gingrich's career. one minute nancy pelosi's a socialist, the next minute he's on the couch with nancy pelosi doing commercials, the next minute he's a small government conservative and medicare's going bankrupt, the next minute
he's telling all conservatives if you don't vote for the largest expansion of medicare in the history of had republic, you're not a true conservative. we can keep going. immigration now, he's basically -- he supported teddy kennedy's amnesty plan. he's -- why is it the flip-flop issue going to stick on him? >> it has to be driven by a candidate. bachmann and santorum are trying to drive it. it's going to take a bigger megaphone to really go after him. perry's going to have to do it or romney. i'm not sure anybody with a big enough megaphone will. that's why i think gingrich, if he can stay disciplined for a few weeks could go into iowa with a head of steam. >> that would be terrific. in a few minutes, we're going to bring in dr. oz and chuck todd. more "morning joe" in just a minute. [ male announcer ] humana and walmart have teamed up
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have on both democratic and republican sides is that we have to reduce the deficit. we're sort of like a blindfolded man walking towards a cliff, and if we keep walking, we're going to fall off and die. some may argue the cliff is 50 yards away, some may argue 500, but we all agree if you keep walking, you die. >> the super committee was supposed to come up with $1.2 trillion over a decade, not a lot, but a start in the right direction. it goes to a sequester, that was not a failure, that was option two. >> welcome back to "morning joe." mike barnicle and mark haleprin are still with us. and joining the table, combat veteran of the u.s. army wes moore. good to have you this hour. how's it going there, joe? >> going great. >> great, great, great day for newt gingrich. >> oh, are you -- how excited are you for newt? >> you know what? at this point, i'm pretty excited.
>> and why is that? >> well, i just think it's probably really good news for obama. so i'm not going to get caught up in what a hypocrite he is. >> just stop that. come on. >> no, that'll come out in the wash. so what's great is the republicans clearly don't want to win and that's good for obama. >> wow. i don't know. i don't know -- i mean it's looking pretty good for him. he's moving ahead in the polls. mark, he's moving up in new hampshire. he's moving up in iowa. he's got the endorsement -- >> conservatives love him. >> what i call the manchester union leader. he doesn't have a conservative record. he's spotty at best. >> but they can pretend he does. >> but he's still doing very well despite the fact he flip-flops as much as mitt romney. >> i'll say again, if you take the good newt, man of ideas, passion, long record of working around the country and conservative circles and articulate and a real ability to
touch the republican soul on what they don't like about president obama, he's a great candidate. >> the thing is, mike barnicle. there's the good newt, and we certainly saw the good newt in washington, we also saw the bad newt. the newt gingrich that decided it was time to stop being a conservative and tried to, you know, there was a reason why people like steve largent and tom coburn and myself tried to move him out because he forget absolutely everything he promised when we were doing the contract for america. he suddenly decided he wanted to be a big spender. i remember his very last speech in 1998, he went on the floor and he savaged the conservatives. he called us the perfectionist caucus, he attacked us time and time again. and at the end of the day, we went to him and said, you're not even a moderate anymore. you're not conservative, you're not even a moderate, and all of
these promises you made us sign up for with the contract with america, you're running away from them. that is classic newt gingrich. he is just -- i will let people judge him on his personal life, i don't judge him for that, but ideologically he is unmoored. this week he can call paul ryan a radical social engineer on the right, next weekend he can support ted kennedy's immigration amnesty plan. and the next week, he'll claim he's the conservative's conservative and call obama a marxist. >> you started off by calling that aspect of his political character the bad newt. anyone in the daily news business would regard that aspect as being the good newt because you never know what's going to come out of his mouth on an hourly basis. >> right. >> on an hourly basis. and that in the end over these next six weeks is going to provide, one, a great deal of
entertainment for the political press, and b, a great deal of danger for newt gingrich himself personally. he has the ability to blow himself up at any moment in time. >> yeah, but wes, he's moving up in the polls. let me ask you, wes, do you think that newt goes up in the polls and stays there? or do you think he's going to do what palin did last fall and then what donald trump did in the spring? and then what michele bachmann did in the summer, and what herman cain did in the early fall? seriously this is like -- this is like "saturday night live." you have guest hosts, they come on, and then they drop out. newt's the latest in the long line. do you think he stays up this time? or does he fall like the rest of them? >> i think newt has the potential of actually staying where he is and being that alternative to mitt romney which i think is the point to these shifts and dynamics. if you look at the endorsement, mitt romney's name wasn't used at all in the endorsement. but drew klein did an interview
later on where they asked him about, was this a snub toward mitt romney. and literally his exact words was he would be served in a presidency in the late 19th century. this was a comment, in the fact that there were a lot of conservatives more comfortable with him. >> what's the conversation they had to make this choice do you think? >> the conversation, i can tell you -- i can't say -- you may have better insight on what joe would say or maybe you would, mark. i can tell you this is what conservatives say. they get together and talk and say who are we going to support? well, mitt romney's in first place, but mitt, what does he believe? >> right. >> he's going to be just like bush was. he'll probably spend more than any democrat. and he's -- he flip-flops on every issue. so conservatives feel betrayed by eight years of republican rule under george w. bush. >> fair enough. fair enough. >> they don't want to go there
again. then, what do you do next? you start going down the laundry list and that gets you to herman cain and michele bachmann and sarah palin and that gets you to rick perry and -- and at the end of the day, you just throw your arms up and, i guess, maybe joe mcquade thought, well, you know what? he was a conservative speaker for a year and a half. >> yeah. >> he made a lot of big changes in '95 in the first half of '96 before he caved and became a moderate. >> yeah, i think probably the basis of the endorsement is twofold. one, they don't like or trust mitt romney. >> okay, fine. >> in terms of adherence to conservative principles. and b, maybe more importantly than "a," newt gingrich has the ability to really stay in the ring with barack obama. better than any of the other candidates out there. >> can i ask you a question -- >> that's where you lost me. is that possible?
>> it is possible. >> if he got the nomination. >> let me ask you this question. it seems if joe mcquade wanted to make a statement wherefore conservatism. he could've endorsed ron paul and it would have been clean. if i were the editor of the paper and i had to choose between mitt and ron paul and newt gingrich, that's easy. despite my misgivings on his foreign policy, i would go with ron paul. but there's that line in there where he says we can't just go for the perfect, we need to find somebody that can win. >> well, they'd have real reservations about ron paul's foreign policy. >> some of the more extreme parts of -- >> there are some things in his foreign policy i love. >> they have the practical streak. you know, pierre dupont could've won the primary, he ended up not catching fire. but i think they like to pick someone who actually could win or overperform in the primary. >> why are we calling him pierre
when everybody knows he wants to be called pete. >> well, because george h.w. liked to call him that. >> i'm waiting for newt in one of the debates to call romney willard. >> maybe so. i don't know. this is all good news for barack obama, though, isn't it? >> it is good news for the president. and here's why also that it's good news. you're seeing the way the polls are playing out. you're seeing the fact that there has not been a central candidate that the president can actually really target in on and the president can even think about. the president's using this time. a, is using mitt romney as stalking horse. but at the same time, they're able to look at the fact this is mitt romney's path to the nomination. and if this is mitt romney's path to the nomination, i think the white house looks at this as a weak path to the nomination and not necessarily -- it's not necessarily preparing them for that general election.
>> this very important endorsement is characterized by the paper like this. we don't have to agree with them on every issue, we would rather back someone with whom we may sometimes disagree than one who tells us what we think we want to hear. the latest poll taken before the endorsement shows the former massachusetts governor mitt romney topping the republican field in the state with 42% support. gingrich is second with 15%. and former utah governor jon huntsman who is putting all of his campaign resources in the first primary state responded to the new hampshire union leader endorsement of newt gingrich like this. >> it once again proves, chris, how fluid and unpredictable new hampshire is. people are just beginning to pay attention and coalesce around the candidates. i think more than anything else -- i mean, a month ago for newt gingrich to have been in the running to capture the manchester union leader endorsement would have been unthinkable.
>> hmm. i'm not even going to -- that's fine. i think it's great. >> so -- >> keep going with what you're -- >> let me ask you this, mark haleprin. we haven't talked about jon huntsman this morning. talked about the candidates that went up and down. huntsman sitting there at 7%, 8%, 9% in new hampshire polls. he's starting to go up on tv in a big way with the super packs. the business i'm hearing on the ground regarding his town hall meetings positive. he's knocking on doors, he's doing all the things that traditionally help you win in new hampshire. when i bring this up, people laugh say you're out of your mind. i actually -- i'm actually certain that unless something big comes out that huntsman's going to do well in new hampshire, probably finish second, probably finish in the
20s. what do you -- what do you get when you're up there? >> well, i'm going later today, i'll know more tomorrow than i know now. there are three things i think he needs to breakthrough. he needs a television ad to breakthrough. the first ad i don't have the sense broke through. the second thing he needs is a message that breaks through on the economy. and then he needs a performance that breaks through, we've talked about the stylistic performance, which he's capable of doing but he doesn't do often. >> he's more of an ambassador than a politician. >> he needs to be a fiery populist politician. if he doesn't get those three things, i'm not sure he can finish second. >> let me ask you, mike barnicle, over the past week he started talking about he's taking on washington, talking about term limits, talking about stopping the revolving door on k street. and he's talking about something which if i were running, it's the first thing i would say. he's saying he's basically saying limit their terms, cut their salaries, and send them
home. basically saying if they don't balance the budget in congress, then why are we paying them? cut -- and cut their salaries. i think that's a strong message. >> populist. >> he's got that and it works. and he's also, and he started this about a week ago i'm told up there, break up the big banks. and he's got -- he's got the geography of the new hampshire primary is perfect for jon huntsman. he's got the seacoast cities, portsmouth, over to the vermont border. he's got a triangle of opportunity there. in new hampshire, in terms of retail politics is perfect for huntsman. if he gets a good driver in a car, he can hit two or three fairly populated spots per day and he will sell. but he also needs as mark just pointed out. he needs that breakthrough tv ad that creates some buzz about him. >> seeing the "union leader" endorsement, it's disconcerting. go ahead, wes.
>> the other thing is, he's spending a lot of time up there. he's one of the candidates that's genuinely spending time and living in new hampshire. you can expect that would have some type of breakthrough appeal, as well. the fact he's taking new hampshire so seriously unlike the other candidates. >> do you agree with us that mitt romney's going to end up getting 40% in new hampshire? that's his home state. >> it is his home state, but i still do think there are cracks in his armor. >> like what? >> well, i think you have a large conservative base that is not comfortable with the idea of mitt romney being the nominee. and new hampshire is known for surprises. and i think this year might be just the same as every other year. >> so what happens? let's say there's a surprise in new hampshire, then you go to south carolina, what happens then? >> the romney people have had a strategy for a while predicated on the notion they can be the nominee even losing iowa and south carolina. never happened in the modern era. >> i don't buy that. do you buy that?
>> it's about momentum and wins. eventually about delegate accumulation. and romney's operation about delegates and down the road is much, much stronger than anyone else. i don't think there's a person in newt gingrich's life who has thought two seconds about delegate totals. they're all about the early states. again, i think it's hard -- you'd be breaking precedent to lose and be the nominee. but that's -- >> if newt wins in iowa and lightning strikes and huntsman wins in new hampshire, romney's campaign is done. i want to talk foreign policy with you here. the two lead stories in the "new york times," one talks about syria increasingly isolated. i don't think that regime can withstand the pressure from the outside. but secondly, more troublesome for us. you talk about cracks, cracks in the u.s./pakistani alliance. bad news this weekend i'll read you the headline. bitter allies in fog of war, pakistan/u.s. divide widens
after strike. >> the air strike killed at least 24 pakistani soldiers over the weekend. >> and now the united states is saying the pakistanis fired first. what does it mean? >> and the breakup was on the check points, that's not a new thing. this is now the third time that has happened where we're seeing this kind of backlog of the check points because of these incidents. i think it's further highlighting that the tensions and the foundations of the u.s./pakistani relationship have some serious foundational problems with it. there's a lack of trust, lack of sincerity, and i think what we're seeing right now is a lot of saber rattling on both sides, which will have significant impacts on afghanistan policy and policy going forward. >> the prime minister calls the attack a grave infringement on pakistan's sovereignty. and the country's foreign ministry in a sunday phone call with secretary of state hillary clinton says the air strike
negates the progress on improving progress. >> and i think those statements are important also to understand who their demographic is. and who their audience is with a statement like that. their audience is the pakistani people. the pakistanis don't want to feel like these things can happen and can go without any type of implications or ramifications. i think that kind of statement was expected. i think the statement by the secretary of state, you know, an apology was expected. but i think how things continue to transpire moving on in terms of these legal conclusions, in terms of operations, in terms of coordination is the larger question these countries have got to figure out. >> also, front page of the "new york times" talking about how the greeks are balking at higher taxes. the "new york times" editorializes today that time is running short in europe. and yet the greeks don't want to do anything. by the way, george will in his new column, he has a great, great, great joke. let me try to butcher here. he says so -- an italian, a
greek, and a spaniard goes into a bar -- >> drinks all night. >> and drinks all night. >> who pays the bill? >> we do. >> the german. >> same thing. >> the german. i mean, seriously, if you're the germans and you've done everything right. and you look at the greeks who really, seriously, they balk at paying -- they don't pay taxes. they don't pay taxes. >> no. >> and they've got some of the most lavish benefits of any country. and why should the germans have to keep paying? why should we keep paying? >> now the germans are being asked or it's expected if they don't pick up the tab for greece for italy, and perhaps even other countries, that the entire european union goes under financially. so it's all on them, it's highly inequitable, you can't blame the germans for being angry about this bill being presented.
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all right. joining us now, nbc news chief white house correspondent and political director and host of the "daily rundown" chuck todd. chuck, good morning. >> it's a mess. i don't want you to get into newt. stop it, let's go to new hampshire. things are crazy. >> the whole thing's a mess, we're talking about the bcs, right? >> yeah, the bcs. we'll start with the gop and then we'll go there we were talking about a year ago, sarah palin a year ago everybody was saying she was going to be the nominee, then in the spring it
was trump, then in the fall it was herman cain, now newt is rising up. but i'm sorry, very few of us around this table believe ultimately that he'll be the nominee either. what's going on? >> well, it's apparently the republican base is going to get dragged kicking and screaming to come to the conclusion they're going to have to support romney at the end of the day. it is amazing to me to watch this. he is now the antiestablishment candidate, a former speaker of the house whose businesses actually have addresses on k street in washington, d.c., not just -- not just symbolically right there on k street. and this is now -- that to me tells you how much energy there is against mitt romney in this republican field. and at some point, you're right, do they just surrender and say, fine, we're going with romney? or do they fight this and fight this and fight this? and i tell you, if you look back
at 2010, i think they fight this. i think maybe we're in for a much longer haul in this thing than any of us thought or prepared for other than mitt romney. i do think the romney campaign knows -- knew this going in. it's why they're attacking obama in the way they're doing it in tv ads. trying to do anything to appease the base. >> we haven't brought it up, but you just talked about how newt gingrich is playing outsider in washington, d.c. we completely blown past the "washington post" article this weekend that showed that because of newt's connections inside washington, because of his lobbying, because of the selling of his name, because of him leveraging his speakership that newt inc. according to the "washington post" in a detailed report made over $100 million. being a washington insider. $100 million over the past decade being a washington insider.
and yet he plays himself as outsider. >> he does. and it is sort of a head scratcher, but i think this is not about newt. this goes back to it's about romney. >> it's always about romney. it's always been about romney. and every rise and fall of every -- quite frankly herman cain became the flavor of the month. do you need any more evidence than just the two examples you're using and i'm using. the rise of herman cain, a guy who was doing talk radio, not even -- couldn't even get it syndicated nationally. doing talk radio out of atlanta surges to the top at one point, now you've got a guy who basically sold his congressional brand to make $100 million. >> $100 million. is that unprecedented? has anybody ever cashed in on their access? >> well, yes. >> we talk about the revolving door. >> to the tune of $100 million.
>> there are a lot of people who have made tens of millions of dollars -- >> yes, but $100 million -- >> but i would argue, rarely do they try to come back into politics. right? rarely -- basically they cash in and they go. right. that's it. they, you know -- i'm always reminded -- you run into certain people that work on k street and you're like, oh, yeah, you were a member of congress like 30 years ago. you know, usually they choose to cash in and they don't look back. >> okay. >> they don't try to do this again. >> $100 million. and talk about that revolving door of k street. i guess does he survive that? >> someone's going to have to put it out there. as great of a newspaper as the "washington post" is, it doesn't affect the debate. >> isn't that a shocking number? an unprecedented number? >> newt's a good businessman. >> yes, you could buy access to newt and one-on-one time with newt. >> and all the private planes and all the limos and all the tiffany's spending.
>> here's that question, i'm just curious, and mark, you can take it and maybe bounce it to chuck todd. but if this is about mitt romney, isn't an important newspaper be endorsing who they think should be the best candidate and not trying to play chess and knock people out? or is that part of the game? >> romney's not their kind of candidate and not the candidate that a lot of voters want. they're doing what they think is right. to me, like chuck said, it's all about romney. there's two ways it's about romney. one is, will there be a negative ad campaign against him in iowa against him? so far, there hasn't been. and two, if he loses an early state, does that cause the establishment to rush towards him? or does that cause herb to say, oh, the guy can't even win "x," how do we send him in the general election. >> and to answer your question, mika, the test has always been, you try to find the most
conservative electable candidate. >> well, okay. >> and so the "manchester union leader" believes that candidate -- >> they clearly didn't. they clearly didn't. >> you say they clearly didn't. they think he's the most conservative guy. >> these are smart people. >> and they think newt's the guy. >> we all know that. let's not act like they're not. >> so let me ask you, chuck todd, do you think -- i mean it's actually not what you think. i don't know exactly how to put this. i knew a year ago that sarah palin wasn't going to be the nominee when everybody else was saying she was going to be the nominee. same with trump, the same with when bachmann rose up. you read all the articles she could be the one this year. we knew that wasn't going to happen. i knew immediately perry wasn't going to make it. i knew immediately cain wasn't going to make it. i feel the same about newt.
there's no way newt ends up -- do you disagree? do you think newt is a more viable candidate than all of the other pretenders? >> well, he may be the more viable to go the distance. the guy is very good at deflecting -- at pushing back on his negative sometimes. sometimes he goes a little too much and can sound shrill in defending himself. but i'm going to stick with what i've said the last few months. if you run this campaign ten times, 7 out of 10 times, romney's the nominee, 2 out of 10 times, it's somebody else in this field. and i have to say, i don't think it's completely out of the realm that come june it's such a republicans are continuing to hand wring that you start getting one more call, well, can you mess around at the convention? can we do something there at that point in time? i know it sounds farfetched -- >> no. >> but it's so crazy right now, we're 36 days away and we don't even know who -- we don't know
that gingrich is actually going to survive 36 days. >> chuck, one of the -- i would say in my world, one of the three most influential conservative people out there -- in my world looking at people that really move hard core conservative opinion, at least one of the three is hoping for a brokered convention. they believe that is the only chance to get a jeb bush or mitch daniels or paul ryan. they want it to be a mess and they want the convention to be blown open. they don't want mitt romney, and they don't want these other people either. >> fascinating. chuck todd -- >> what a race. >> what a race. >> oh, can i ask, chuck? heisman trophy, who's your vote for? >> you know what? and i'm not just doing this to pander, i go with trent richardson. >> the run was remarkable. >> unbelievable.
he had a heisman moment. >> andrew locke has not risen. and lsu/alabama, that'll be the game, right? >> i guess. no defense, and it's deserving, but i, you know, i guess i'd like to see -- i don't want to see -- it's not fair to lsu, they lose to you guys 9-6, then what do they -- is that really mean alabama was the best team or not? or was there essentially these were the two best teams and they barely could move each other? >> chuck, thousand did lowly boston college do this weekend? do you follow them at all? >> i don't follow football games played on fridays. that's what i've learned. >> just ahead -- >> apparently i'm washing luke russert's ford f-150. >> one of the biggest health challenges facing the country. keep it here on "morning joe." >> i brought the boss. -dad, why are you getting that? -that's my cereal.
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next to a big nose, and i don't know what you were doing, you were waving your arms and stuff started coming out of the nose and i thought, my god, what is happening there? what are you doing? >> you've got to make it cool. got to put an edge to it. you put a little attitude into something, people pay attention. i think what's held us back from showing up to our own lives, and we taped our 400th show. and i remember thinking, i don't know if i can do this over and over again. you realize there's that many stories. it's a cool species to understand. we're petrified from our bodies, and a lot of things we think are true in our bodies we learn when we're 5 years old from our mother. she might have had it wrong, maybe not, you may have heard it wrong or things may have changed. we're talking about boogers or belly fat, what we're doing is taking away the shame that is associated with knowing about how your body functions. >> having a lady hold a big booger on television certainly makes you look at the nose differently. i did learn something. i want to talk about obesity and
i love what you're doing. you've got this organization called health core. tell us about it, i think it clues in on the key factor behind childhood obesity. >> well, we started it based on the peace corps model. so you take young kids recently graduated from college and put them in high schools, that way it's a peer-to-peer mentor relationship. so we put these the -- >> she pointed to me when she said old person. did you see that? >> kids don't -- it doesn't resinate for them the same way it does. someone who is young, cool, and hip and understands what they're going through. we put these kids in the schools and teach them nutrition. a lot of the kids don't know how to read a food label. and we teach them fitness. we get them pedometers. they don't have gyms, they don't even have p.e. in schools anymore. and so many of our addictive behaviors are based on the fact we don't know how to deal with stress.
we do yoga, meditation, anger management, communication skills. all of these things factor into health as a big picture. >> and the thing i'm most excited about. i spent my whole life doing heart surgery. i've operated on 25-year-old latino women now because they tend to develop diabetes earlier because they were obese as kids. the best part of health corps, i think, if you're sitting at home and wondering, darn it, the school system stinks, we're not able to get ahead of it. this is your opportunity. this is your opportunity to change it. i don't want you complaining about it anymore. get your school system and think about adopting it. we're privately funded as well as supported by state governments. get it into your account, raise the money yourself if you have to. if you have the means, support it personally, but there are ways to change the school system. and the reason people are embracing it. we're in 13 states, touch about 14,000 kids' lives. people in that community say, i've had enough, i'm going to stand up, show up to my own life, make a difference. i'm going to show these kids if they can't control their own
body, guess what? they can control the world around them. >> all they need is the tools. all they need is the tools. >> how does the school system get to you? how do they get your program into the school system so we don't have 16-year-olds on lipitor. >> go to healthcorps.org. there are tools we have made so that kids can go into schools and teach each other. but most of it is outside the courtroom where we get the kids to be activists. i want them opening up the gym on weekend, making playgrounds more accessible, going to local stores saying you're in the business to make money, my parents are going to buy 100% whole grain bread from now on. it makes them activists and it's all about service learning. once they know, they shed it and the high schoolers tell the middle schoolers and the lower schools and the parents, kids are going to argue with you anyway, but if they're coming home and saying, hey, you've got high fructose corn syrup in there, what gives?
that changes the argument. >> how do you change the foods in the schools now? the food's been the same since we were kids. you get the rectangle cardboard cheese on top. we saw a story two weeks ago where a pizza is considered a vegetable in a public school. how do you fight that absurdity? >> it's consumerism and activism. you as a parent, as a local community you have to insist on better food, then you have to stop buying the bad stuff. if you're not buying the pizza or the french fries, they're going to have to start buying more of the salads, apples, and cut up fruit. you have to purchase what you want to see more of. >> dr. oz, you're fighting head winds when you have lobbies fighting so hard that a pizza is described as a vegetable in our public school. >> we are not going to win the health battle in washington. it cannot be won there. i have been there. we started health corps after i came back from a healthy human
services conferences and i said, it ain't going to happen here. we're going to win in our living rooms, kitchens, bedrooms, and schools. kids are entitled two meals a day into our school system, we can help as parents. we have strong leadership in the city of new york, mike bloomberg said if you want this to happen, we're going to make sure it happens. our biggest problem is the allies that would naturally help us, the parents of the kids are ostracized, kept out of the school system. i want them now. go to your school systems and say i want these things taught to our kids. >> and you'll be talking to children who are obese. who don't want to be. believe me. if you give them a way out, some of them may choose it. it's -- >> they're ashamed. >> they don't want to be that way. >> they feel terrible about their lives, and you're putting them so far behind their own lives, they'll never catch up. >> off of that, how do you
address an ancient issue? you mentioned parents. single-parent household, sometimes no-parent household where inner city kids go to schools which is often the safest part of their day. they're offered maybe one hot meal a and the kids, why do advertisers go after them? they take knowledge and convert it to action. >> if we really tell them what that food does to them, some of them may come around. >> tomorrow's show on hunger in america and one in five kids are obese and one in five kids are going hungry. it's a shocking show. i never realized this was happening. orlando had the highest levels of childhood famine. >> we are so glad that the two of you are embracing these issues. thank you very much. >> airs on weekdays.
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am awakened every morning with a defibrillator. that's the correct question. why does it require a defibrillator to get me up. >> i think since christopher walken and the deer hunter there has not been a supporting actor. >> all right, we only have a minute left. so, if you guys want to talk about -- >> it's what i say every morning when the alarm clock goes off. a couple great matches. liverpool, man city. i have been suffering with my liverpool team for three years. looks like this team may, may be back. >> looked good the last two weeks. >> the greatest team you noted. they have to show they can win every game now being hefty favorites. a frenzied game that was more fast and furious than it was tactically sound. a touch of benny hill about them and shouldering that as the liverpool defenders crash like
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>> it's not any traditional sort of charisma, it is that he thinks about this stuff all the time. he's articulate and he tries to think of a conservative version of a an idea that will solve a legitimate problem. for example, last night, i watched the national security debate last night. and newt said two things that would make an independent voter say, well, i have to consider that. good morning, it's 8:00 on the east coast as you take a live look at new york city. back with us on set we have mark barnacle. >> they had the series back in the 1990s, but bill clinton, just like tina brown and just like a lot of people, a lot of democrats love what he's saying about immigration. >> right. >> and bill clinton was
compliment ing him saying he wa getting attack for submitting amnesty in had his own party and he thought it was great. tina brown and a lot of democrats really like that, like what he's talking about. >> yeah, sure. >> what? >> good for newt. >> you're not going to talk, you won't say anything nice about newt. >> he's my lead story. >> well, he is. >> everything's going his way and he's reaching out. i guess he's reaching out hispanic voters with his illegal immigration position that bill cllt li clinton likes. >> he likes bigger than life figures in any political party and he appreciates that about newt. take newt's good stuff and just romney's good stuff and take away the bad stuff -- >> when you say good stuff, you're talking about -- >> reaching out to hispanic voters, which republicans much do. >> not necessarily reaching out to illegal immigrants, but
hispanic community which is a big part of the election. >> bachmann saying he is supporting amnesty and somebody else brought up the fact that he supported john mccain and ted kennedy's plan for amnesty back five, six years ago. >> as did john mccain and george bush, the last two republican nominees. not a disqualifier, at least it wasn't before. >> he could win the nomination even though he has taken a pro-amnesty stance? >> if you take just his good stuff. romney has not gone after newt. he is not going after newt the way he has gone after perry. >> i think he would prefer newt right there. >> yes, he would. >> this is good news. >> accept it if gingrich continues to grow, probably can't be romney, probably can't beat him, but destabilize him that somebody else could come in. >> so, newt gingrich has picked up a key endorsement in new hampshire.
in a front page editorial the new hampshire union leader puts its support behind the former house speaker -- >> barnacle, did you think it would come to this? >> yes. >> did you? >> the manchester union leader endorsing newt gingrich? >> they were never going to endorse mitt romney. >> they just hate him. why do they hate him so much? >> he's just right there. >> he's right there. >> they could go to his -- >> go to a barbecue. >> they could have a barbecue with him. >> they have access. >> bought a holiday home in new hampshire. >> huge house in new hampshire. but you'd have to spend time the publisher of the union leader and to be fairly familiar with the history of the union leader to realize how predictable this was and it's not the endorsement that is the most popular and critical thing for newt gingrich, it's the daily drumming that mitt romney will receive now for six weeks on the front page of the "union leader"
as a result of the gingrich. >> not only on the front page of the paper which is influential, but every time one of those editorials run, there will be tweets about it and blog posts about it, we'll talk about it. colorful language. they did it to romney last time, when they picked mccain. it's because they don't like mitt romney. >> you believe it could be different this time? doesn't have a great track record of choosing -- but we have a couple buchanans in there, love them. we have dupont. is this -- >> we need a president named pierre. >> i never saw this coming. >> does it matter? >> yes, the most likely outcome continues to be romney wins iowa and new hampshire and wins this thing. anything could destabilize that. >> so, when a sharp rebuke of mitt romney, the newspaper concedes that while newt gingrich may not be the perfect
candidate, he's willing to stand on principle. which one is that? >> wait, i know what they're talking about. >> what, what, what? >> the manchester union leader must have gone on and said that the principle, the conservative principle that he stood on was calling paul ryan budget plan right-wing engineering. >> you think it was that one? >> hold on one second. if it wasn't that one, i will be sure this morning, you can mark it down because the manchester union leader is conservative and they are good friends. they are conservatives. i guarantee you if it wasn't that, it had to be when newt stood up in 2004 and he said every real conservative, every true conservative -- >> true conservative -- >> must vote for the $7 trillion medicare drug benefit plan that did more to move us down the track to bank represent america.
i suspect that's the true principle. >> you think that was it? >> it could have been either. >> i think it could be jump ball between that and amnesty for illegals. >> amnesty for illegals. >> i'm sure the good people up at the manchester union leader, i'm sure they support his position. he supported, listen, ted kennedy lived right across the border. newt gingrich supported ted kennedy's illegal immigration amnesty plan. i'm sure that was it, too. so, there is, they've got a great point there. there is this consistency, other than the first time he ran for congress he ran as a rockefeller republican and lost and decided to be conservative that week. but there's consistency. you know what, in the bible they talk about building your home on a foundation of rock -- >> solid. >> so that wind and water and rain can't blow it away. i don't think we have that here. >> those are all wrong, joe. let's turn all the cards.
a support for individual mandate. >> oh, i forget that, too. he was really big supporting the individual mandate. this is consistency that you can live with, willie. this is the type of consistency you had back in college when you were dating. yes, you were the only one. >> i'm sure they pointed out close ties with fannie and freddie, too. >> i'm sure they put that in there. >> hold on, when there is consistency, fannie and freddie and the individual mandate and the $7 trillion medicare drug benefit boon and the ted kennedy amnesty plan. >> sitting on the couch with nancy pelosi. >> sitting on the couch with nancy pelosi in that ad. this is all very consistent. what was the other one? i forgot. oh, so many of them. we're up to seven. >> ethanol subsidies. >> i forgot that one. >> so many, you forget. >> mitt romney's level of consistency. >> this is the new definition of
consistency. >> what the paper says is, quote this -- >> what else is there to say? he's flip-flopped as much as mitt romney. >> you stop it. remember, you're supposed to be polite because, certainly got slammed when i criticized him. i mean slammed. >> mitt romney, personal friend of mine, but he flip-flops more than mitt romney. newt gingrich and mitt romney, they should have a contest. >> we don't have to agree with them on every issue. >> that's good. that's really good. so, you don't think paul ryan's plan is radical social engineering from the right? >> we would rather back someone with whom we may disagree than one who tells us what we think we want to hear. i'm scared for you all. the latest wmur/unh poll taken before the endorsement shows the former massachusetts governor topping with 42%.
gingrich is second with 15%. >> that ain't going to last. >> jon huntsman who is putting all his campaign resources into the first primary state responded to the "new hampshire leader endorsement" of gingrich. >> it, once again, proves, chris, how fluid and unpredictable new hampshire is. people are just beginning to pay attention and around the candidates. a month ago for newt gingrich to be in the running to capture the manchester union leader would have been unthinkable. >> if you want to know what is wrong with american politics today, it's the fact if you took mitt romney's statements and positions over the last 20 years and you took newt gingrich's and you took jon huntsman's and you just read them, read all of their statements in total, all of their flip-flops. >> you don't know them, you don't look at them. >> has nothing to do with style and nothing to do who has ins t
insulted and called the president a -- there's no doubt that last guy right there has the most consistent, conservative record on pro-life, pro-guns on immigration, on spending. i mean, and by the way, boy, you really are going out of your way to support jon -- no, i'm just stating the facts. i'm talking about the record. of all the candidates in the race right now, there is only one that has supported paul ryan's budget plan in total. his medicare plan in total. it is that one. >> why wouldn't he -- why wouldn't the union leader have inerse doed him then? >> if he had called, if jon huntsman had called obama a racist or biggest or said something extraordinarily hateful, then maybe they would say he is a real conservative. that's the problem with american politics these days. it's not based on what you believe or how you govern, it's based on the insalts that you throw to the other side.
to prove your street cred. >> we're back at that. we just slid back four years. >> how many times have you heard -- >> how many times have you heard jon huntsman is a rhino. quote is a rhino. when, in fact, if you look at his record, he's got a couple things. but global warming and he's got one or two others. but i'll guarantee you, nine out of ten times he's rock solid conservative as a utah governor and, yet, you have romney and gingrich running around acting like they're conservatives. it's laughable. >> we asked huntsman when he was on about a week and a half ago the fact that he hasn't pushed out how conservative he is. for whatever reason, he's lumped in with mitt romney as this mushy moderate and that's because of what you're saying. his tone is moderate, but his core is not moderate for all the reasons you just laid out. he is a very conservative guy,
but, somehow, he's been branded as a moderate. >> even yesterday on fox news sunday, chris wallace. >> did chris wallace -- >> mine is definition. you look at newt gingrich, you wouldn't say that about newt gingrich. he wouldn't say that about others, but, again, here you have the only guy supporting, supporting paul ryan's plan. the only guy that is rock solid, prolife, prosecond amendment gun. it's a joke. these people don't -- >> they don't want to win. >> it becomes all about symbolism. >> when it comes to the endorsement of manchester union leader. >> by the way, we will continue to call it manchester union leader. it is the manchester union leader. >> it does not have the one caveat that the publisher of that paper looks for. the ability to truly annoy the left. that's what he looks for. >> is that it? >> newt gingrich has the ability
to truly annoy the left as well as to really touch up mitt romney. >> he also, though, he cannot win. newt gingrich can't win a general election. >> that's the thing, on top of it. >> he can't win the new hampshire primary. >> he won't win the new hampshire primary. this is the uother amazing thin. he has the conservative record on nine out of ten issues. newt gingrich or herman cain if you look at herman cain statements mitt romney, certainly, not even a close call. and yet he can win because he do doesn't and yet that is marked in 2012 as a negative for a republican. oh, wait, independence and democrats might vote for him, so, we don't want him on our ballot. oh, really. >> you think gingrich in iowa, he couldn't win new hampshire. >> if he wins iowa, gingrich won't win new hampshire. >> i think the closer he gets to make it appear he might win, you
know, the independent moderates, they switch over. they'll go vote against him. >> well, go newt. >> you think he can win. you can think he can win new hampshire? >> i have a hard time seeing he is the nominee. a lot of the people in the establishment will rush back to romney. >> this is really bad news, this is really bad news for mitt romney. i mean, mitt is the huge loser out of this. >> not necessarily. as long as gingrich is taking up space, people like cain and perry, who i think have a better chance of beating romney in south carolina, for instance, can't grow because newt will take up all the space. close enough to iowa voting that if newt continues to be strong for the next month and he is doing really well. he is back in control of his public image. he is showing strength. i think it's great for romney. i don't think romney will lose to him one-on hp one. >> all really great for obama. go, newt. >> is it really effective road block on jon huntsman in terms
of any growth. >> and mitt romney, yeah. >> they don't want to win. it's too bad. be good conversation. >> so, who is that open for that you talked about? if this creates an opening for an anti-romney or perry or cain have a second act. >> not new hampshire but iowa and south carolina. >> our next guest trains many on the seal team six. we'll talk to don mann after the break. also, keiraknig knightly jo us. >> as we work our way through the afternoon, changing over to rain and tonight into tomorrow is the best chance. some snow showing up through southwestern tennessee and northern portions of mississippi, as well. fewer cases, memphis one to three inches possible. there's a look at what we're dealing with right now. a lot of this falling into air that is above freezing. so, most of that, again, freezing as it makes its way down towards the surface.
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s.e.a.l. shot bin laden's wife in the leg and the other shot bin laden twice and the al qaeda leader fell dead. that was a reenactment of the s.e.a.l. team to kill osama bin laden. a former navy s.e.a.l. team six. don mann. very good to have you on the show. >> thank you for having me. >> some of it, i guess three government agencies redacted part of your book but you get a lot in here in terms of the preparation and no preparation for a moment like that, but what was the preparation for this mission? >> well, s.e.a.l.s train nonstop when they're not fighting and doing real world missions, they're fighting. so the s.e.a.l. camp, the six-month course and you are training and you get out and you get training nonstop from that point on. >> physical and mental.
describe the difference and how they do it. >> the physical, everybody is going to break down. they're going to break down everybody physically. it's the mental that keeps you going. doesn't matter how strong or how fast or how coordinated you might be. they will break you right down and see the strengths and break those down and then you have to rely on your mental strengths. >> on a degree of difficulty/danger, the reenactment that we just saw there and the actual event itself the bin laden raid. on a scale of one to ten, how difficult, dangerous was that mission compared to a lot of other s.e.a.l. missions? >> well, you know, that mission there and s.e.a.l. team six and s.e.a.l. training the missions are a lot more complex and difficult and a lot more contingency plans have to come into play. this hilo came down and half the squad to come over to this side of the building. we'll go up and there's traps here and we've taken an assault
on the left plank and a lot of things that come up in training all the time and the teams are used to that. the way we understand it, none of that happened. so, on a scale of one to ten, that's probably in the s.e.a.l. mentality probably a two or a three as far as what they have to deal with. they didn't have any opposition and they didn't have the difficult time like they do, the trainers put them through in training. >> you know, what also is remarkable and you telling the story is the uptempo for these guys. not like you have this one mission and then you have all this time off. the uptempo of these missions are consistently coming at you. how many missions are we talking about? >> you know, you could go talk to a guy at six or any of the s.e.a.l. teams right now and you might meet a guy who is 26, 29 years old and he's been at war nonstop nonstop for the last ten years. nonstop. they get on a plane and they go
overseas and they're fighting day in and day out, going in harm's way, kicking down doors and killing terrorists and they come home, download a little bit and they know the next time they get on a plane, the same thing is going to happen. four, six, eight months and that has been going on nonstop. the uptempo is unbelievable. when i was in before all this happened, but we were training 200, 300 days a year and that uptempo seemed high, but now they're going in harm's way every day against the enemy and that's a whole different story. something our country has never faced before. >> don, there was a book out right now by another navy s.e.a.l. who disputed the government account of how things went down for s.e.a.l. team six when they got osama bin laden. you helped train some of those guys. what can you tell us about the way it was portrayed in the media and the way it really played out? >> well, the book that came out, i'm familiar with the author and i'm flawiamiliar with the book.
the s.e.a.l. teams what happens on a mission and what happens in training really stays in the confines of that command or in that team. i don't, there aren't any s.e.a.l.s who go out and talk about what happens on missions. it puts their lives in jeopardy. we found the al qaeda training manuals and we have been able to go after al qaeda more effective because of that. if we come out and let the press know that this is how we do training and tactics and this is s.o.p.s the enemies can use that to defeat us. >> so, are you disputing what the other author wrote or are you just saying it's not worth talking asfwhout. >> it's not worth talking about and if there is something going out in the press, so be it. just let it be. people, the population doesn't have to know how s.e.a.l.s train. really, they don't have to know the details and the inner
workings of how s.e.a.l.s train and how they do specific training. when that gets leaked out, that will hurt s.e.a.l.s. >> don, as you just indicated, we have been at war for ten years now. and when i say we, it's less than 1% of us who have been at war for ten years now. long deployments, multiple deployments and in the last three weeks, i happen to see on television and i'm not going to mention the video game, an ad constantly on for a very popular video game that just came on the market. it is a war game. having to do with either a navy s.e.a.l. or ranger and i think a lot of people found it sort of offensive because its war is a video game. what do you think when you see commercials like that and the fact that so many people in this country think now that war is only a video game? >> it's sad, really. it's sad for young boys and
young adults to think it's all fun and games. i talk would the s.e.a.l. teams. they have wives and they have families and they're leaving those families and wives behind most of the year to go out and do what the country is asking them to do. to make a game of it and say he's down, he's dead, i won. i'm a hero. i think that's a poor choice for a kid to spend his time watching something like that. >> i couldn't agree with you more. the book is "inside s.e.a.l. team six." don mann, thank you for being on the show this morning. >> thank you very much. another sex abuse scandal in college sports. syracuse fires its long-time basketball coach. we're going to have a report on that, next. ♪
jay gray has more from syracuse. >> there's a three, it's good. >> reporter: the syracuse ora e orangemen were an ncaa basketball powerhouse. for more than 35 years assistant coach bernie helped lead the team. he faces accusations of molesting three young boys. the allegations began with former syracuse ball boys bobby davis and his stepbrother mike lang. >> honestly, i don't even remember if i thought that is what was going to happen. i know i cringed up and didn't want it to happen. >> reporter: federal authorities searched coach fine's house for six hours and now the shocking release of a recorded phone call reportedly between bernie fine's wife, lori, and accuser.
>> i know everything that went on, you know. i know everything that went on on with him, bernie has issues. maybe that he's not aware of, but he has issues. that was recorded in 2002 and given to espn. they first aired the tape this weekend. bobby davis said he recorded the call because he feared no one would believe his story and now another accusatioaccusation. 23-year-old zach has come forward saying in 2002 bernie fine allegedly molested him in a pittsburgh hotel. >> i have a feeling that there could by many other victims in this case, as well. if somebody didn't back up bobby davis and his story, then this could continue. >> reporter: tomaselli's father, fred, says his story is not true. he faces sexual assault charges in maine involving a 14-year-old boy. he's pleaded not guilty to those charges.
bernie fine has not commented since his firing, but has called the allegations patently false and early sunday his lawyers released this statement saying, "mr. fine remains hopeful of a review of the relevant issues by law enforcement authorities." fine's former boss says he supports the school's decision and in a statement released sunday night went on to say that "the allegations that have come forth today are disturbing and deeply troubling. i am personally very shocked because i have never witnessed any of the activities that have been alleged." >> jay gray reporting for us this morning. you know boeheim and fine have been together since 1963. the first hire he made when he became the coach in '75 was bernie fine. he said he didn't know. syracuse launched its own independent investigation into this and they said at that time they did not have the audiotape of the phone call that espn made
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research. quite short staffed, so it would certainly be a help to me. >> that was a clip from the new film "a dangerous method." joining us now from london, star of that film actress keira knightley. tell us a little bit about the movie. give us the background? >> well, it's a film about freud and the patient that brought them together. it's about their relationship betwe and sort of the birth of psychoanalysis, actually. >> at first you didn't think you could take on the role because perhaps a bit too risque. what was it about the script that was too risque? >> i they said, okay, david wants to offer you a part and i
thought, wow, i've been such a fan of his for years and i pretty much 95% decided to say yes before i even read the script and they sent it to me and i loved it and i thought it was fascinating. the character that i play is a masochist and there were scenes in the script and i thought that it was very important that they should be there, but i didn't know whether i particular lly wanted to play them, particularly in the age of internet and all of that. do i really want to put that out there? i phoned david up and said i love you, i love your work but i just don't think i can do this. he said, look, i think it would be a complete travesty if you don't play the part because of them, we'll take the scenes out. i said, all right, well, let's talk about it. we talked about it a lot and we just sort of talked about the character and the way that he saw those particular scenes as part of the film. and when he said that he didn't want them to be sexy or kinky,
he wanted them to be kind of more clinical and kind of brutal, i sort of, i could see that as part of her character. >> why did you decide to make the attempt to put it out there? go forward with doing these scenes? what was it that drew you to making the decision to go forward? >> those scenes, in particular, i think, are a very small part of the film. they're a very important part. but i was fascinated with the character. what i love about my job is the chance to really look at somebody, look at the world through somebody else's eyes. i didn't understand any part of her world or what made her tick or what the particular thing that he was suffering from was about and the opportunity to kind of spend a couple months and really try and understand this person who i had nothing in common with who i, you know, fortunately, haven't experienced any of the things that she's experienced and truly try and learn about this particular subject matter and not to judge it, but emps the it and find a way of playing it something i
found incredibly exciting. >> let's talk about the choice of this film. you look back and how about a great soccer star, "pirates of the caribbean." i mean, one of my kid's favorite, one of my favorite movies in a long time. keith richards basically playing a pirate and then "love actually" an extraordinary movie itself, a great love story and you choose to do a film on the, what do you call it? the birth of psychoanalysis. this is not one that made your agent jump up and down and go, yes, we're going to get loaded on this one. >> no, not we're going to get loaded, but it was one of the ones that made my agents jump up and down and say, yes, because they're film lovers and because they're lovers of acting. and of different genres. i love films like pirates of the caribbean and "bend it beckham."
make me see the world in a different way and i think, you know, that's where this kind of a film comes into it. it's wonderful to have escapism, like "love actually" that makes you feel wonderful but equally as a cinema goer, i want a film that will really challenge me and want to talk to people about it. i suppose that's what i was looking for more with "dangerous methed"ao method" and why my agents were excited about them. as an actress, the opportunity to do things that are broad entertainment and then things like this, that's kind of why i do it and what i find very exciting about it. >> at the end of the process was this film the most rewarding that you've done to date? >> yeah y think it was one of the most rewarding that i've done because, you know, a lot of hard work and a lot of kind of trying to understand things that
i had no understanding of before and it was working with some really, really inspiring people on an extraordinary subject matter. so, yeah, i feel incredibly lucky to have been a part of this film and i loved it. i did love it. >> it was great. >> understand. >> so, keira, you wanted to work with david, he made some really brilliant movies, but also really weird movies. is he as weird a human being as are the movies that he has produced over the years? >> no. no, i think what's extraordinary about him, he's one of the loveliest, loveliest men you could ever want to meet or work with. he's incredibly supportive and intelligent and incredibly creative and i think a lot of people when they've seen this film they said, oh, it's not like a movie and i know where they're coming from with that. but, actually, sort of the epitome. all of his movies have a deeply psychological side to them and this is, you know, in a way, the kind of obvious, not conclusion, but an obvious sort of step in
the park because it's, obviously, about psychoanalysis which fed into a lot of his other films. >> diving in as deeply as you have into psychoanalysis that you would begin to think about yourself a little bit and do some psychoanalysis of yourself. we'll put you on the couch. did you like what you found when you -- >> okay, what are you doing? >> seriously, willie geist. >> you know what, really, fortunately, i didn't. >> let me just say, though, more to the point, willie, if she did, she wouldn't tell you. >> you're a bunch of idiots. film is "a dangerous method." thank you very much. best of luck with the film. thank you for being on the show. >> thank you. >> more "morning joe" in just a minute. [ woman ] my boyfriend and i were going on vacation, so i used my citi thank you card to pick up some accessories. a new belt.
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