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making all the noise. that's "hardball" for now. "the ed show" starts now. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" tonight. mitt romney says he supports education. i thought he supported ryan plan that cuts pell grants by $170 billion. we'll sort it out. >> congress needs to keep interest rates on student loans from doubling. >> the president is leading and mitt romney is following. >> i fully support the effort to extend the low interest rate on student loans. >> van jones of rebuild the dream on the progressive movement to end the war on the poor. another big brand dumpbs alec and now they may have a problem with the i.r.s. robert greenwald is here to
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explain. bill o' reilly joins the scare. tonight former labor secret robert reich is here to respond. artest drives. fired up. >> the player formally known as ron artest is in big trouble over this assault. should he be tossed from the league forever. >> i got real emotional. real excited. it was unfortunate that james had to get hit with unintentional elbow. good to have you with us tonight. the next big political battle between mitt romney and president obama is under way. the focus is on young voters. this weekend president obama
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picked a fight with republicans who want to let student loan interest president obama is facing an enthusiasm gap among young people. romney needs to convince young people that he is the guy for them and he's ons their side. republicans know it.
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mitch daniels said you have to campaign to govern. look at everything through the lens of folks that have yet to achieve. romney doesn't talk that way. daniels was asked what he really meant by those words on fox news sunday. >> as things go along i want to encourage him to express these very same principles more often from the standpoint of the young, the poor, those whose have yet to start up the ladder of life. it's the very same principles but aimed in a slightly different way, and i know he'll do that. >> today he took the advice to heart. he said young voters have no choice but to support him. >> i think young voters in this country have to vote for me if they're thinking about what's in the best interest of the country and their personal best interest. the president's policies have led to extraordinary statistics. 50% of the kids coming out of college today can't find a job or can't find a job which is
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consistent with their skills. >> romney is so fired up to win over young voters, he's willing to break way from his own party and side with president obama when it comes to student loans. watch romney remember his new left leading philosophy after he starts to walk away. >> okay. thank you. one thing i want to mention. there's one thing i wanted to mention that i forgot to mention at the beginning. that was with the number of college graduates that can't find work or that can only find work well beneath their skill level, i fully support the effort to extend the low interest rate on student loans. there was some concern that that would expire halfway through the year. i support extending the temporary relief on interest rates. >> of course, romney's
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pro-education position is not just at odds with republican party. it's at odds with mitt romney. he supports paul ryan's budget which would cut pell grants by $170 billion. it would also double student loan interest rates. mitt, which one is it. he was overheard saying the department of education, i will either consolidate with another agency or make it a heck of a lot smaller. will the real mitt romney stand up on education. romney's proposed budget would tleed massive cuts for poor and disabled americans. it's ugly. we'll have more on that later in the program. as president obama points out, republicans like mitt romney are pushing policies to benefit the super wealthy at the expense of people like struggling students. >> republicans in congress have voted against new ways to make college more affordable for middle class families while voting for new huge tax cuts. tax cuts that would have to be
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paid for by cut things like education and job training programs that give students new opportunities to work and succeed. >> he is a product of benefits from opportunities provided by government education programs. >> somebody gave me an education. i wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. michelle wasn't. somebody gave us a chance. just like these folks up here are looking for a chance. >> president obama also had a strong commitment to education. he wants people fo reach their full potential and the government can help americans do just that especially in this demographic. mitt romney on the other hand is a total phony when it comes to standing up for public education. romney knows this is his only chance to get the young voters away from president obama is to say the president has failed them. the story here tonight is this. mitt romney out on the campaign trail today is saying that he's
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in favor of extentding the low interest loans. he sides with the president. mitt, call up republican leadership in the house and the senate tonight and tell them to side with president obama when it comes to student loans because you don't want to see the rates doubled come july 1st. you know you're not going to do it. get your cell phones out. is mitt romney trying to fool young voters by siding with the president on student loans? text a for yes. text b for no. you can go to our blog and leave a comment there. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. i'm joined by evvan jones. president of rebuild the dream. good to have you with us tonight. this really should be breaking news. mitt romney is with president obama on student loans. what do you make of this move? >> this is a big deal.
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you had every kid in america that's said to graduate from high school staring down the barrel of 6.8% of interest rates on the most important student loans and nobody doing anything about it. young people started screaming about it. the young people from rebuild the dream and other groups. the president listened and said this has got to stop. banks are getting their money for next to nothing. why should kids go from 3.4 to 6.8%. $20 billion out of the pockets of the next eight million kids. it's wrong. he stands up. mr. marvelous, mr. mitt romney saying the ryan budget is mafb louse even though it destroys the pell grants flip-flops and chases obama toward the young people saying me too, me too. phony, phony, phony. the reality is that he's got a problem with his party now
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because the most important republican on this issue virginia fox just last week said she doesn't care about these young people. the quote is, she's tired of hearing kids with $80,000 worth of loans complaining about it. there's no excuse for it. she just said it last week. he's running away from his party toward the president. can he drag his party? thank you for following the leadership. will you distance you're from virginia fox. will you stand with the hundreds of thousands of young people saying virginia fox should apologize. where are you now mr. mitt romney? are you going to flop back when you hear your party is not with you? >> this is obviously a political stunt by mitt romney. if he adheres and sfoupport the ryan budget, it does cut pell grants. this is a trick to try to hoodwink young people that don't
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know the full story it has to be. you love the ryan budget. you hugged, you kissed it. you said it was marvelous. you can't have it both ways. here is the big take away here. when the young people in america stand up for themselves, it moves the whole country. other groups started moving on this. the president listened. the president is now listening to the young people. romney is listening to the president. thank you romney for following the president's leadership. >> this may be another etch a sketch moment, but there's an enthusiasm gap that's out there. what do you make of the 20% difference from 2008 to where it is right now and romney is playing to their fears and saying you got to vote for him. what about that gap? >> i think the young people in america learned the hard way, you can't get everything you want just by voting. they can learn that if they vote
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wrong, they can lose everything that they have got. that's the problem. you've got to keep marching, protesting, being involved. we did see a little bit of an activism gap for a couple of years. i will tell you this, you can't get everything you want just by voting one time. if you vote for the wrong person, you can lose everything you got. this guy wants to destroy the pell grants. that's his real position. >> you think he wants to eliminate pell grants? >> you all but eliminate it whn you that i can that kind of bite out of it. we're the only country making it harder for our kids to get educated. you either have good manufacturing jobs or you send a bunch of kids to college. we already lost the manufacturing jobs. you got to make it easier to go to college. this guy was saying how marvelous it was that we were going to take a big chunk out of
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pell grants. >> you're convinced that president obama will dominate in this demographic? >> there's no doubt about that. i hope the president and the d.c. democrats understand that taking young people's vote for granted and not doing all we can, we should have had a jobs program. you got young people that are desperate to work. they are coming home from wars and graduating from college with a ton of debt. we should have done more. we have to do more now. on this issue you have to applaud this white house and you have to recognize that when obama is chasing obama down the street saying me too, me too, his leadership test is can you bring your party along. >> thank you so much. remember to answer tonight's question. share your thoughts on twitter on ed show. we want to know what you think. mitt romney said he's not concerned about the very poor and as his proposed budget reveals, the guy is not lying. the obama campaign will weigh in. also another major company
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welcome back. the war on the poor is real, and i will continue to cover this and just show you night after night where their budget priorities are. take a look at mitt romney's propose ed budget. he believes the working poor, you're just not doing enough. the candidate himself admitted giving opportunities to the poor are not a priority for him. >> i'm not concerned about the very poor. we have safety net there. if it needs repair, i'll fix it. >> he doesn't want to repair the safety net. e intended to destroy it. the romney plan is light on specifics but promises to bring federal spending below 20% of the gdp by the end of his first term. romney outlines on his website that he will cut the federal work force by 10%, privatize amtrak, cut foreign aid and eliminate federal money for
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family planning. those cuts won't get romney to his spending goal. romney says he will protect current social security and medicare recipients from cuts. he also wants to increase the budget for the defense department. what for? i thought we were scaling down. how exactly will reduce spending? what will be on the chopping block? as an analysis from the associated press reveals, plenty. there's education. there's transportation. there's food inspection. that's going to get cut. the fbi will see a smaller budget. homeland security. we used to be concerned about that. grants to local governments, national parks. crop sub sidies and nasa is always in the way. romney is just getting warmed up. he would save the really big wrecking ball for the disabled and very poor in this country. medicaid, romney wants to kill
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it by taking it over to the states in the form of a block grant program. do you trust your republican state legislature to take care of medicaid? he also is going after housing and heating subsidies for the poor. food stamps and school lunches. they've always been a big problem. supplemental security income for the poor seniors in our society and disabled people. unemployment insurance. let's not forget veteran's pensions. i thought hay loved the vets and refundable tax credits to the working poor. i tweeted about this over the weekend and said, asking more of the poor is like asking a wounded vet to do more. i meant it. do you know what it's like to be poor? do you know what it's like to be financially destitute and not have a whole lot of avenues and this is what mitt romney wants to do. he wants to take out the safety net. he wants to change people's lives. if you tax a millionaire just a
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little bit more, you're not going to change their lifestyle. the kind of cuts he's talking about will change the lifestyle of people that depend on the safety nets and need them every day. let's turn to ben, national press secretary for obama 2012 campaign. good to have you with us tonight. >> nice to be with you. >> this is really, i think, a big political opening for the democrats. all you have to do is look at their budget and see how many millions of people this will affect. your thoughts. >> budgets are about choices and values and who we are as a nation. you outline many of the devastating cuts not just for the poor but the middle class if we pass the romney-ryan budget. let's think about who he is protecting. he'll giving special breaks to the wealthiest americans. $4 billion in subsidies to oil and gas companies and special tax breaks to hedge fund
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managers. the poor, the middle class, senior, veterans, the rest of us here in america are being saddled with the cost of this. >> he wants to cut, and it's the only way i can read it, he wants to cut veterans benefits. he wants to hurt seniors when it comes to medicaid because you know when you turn it over to the states and there's no federal protection that's going to be coming from the congress, you'll have 50 different programs out there and it will hurt a bunch of seniors in a bunch of states. >> to make his math work we're talking about 20% across the board. on veterans day romney suggested that we should privatize veterans health care benefits. it looks like he's making good on that promise. we already know he wants to turn medicare into a voucher program and charge them $6,000 more a year out of pocket for their health care costs. education and housing.
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last week when he was behind closed doors he disclosed what programs he plans to cut. it turns out it was education. >> if you take a look at what he's doing, it's bush on steroids. >> that's exactly right. these tax cuts for the wealthy is above and beyond what bush ever did. he's talking about cuts to education and housing. this president doubled funding for college scholarships. he's out there fighting to ensure that the republicans in congress don't increase the rate on student loans. romney said he supported that today. he supports a budget that could cut funding for college scholarships. is he going to call speaker boehner and cantor and encourage republicans to ensure that the student loan rate doesn't go up. we haven't seen that type of leadership from him. >> gop lobbyists tells the ap
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that this kind of budget is not sustainable. what does this tell you about how serious he's going to be about cuts? what is the obama campaign going to do to make it that connection? to make people understand that if the republicans get the power and they're all about power, that this is what's coming. >> the fact is that romney's budget math never added up in the first place. he's got these $5 trillion tax cuts. he hasn't said how he will pay for them. he increases defense spending beyond what the department of defense has asked for. he said he will preserve medicare. none of these things add up. the truth is this hasn't gotten a lot of scrutiny. it looks like governor romney and the republicans got fawning coverage during the primary process as there were ups and downs in the horse race and their policies weren't scrutinized. >> let's narrow it down, ben.
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mitt romney wants the poor to pay more. that's it. it's as simple as can be. it's broader than that. it's the seniors. it's the middle class. it's veterans. it's the vast majority of american who is are paying more for the same tax cuts that didn't create the growth they were supposed to under the bush administration. they didn't create the job creation that they did under the bush administration. job creation was at a lot slower pace than it is right now. we've heard the same promises before. they turned out not to be true. >> great to have you with us. bill o'reilly calls former clinton labor skraer a communist. he seems to think a lot of effective progressive ideas are km communists. scott walker likes to fear monger about how bad it is down
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welcome back. conservatives are so far off the rails they now call progressive ideas communists. allen west has been joined by bill o'reilly. he was going to be the keynote
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speaker at the local chapter of the naacp fund-raiser but they with drew the invitation after he said they were members of the communist party high pressure he said there's a certain statement he made about communists. we do not represent that type of atmosphere. west is not the only one calling people communists. here is bill o'reilly. >> robert reich. he's a communist. >> communist slash socialist. >> he's a guy that is up there in cambridge. he says because the u.s. companies are multinational that the government now has to step in to make sure that our economy is good. roll the tape. >> now they are global. if we don't have a government that is investing in our people and education and job skills, in infrastructure, public transportation and all the
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things we need government to do, we can't expect the big corporations are going to do it. >> i'm joined by robert reich, former labor secretary under the clinton administration and author of the book "aftershock." i think the comment was secretly adores karl marx. have you ever been a member of the communist party? let's get to that first. >> no. it's like being back in the 1950s be. this communist witch hunt. there's not many communists left in the world today. there's not a communist threat. these conservatives, these right wingers have nothing else to say. they don't have arguments. they don't have logic. they don't have any analysis. what do they have? they don't have facts? they have the same old epithets
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and slurs they've been using for the last 60 years. >> they're calling basic ideas of what government does communist and socialist. i think there was a comment made about the private sector taking care of our infrastructure. i didn't know it did bridges and schools. >> for him to say i'm suggesting it's a role for government to invest in schools that makes me a communist. bill o'reilly, you don't know what you're talking about. you have no sense of history. you have no understanding of government. you have no understanding of our society. debate me head to head, person to person like a man. >> you would debate him face-to-face. >> any time, any place, anywhere. i let him know this but he doesn't have the guts to debate. all he wants to do is issue his epithets like, oh, reich is a
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communist as if that's advancing any argument. >> i think my friend reverend sharpton ought to ask an official inveation to have'reil. they are saying we have to totally change our thinking as a country the way we used to invest in job training and infrastructure to create jobs. they don't believe in that anymore. it's all about the profit and not the people. >> to call them conservative s a misnom misnomer. they don't want to preserve what we have. they want to go back to before the new deal. before social security. before medicare in 1965 before unemployment. they want to go before we had any things that solidified our society and make it possible for people to have economic security. they want to go back to what we
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consider to be the dark ages in america not that long ago. >> you have written extensively numerous times about tax physical therapiness. it's very clear where the republicans are right now. they will do everything they can to protect the wealthiest americans and give them more with a philosophy that they don't get enough. in the meantime make the downtrodden, the working poor in this country serve up more, s n senior, elderly, students going to school and also veterans. have you ever seen an attack, this is a class warfare attack, in my opinion. they are favoring one group and making everything else pay the bill. how do you see it? >> what they are saying, that mitt romney, pall ryan budget, makes trickle down look like a torrent. we haven't seen anything like this in this country in modern
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times. under dwight eisenhower was 91%. the effective rate after all deductions and tax credits was up about 56, 58%. that was a republican president. that was a republican in the white house. where are these people now? mitt romney is paying 13.9% taxes on $21 million. he offers up more tax breaks for the very, very rich with the rest of us, what's going to happen to the rest of us? not only medicare and social security and all of the programs that we come to rely on being sacrificed on the alter of tax cuts to the rich but he wants to restore all the military cuts. what in the world is going on here? why aren't people more enraged? i think we need to get beyond outraged and make sure that not only is barack obama the next president again, but also that
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democrats take back congress and take back this country. >> robert reich, author of the brand new book "beyond outrage." thank you for joining us. there's a lot more coming up. stay with us. >> the more we compare ourselves to illinois and they see the failed policies don't work, the better off we are. >> awful news for the badgers meeps another major embarrassment for scott walker. now he is telling wisconsin voters to wait until after the recall for the jobs to show up. artest drives it. >> should the basketball player metta world peace get banned from the nba after this elbow assault? we'll let you decide. alec's tax exempt status is being challenged as another big name dumps the group. the controversy keeps getting bigger. ♪ beth! hi!
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the right wing group behind stand your ground and voter i.d. laws is losing another corporate member. procter & gamble has announced its cutting ties with the american legislative exchange council. the company stated, procter & gamble made the determination that alec does not help p and g compute for consumers loyalty and support. this is the 13th corporation to drop alec. the open government advocacy group has filed an irs complaint against the tax exempt status. they tells the irs that it does no lobbying. it exists to pass profit driven legislation and state houses all over the country that benefits
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the corporate members. alec is not especialntitled to its shartable tax and stick the bill to the american taxpayer. alec still has a few supporters like chuck grassley. he wanted people to boycott coca-cola. he wants to boycott coke. really. i just happen to have a bottle of coke right here. let's make the connection here. the second ingredient is high fructose corn syrup which is made from corn. you find a lot of corn in iowa. you might want to rethink your boycott on this one. let's bring in robert greenwald. great to have you with us. >> thank you. >> how good a case does common
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cause have against alec? >> they have a great case. all of progressive groups that have been working so long and hard on this to expose alec. the list goes on and on. this is what we do when we get together and say this is wrong. alec is lobbying and they are spending our tax dollars because they are nonprofit. how dare they use our tax dollars by passing and organizing these awful bills. this ones you mentioned. the ones on immigration. it goes on and on. they are really on the run now and that's very exciting. >> do you think these major corporations are paying close attention to the voter i.d. suppression laws that alec was passing? do they know wh they were doing? how could they have not known what they were doing? >> i think that many of them do
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flow. large corporations have conservative interests. they are interested in preserving their power and authority. what a good way to preserve it, making sure people can vote in their own self-interest and now allowing them to vote period. you put that together with the immigration laws, you have a horror show that alec has been writing those bills, sitting with legislatures, writing them together and saying we're not lobbyists. >> what does it tell you about the major companies that are still leaving? there's 13 corporations that don't want any part of this. they don't want the pressure. alec has tried to do the damage control by saying we're going to stick with the economic issues and away from the social issues. what do you make of it? >> they are in retreat, which is good. walmart is still there. our friends the koch brothers are still there who have given alec about a million dollars. those corporations that are not
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leaving, we have a justifiable right to say we're not spending our money on your product if you're taking our money and using it to support this horrific legislation and to support this kind of right extreme ideology. >> your last documentary on the koch brothers, they're very connected to alec, one of their main supporters? >> they're a huge supporter. they gave them a $500,000 loan. they believe in what alec does. they support the organization and the bills that they are advocating for. >> what do you make of grassley's coke boycott? >> desperation brings out strange things this people. it's for sure not going to go anywhere. it's a time to really celebrate and say we have them on the run when they are calling out all their supporters, the right ring blogs and the politicians that owe them saying we need help, and they need help because
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progressives have come together and said we're mad and we're not going to take it anymore. >> it might not be alec. it might be somebody else, but they will be there. great to have you. >> sure. it's been called one of the biggest cheap shots or was it just an accident? we'll show you the video and you make the call. ♪ surf's up everybody get your boards and your wetsuits ♪ free-credit-score-dot-com's gonna direct you ♪ ♪ to check your credit score before it gets too late ♪ ♪ and you end up strapped for cash ♪ ♪ patching your board with duct tape ♪ ♪ so hit free-credit-score-dot-com ♪ ♪ find out what credit's about ♪ ♪ or else you could be headed for a credit wipeout ♪ offer applies with enrollment in™. no way. marty doesn't have a big hole in his head.
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it's the talk of the sporting world. the latest chapter in the life of the metta world peace. here you see him of the l.a.
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lakers swinging his arms wildly after a dunk. you see the dunk is not good enough. his elbow connected with the head of james harding. he left the game with a concussion. mr. world peace called the incident unfortunate and unintentional. he said he was just celebrating too hard after the big dunk. >> i got really emotional and real excited. it was unfortunate that james had to get hit with an unintentional elbow. >> intentional or accidental. you be the judge. this is not the first time he's courted controversy. you may recognize him by his former name ron artest before and after he changed his name to metta world peace, he was best known for this. an insane brawl at the detroit palace during a pacers, pistons game back in 2005.
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he was suspended for 86 games. since the brawl in detroit he changed his behavior as well as his name. teammates and opponents have remarked on his new attitude and outlook on life. the question is whether he will face the same punishment as he did during his ron artest days. the nba has not announced a punishment yet. for an incident this ugly, a suspension, fine, big time, a month, maybe more. we'll see what the nba does. next time, time is running out for wisconsin governor scott walker to convince his state that they should just keep him in the governor's chair and bad economic news just keeps piling up. look, every day we're using more and more energy.
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the more we compare ourselves to illinois and they see the failed policies down there don't work, the better off we are. i say look to the south of springfield. those are the same policies that failed in wisconsin and they failed again here. >> really? that was march 19th. he's developed a habit of picking on illinois. he slams pat quinn for raising taxes and says wisconsin doesn't want to be like their neighbors to the south. over the past year illinois has picked up 32,000 jobs. your state, wisconsin has lost under your direction almost 24,000 jobs. walker's economic problems don't end there. wisconsin is at number 42 on the bloomberg economic evaluations which rank states based on tax revenue and income. illinois is at number three. now, in the face of disasterous
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economic numbers, scott walker ran to the safe haven of the right wing news max with an excuse ready to go. >> i firmly believe that you're going to see a dramatic takeoff after june 5th because businesses feel like we're in the right direction. i think the big thing people are working for is to have the certainty of knowing this sort of positive for job creators is going to continue, and that's why after june 5th, after these primaries are done when lunts governor and these senators prevail, it will be a message that now is the time to add jobs, and they will. >> people in wisconsin are saying, we better not do any business until after we find out if scotty boy will stay on as our governor. he can't deny the job numbers. they are the worst in the country. he is saying small businesses
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are sitting on their hands waiting to see if he's going to survive the recall. i think not. you got to hand it to him, ruth. that's pretty innovative spinning, don't you think? >> it's getting harder and harder to connect his rhetoric to reality in wisconsin. he came into office promising us 250,000 new jobs and we are ranking worth. i don't see who could be buying this. >> all right. vilifying illinois by the numbers has backfired. this is a big opening. in illinois they did raise taxes on the wealthiest residents there and they created the jobs. what's the best move for the democrats here? >> well, we're seeing ads now this week for the very first time attacking scott walker. the very first ad attacking scott walker on his record of job loss. we've seen a lot of ads with
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walker promoting himself. i think we will start to hear the other side. there's so much material to work with. the first thing the democrats tried to do is attach a writer to his millions of tax breaks for out of state corporations saying they should have to create one job. he said no to that. we're handing out these tax breaks. >> walker is saying that president obama's re-election team is spending tens of millions of dollars to defeat him. he's using the president to raise money. hooe he's afraid of defeat. what do you think? >> sure. running against obama is the reason he got into office in the first place. we haven't seen a lot of barack obama in the state of wisconsin. this is clearly a grassroots effort to recall scott walker. it's led by the people of wisconsin. we have our own issues we're working on. the massive cuts, the collective
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bargaining issue. not only are things bad in terms of jobs, but they are trending in the wrong direction. he cut 30% out of our technical training program. he cut job training across the state. he's setting us up to do poorly in the future. we feel we have to stop that. >> are the democrats conveying exactly how damaging he has been? he's going around the country telling everybody that these are the reforms that they put in place and the people are with him and businesses are feeling a lot better. he goes to a survey about some 94% of businesses are headed in the right direction. >> i think it's so strange because the nonprofit corporation that promotes wisconsin to come here, your employees will love it. it's a great place to live. the number one thing that they promote is our great educational
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system in wisconsin. this is where walker has made the deepest cuts in history. he's attacking the very things that make this aical climate wh people want to live and have a decent job. we're living the republican dream. if you think mitt romney will bring back the economy in the nation, look at what's happening in wisconsin. deep cuts to education and health care and social services. look at the result, massive job loss. >> you think there's a real parallel between what romney wants to do and what walker is doing and connect that to the ryan budget plan. this is what america will look like and this is how the suffering is going to be. >> that's right. that's the lesson here. >> i can't disagree with you. great to have you with us. thanks to much. we'll follow the story. the numbers going south in wisconsin. that's "the ed show." "the rachel maddow show" starts now. good evening. great