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got no response from the fine's lawyer eventually. at that point, they then went forward. they could have done that years ago. >> right. we are dealing with the post sandusky world idea of this. the people who have been under some of the harshest scrutiny since what happened at penn state happened have been not just sandusky and joe paterno but the entire chain of people who may have known something, who suspected something but stayed silent. and they are very real accusations making about cultures of come police city and the lucrative of sports in g tonight. "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans. welcome to the ed toe. another woman is alleging a 13 year affair with herman cain. late-breaking news on the walker recall story. we will have the exclusive numbers tonight. and republicans want to raise your taxes by $1500 but they
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refuse to ask the top 1% to pay a dime. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. opposition by republicans smacks of partisanship because this tax cut has president obama's fingerprints on it. >> republicans want to raise taxes on working families regardless of a record income gap. tonight new york senator charles schumer is here and he's going on offense. barney frank is calling it quits and he's not pulling punches on the way out. >> i did not think i had lived a good enough life to be rewarded by newt gingrich being the republican nominee. >> i will ask congressman dennis kucinich what frank's departure means for america. breaking news for herman cain. >> we are bracing and getting ready and i will put it in your words for what? >> another accusation that i had an affair with someone.
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salon's joe walsh on how herman cain's latest bombshell affects romney and gingrich. and tonight an ed show exclusive. we will have the latest petition count for the walker recall in wisconsin. the number of signatures is shocking and you'll hear it here first on "the ed show." good to have you with us. hope you had a nice thanksgiving. good to be back with you. in less than five weeks time unemployment benefits will expire for more than 6,000 americans. that's a big number. in less than one week, congress may raise taxes on 120 million families. republicans, well, looks to me like they are ready to let both of them happen. the debt reduction super committee happened because they want to protect the wealthiest americans from any tax increases. that's the bottom line and today they tried to turn the tables. republican leader in the senate blamed the tail your on the democrats. >> i know for a fact that republicans wanted the committee to deliver and the good news is
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we'll still see $1.2 trillion in deficit reduction. it is hard to escape the conclusion that some democrats and some in the senate were rooting for failure to and doing what they could to ensure the failure occurred. >> republicans are threatening the extension of the payroll tax holiday which gives $1500 to 120 million families and cuts payroll taxes for 98% of businesses. harry reid said not extending the tax holiday would have major consequences. >> if republicans bought this legislation, 120 american families and 98% of american businesses will not get a tax cut next year. instead, 120 million families and millions of businesses will be hit with a tax increase. those numbers are shocking. >> it is more shocking to see
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what a failure to extend the tax holiday would do the rest of the economy. moody chief economist says without the payroll tax cut we will be back in a recession. it would cause the nation's gdp to drop between 1 and 2% republicans still won't budge on tax increases for the wealthy. jon kyl doesn't mind toin crease the taxes on the middle class but says any increases on the rich will put a wet blanket over job creation and economic recovery. by taxing the people who provide the job you put off the day that we have economic recovery and job creation in this country and that's precisely what the democratic plan would do. >> i will tell you what, they do a hell of a job of flipping around, don't they? the job kraerts have benefitted from the bush tax cuts if the last ten years. they got everything they wanted. i want john dial and the
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republicans to tell us why they haven't rescued the economy after receiving a decade of historic tax relief. it is not because they aren't making a lot of money the chart we use on the program shows how much the top 1% has gained while the rest of the country remains stagnant. what do you call that? this was back in '79 and here we are in 2009. look at the wages, they haven't done anything and republicans want to give tax breaks to these folks. i have a new dandy chart for you, folks. here's one. they hate this one. the righties hate this one. corporate profits as a percentage of gdp are at the highest levels in the past five decades. the past five decades. personal wages have dropped like a rock at the same period of time. the last time we had a gap like this was in 1929 and that was the start of the great depression. here's the wages where they are
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and here's the corporate profits right there. you tell me, is this kind of new math or are we headed for the same thing? see, republicans, they scream, you can't raise taxes on the job creators, but they are more than willing to stick it to the middle class. the shrinking middle class in america that only the democrats seem to be paying attention to. you ever hear the republicans talk about the middle class? they don't. let me ask the republicans this. why do you think black friday sales were at an all-time record last week? what do republicans think are going to happen to the economy when they take extra spending away, extra money away from the 98% of americans? republicans are on the losing side of this popular opinion in this country. there's no question about it. it's a winner for the democrats. senator charles schumer told "the new york times" 2012 is going to be a lot different from 2010 for voters because, "jobs and income inequality are going to be the number one issue.
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simply cutting government isn't going to work." i totally agree. you know, i picked up the paper on thanksgiving morning and i read in "the new york times" an editorial, it said the poor, the near poor, and you. and i thought that this was so well written and so to the point because you couldn't -- you don't even have to be a news follower to follow this one, okay? it said loud and clear that one-third of americans, one out of every three americans, is living in poverty. we sit here bickering over a little bit of a tax cut, we sit here bickering over a little bit of an unemployment extension of benefits, but in the big, big picture, what are we going to do? where's the war on poverty? where's the big lift? where's the big idea to turn this whole thing around? what's so disheartening about it is if you can't get the republicans to the table to make real cuts and sacrifice one dime for the middle class in this country to help the treasury,
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how the heck are you going to pull a third of a country out of poverty? it's a heavy lift. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question is, is income inequality a winning issue for the democrats in 2012? text "a" for yes, "b" for no to 622639. always go to our blog at and we'll bring you the results later on in the show. new york senator charles schumer joins us tonight here on the program. senator, great to have you with us. >> good evening. >> i appreciate your due diligence on this issue. i know where you stand on it. you know, it's a winning issue for the democrats. the public is with you on these issues. are you confident the payroll tax holiday will be extended? >> i think it will be. i mean, look, we're getting a lot of opposition from our republican colleagues, but they're in a box and they're in a box for two reasons. the first reason is that many of them have supported this very payroll tax cut in the past. in fact, when the president was putting together a jobs program,
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he tried to have a mixture of things democrats had supported and republicans had supported and this is one republicans have supported and even recently people like marco rubio and mike simpson and you would maybe not believe this, but newt gingrich, have said nice things about the payroll tax cut. the second is this. the republicans have just spent three months both in the three months both in the super committee and fighting our jobs bills on the floor saying you cannot raise taxes on incomes over $1 million. well, they don't want to raise taxes on incomes over $1 million? the wealthiest 1% amongst us? and they want to raise taxes or are willing to raise taxes on the middle class, the average working family, the person in the suburbs making $100,000? gee whiz. that is such a loser politically that i believe that if we keep the heat on and keep focusing on this issue, which i'm trying to get us to do, they will fold. >> do you think the democrats need to sharpen the messaging on these issues?
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i mean, i show these charts. the income inequality, it's there. i go out on the road. i hear it all across this country. it would seem to me that if you hammer that home, you're going to win big-time in 2012. is this the issue the democrats are going to jump on? >> yes, i think it is. i mean, look, there's a salient fact, the number one fact, and your charts showed it, is for the last decade median income has declined. it's the first, it's the first decade since world war ii where that has. and the middle class people feel that the american dream, which is very simple, it says if you work hard, the odds are very high you'll do better ten years from now than you're doing today and your kids will certainly do better than you. the middle class for the first time, for the first time in american history, is wondering, is that dream still true? >> yeah. >> what they want, frankly, is they want help. they want -- yes, they are upset about government paralysis. the republican party has it all wrong. it's not that they think -- the tea party has it all wrong, too.
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it's not that they think government's doing too much. government's doing too little to help them. >> what are the democrats prepared to give up to get this extension for unemployment benefits to americans, to get this payroll holiday extension? what would the democrats be willing to negotiate? i mean, the republicans obviously aren't going to sit there and say, hey, okay, let's extend this, and what do you say we throw out more unemployment benefits if? >> the logical things to do, the republicans and democrats frankly, say they don't want to do these things unpaid for. now, traditionally, when you're trying to stimulate the economy, and we all know it's flat, you do it unpaid for. though we have a serious budget deficit we have to deal with, you do that over a ten-year period but immediately you pump money into the economy to get it pumped up. >> they say you have to pay for it. they never said it for the war in afghanistan or iraq or the
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bush tax cuts or the medicare prescription drug bill in the last ten years. now they're saying, you have to pay for it. we're willing to look at how they would pay for it. and we're open to that. we're open to that. let me tell you this, ed, this is a sharp-edged issue that shows basically fundamental hypocrisy and fundamental focus on the very people, god bless them, i'm glad they made a lot of money, i'm not one of these people who goes out and exploriates the rich. i think it is part of america. but these are the people who have done the best and they are focused on them and not on the middle class. they know it is a loser. >> i don't know how we're going to have an economic recovery if we don't have a thriving middle class. >> you know, here's the issue -- >> if we don't have families with disposable income, i don't know how it's going to turn around. >> you're so right. ed, here's how we do it. the image, the message carries itself. it's pretty simple and pretty easy. you don't need slogans or anything like that. they'll help. we have to keep at it. it is very difficult in this new world we're in with everything
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swirling about and there's so many different outlets. if we just do it once or just do it twice, the cognizanty will hear us but no one else. if you keep at it, it will work. that's why i'll give you a very good number for democrats in the house and senate. in june, when cut canning government was still in the senate, they asked people the most important question you can ask as to whether we'll keep the senate in 2012, that is, do you prefer generically a republican or democrat controlled senate? 37-31 republican in june. by october 15th when we started focusing on jobs, even though we didn't pass -- we passed one or two of them, but we focused on it, it's now 45 democrat, 41 republican. that margin is going to grow greater for us if we focus on an issue like this. >> i want to talk more about the payroll tax holiday. this is senator kyl. he says the payroll tax holiday is threatening social security. take a listen. >> yeah, that's -- >> the problem here is that the payroll tax doesn't go into general revenue. it supports social security.
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you can't keep extending the payroll tax holiday and have a secure social security. >> senator, your response to that. >> well, first, you know, i like senator kyl as a person and we've worked together on some issues, but gee whiz, he has never been at the front of the line defending social security. that's a bogus argument. and here's why. there's a social security trust fund. it gets money that comes into it. it can come from the payroll tax, but here for every dollar we reduce the payroll tax, we put a dollar in from the general fund. in our case, we pay for that by increasing taxes on incomes over $1 million. but to the trust fund, itself, it doesn't matter where the dollar comes from, as long as it gets the same amount of dollars. and the social security trust fund after the payroll tax cut passes will have the exact same amount in it as if it didn't. as then before. >> senator, good to have you with us tonight. keep up the fight. thanks so much.
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>> you too. you framed it very well this the first five minutes of the show. >> i appreciate it, sir. thank you so much. >> thank you, bye-bye. remember to answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen and share your thoughts on twitter with the #edshow. i want to know what you think. coming up, a liberal legend is calling it quits. congressman dennis kucinich on barney frank's leaving the senate. the pizza man is serving up for deep dish. herman cain wraps up an early christmas gift for newt gingrich and mitt romney. we'll have an exclusive on the petition figure out on the walker recall in wisconsin. it's a big number, so stay tuned. coming up on "the ed show," barney frank announces his retirement and takes one more eo
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coming up on "the ed show," barney frank announces his retirement and takes one more swipe at republicans. his colleague dennis kucinich is here with reaction. new allegations against herman cain. a woman claims she had a 13-year affair with him. the latest on that. along with newt's big new hampshire endorsement. and the dnc's latest hit on mitt romney. liz cheney says president obama's re-election strategy is
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let the economy tank? an "ed show" exclusive out of wisconsin, the scott walker recall efforts later in the show. keep the tweets coming. we want to hear from you. share your thoughts on twitter with #edshow and we'll feature them on the screen throughout the show tonight and every night. yeah. all right, i'll be right back. okay. ♪ [ male announcer ] sometimes the giving can be just as amazing as the gift. what do you think? [ laughs ] ♪ [ male announcer ] the lexus december to remember sales event is here, but only for a limited time. see your lexus dealer for exclusive lease offers on the 2012 ct 200h and, as a gift from lexus, we'll make your first month's payment. i've tried it. and, as a gift from lexus, but nothing's helped me beat my back pain. then i tried this. it's salonpas. this is the relief i've been looking for.
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salonpas has 2 powerful pain fighting ingredients that work for up to 12 hours. and my pharmacist told me it's the only otc pain patch approved for sale using the same rigorous clinical testing that's required for prescription pain medications. proven. powerful. safe. salonpas. welcome back to "the ed show." the democrats are losing a great one. a leader who righties just love to hate is retiring. congressman barney frank of massachusetts announced he will not run for re-election in 2012 after more than 30 years of
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service. congressman frank had long planned to retire by 2014, but decided to leave two years sooner for many reasons. one factor was the effect redistricting would have on his constituency. >> there were other issues that i worked on that would either become politically irrelevant or diminished. i don't want to be torn between a full-fledged campaign in a district with 325,000 new people and my obligation to the existing constituents. >> frank has been a major advocate for progressive causes for three decades. he's been a lily effective legislator. president obama was able to claim sweeping financial reform because of the dodd/frank bill which included major new consumer protections. but today, frank was clear about the obstacles of getting anything done in the current congress. >> the leverage you have within the government has substantially diminished. the anger in the country, the
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currents of opinion are such that the kind of new york that i are have felt best at is not going to be as productive for the foreseeable future. >> congressman frank was as blunt as ever in characterizing today's republican lawmakers. >> it consists half of people who think like michele bachmann and half of people who are afraid of losing a primary to people like michele bachmann and that leaves little ability to work things out. >> and frank had a few words for former speaker newt gingrich who recently said frank should be thrown in jail. >> i did not think i had lived a good enough life to be rewarded by newt gingrich being the republican nominee. it still is unlikely, but i have hopes. >> let's bring in congressman from ohio dennis kucinich. good to have you with us tonight. thanks so much. >> good do be with you, first we say thank you, barney, for your courage, outspokenness and sense of humor which is uncommon in washington.
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>> what has he meant to the progressive caucus causes over the years? how powerful has he been? how influential? >> well, you can -- you know, a lot of attention has been paid to financial reform. let me tell you another area. barney frank has been a consistent critic of the extraordinary amount of money we spend in expansion of the department of defense, the military industrial complex. and, you know, this is a significant issue and will continue to be. he's someone who has famously been an advocate for civil rights for all. he has been able to demonstrate that there aren't any barriers in america, that where people can be who they are. he has a sense of integrity and authenticity which has been a beacon for millions of americans. that kind of a person is rare, and we all appreciate barney. we love barney. >> you know, congressman, i think there's a lot of liberals, progressives across the country tonight thinking, you know, darn it, we lost another great
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fighter. how big of a loss is this to democrats? >> it's a loss. barney frank has deep knowledge of the institution of congress and also of the legislative process. he's not going to be replaced. it's up to those of us who have the honor of continuing to serve in the congress to be able to keep drawing the lines and fighting the fights, particularly on those economic issues which are so important to the american people, as the kind that you discussed earlier in the show, ed, where you talked about the maldistribution of wealth in our society and it's getting more and more serious and certainly barney frank's voice continues to be needed. i think as he pointed out, there are other ways for him to be heard and we certainly will continue to hear from barney frank even as he leaves the institution. >> can he do more out of the congress? i mean, he described the climate. what it's like right now. how hard it is to get anything done. sounds like he's going to stay engaged. what do you think? >> barney frank has the kind of intellectual depth that any
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place he stands he'll be heard. and so it would be great if he was in the institution, but he's made a decision not to be. and when he leaves it's up to us to keep carrying on, but i think that outside the institution, barney frank is going to be heard from. and he should be. he's somebody who's very important to the debate in this country and i'm proud to call him a friend. i always appreciate the fact that years ago he came to cleveland and helped me get elected to congress. >> he said redistricting was not the cause of his decision, but it was a factor. i mean, is this just the unfortunate reality of it all? and, of course, raising the money, having to deal with another almost half million new constituents. what about that? >> i think that every incumbent knows that redistricting can subject any of us to the vicissitudes as washington called it. of public life.
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you serve a public constituency and to have it pulled out from under you with the change of a map. barney, no matter what kind of district he had, would have been formidable. he made a decision i think that all of us know him and love him respect and it's important for him and for jim and to all of his friends who will have a little bit more time to spend with him and he, as i said, i expect we'll be hearing from him and he'll continue to play a very important role as a spokesperson inside the democratic party about the path that the country can and should take toward a more economically just society. >> congressman frank said republicans are blocking implementation of financial reform. here it is. >> the republicans have refused to fund the agency we gave the power to do derivatives to. they are trying to block the independent consumer bureau. >> will financial reform lose its teeth with frank out of congress? what do you think? >> well, that's really going to depend on the makeup of the next congress. congressman frank, as chairman frank, he saw firsthand the ins and outs of a political system
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where, frankly, money rules. and he was able to rescue some important reforms, notably as you talked about earlier, consumer protection. but the -- the movement right now by those who are in charge is to try to nullify the gains that were made. so i think when he speaks about that, he -- there's no one who knows better about what kind of obstacles we face to be able to keep in place even modest financial reforms. >> ohio congressman dennis kucinich, always great to have you on the program, congressman. thanks so much for your time tonight. coming up, dick cheney's daughter liz cheney thinks president obama's re-election strategy involves high unemployment? i'll show her who's really rooting for a bad economy next. two football legends go at it. we have the video. you won't believe it. i've got play-by-play. come on. this is not a saturday night stroll in the park, is it? we're right back. ♪
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and in "psycho talk" tonight, liz cheney thinks she understands president obama's formula for success. according to liz, the president's strategy for re-election is to keep the economy in the ditch. >> the president of the united states has put no serious plan on the table for dealing with entitlements which is the biggest challenge that we face economically right now. the president of the united states i don't think made a single phone call to people on the super committee. i talked to one republican member of the super committee who said he reached out numerous times to the white house to say, we want a deal, we need a deal, and was completely given the back of his hand. there was no effort here. the president basically seems to have made the calculation that he's going to let the next 13 months of the american economy slide for the sake of his own, you know, political -- >> i'm not asking whether -- >> so it's all about cuts, then, it's not about creating jobs. in liz cheney's world, an incumbent president wants to go into a re-election fight with unemployment at 9%? and it's more important to talk about cuts?
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last time i checked, bad economy isn't so good for the guy in the oval office. by the way, the real reasons democrats refuse to accept the republican super committee deal is that, number one, it was rotten, it was no good and it was ridiculous. their compromise involved less than $300 billion in new revenue and it included an even bigger tax cut for the rich. again and again. president obama is not the one who wants the economy to slide. the republicans are the ones who have had their number one goal stated all along that they want to defeat president obama next year. no matter what it takes. republicans are the ones who oppose middle class tax cuts while they continue to fight for the 1%ers. republicans are the ones who have walked away from compromises again and again and again. and the only reason these jokers running for president on the republican ticket have any shot at all at winning is if it's a bad economy and it goes to double-digit unemployment. for liz cheney to say president obama wants the economy to get worse, so he can get re-elected, is just plain dumb "psycho talk." more trouble for herman
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cain. another accuser's come forward. another one? this time she says it was a 13-year consensual affair. that's next. and later, wisconsin governor scott walker is seeing the consequences of his anti-middle class policies. we have breaking news in an effort to recall the governor. stay with us. how can you get back pain relief that lasts up to 16 hours? with thermacare heatwraps. thermacare works differently. it's the only wrap with patented heat cells that penetrate deep to relax, soothe, and unlock tight muscles for up to 16 hours of relief. that's 8 hours while you wear it, plus an additional 8 hours of relief after you take it off. can your patch, wrap, cream or rub say that? so if you've got pain... get up to 16 hours of pain relief with thermacare. premier of the packed bag. you know organization is key... and so is having a trusted assistant.
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>> was this an affair? >> no, it was not. >> there was no sex? >> no. >> none? >> no. >> and if this woman says there is, she's lying? is that what you're -- >> well, wolf, let's see what the story is going to be. >> okay. the story is this. atlanta businesswoman ginger white says she had -- says she and cain had a 13-year affair. now, what's the definition of a affair? white says that cain flew her around the country and lavished her with gifts. >> it was pretty simple. it was uncomplicated. and i was aware that he was married and i was also aware that i was involved in a very inappropriate situation, relationship. >> two totally different sound bites, wouldn't you say? white says the affair ended about eight months ago before cain declared his candidacy. here's the report from waga. >> she showed us some of her cell phone bills that included 61 phone calls or text messages to or from this number starting with 678. she says it is herman cain's private cell phone. the calls were made during four different months. we texted the number and herman cain called us back. he told us he knew ginger white but said these are more false allegations. he said she had his number because he was trying to help her financially.
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that was the end of the call. >> cain denies having an inappropriate relationship with white, yet in a written statement, cain's attorney didn't deny anything. he said, "this appears to be an accusation of private alleged consensual conduct between adults, a subject matter which is not a proper subject of inquiry by the media or the public." let's bring in joan walsh, editor at large,, and dr. james peterson, director of africana studies and associate professor of english at lehigh university. great to have both of you with us tonight. i can't help but think christmas came early for newt gingrich on this one. joan, what do you make of this? does this really deep six his campaign for good? >> oh, i think it does, ed. i mean, look, it was already falling apart partly because of the other accusations and also because he's done an abysmal job on the campaign trail. but, you know, i was thinking today that the first -- i was on with you when the very first allegations broke in "politico"
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and we sat and we listened to herman cain's changing story in the course of that day. you kept showing clips. and at one point he started to claim that, perhaps, these women had been terminated or there was a work issue involved and i said to you, he better shut up because, you know, people are going to want to come out and tell their stories, and it turns out that part of why ginger white decided to tell her story today, she said, is because of the way these women had been demonized and treated like they had done something wrong. so i thought that was very interesting. his flailing and demonizing these people really backfired as a strategy. >> we know that newt gingrich is no saint. he's even admitted he's not the perfect candidate, but dr. peterson, how do you view -- could there be any recovery by herman cain after all of this? >> well, i would hope that people who have been following the campaign of herman cain
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don't need this particular scandal to understand that he's probably not the guy that we need to be running this country. i mean, there's a whole lot of substantive stuff and a whole lot of mishaps, foreign policy, his ridiculous 9-9-9 plan and his performances in the debate, in the national media. there are a lot of reasons why we shouldn't be supporting or voting for herman cain, but i also think this particular case is distinct. it's different from the sexual harassment. i don't know how you weigh those things out. this is somehow a little bit different in my eyes and my sense is, again, if this is what makes you not support herman cain, i don't know what folk have been watching up to this point. >> gingrich snacked a key endorsement from new hampshire's most influential newspaper "the union leader." here's what the paper's publisher had to say earlier. >> gingrich is going to have a better time in the general election than mitt romney. i think it's going to be obama's 99% versus the 1% and romney represents the 1%. >> that's quite a statement considering gingrich is using a
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line after credit at tiffany's and the money used as a historian giving advice to freddie mac. joan, where does this leave romney, gingrich, now that herman cain has got more problems? >> well, you know, i also -- in that clip where he, gingrich said that he's not perfect, he sort of compared himself to jesus christ and said only jesus is perfect, he also really took a hammer to newt -- excuse me, romney, on flip-flopping and saying he will never change his positions. my mouth dropped when i heard it on television, today, ed. as you and i have gone over again and again, he changed his position on individual mandate, changed his position on climate change, changed his position on five or six things partly because of the companies that he was representing. so this is really bold of him, and i think romney's got no choice but to fight back. >> well, the dnc came out with a
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four-minute web video ad showing all of romney's flip flops. how can conservatives feel good about voting for the guy after watching it? dr. peterson, i mean, where do you see this headed right now? is mitt romney in trouble? >> well, i think he is in trouble. i think gingrich, and don't forget about rick perry, will both benefit from the decline in herman cain, right? they will both benefit. that mean they will become stronger and robust challengers to the not mitt romney crown. gingrich has a lot to gain. he's also to me a little bit more scarier than some of these other republican candidates because gingrich is very smart, he's very, very crafty and very, very articulate when it comes to switching his positions, something a craft that romney has not quite yet perfected. >> back to herman cain for just a moment. he is now being judged i think by many americans as a liar. i mean, i think he lies. when does he hurt the republican brand, or should i say, does he add to it? when does he become an irrelevant candidate?
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joan? >> i think he's on the verge of irrelevance. it's pretty ironic this womanizing allegation is going to benefit newt gingrich who married two of his mistresses. >> wow. the thing about newt is, newt admitted it and like him or not, newt has made it part of his redemption story. he's a catholic now, ed, so he's been forgiven for those trespasses. >> these evangelical christians in iowa have a lot to think about, wouldn't you think, mr. peterson? >> i'm sorry, they're not afraid of hypocrisy. if you look at the track record and look at some of the most so so called religious folk across this country, there's been scandal. hypocrisy is nothing that folk are afraid of. remember herman cain brought a lot to the conservative right because he's black and presented himself a different way. they're prepared to make the tradeoff as he diminishes in the polls. >> his reputation is tarnished, now even to be on stage with the republicans at the convention. in my opinion.
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joan walsh, james peterson. great to have you with us tonight. two football legends reliving the good old days. you won't want to miss my play-by-play of this unbelievable fight. lots more coming up on wisconsin as well. you are watching "the ed show." we'll be right back. ♪ when your chain of supply ♪ goes from here to shanghai, that's logistics. ♪ ♪ chips from here, boards from there ♪ ♪ track it all through the air, that's logistics. ♪ ♪ clearing customs like that ♪ hurry up no time flat that's logistics. ♪ ♪ all new technology ups brings to me, ♪ ♪ that's logistics. ♪ yeah, i toog nyguil bud i'm stild stubbed up.
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tonight, it's always interesting when the old job straps get back together and relive the good old days. that was not the case on friday for two legends of the canadian football league. joe kapp who played for the vikings, and angelo mosco, defensive linemen, came to blows
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on stage at an alumni luncheon. let's go to the videotape. >> only qb in history of the game to play rose bowl and super bowl. please, the icons of the game, mr. angelo mosco. [ applause ] take a seat by angelo. maybe you can relive those moments. [ laughter ] >> sportsmanship.
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>> sportsmanship. let him go. let it go. i'm trying to let it go. >> well, joe kapp tried to hand him flowers, but, of course, that was rejected. this grudge goes back 40 years. -- 48 years to the 1963 gray cup. kapp is 73, mosco 74. right jab, follows up with the left hook. right there. eat that for lunch. hard to believe, isn't it? how come joe kapp didn't play that aggressive when he played for the vikings in the super bowl? it's a different story. the luncheon, by the way, was held to benefit work of the cfl alumni association. the work they've done for athletes with lingering side
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finally tonight, we have an "ed show" exclusive out of wisconsin. the chairman of the wisconsin democratic party will join me in just a moment with new information on the effort to recall union-busting governor scott walker. but first, i want to show you what scott walker's wisconsin looks like today. everybody in the media is talking about recall, recall, recall. these people ought to be taken out back, this is wrong, this is not the right thing to do. wait a minute. hold, hold, hold. time out. wisconsin leads the nation in cuts to education with $2.6 billion cut this year. now, if you lead the nation in something, you think people are going to be talking about it? walker is cutting more than a half a billion dollars from medicaid, which could leave 65,000 people without health coverage, including 30,000 kids.
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home for the holidays, huh? finally, walker promised to create 250,000 jobs by 2015. he ain't going to get it done with these numbers. but this year his state leads the nation in job losses. so when people say, well, why are they recalling this guy? you think? wisconsin has lost jobs every month since the state legislature passed scott walker's budget. now, i know that fact doesn't qualify for fox news, but damn it, it's out there, and the people think that losing 9,700 jobs last month in october is not a real good thing. this is why walker is being recalled. so in the midst of all the conversation, recall, recall, recall, everyone fired up about recalls, this is why they're doing it. i mean, the guy sucks. he's terrible. the people in wisconsin can't stand this guy. he's going in the wrong direction. because the middle class in wisconsin, it used to be very strong, and now they're out to prove that they still are.
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and the governor is feeling the heat. he has already spent $2 million on campaign commercials like this one featuring a teacher. here it is. >> i'm not big on recalls, and i think that at this point, in my opinion, i'm only speaking from i, it feels a little like sour grapes. it's, you know, we didn't get our way and so we want to change the outcome. the person that i'm going to stand behind and that is going to get my vote is the man or woman that says what they mean and means what they say, and it's not about being popular, it's not about getting the votes. this is what's right. scott walker said from the beginning, i'm going to do what's right for wisconsin, and he did. he did. >> scott walker did not do what's right for wisconsin. we can't be any more fair after me ripping on him and then playing that ad. he did what's right for the koch brothers and now he's dealing with the consequences. the recall effort i guess you could say is on a roll.
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with breaking news on the recall tonight, we bring in mike tate, chairman of the wisconsin democratic party. mike, good to have you with us tonight. what's the latest number. where are you right now? how many days, how many hours, how many signatures? where are you? >> well, we are -- tomorrow it will be two weeks so we're 13 days in and tonight in conjunction with our grassroots partner united wisconsin we're really proud to announce we've collected over 300,000 signatures in the first 13 days. we average about 1,040 signatures per hour. every hour of the day since we started this recall. so we are off to a tremendous start, and we're just getting started. >> so you're well on your way to getting enough signatures right now if you can keep the momentum, but you had the thanksgiving holiday. how much did that help? >> the thanksgiving holiday was tremendous for us. you know, it's the tradition gun deer hunt season here in wisconsin. we were at deer cleaning stations all over this state. we had a black friday plan where volunteers spread out and went to all the shopping malls and the targets and all the stores and got signatures from people waiting in line at midnight to get into the stores. this -- we have over 20,000
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volunteers out getting signatures for us. and i think it's important to note, ed, we aren't paying anyone to gather signatures. we have staff on the ground to help organize this. this is a huge grassroots volunteer-led citizen-driven effort and we're just so excited about it. >> the republicans are crying foul about the democratic petition drives in front of stores on black friday. they released this statement, the republicans did. "wisconsin democrats continue to show their complete and utter lack of shame as they take their baseless recall effort to the doorstep of private businesses, harassing their customers to engage in what is nothing more than a selfish power play to suit the ends of liberal special interests. should petition gatherers not leave the premises upon request, we encourage businesses to contact their local law enforcement." what do you make of this outcry of the republicans asking business owners to call the cops on your people who are out there getting signatures? >> well, look, the republicans
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have been running a campaign of intimidation and fear and trying to scare people into both not helping us get signatures and also not signing signatures. but you know, the folks from united wisconsin and the democratic party and all of our allies are, you know, we're stronger than that, ed. the republicans aren't going to scare us away from this recall. it's too important. >> walker is already campaigning to keep his job. what do you make of that? he's feeling the pressure. the democrats i understand haven't identified a challenger yet. >> we haven't and we don't plan on identifying a challenger until at least january. scott walker in the last 13 days spent over $2 million on television ads supporting him. i would be willing to bet he hasn't moved the needle one bit on support for him. this is a guy who has no faith in the future of wisconsin and absolutely must go. >> so the word tonight, officially, you have just over 300,000 signatures for the recall effort. you need 540,000. so in 13 days it sounds like you're well on your way. mike, good to have you with us tonight. we'll continue to follow the story.