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have raised taxes on millionaires. the alternative? lowering taxes on most businesses. president obama says fairness is a winning argument. this november, is it more the condition of the economy for an election issue? mitt, they're just not that into you. our o.r.c. poll says when it comes to being likeable, president romney beats him by 2-1. that may be the most important number you hear this entire campaign. 2-1 they like obama, not the other guy. what mitt romney had to say about this story that won't go away. shamus the dog on the car roof. let me finish with mitt romney's trash talk about the obamas needing to pack up. we begin with more on the secret service sex scandal. michael isikoff joins me right
now. what you got? >> this entire scandal that rocked the secret service erupted because of a pain and dispute of less than $60. basically what i've been told from sources today is 11 secret service agents who were down there, part of the secret service advance team, went to this strip club in cartagena, the ply club, and that's where they secure these women, bring them back to the hotel, register them as overnightç guests in t hotel, and the dispute arises because one woman was two agents, two members of the elite counter assault team. and what happened is i. full price tore two agents, they wanted to split the price. she complains to local police who are stationed at the hotel.
they go to the agents' room, bang on the door. they refuse to answer. the embassy dispatches people down, they immediately see that all 11 agents have brought back women as overnight guests to the hotel. all of this over a dispute of less. how systemic is. 20 to 21 women were involved, so maybe some of these guys -- although this one case they were sharing the women, apparently this is something to be something that rarely ever happens, they weren't hiding from their supervisors, they weren't hiding from each other. >> that's the critical thing. there's been stories up for years, wheels up the motto.
>> i've never heard it. >> i think it was sort of heard within secret service circles, but how much of this was certainly nothing of this scale has ever been. >> was tt congress tonight saying, who went around and make sure they had $200. this is for an overnight guest. they dant. one on each floor, i'm told. >> i always about quart git. suppose this guy. suppose they hadn't disspirited. would there be any investigation? no. in other words, it would just go
on. >> exactly. that's the amazing thing about this. one colombian prostitute protests over how much she's being paid and it rocks. we're now joined by pierce king of the new yorkers. i always ask you to grab any questions first. >> it it. that's something that cannot be -- these women could be trained operatives, we're coming in to drug them, to get information, to steal things from them. cannot be allowed to happen, even whether
or not they're prostitutes, bring a control back. >> do you think there was a real chance ta one of these women, professional sex workers, i guess they're called these days. . blackmailing them, threatening them. i think, chris, with everything. . they have to question them to find out exactly if they have any underworld connections, if they have any organized crime connection, if they have any terrorist connections. so again, it appears we may have dukd a bullet on this one but it's something that cannot be allowed to happen.
>> your colleagues have the right to raise questions about whether the president was put to risk, the same question they put to you. here's elijah cummings of maryland telling andrea mitchell today that there were real concerns by now. let's watch? >> in my travels throughout my history, one of the questions is, and i got to tell you, this puts a big question. they were with me saying the president was per. fufç secret service agents the and you've got guests in your room, let alone prostitutes, they have ammunitions. so the -- how did they make such
i swift. just talking about this is a regular person and you're a regular person as well. i just haurt these. he'll meet the girl of his dremz. is durnz as the age of the soviet union. in this case our men went out, solicited these professional sex workers, brought them all back in practically a care van. have you ever been to determine whether this was a -- i was with men can be men, humans can be hijz. in the previous administration, nobody has a reason to be defending, in the obama administration -- and this has
nothing to do with the obama administration. people in previous administrations who have no reason defending anyone. they're certainly not aware of this going on, certainly, in largers companies, and we do know that as of now there was no compromise or threat to the president's s certainly could have been. >> so a dozen guys go out to a club, it's a strip club. this strip club had an added feature, they had professional sex workers available on-site who lived there. they took these women back with them to their hotel, they checked them in as overnight guests. one gets into a dispute with one of the agents over payment. one question is, is this systemic, and number two, did anything happen that might jep jeopardize our security. >> as far as interviewing those
women, as far as finding out, these women at the club, were they waiting for these guys or did you just happen to go there to pick up women? were they targeting these women? secondly, as to whether or not it's epidemic. i don't believe it is, but that's one of the things. i have tremendous respect for the secret service, i work with them closely, they do a phenomenal job -- >> that's my question, were they entrapped? >> no, these are big boys. they can't afford to be entrapped. they can't allow themselves to be entrapped. that's why they're secret service agents. you and i have weaknesses. maybe that's why i'm not. when you're on a mission like this, your job is to protect the president of the united states. ronald reagan jumped in front of
bullets. that's what the secret service is there for. they do their job almostç halfy at the time. >> i'm with you. i've seen "in the line of fire" about ten times and i like who clint eastwood played in the movie. >> did you approve of the action of the guys in one of the service? >> he made quick moves. he ordered the men back to where he was this has just been agory man, let me tell you. >> the next thing you ordered them back out of the country. in 30, 45 years in the strat service, i'm going to take
notice of that. >> homeland securities committee chairman. coming up, president obama is betting on fairness campaign. is he right or is it more important to talk about the state of the economy and will that trump even fairness with some voters? this is "hardball." that's good morning, veggie style. hmmm. for half the calories plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8. it was in my sister's neighborhood. i told you it was perfect for you guys. literally across the street from her sister. [ banker ] but someone else bought it before they could get their offer together. we really missed a great opportunity -- dodged a bullet there. [ banker ] so we talked to them about the wells fargo priority buyer preapproval. it lets people know that you are a serious buyer because you've been credit-approved. we got everything in order so that we can move on the next place we found. which was clear on the other side of town. [ male announcer ] wells fargo. with you when you're ready to move.
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back to "hardball." it's no surprise that cnet republicans blocked the debate on one of the key campaigns this year. it's the buffett law. president obama says it's about economic fairness in order to get millionaires and billiona e billionaires to pay a tax just like the rest of us. what happens to be a piece of legislation to put the president's opponent, mitt romney, on the defensive. he's a 1% senator if there ever was one. romney had a tax rate last year of less than 14%. a guy worth a quarter of a billion dollars paying less than
14. it's a nbc distributor has won the prize this year. he's also an msnbc contributor. do you want to pay tribute while you're on, the new kids on the block, the future of american journalists? >> did feinman win the poll? >> no, i give him credit because he's a great man generally. i'm just teasing him to start this thing. it looks like companies are banking, howard, on them to take a fall in the so-called sec dip, they've got a new shot. the president wants people to be prepared to have some of their argumentç to make.
>> the when this economy booms, they don't it. >> yeah, they don't need it if the economy booms. they're trying to basically keep the other boat from getting in the presidential boat. it's going to say mitt romney is uniquely unqualified because he he wants? >> well, he'd look like a fat cat, and it benefits from the unfairness of the goem away from the current economic conditions, to the notion that the whole why. the main superpack supporting the president started with new ads this week attacking romney
questioning romney himself on this very. >> now that they're. we don't divideç at well 'is. we're nation. . these are the times when people of different backgrounds and different experiences need to come together. >> the fairness concern about envy? >> i think it's unfair this president has been in office 3.5 years and 93% of the people who have lost their jobs has been women. >> the statistics don't quite hold up for me near.
that was the best way out in the end. you should have got into that earlier. but the obama campaign may be thinking of little. that brings the narrative of who mitt romney is who is a rich guy and not paying much taxes. what they may be missing is it's not a great idea for any democrat, even this democrat, to spend all of his first three weeks of the general election, which is what it is, talking about raising taxes. now, i know what the polls show, and i know that there is 7 #% support for the buffett rule, meaning 70% limited taxation. that's true as far as it goes, but i. about democrats, what.
>> you canç ask people all ind of. yeah. i voted on whether my kids could get a job or not. >> you think you can bigamy feet on the sex sef p. there were pre-conceived noegz that one party tend to do. republicans here have changes when the debate is. the buffett rule is clearly an example, but i did. using a sports metaphor, they're purposely kind of going into the
gym of the other team. now, they think that this old dynamic that you can't win on taxes is wrong, that democrats can win now because it's about fairness and it's not about higher or lower. but i would say go back and look historically. democrats. any extended pri historic time on tax policy. one reason, if the numbers don't. is that they have a candidate in. they see it all. >> perfect for this campaign except i'm not sure if it'sç t democrats. skrut skrutly. they would come out in their coy boy boots and fight the i
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having an accident, if you will, on the roof of their car during that long road trip to montreal. take a look at what they told nbc science earth. >> would you do it again? >> certainly not with the attention it's received. >> you said it's the most wounding thing in the campaign so far. >> the dog loved it, but the dog got sick, right? >> once. we traveled all the time and he ate the turkey on the counter. he had the runs. >> the dog loved it. i still have a hard time believing that one. yeah, put me on the roof. next, caught up with newt gingrich at the nascar hall of fame this weekend. he wanted to talk about a run-in with an animal during a recent trip of his to the zoo. >> i got bit by a penguin. i went to the st. louis zoo and i got bit by a penguin. so i went off to the zoo forç while.
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weekend, but it's tremendous. it's not a giant doorstop of a book. you can actually read it in a few days and learn something. right, left and center, hell of a book, and i mean it. beautifully written. have you written any books lately? >> no, not lately. >> i'm sure it would be great. she heads the bernard center for women. anybody out there can decide this. both mitt romney and ann romney seemed to exude overconfidence last night with that interview with diane sawyer on nbc. here's what mitt said he would say to the president of the united states. let's listen. >> startç packing. that's what i'd like to say, obviously. we have a very different view. the president, i'm sure, wants another four years, but the first years didn't go so well. >> i got to know michelle, she's a lovely person. i've never met barack obama, but
i believe it's mitt's time. i believe that the country needs the kind of leadership that he is going to be able to offer, and i believe he is the person that can turn around this economy. so i think it's our turn now. >> our turn, it's his time. what is this, prince charles? i mean, you just wait your turn? mitt romney, just wait your turn and you'll get the job. this entitlement. it just strikes me as entitlement. >> it looks like entitlement, if by every stretch of the imagination, there is nothing whatsoever that mitt romney has shown us yet that indicates he has any idea of what it is to be humble. and that's a huge problem. he needs to be humble, he needs -- >> but he ain't. you're giving campaign advice. by the way, nobody can be told to be humble, you either are or you aren't.
>> well, indicate that you are. at least try. >> how do you think this is going to help his likeability rating now that he's said it's time for the president of the united states to pack up. >> not at all. the diane sawyer interview was exactly why people don't like mitt romney. how many times during that interview did you watch him sort of spin his way around ai question? talking to mitt romney is a little like playing with a ball of mercury. when you were a kid, you had like a little ball of mercury you would get -- >> i just had balloons and things. >> you would poke it
>> he's trying to be on one, but this is his definition of being charming. it's a huge problem. >> did he laugh after saying pack your bags? >> he laughed after saying pack your bags, but he doesn't say anything positive about the president. >> among those who say they'll vote for mitt romney, the poll asked them why they are doing it. are they for romney or against president obama? this is it. 63% of romney followers say they're simply voting against the other guy and not for the guy. 63! they want a bouncer. they don't want a president. they want a guy that will clear the other guy out, but don't they realize they're going to get him in the bargain, ron. they're getting him. >> that's absolutely true.
the best thing romney has going for him is there is a certain segment of the supublican party that will vote for anybody except barack obama. beyond that, you have a real problem. and he seems to be totally, totally tone deaf about his wealth and how that relates to other people. here are some words that you should never say if you're running for president of the united states. austrian warm blood and dressage. >> how about driving the bus and describing the poor people as marvelous. >> chris, could you go back to that number, though? if you look at the poll we're talking about, barack obama beat mitt romney by double digits on likeability, honesty, confidence, values leadership, every characteristic you can think of, but yet there is still part of the population that's going to say, i hate barack obama so much, i don't even think it's the economy.
i hate barack obama. >> i do think there are a lot of people conserved about the economy. by the way, if you want to hear a real love song here, here's rick santorum. he told supporters, by the way, if a conference call yesterday, quote, as far as how you vote, well, that's up to you. i haven't supported any candidate so that's really up to you. here is a real love song from boehner, speaker of the house, who is head of the republican party of the congress. here he is remaining somewhat neutral. he has formally done it without a thrill. let's listen to this loveless marriage, i would call it, but here it comes. >> it's clear now that mitt õ nominee. i think mitt romney has a set of economic policies that can put americans back to work, and frankly, contrasts sharply with the failed economic policies of
president obama. and i will be proud to support mitt romney and do everything i can to help him win. >> what do you think of that? ron reagan. >> his heart was really in that, wasn't it? you could just feel the excitement brewing inside of john boehner as he talked about mitt romney. mitt romney elicits a collective "eh" from the public. and he will throughout the election. >> running against romney's father he was palenta. >> he's got a gender gap, he's got a latino gap, he's got an african-american gap. what's left? >> white guys. >> white guys over 55. >> i know you're somewhere in
the middle. if you heard this guy and you have what you have and you can't fake it this is the only thing i think deke. all he can do is play on anti-incumbents and really give people more reasons not to vote for barack obama because there are not enough reasons to vote for mitt romney. that's all he has left. >> so heç says, even i am bett than this guy. anyway, thank you, ron reagan, and thank you, michelle bernard. coming up a little bit later, who does mitt romney think he is to tell the president of the united[ states to start packing this is "hardball." i'll have more on this. ssers that offer better highway fuel economy than the chevy equinox? no, sorry, sir. we don't. oh, well, that's too bad. [ man ] kyle, is that you? [ laughs ] [ man ] still here, kyle.
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we're back and it used to be a big thing about the hoover dam. the latest example of our national election to do anything comes from the governor chris christie who çinfamously stopp the construction of a couple tunnels between new york and new jersey saying his state couldn't afford the price. a new ga proreport came out las week calling into question christie's numbers demonstrating his proposed frugality. how can this country survive with a 19th century or 20th
century infrastructure. republican strategist joe walsh and msnbc analyst joan. i know you're raring to go. you have the toughest fight here. new york and new jersey are connected. it's impossible to separate them unless you don't do the job of making it happen. this is the megapolis, the very center of our country. there is a traffic jam every damn night. you can't get through there. it makes perfect sense to put in a tunnel and christie says, we can't afford it. it turns out it's only about 14% of the state's share, not the 70% he claimed. >> well, you know -- >> let me go with pete first, play defense here. >> go, pete, go. >> i'll be at offense, because if you look at the facts, the federal government did the estimates on the project. in 2007, they said it it would cost 7.4 billion. >> but what's the state's share? >> the federal government said
their investment will be capped at $3 billion. so the high end of the estimate is 14 billion. so if the federal government caps at 3 billion, the bulk of the share is share is new jersey. new york isn't puttingç in its share- >> but independent came out and set 1 in 7. it's 14. >> but the transportation administration did an estimate. they said this would cost upwards of 14 million -- >> what is the plan with united new jersey and new york with traffic, which has to be done. the traffic is building and building everyday. there are not let trucks, less cars, and less trains. yn grow. this country growing. why starve it? why is he starving his state? >> i don't think he is starving his state. >> how do you get to new york? >> we can't afford -- >> we can't afford for new jersey to go to new york. how can you say that? let me go to joan. my philosophy is that we
developed as a country because there is a smart rerepublic of private enterprise. but they couldn't have gotten around the country without railroad. couldn't have gotten around without the highway system that ike put in. things have to be done for private sector activities to occur. like a truck can't go down a road if there is no road there. >> if there's no road. that's right. >> or a tunnel. >> or a tunnel. since this is a political show, i also want it say, you know, i think chris christie really damaged his brand here. because one of the things i know you praised about him, chris, is that he is supposed to be a straight talker. this no bs guy. but the goa report çshow-the governor just, more thaj
exaggerated. he said they would be on the hook for a whole lot more than they were. >> i'm sorry, joan. let's let him defend himself. here he is defending himself against building the tunnels, after the report was released. arguing the new jersey taxpayers would be stuck with the bill while new yorkers got a free ride. let's watch. >> so when they want it build a tunnel to the basement of macy's and stick the new jersey taxpayers with a bill of $3 to $5 billion over. no matter how much the administration yells and screams, you have to say no. you have to look them right in the eye no matter how much they try to vilify you for it, and you have to say no. you have to be willing to say no to the things that compromise your principles. >> he is out there defending his move, to shift the money to keep the lower gas tax down. but what good is the lower gas tax if you can't get what you have to get. >> look, we have to figure out
some way out to build infrastructure. in indiana, which is where i live, we have done public-private partnerships. over $3 billion has -- >> have you ever been through the lincoln or holland tunnel. >> yes, i have. >> what have you notice bed it at rush hour? >> well, i'm not usually driving so i'm not looking around. it's crowded. >> how do you get there except by car. >> a cab to the airport. >> what do you do about the fact that our whole economy is hardening of the arteries because we don't modernize. because things aren't able to grow? >> look, we need to find, as i said, we need to find way to do this. i know there isç talk about hybrid and electric technology. guess what? those cars aren't paying gasoline tax if they aren't putting gas in their cars. we need to look long-term but we also can't afford to put the bill on -- >> you know any building, right into the building of the great depression, the empire state building. >> thatd right, al smith put it
up in 1930 in 13 months. >> what would you have said. >> we need to look the our house, chris. >> thank you very much. lost the argument tonight. joan and i won this one because it is about the future and you won't want us to grow. pete, thanks you. you're a good spokeman for w. when we return, let me fin wish mitt romney's trash talk about president obama. imagine saying this, really dignified, start packin [ female announcer ] lactaid milk is easy to digest. it's real milk full of calcium and vitamin d. and tastes simply delicious.
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let me finish tonight with this. what sort of person do you think would tell the president of the united states, elected by the american people, to start packin'? is this some middleweight boxer mouthing off, some trash talking opposing quarterback? sorry, mitt. it's nothing of the sort. and this jieb is beneath a major party for president. just when you've got the nomination sewn up, you start talking like a hot shot. and it remind us that not of the true street corner hot shot but of the public personality we've come come to recognize in you, mitt romney, the last several months. the guy who likes firing people. the guy wh drags about his wife% having a couple of cadillacs. the guy whether finds budget plans to cut programs for poor people marvelous. it's entitlement. it's the belief, well, w. had it. that he is from some ruling class that needs to merely wait a bit to get what's coming to him, as the romney's see it,
their turn. i wonder if people are going to like this. i notice that those backing mitt romney are doing it to get rid of president obama. they don't like him, they just care about who does the dirty work of getting rid of obama. have we ever elected a bouncer as president? someone whose chief mission is to defeat the person now there. have we ever lowered the bar so low in terms of personality and vision that we have been ready to send someone to the white house just to remove the other guy? is it that bad that republicans can get excited about a presidential candidate so low in true personal esseem to, yet so heavy with entitlement to suggest his main claim of the office is to get rid of the current occupant. well, start packing. what a line. and what a low level offered here and the high level of what's being demand pepd elect me, a, because it'll get rid of obama. b, because i'm entitled to it. gee, can't wait for this guy.