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>> got great ones. this is a common theme -- larry, i'm investing in a new mattress so i have a place to hide my money. and i'm betting my beanie babies in san antonio spurs t-shirts. and diane writes as in, a tesla, as in the actual car. more fun than watching my stocks tank. and finally, "i'm putting my money in bacon." >> i dollar cost average in my bacon investments. i just invest a little bit every single day. actually, mostly investing that on sundays at the local diner. thank you, john tower. have a great weekend, everyone. time for "morning joe." the spurs will not bow. final seconds. what a finish. it's back to back titles for the heat! the 2013 nba championship
resides once again in miami. >> what a fantastic match that was. good morning, everyone. welcome to "morning joe." it's friday, june 21st. with us on set, we have pulitzer prize winning historian john meacham. pulitzer prize winning columnist and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. and msnbc political analyst and visiting professor at nyu, former democratic congressman harold ford jr. >> what a surprise list. >> notable tennesseean. >> and in washington, economics columnist for "the washington post," neil irwin. he'll help us through yesterday's big market drop emotionally and intellectually, what it means for most americans. but first, apparently, that was an important game last night, joe. >> apparently it was. i was asleep because like 70% of americans. a couple of big stories for you. i think for you, bigger than obviously the miami heat winning last night, but a couple of big
stories out. first of all, like 70% of americans, i take at least one prescription medicine, and i decided last night, because i was so tired, it would be a night that i would take one. you see the study -- a couple of big things in the news today. one, mika, of course, 70% of americans take prescription medication. and the second one has to do with the faa cops coming after you every time you're trying to finish an e-mail when you're on the plane. some things are going to be changing. >> anyone here not on a prescription medication? raise your hand. okay, one out of all of us. >> i'm working on that. >> you're not telling the truth. you have three points about that. >> no, it's unbelievable when you think about it. we'll get to that from "the wall street journal." and i'm serious. i don't think we will have, if the other news story that you talk about claims to be true and pans out, joe, any problems with
you on planes with temper issues, right? >> well, listen, you continue e-mailing and texting and multitasking even when the plane's taking off. >> me? >> for the flight attendants and pilots watching "morning joe" -- and a lot of them do -- watch the woman in the red dress because she doesn't listen to you. >> we'll get to more of this coming up. to politics now, the house did it. it was great. they all agreed. it looked like something finally was going to happen. i was so excited. they came together and demonstrated democracy at work, gene. they found common ground on a routine farm bill. who doesn't like farmers, right? here is nancy pelosi talking about the outcome. >> what is happening on the floor today was a demonstration of major amateur hour. they didn't get results, and they put the blame on somebody else. if we ever came to you when we
had the majority and said we didn't pass a bill because we didn't get enough republican votes, that's really -- it's silly. it's sad. it's juvenile. it's unprofessional. it's amateur hour. >> apparently not. minority leader nancy pelosi bashing republicans for failing to get the legislation passed, but the gop is blaming democrats for yesterday's surprise defeat. a look at the vote count shows it's not quite that cut and dry. 62 members of the gop broke ranks with their own party leaders to knock down the legislation. many in the conservative wing said the measure was too expensive. while democrats opposed the planned cuts to the food stamp program. joe, here we are. they had agreed until they stopped agreeing for just the farm bill. >> it's unbelievable. and here we are, you've got, again, a congress with a 10% approval rating, a house that doesn't talk to a senate. capitol hill that doesn't really deal with the president well. it's so dysfunctional. in this case, though, mika, what
makes it so difficult for republicans in the house is this is the second year -- specifically for john boehner -- this is the second year in a row they haven't been able to pass a farm bill. you can pass a farm bill without any democrats. in this case, you had -- as you said, you had some democrats agreeing with you. what a stinging indictment for john boehner, the speaker of the house, that he just can't pass basic bills through the house itself. i think it points to a larger problem just how dysfunctional washington is. >> john meacham. >> since we have a caucus here almost with congressman ford -- >> medicated caucus? >> unmedicated here. emily is working on this. we'll see you later. joe, is it a failure of the system if you get to the floor and you still have this revolt? why bring it to the floor if you know where the numbers are going to be? or is it, in fact, an amateur hour where they didn't know what was coming?
>> it's amateur hour. you never put -- you remember everybody that thinks that they know about being a lawyer always gives you advice before you go to law school, and they go, remember, perry mason never asked a question where he didn't know the answer first. well, that's the case here. you don't -- i mean, i had a lot of problems with newt gingrich as speaker. i had a lot of problems with tom delay as whip, but they didn't do this. if they brought something to the floor, they made sure they had the vote. now, on a farm bill like this, they would have known i was going to vote against the farm bill every single time if you're paying farmers to not plant crops. but they would have compensated for that, and they wouldn't have been blind sided. harold ford, this isn't washington being dysfunctional so much as it is that the house gop leadership just got blind
sided in a way you should never be blind sided if you're running the house. >> it's even more fascinating when you consider that republicans in the house have openly talked about the hassett rule being the hindrance or the obstacle to them bringing up immigration. john boehner, the speaker, who i like, but john boehner, who got beat up by his own caucus, who suggested he would bring immigration to the floor without having the majority of republicans, having that discussion with this taking place is more stinging. with tom delay, as much as i disagree with him, there was never a time he brought a bill to the floor for consideration where he didn't have enough votes before hand or he didn't keep the vote open long enough until he had the votes. i remember the famous vote for medicare, 3:00, 4:00 in the morning we were there till until
he had enough votes. >> you know who else wouldn't do that is nancy pelosi. if she brought a bill, she was guaranteeing those 218 votes, and she got them. she got them every time or she didn't bring it up. >> how do you think this happened, joe? >> so you know, there has been this sort of urban legend growing up around a variety of bills this year. one, background checks. if we get 70 or 80 votes around background checks in the senate, which they couldn't even get 60, then the house will have to pass it. or we're hearing, if this immigration bill passes with enough bipartisan support in the senate, well, then, it will pass the house because they'll be shamed into passing it. the fact is -- first of all, i don't think the immigration bill is going to pass the house in its current form. secondly, mika, this farm bill was a great example. you had overwhelming support of this farm bill over in the senate, and it didn't pass the
house. i think people that think that immigration is going to pass if we get 65, 70, 75 senate votes on an immigration reform bill are whistling past a grave yard. it's not going to happen. >> they agreed on it, and you know what kind of damage that does within the negotiating halls of washington, to have a deal and then to surprisingly have it flushed down the toilet like that. it just further hurts whatever they've got going there that's not working for them anyway. >> and i just have to be really clear here. i actually would have voted no on this bill. i'm not even talking about ideology. this is about competence. and house leadership does not have competence right now. it's an embarrassment. right now let's move on to markets. global markets stabilized after a two-day selloff that has everybody rattled. stocks, bonds, and commodity prices around the world are down.
global investors may not share the same confidence in the u.s. economic recovery as the u.s. federal reserves. stateside, the dow, s&p, and nasdaq dropped by more than 2%, the largest one-day decline since november of 2011. over the past two days, the u.s. markets wiped out all of its gains since may. so we have neil here with us, joe. i don't know where we start. i guess we can start with the stock market and how people should be trying to get their arms around this, jump out, stay in, ward it out. we haven't seen anything like this before in quite some time. >> well, and also, mika, we need to figure out "the wall street journal" this morning writing that investors may actually be on crack. of course, the provider of the crack are the central bankers. neil, let me ask you about this, as you see these markets go down because ben bernanke is suddenly saying we're going to stop bumping -- pumping billions and billions of dollars into the
economy. is it possible that we have gone from a tech bubble to a housing bubble to a fed bubble? >> it's absolutely a risk. the real question is is this easing? all this billions and billions of dollars, trillions of dollars really of dollars the federal reserve has printed and pumped into the economy. have they created a real enduring economic expansion? can housing exist? can housing keep recovering even without ultra-cheap money? can the housing market keep rising without ultra-cheap money? can housing growth continue? that's the bet that ben bernanke has been making the past couple of years. the question is is the debt going to pay off, or will we be right back in this mess we were five years ago? >> isn't the case when former chairman allen greenspan greens
retired, he was pummeled because of the housing bubble. isn't it the case, since greenspan left, we've become more liberal with our monetary supply as far as pumping more money into the monetary supply. money has been basically free for investors and businesses for the past several years. >> it's true. the fed balance sheet is $3.5 trillion. it was $800 billion when ben bernanke took office. that's the circumstances we've been in. we've been in something close to a depression. we've been in this slow recovery. we're down to 7.5% unemployment. it was 10% a couple of years ago. that's what you do when you're in a dark place. you pump money into the economy. you try and get housing going. you try and get auto sales going, consumption, investment. the question is can we now survive without that? do we have the underlying strengths in the economy? again, housing, all right? we have a housing rebound going on. that was based on 3.5% mortgage
rates. will that survive at 4.5%, 5%, 6% mortgage rates? we just don't know yet. >> what scares the hell out of me, gene robinson, is that we've had over the past decade, we've had two wars, which are supposed to be stimulative because you spend a lot of money, gene robinson, obviously on military equipment. that helps people across america. we've had two wars, two tax cuts. we've had record deficits under george w. bush, record deficits under barack obama, record national debts, plus unprecedented monetary easing by the fed, by ben bernanke, and our economy still stumbling along. i think -- this probably is the third bubble we've had. where's the underlying growth in this economy? >> well, my question is where is the underlying growth in the world? is because one of the things
that was moving the markets yesterday are these signs that the chinese economy is slowing. well, that's what we could always count on was that china was going to grow at 10% or 9% or 8% a year at minimum. and if there is underlying weakness in what is now the world's second largest economy and some day will be the largest, that ain't good for all the rest of us. europe is worse off than we are. so one understands why investors are nervous, and bernanke is saying, well, i think we're going to start siphoning off some of this froth. you know, kind of threw everybody off the cliff. >> some of the underlying growth over the last few years, you look at the enormous geographic pivot that's taken place in the united states that's allowed for greater energy exploration and production. whether you're a fan of fossil fuel or not, we can't deny this
has created jobs. it's added to gdp, and frankly, it's been one of the great shining signs in the economy. two, i think one of the things congress can do is tax reform, and i'm hoping they will do it. the question i have for neil -- and, neil, you were contemplating what may or may not happen. did yesterday's early evidence, obviously with the equity markets and those abroad, does that suggest that maybe the language from chairman bernanke the last two or three days, they may pull back some of their bond purchases. can we take that fully to mean they will, or do you think they will now rethink their position in light of how markets are reacting? >> that's a very good point. it's kind of a self-regulating thing. they start to take off the training wheels and the bike starts to fall over, they might put them back on. they're going to move very carefully. if some of these dire scenarios happen, if this negative reaction to their actions causes the housing market to system obl or growth to stumble, then they will. ben bernanke said, we will be
data dependent on what we do. if the economy supports this, then they will continue. otherwise, they'll keep pumping money into the system. they can't keep buying bonds forever. at some point, inflation will cause a problem. hopefully by then, the economy will be stable, and we'll all be out of the woods. congressman anthony weiner is doing damage control after an incident on the campaign trail in his run for mayor of new york city. on the front page of the greater new york section of "the wall street journal," the democrat was looking for signatures to get on the ballot when a voter said she would, quote, not be voting for what's her name and then used a slur, a gay slur. it was an apparent reference to city council speaker christine quinn, a lesbian, who's looking to become the city's first female mayor. after weiner heard that comment, he reportedly said, okay, i just need you to sign the petition to get me on the ballot.
only after he noticed the reaction of the reporter that was there did he add this quote, you really shouldn't talk that way about people. when later asked about the exchange, he said this. "homophobia is vile and destructive and something i've fought against for the entirety of my career, including being a vocal supporter of gay marriage since 1998. i admonished the woman and by no means believe that anything about her comment was appropriate. if the impression is that i did, i apologize because behavior like this absolutely will not be tolerated in my administration." joe? >> john meacham, this is -- we can actually expand this conversation beyond anthony weiner. this happens time and time again on campaign trails, and it reminds you of that old saying we've all heard, character is what happens when nobody is watching.
i'm reminded -- you're working on the biography of george h.w. bush, "the last gentlemen." i remember 1988 when bush was getting hammered for being a wimp, a friend started talking about what he saw when he campaigned with george bush when nobody was looking back in the 1960s. said he went to a west texas donor who would have been an absolute coup for him, and the guy let a racial slur out in a small office outside of an oil field where nobody was watching, said george bush closed his briefcase, said this meeting's over. went to his car and drove all the way back to houston, drove home. that story wasn't told for well over a decade, but that's the sort of thing that we want in our politicians, but all too often, they're like anthony weiner, they only respond when the cameras are on. >> that's right.
and i think george h.w. bush is a terrific example of someone who was, as much as anyone i know of in politics or in history, the same to your face as he was behind your back, which is a rare thing, not only in politics but life. that's a great test. one of my tests, which sort of fits in with this, is -- particularly when i talk to kids in high school or college. i say, when you write things online, apply this test. would you say it to the person's face, whatever it is. and if you wouldn't, then you should stop and think about that because, otherwise -- we talk about civility, and people think that means warren redman on a commission. i think it's very different. i think, if we don't have a certain level of civility and zero tolerance for slurs, then
the social fabric continues to fray. everything we've been talking about this morning is fed by a lack of civility. the political conversation is not commensurate to the economic problems, we were just discussing with the international market and the situation. there's a need for a common kind of conversation. >> let me ask really quickly before we go to break. or am i being too tough on anthony weiner? are the papers being too tough on anthony weiner? >> i wasn't sure. >> or is this fair? >> i think in this day and age, this is one of the reasons why a lot of people who are really good don't enter politics because everything about you, everything you say, every little minute detail about you could potentially go out there and explode, potentially in the wrong way. i look at interviews that we've done on this show that have exploded on the internet that i cannot understand and that were completely misunderstood. so there's a part of me that kind of cringes when i read
this. he's got enough to deal with. at the same time, if he only performed for the cameras, that is, i guess, a measure of whether or not he's true. >> i think it does tell you something, though, because you're right, people can't be expected -- it's difficult to perform -- >> did he only hear it later? i don't know. >> it's difficult to perform every minute of every day. >> every minute, every second of every day. >> but the question is did it have to be a performance? in other words, a lot of people would have naturally said, gee, that's not cool. that's not cool to talk that way. and maybe he wouldn't. so maybe it tells you something about the person. >> clearly, when you hear about the account, meacham, there was an opportunity for a mccain moment. >> i was just thinking about senator mccain. >> but i don't know the details. it's an exchange. i've had situations where someone said something awful, and i didn't hear it until about four seconds later, and then it was too late to respond. >> part of the civility covenant
i was talking about also requires judging people who are in the congressman's position, to judge them on the totality of their lives. >> right. >> and, harold, you've been campaigning. we've campaigned before. you've got -- you do have -- and, again, i've been tough on anthony weiner, now to possibly give him the benefit of the doubt. i don't know. you've been in crowds where people are yanking at you. you've got a thousand people talking to you, and your job is to make sure that everybody thinks you're listening to them and you don't be dismissive of anybody. maybe i will now say you're going to be required now, harold, to defend anthony weiner and explain just what it's like when you have 20 or 30 people crushing in on you and everybody's talking to you at the same time. >> the facts here suggest that there was anthony in a one-on-one situation, according to even anthony, saying he heard the woman make the remark and he immediately admonished her, and
there seems to be some dispute about that. but campaigning, people are constantly saying things and grabbing at you. i don't know the details here, but it appears that either he said it and wasn't heard by the reporter or he didn't say it. all i know is that i've had people come up to me and make comments about -- i'll never forget. once i was campaigning back home, back in tennessee, and a person came to me and said, you're okay. i'm just glad you're not jewish. and i looked at him, what the heck? i won't say what i said on television to him. but i think you have to be forthright. in this race here, the makeup of the race, the mayoral race, everyone has some responsibility to be mature. >> i think it's ultimately a negative story. >> i am taking anthony weiner's word, but i think you have to be forceful in those settings. >> hey, harold? >> yes, sir? >> you're not jewish? >> big announcement i have to make this morning, joe. great handoff to me. i appreciate it.
>> ultimately, it's a negative story, and i'll tell you why it hurts. it's because we're already looking at anthony weiner in terms of who he is as a person, and so he's under special scrutiny. >> totality. >> context and totality. >> yeah. neil irwin, thank you for your insight on the volatile economy. your book is the alchemists, three central bankers and a world on fire. later, our interview with jeff daniels, star of hbo's hit series "news room." jeff gives us a few pointers on the biz. and the atlantic's david friedman claims junk food can end obesity. that's what he says. i'm going to get a second opinion from dr. nancy snyderman. up next, the top stories and the politico playbook. first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> one dorito a day, mika.
>> can't have one. >> no, you can't. finger licking. good morning, everyone. here's what we're dealing with overnight. the big weather story out there is up in canada. this is in calgary, where the flooding has been horrible. 100,000 people have been told to evacuate their homes. 100,000 people are actually being told to put xs on their doors so the search and rescuers know that they're safe and they're not in those residences. we'll follow that story during the day today. up in calgary, canada, in alber alberta, just horrible flooding, a lifetime flood event. as far as overnight weather goes, minnesota, nasty storms rolling through. dangerous winds. now arriving rochester, about to cross into areas around eau claire and lacrosse. if you're in wisconsin this morning, nasty storms coming through. as far as the southwest goes, we are watching about 26 large fires still burning. friday forecast, first day of summer, nice weather on the east coast, storms in the northern plains, and the fire danger continues high in the southwest. washington, d.c., just in time
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at 29 past the hour, time to take a look at the morning papers. "boston globe," instagram launched a video sharing option that allows visitors to capture 20-second videos. this is in contrast to twitter's vine, which allows users to take six second videos. do your kids do this? environme vine? instagram? >> i wouldn't know. >> it's all part of their language.
"usa today" found that thousands of times a year, doctors perform surgeries that patients don't need, knee replacement, hysterectomies among the 10% to 20% of surgeries that are performed more often than necessary. since 2005, more than 1,000 surgeons have been involved in malpractice claims related to unnecessary procedures. the cherry hill courier post, a new policy in new jersey aims to ban trash talking during high school sporting events. the new rule could get a player or coach investigated by the state's civil rights unit. what about parents? it all stems from new jersey's crackdown on bullying in schools. i think it's a good idea. have you ever looked at how kids talk on text? have you ever looked, meacham? >> they don't text. >> it's bad. "the new york times," brazil's president is holding an emergency meeting today after more than 1 million brazilians
took to the streets last night. protests took place in more than 1100 cities, and one man was killed when a car drove through a barricade. the demonstrations were sparked by rising prices and government corruption. and "the columbia times dispatch," distracted walking is more dangerous than distracted driving. since 2010 more than 1,500 people have been treated for injuries related to cell phone use while walking and talking on the phone. >> it's true. >> it accounted for 69% of injuri injuries. let me just tell you something. this is where, i hate to say it, but the google glass might make a difference. >> the google glasses? >> because you could text on those things. >> it will make our life a living hell. people already walk down the street like this the whole time. >> they will not do that anymore with those. >> they'll be looking up here at what's on their screen. >> i tried it the other day.
i don't have it. i was intrigued. >> sign of the apocalypse. >> really? is >> the death toll is going to be tremendous. yes, it's going to be awful. >> you're talking about this. >> i'm talking about this, but i'm also talking about reading stuff in front of your eyes while a truck is coming. >> i agree with the reading, but you don't read that much. it actually talks to you. it's crazy. >> oh, that's a lot better. >> it talks to you, and you can text like this. look, and then you send a text. i was against it. >> people walking down, shaking their head and hitting the side of their face and trying to go back one web page. this is insane. >> you were against it, and google had the audacity to go forward? is >> exactly. like anyone cares what i think. i was very skeptical, and i'm now intrigued because it does get you away from this, and it might be a step up. i'm just going to give it more time. >> if they're going to do it,
they need to make it safer. >> i think so. i've been that person over a car. i was trying to book a show, i was talking to joe, and i was also running, and i went boom on the front of a car. i'm sorry. that probably didn't bode well for me. >> if it doesn't come with air bags -- >> the google glasses? >> i'm telling you, carnage. >> we'll do a demonstration together. we'll try it. i'm intrigued. i'm not there yet. i was dead against it like you until i tried it. "new york post," 56-year-old jeffrey jones of sacramento, california, was arrested for throwing -- >> he was wearing google glasses. >> he needs them. >> throwing a spear into traffic. >> he was playing mortal combat. >> according to police. not sure while we're doing this story, but jones tossed his spear at an oncoming car, lodging it into the car's fender.
he was charged with assault with a deadly weapon. >> as he should have been. >> who's doing that? i just want to say -- this is fascinating. can i do the cover of "parade" really quick? this week "parade" magazine looks at the science -- i have two brothers, one democrat, one republican. looks at the science of siblings. editor in chief maggie murphy is ahead with the story. i'm really fascinated by this. i think it's true, and i'm glad someone is looking at this. with us now, the chief white house correspondent for politico, mike allen, here with the morning playbook. and also, mike celebrating his b-day. happy birthday, mike. happy birthday. >> thank you for a fun year together. >> you're the cutest thing in the world. >> grateful for our good times. and this is also the birthday of my brother scott. my brother scott was born the same day as me a year later. so when we were growing up, my
mother would always say, he was your first birthday present. >> the science of siblings. >> when we were little, i was like, can't i have a scooter or something? now it's awesome. we celebrated this week in cancun. his son evan graduated from high school, got the families together down there, and had a great time. >> that's adorable. happy birthday, mike. politico is looking at how chris christie's temporary senate appointment may impact the governor if he decides to run for president in 2016. negative political reaction to the choice, or what are you saying here? is >> this brand new new jersey senator jeff chiesa, who was the new jersey attorney general, sort of a lawyer for the governor, he's up in washington already casting huge votes. he'd only been here 24 hours when he cast his first vote on immigration. he's going to have the big immigration vote coming up. some important nominations for obama, debt ceiling, all these big issues that an interim place holder, seat warmer senator usually never has. what democrats are saying is, look, this guy is so close to
governor christie, the governor said that himself when he announced him, we're close friends, that we're going to use this as a clue to what governor christie really thinks on national issues as a proxy for how he would vote on these. so both opponents of the governor in the republican party and democrats are watching this for clues to what christie would think if he were to run for national office. >> mike allen, thanks for your take. happy birthday to you and your brother. have a great weekend. >> happy summer. longest day of the year. >> oh, great, that's all i needed, a longer day. coming up, he brought his talents and a pair of championships to south beach. we'll show you highlights from game seven and lebron's revealing post-game interview next in sports. i want to make things more secure.
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lebron james trying to science his critics with a repeat championship. and the aging spurs trying to become the first team to win a game seven on the road since 1978. actually, it was a pretty close game. let's go to the third. they just dared lebron james to shoot, and he shot, and it went in. he got five three-pointers. let's go to the fourth. game is still close. lebron kicks it out to shane battier. ray allen in game six. battier in game seven, 6 for 8 with 18 points. just awesome. spurs wouldn't go away. kawai leonard, three-pointer, wouldn't go. next possession. they would call this in sports jargon, that would be the dagger in the heart of the san antonio spurs. >> or the spear. >> or the spear. tony parker watched as the game and manu ginobili had a final chance, and that was it. lebron had 37, 12 rebounds. gets the bill russell mvp story.
great moment with gregg popovich, hugged dwyane wade and lebron. afterwards, lebron was asked about the pressure of just being lebron. >> how, when everybody is coming at you, do you keep your head and perform at the level that you do? >> listen, for me, i can't worry about what everybody say about me. i'm lebron james from akron, ohio, from the inner city. i'm not even supposed to be here. that's enough. every night i walk into the locker room, i see a number 6 with james on the back, i'm blessed. so whatever say about me off the court don't matter. i ain't got no worries. >> congratulations, lebron. >> i got to tell you, it doesn't make miami a good sports town, by the way. people are going to get mad at me, but atlanta, miami, they left early in game six, for crying out loud, they took to
the streets as they usually do when they win. that person probably doesn't wear the heat jersey at any other time during the year. >> this is how fans learn that the game should be approached. i don't think we should be so harsh. >> washington is another one, not a great sports town. >> thanks a lot. let's back up here. >> let's look at david beckham. you guys probably don't know, but i have two man crushes in the world, one of them's david beckham. >> nice. >> sports etiquette. >> he still gets huge joe scarborough crowds wherever he goes. this one in shanghai, china, visiting a university to meet members of its soccer team. organizers of the event just underestimated by a little bit who might show up. all hell broke loose. i mean, we're talking more than 1,000 people stormed the gate of the stadium just to get a look at this guy. >> is beckham underneath that? >> no, people that are hurt are.
seven people were injured. and that was mr. beckham in china. >> all right. i like that, brian. up next, the science of siblings. this is going to be amazinamazi. "parade's" maggie murphy with a fascinating look at the profound ways we are shaped by brothers and sisters. those are my two brothers. you can guess which one was a state troop -- wanted to be a state trooper and used me as the suspect and pulled me out of the car and read me my miranda rights. and there's joe.
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47 past the hour. joining us now, editor in chief of "parade," maggie murphy. the latest issue of the magazine is on the science of siblings. in the cover story, francine russo writes, "all of the factors that shape your personality, your genes, your parents, your peers -- siblings are at the top. according to one major theory of human development, if you think about it, the relationships with your sisters and brothers will probably last longer than any others in your lifetime. study after study has shown the ways you interact with each other growing up can affect your relationships, your happiness, even the way you see yourself throughout the rest of your life." oh, no. >> oh, yes. >> oh, no. i'm going to have to look at this. i might need a therapist now. i love my brothers. everyone has a category for the oldest, the middle, the youngest and all those in between. is there a birth order issue here as you look at the science of siblings. >> as i said, when we looked at
the article, there is some truth to some of the birth order stories. the oldest tend to have higher iqs. they tend to be higher achievers. the number of presidents who are the eldest. middle children do tend to be conflict resolvers. younger children do tend to be more ambitious. they studied the dimaggio brothers, and the younger brothers famously stole many more bases than joe. there is some things, but those things in and of themselves are not necessarily the only thing about siblings. my favorite fact in this story is that younger children, younger siblings fight up to eight times an hour, and that is exactly the kind of conflict that teaches people behavior and patterns that they carry with them for the rest of their lives. >> when does the fighting stop? is i have two girls. >> tell me, i have one. >> oh, my lord. >> but i'm the second of five.
there was conflict all the time. and i'm a middle child, and i think that part of the reason that i grew up to be sort of a conflict resolver was somebody was always fighting with somebody, and somebody in the middle sort of resolved that. i think that's one of the things, when you look at your siblings and your relationships are, how you bring those -- what role you played in that. >> here's the thing. i have one sister. we always got along very well. maybe from her perspective not quite so much when we were little since i think she would say i might have tortured her a few times, all in great fun. does age gap, how does that impact relationships? my sister was five years younger than i am. so there wasn't that sort of, i think, intense sibling rivalry. >> they usually say that people who had either older siblings,
male or female opposite, became actually much more comfortable with the opposite sex because that gave them some pattern. so some of those issues -- i think the other thing that happens is -- depends on how the conflicts were resolved by your parents. good parental management often will set the tone. and if the other thing that usually comes up is fairness. there is some aspect of not -- we would call it favoritism. but there is some delineation between how kids are treated by their parents. if it's overall in a fair way, it works out. the issue is mostly, though, over time those relationships get better, especially as parents age and people deal with those conflicts. >> there's favoritism and perceived favoritism. it's very complicated with girls. >> it is. the other thing is we try to de-identify from our siblings. if you have a sibling who's a very successful basketball player, you might do something different to show your
difference as much as you might admire that person. and that's part of finding your own identity as you work your way through life. >> the new issue of "parade" magazine, out now. maggie murphy, great to see you again. come back soon. up next, a little news you can't use. keep it right here on "morning joe." i am an american success story.
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vitriole and anger and hatred than i have over this. i apologize for not knowing. >> who are we talking about again? >> russell brand. hello. no, i'm sorry. it was a very long day. it was an interview after the show. we did two others. >> i thought it was great. >> it was fabulous. it wasn't great. >> he was the guy married to katy perry. >> and then he texted her of their divorce on new year's. >> he was a good sport. >> i liked him. i thought it was good tv, but some people on the youtube, twitt twitt twittersphere don't like it so much. he'll be back in the u.s. in august. maybe he'll come back on show. >> up next, steve rattner and "fortune" magazine's andy serwer. keep it right here on "morning joe."
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review. i'll take a look. treasury analyst steve rattner, back with us to talk about the market. and also with us, the moderator of "meet the press," david gregory. joe, one of the more annoying parts of flying could be changing, which will be good news for us because i don't like -- i don't like what happens sometimes when we're flying. "the wall street journal" reports that the faa is expected to walk back some of the rules on using personal electronic devices. it will probably mean you won't have to turn off your kindle during takeoff and landing. you won't have to get off the phone, joe, or stop texting. they're not expected to change the rules on flights on in-flight phone calls. the exact changes will not be announced until the end of september. end of september. >> you're actually talking about me. >> yes, i am. >> you know, mika, i am not a psychiatrist or psychologist -- i play one on television -- but
you seem to be projecting here because you're the one that you will text well into flight. it causes some of us back in coach some concerns to see you up there. >> really? >> texting and playing words with friends. >> back in coach, really? mr. first class. i don't think so. we need some changes. steve rattner agrees. he's got a lot of gadgets that he brings onto the plane with him. >> well, steve rattner is also a pilot. so i have some knowledge of this whole thing. the rule is ridiculous in the first place. they once saw a needle flicker, and they thought they had to ban all this stuff. right now pilots actually use ipads in the cockpit during takeoff, during landing, during flight. >> with wi-fi. >> to guide the plane. >> they're on their gadgets? >> they're on their gadgets. we're on our gadgets. >> it's a ridiculous rule. there's some people that enjoy going around and actually
looking down at every passenger in contempt. >> david gregory, are you like an alec baldwin on the plane? is i'm seeing it. >> there are those instances where can you turn that off or somebody will stand over you and say, no, you have to turn that all the way off. just putting the top down on it is not enough. you have to turn it all the way off. this is great, this rule, because that stress of can i get away with one more text here? when i covered the bush campaign and they don't have these rules when you're with the president, the fun used to be to see how high up you can still get an e-mail off after taking off. >> it's safe to do on the president's plane. think about that. >> mika, can i just say it is all too revealing that david gregory's version of fun is seeing how long, how high up you can go and still send out an e-mail. but okay. mika, we've got a couple of
really smart guys on set with us. >> i brought them in. >> regarding economics. >> that's a change. >> can we go through the first story, and then i really want to talk to steve and andy and get david's political take on what's happening to the markets and what's happening in the u.s. economy and whether this means that the great deleveraging has begun. >> okay. that's why we brought you back in, rattner. global markets stabilized overnight after a two-day selloff that has just about everybody rattled. stocks, bonds, and commodity prices around the world were down, a sign global investors may not share the same confidence in the economic recoveries athe u.s. federal reserve. stateside, the dow, s&p, and nasdaq dropped by more than 2%, the largest one-day decline since november of 2011. over the past two days, the u.s. markets wiped out all of its gains since may. joe? >> yeah, so let me ask you, steve rattner, whether you get
"the wall street journal" this morning talking about how they're addicted to easy money, like crack, they talk about an addiction to central bankers easing money. i'm just wondering, is that your take? if it is, is this just part of a much bigger problem that began with the tech boom in the late '90s and then an economy that was fueled by cheap money, two wars, two tax cuts, massive deficits in george w. bush's administration, massive deficit spending in barack obama's administration. is this just a sign of how weak our underlying economy has been for some time? >> there's no question our economy has been weak for some time. i think i used the crack cocaine analogy on this show yesterday, but there's a thousand others. this economy went into massive cardiac arrest. we did lots of stuff to it, and we put it on a respirator,
easing money, and now it's time to take it off the respirator, and everybody is worried how that will go. i believe -- and i think andy and i may not completely agree, which will lead to more interesting discussion -- i think what bernanke did over the last five years is generally what's exactly right. this is what the fed is needed for. this is what is needed when an economy goes into freefall. if a patient has a heart attack, you get out the defibrillator, you don't just let him lie on the sidewalk flapping around. i think he did the right thing. >> if that's the case, though, and the fed has done everything right, andy, where does alan greenspan go to get his reputation back, what office? because actually, ben bernanke has been far more free with money supply than alan greenspan ever was, and yet congress -- remember those hearings? everybody was blaming alan greenspan for a housing boom. so much more permissive under bernanke than greenspan ever was. >> but bernanke was facing a real crisis where greenspan was just trying to reinflate the
economy after some weakness. i think bernanke's actions were a lot more appropriate. he was facing the worst economic downturn since the great depression. if you talk to bernanke and geithner and paulson, they all said, we're not going to fail by underdoing like what happened in the 1930s. i think that greenspan was just trying to go from good to great, whereas bernanke was trying to go from awful to good. that's a huge difference, joe. i think it's a great thing really that bernanke is saying that it looks like the economy is going to be healthy enough to get rid of the training wheels, yet another metaphor, and so the kid's wobbling on the bike right now. the bond market was way in a bubble. just a huge bubble. so we're seeing that sell off. stocks are a little high. i think the stock market is going to stabilize. this is reality. it's a big deal. this was the turn. wednesday was a big deal. i mean, it's a new day right now.
>> david gregory, how exciting. wednesday was a new day, a new era of economics. i don't know. again, it's quite possible we went from a tech bubble to a housing bubble to a central bank bubble, and that bubble may soon burst. >> right, and we don't know. there's still a lot of structural problems in the economy. there's still not a lot of robust job growth. a lot of people pointing towards the stock market as a creation of real wealth as there were accumulated gains there that affect people's pensions and their 401(k)s and what not. but there's still a lot of questions about what's going to create longer term economic growth. obviously, the panel can talk about that with more authority than i can. but i do have this question that is a political question. we're seeing in washington still quite an aversion to more government spending to dealing with long-term economic growth or long-term employment with regard to more infrastructure and doing some of the things to
help the economy structurally. and i don't know if any of what's happening now is going to change that. i have a sense that, whether it's tax policy or more spending on infrastructure, that we're seeing washington still in kind of a shutdown on that. >> steve rattner, let me ask you, though. could it not be possible that we are in the middle -- you've gotten together with a lot of ceos that run a lot of very big companies that are worried about long-term debt. could it not be the case that we keep looking at how things are going by the day, by the week, by the quarter. we are in the middle of an era where we're going to -- i mean, we're pushing up against this massive debt, and at some is point there is going to be a deleveragi deleveraging, and it's going to be painful, is it not? is "the wall street journal" suggests it will be painful, regardless of what politicians are telling us. >> we still have a long-term
debt problem, which we've talked about a lot. let me go back to what david said. he may not think he's an economics guy, but i think he put his finger on a number of important problems here. one, congress is doing nothing. there are things they could do that don't necessarily cost a lot of money but would help the economy, in terms of programs to train workers, a long laundry list, and they're doing nothing. the question is also about the other problems that affect this economy, for example, the fact that workers have not had a pay rise in four years. if you don't make more money, you can't spend more money. doesn't make economic growth easier. number three, with response to the asset bubble we're in now, i don't believe we're in an asset bubble now, and i believe what bernanke is actually doing is to try to make sure we're not doing one. >> you don't think the bond market is in a bubble? >> the bond market was in a bit of a bubble. we're not in a housing bubble. >> no, we're not. >> the stock market had a great run. i don't think it's really a bubble. i think what bernanke is trying
to do is walk back very slowly. he used his own metaphor. he's trying to land a ship on an aircraft carrier. i'm not sure what he meant by that metaphor. it's his metaphor. >> it's a mixed metaphor. >> that is a metaphor too far. it makes absolutely no sense. hey, steve rattner, you don't think the stock market is in a bubble when there is such a radical disconnect between wall street and main street? >> well, there is a radical disconnect between wall street and main street because wall street is making a huge amount of profits. company's profitability is incredibly high, and main street, as i said, incomes aren't going up. so the stock market is not wildly overvalued because companies are making a lot of money. the problem is the disconnect between wall street and main street. >> it is true, joe, what we're saying is that the leverage keeps sloshing around in the system. it went from the private sector, went from the housing market, and now it's on the government's books. it's on the federal government's books right now. the states have managed to deleverage a fair amount, and there is going to be a day of
reckoning. you can't keep doing this without paying the piper. you hope it happens slowly. >> isn't that day of reckoning less painful if the economy grows? >> absolutely. >> and if we manage to ratchet up growth to a reasonable level. >> right. >> it doesn't hurt as much when you do the inevitable delerchling. >> hope to have your cake and eat it too. >> that's part of the great debate. you talk about how you grow the economy, and the fact is, at least from my world view, my political world view, we've been growing the economy the wrong ways. we've been focusing on government programs. we've been focusing on government spending. again, this goes back -- i wrote a book in 2004, attacking george w. bush, saying two wars, two tax cuts, medicare part "d" -- all of this money we're pumping into the system plus cheap money, that is trickle down economics big government style.
i think we're going about this the wrong way. i don't think washington -- i've got to follow up with what steve said. i just don't think washington is responding to that. >> steve, you want to respond to that? you can. >> i'm agreeing with joe. joe, i think everything you just listed were mistakes we made over the last 12 years that got us in this mess. the question is not getting a do-over on medicare part "d," the question is what do we do now? i think what we're all trying to articulate is a strategy that involves congress doing something, the fed gradually walking back from this very expansion of monetary policy. >> this next story could have implications, david and joe, on immigration legislation and budget negotiations and overall trust in congress. i don't mean our trust in congress, trust between members of congress because, at this time yesterday, the house did it. they actually came together and demonstrated democracy at work and found a common ground on a routine farm bill. yeah, it was -- it's great news. i mean, they all really worked
together, agreed -- >> fantastic. >> it was. so here's nancy pelosi on the aftermath of the vote. >> what is happening on the floor today was a demonstration of major amateur hour. they didn't get results, and they put the blame on somebody else. if we ever came to you when we had the majority and said we didn't pass a bill because we didn't get enough republican votes, that's really -- it's silly. it's sad. it's juvenile. it's unprofessional. it's amateur hour. >> and the vote was 234-195. minority leader nancy pelosi. >> amateur hour, silly, sad, juvenile -- mika, this is a real problem for john boehner. he doesn't care what nancy pelosi says about him because nancy pelosi is not going to be deciding whether he gets reelected speaker not -- this is
a rebellion in the ranks of the republican party. this goes, to paraphrase michael dukakis, this is not about ideology because i would have opposed this farm bill. this is about competence. >> exactly. >> and you do not put a vote like this on the floor -- especially if you haven't passed a farm bill in two years inside your own caucus. you don't put it on the floor if it's going to get voted down like this. this really -- it is amateur hour. i do agree with nancy pelosi on that front. conservatives are angry with john boehner, and there are a lot of other people in washington shaking their heads saying how did this happen? it would have never happened under speaker nancy pelosi or speaker newt gingrich, or whip tom delay. >>s th that's the question, dav gregory. what happened? is there an impact for trust between members of congress in trying to cut deals for pieces of legislation to come? >> that's what i think about. you think about immigration, and there's so much talk right now
if in the senate they can overcome republican opposition, get a high enough number, around 70 votes, and they ultimately have leverage in the house. i don't necessarily see that. the rebellion you see among conservatives in the house that manifested itself here would be certainly manifest on a bill like immigration, which would me underscores the point that whatever the national polls say, whatever the issues are, there's a separate universe that's operating within the house that's separate from the rest of the congress. that has implications for boehner, but it has implications for the president as well as he thinks about what legislation he wants to get done, whether it's immigration, which is a big ticket item, or something else on the budget. >> it seems to at this point be demoralizing at best to watch what's happening in washington. >> immigration reform can be passed. you can get a bill out of the senate, and john boehner could bring it to the floor, expecting he's not going to get a majority of his republican caucus.
but you could imagine a bill that would get democratic votes and some republicans and pass. it would be the last act of john boehner's speakership probably. but at this point, he might be looking forward to that. i think i would be looking for an out. >> he said he wasn't going to do that. i think a lot of people interpreted that to mean he didn't want immigration to pass so he was going to hide behind the hastert rule and say, i'm not bringing it to the floor unless i get a majority of the republicans. >> and he may do that. in the past, he's said, i'm going to stick to the hastert rule, i'm going to stick to the hastert rule, and he has not stuck to the hastert rule. >> one more story. more and more americans are taking prescription drugs. the mayo clinic says 7 out of 10 americans take at least one prescription drug a day, painkillers, antibiotics, antidepressants. the most commonly prescribed medications, more than half of us take at least two prescription drugs, and 20% of all americans take five pills daily. drug related spending is also on
the rise. it reached $250 billion in 2009. that was 12% of total personal health care spending. on a serious note, joe, there's two things going on here. our health care continues to improve, and there are medications for all sorts of illnesses and nconditions that didn't used to exist. also, when you look at the number of people taking antidepressants especially, it's a sign of how much more needs to be done to address mental health issues in this country when you look at these numbers. and you look at the treatments that are out there. >> so much is driven by that, but we really are a nation -- we're so over prescribed. drugged up, over prescribed. it's great for the pharmaceutical companies. it's just not good, though, for the health of this nation. andy, we are a pharmaceutical
nation. mika asked last hour how many people were on a prescription, and everybody raised their hand except john meacham. he doesn't really count because he has so much tennessee moonshine, it's the same thing. this is a growing, growing problem. big business for big pharma but not good for the rest of us. >> and painkillers too are a huge problem. we're seeing problems with addiction. and the problems don't seem to go away either. these issues with oxycontin and all these other -- vicodin, i'm not going to name all the brands, but you know what they are. they're well publicized, but yet they continue. and then there's ritalin and those drugs for young people and perhaps they're overprescribed, and it goes on and on and on. people have a mentality and mindset they can take a pill. preventative medicine is so important. we're seeing actually places like the va, the veterans administration, which is getting
ahead of this and actually doing things that are preventative rather than just giving veterans pills all the time, which is really heartening to see actually. >> going to talk about this more with dr. nancy in the next hour. david gregory, thank you so much. who do you have sunday on "meet the press"? >> we've got our own congressional summit on some of the big issues we've been talking about from immigration to the economy to spying and to what extent all of this defines the obama era. we'll get into that on sunday. >> andy serwer and eugene robinson ahead as well. still ahead, nancy snyderman joins us, along with david friedman, on his new covery story in "the atlantic" saying we could get healthier if we embrace the drive-thru. up next, actor jeff daniels will be here in our news room to discuss america's role in american politics. >> i'm speaking to everyone, specifically to mika.
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if you're a congressman or senator or chairman of the house financial services committee or speaker of the house and wanted to hear the demands of ows, who would they meet with? >> we're not looking for a meeting. >> they wouldn't be able to meet with anyone. i'm trying to find the virtue of a legalist movement where everyone's voice is heard. >> that's not the point. we want everyone to look at occupy wall street and ask themselves the question, why is this happening? >> i think that's been taken care of.
what happens after people ask that question? >> change, i hope. >> how? >> the same way changes always happen. >> what is your best case scenario for how this ends? >> that it doesn't end. >> that it doesn't end? >> that's right. >> even if you put the heads of the bank in jail, get a supreme court decision, social equality, give everybody running, you're still going to be sleeping in szuccotti park. >> like most of the media, you're not taking this seriously. >> is there any chance it's because you're not? >> that's a scene from the upcoming season of "news room." jeff daniels, its star, joined us here and had some things to say about the media and us. we started with a trip down memory lane. >> jeff, we have so much to talk about. we need to talk first about you and mika driving around in your rv. >> well, you want to start there. you're going to go there. >> we've got to go there. >> a few years ago for cbs sunday morning, i believe. >> it was a nice rv. it's equipped with lots of
things. >> it's equipped. and i'm not telling tales out of school to say that i gave you the tour. >> you did. >> of the rv. >> and it has a mirror. >> 42 feet long, i'm proud to say. >> and you drive it yourself. >> clooney has a private jet. i have a recreational vehicle. >> you have an rv. >> but you drive it around michigan? >> actually, for news room, we shoot in l.a., i load the dogs and my wife kathleen, and hit the road. >> how awesome is that? >> that's not the first time either. whenever you have a project. >> let me ask you this. is this a john madden thing that you don't like flying, or is this you can take a part of your home with you wherever you go? is >> it's also a little bit of that. i can't stand one more time of going through tsa at the airport where they pat me down, look up every crevice, and go, god, i love your movies. >> so talk about "the news
room." nicole is saying she's now watching the summer reruns after watching it already. so she's seen every episode like 12 or 13 times. >> she's obsessed. >> what is it about "the news room" that connects with people? what do they want when they turn on the tv? what do they want from an anchor like you on the show? >> in the show, i think what aaron sorkin does so well is that he, with that pace that he's got, with all that dialogue, it's like a verbal car chase. and whether you know it or not, he's grabbing you and pulling you in and really dragging you through, and you're trying to keep up with us. >> i was just remembering the very first episode begins with your character unloading on a journalism graduate student, and i just -- i think anyone in any profession where they feel like the idealism that brought them into hollywood or into
journalism is outweighed by the cynicism they've acquired along the way could relate to that explosion. i wonder if you think that that scene has a lot to do with people staying for the ride, to see that side of your character? >> that also was in the pilot, first episode, first season, and it was five minutes in. so america is sitting there with the remote, do i stay with this or not? and then aaron comes through with this speech of which the second half is i don't think we're the greatest country in the world anymore, but we could be. and here's what the idealistic, the don quixote kind of thing, here's what we could get back to. >> i don't know what you think. i think a lot of people in the country feel that way. do you think you're tapping into a mood? >> there's a lot of anger out there. there's a lot of -- you've got the far right. you've got the far left. and you've got the people out there going what are you doing? >> are you a news junkie? >> i -- >> watch a lot of news? >> when o.j. drove the white bronco around, i clicked in. i think that's when cable news
was born really as a focal point. but i think the 2000 election was when i really became engulfed in you guys, in all of that, what's going on with the primary? and from then on, i've always kind of you're on, you're on in the room. >> it's funny. i watch it because i like to compare what the show does with -- their publishing system in the show is the same as the one i use. i compare what's real and what isn't. that's why i like to watch it. i guess, while you're hooked into news, what do you think of news, and how has doing the show changed how you view it? >> and aaron writes to this. the struggle. to cover stories that need to be covered that aren't as sexy, to stay on casey anthony, to stay on jodi arias week after week after week, and you're getting -- >> by the way, you know it's a good place when four or five months into this jodi arias trial, somebody said, what do
you think of jodi arias? who? you do the news every day. they drive it nonstop. i didn't even know who she was for five months. but it's driven nonstop. >> what are the numbers? where are the ratings? people tune in. >> there are days it works, and there are days it doesn't, but you know what, the conundrum that you just described is, i think, the conundrum every news show deals with, and you either are that or you're not. >> before the premiere of the first episode, we had a premiere in new york for the first episode, an abc news guy, producer for 40 years, said, please, i hope you don't bash us. we're not bashing you. i hope you show the struggle of trying to get those stories about the sudan, trying to get the stories about the refugees, the this, the that, and stay away from some of those sexier stories. i hope you show that struggle, and i think aaron is trying to do that. >> what have you learned about what it takes to do what we do?
>> you guys real ly -- i admire all of you, all the shows, all the networks when breaking news happens. when you've got to go on and you have no notes and you've got to talk for another ten minutes on a breaking story, the boston bombings, the whatever, and you're flying by the seat of your pants. i think that's where you'll really -- the professionalism that got you guys here. >> i have none of that, but everybody else. >> i'm talking specifically to mika. >> do we have a wide shot here? >> i am proud to say that once in my journalistic moments, i laid on the bed of my recreational vehicle and she said, there's a mirror. and i said, i need to leave the room. >> yes, there was. >> i have news chops. okay, by the way, you and i covering breaking news.
>> stop that. >> or is it just me covering breaking news? >> nobody is going to believe it. i'm going to hopefully be the dumb and dumber sequel because i would fit. but mika, she is a seasoned journalist. so "dumb and dumber," there's going to be a sequel? come on, i'll take that as a yes. >> imagine the whiplash mentally. >> that was a left turn. >> will mcevoy, harry dunn. >> got to pay for gas in the rv. >> exactly. >> you know what "dumb and dumber" is, it's the cartoon at the end of sullivan's travels. life is hard. it's full of tragedy. it's unfair. and then at the end you sit down, and you get to laugh. >> that looks like fun. >> i went to walter reed a couple of times, the hospital, and you go room to room, these soldiers, these guys that no legs, one arm, and you go to
them, and they all want to talk about "dumb and dumber" and not because they're stupid. they want 0 to -- make me laugh. please, god, make me laugh. i told jim, and jim agrees, there's great value in something that does that. i'm glad we're doing that. >> thank you for coming here. we appreciate it. >> so you actually laid down on the bed, and there was a mirror on the ceiling? >> oh, my god. >> we have pictures. >> oh, my god. evidence. >> mirror on the ceiling, pink champagne on ice. >> season two of "the newsroom" premieres sunday, july 14th, at 8:00 p.m. on hbo. jeff daniels, great to see you. say hi to your family and to your wife. we'll be right back. with the spark miles card from capital one,
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hernandez's cell phone and home security system were both damaged when police arrived at the house to question hernandez. si.com is reporting that hernandez will likely be arrested although it's not clear to all what he might be charged with. >> weird. we have a close call to report above jfk airport. the faa is investigating the near miss between two aircraft back on june 13th. in a statement, the agency says a delta 747 lost the required amount of separation with a shuttle america embraer flight leaving laguardia. the delta flight missed its approach and ended up traveling in the same direction as the shuttle america plane. a source tells nbcnewyork.com that the planes came as close as 100 feet to each other. the faa has yet to confirm the details. that's close, right, rattner? >> that's close. not so good. up next, how a mom of three kids rewrote the rules when it comes to taking care of kids.
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chief marketing officer of angie's list, angie hicks. it's really great to meet you and have you on the show. you started this how many years ago? >> 18. >> right out of college? >> right out of college, first job. >> what a great idea. first job and only job? >> yeah. >> i'm already jealous. i mean, i have to say. what made you think of it right out of college? >> well, my co-founder was having trouble renovating a house in columbus, ohio, and we thought there should be a better way for consumers to share information with each other on the service companies are providing because it's really hard to gather information on a local handyman. >> it's so basic and so obvious and so fantastic. >> one of the simplest ideas. >> from 18 years ago to today, what's the status of your company? how has it grown? >> today we're nationwide. we cover 200 of the top cities in the u.s., have over 2 million paid households across the country. >> that's not bad. and you're headed to the white
house next week. >> later today actually. >> later today. >> going down for the small business administration's small business week. >> okay. because we're looking at how we can help small businesses grow, and they're hitting a lot of stumbling blocks, and you've been looking at this as well. what do you think the major stumbling blocks are, especially for startups? >> i think it's getting your idea out there, feeling like you can take a leap and start your business, and then also keeping back -- keeping focused on customer service. i talked about a lot of local service companies obviously. i've been telling them, with the economy in the state that it's been, it's time to get back to basics and do exactly what you promiseded to do because, as one plumber pointed out to me, there will always be plumbers. and my goal is to be the best one because i'll survive. >> there you go. >> i'm trying to think what the batting average could be of internet ideas born in 1995. >> there weren't internet ideas
in 1995. we were a call-in service in a magazine. it was pre-web days. you're exactly right. we put our website up in 1999. >> so what was your secret? >> i think for us it was really focusing on getting really high quality information from consumers. we don't allow dishonest reviews on the site. and being able to adapt. obviously, going online was a huge transition for the business, but we viewed it as just another way for us to get information to our consumers. >> and your revenue is advertising? >> consumers pay to be a part of angie's list, and highly rated companies who have "a" or "b" ratings are eligible to advertise but have to keep that rating. >> it's interesting, when you were talking about the challenges for small business, you didn't mention two things that people often talk about. one is can't get financing, not enough money around, and the second is the government. people always seem to complain about the government, especially when it comes to starting a small business. >> health care. >> give us a sense, as we -- the wheat from the chaff.
what are the real problems in those areas, and what are people just complaining? >> part of it is we talk a lot about licensure for angie's list. for a lot of these home improvement businesses, that's a big topic for them. making sure that there's really licensing. it actually requires something other than just paying dues to be licensed is important. on the health care front, i think it's just getting clarity on the health front. i think a lot of companies are just unsure how it's going to impact their business. the sooner, i think, we can get clarity for them, i think that's going to be helpful as well. >> you were at the third metric conference that we had. >> i was. >> i love your preinterview. you're a mother of three kids. setting priorities -- for example, when i'm not traveling, my goal is to be home by 6:00. when you're not traveling. you travel for a living, right? >> i try to limit my travel too. >> so you even do that? >> i only travel once or twice a month. i try to stay real disciplined
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good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west. as you take a look at new york city. welcome back to "morning joe." back with us on set, we have john meachem, harold ford jr., eugene washington, and in washington, "the washington post," neil irwin. the house did it. they all agreed. it looked like something was going to happen. maybe it did. they came together and demonstrated democracy at work,
they found common ground on a routine farm bill. here is nancy pelosi talking about the outcome. >> what is happening on the floor today was a demonstration of major amateur hour. they didn't get results. and they put the blame on somebody else. if we ever came to you when we had the majority and said we didn't pass the bill because we didn't get enough republican votes well, you know, that's really, it's silly, it's sad, it's juvenile, it's unprofessional, it's amateur hour. >> apparently not. minority leader pelosi bashing republicans for failing to get the legislation passed. the gop is blaming democrats for yesterday's surprise defeat. a look at the vote count shows it's not quite that cut and dry. 62 members of the gop broke ranks with their own party leaders to knock down the legislation. many in the conservative wing said the measure was too expensive.
democrats opposed the planned cuts to the food stamp program. they had agreed till they stopped agreeing. for just the farm bill. >> unbelievable. here we are, you've got, again, a congress with a 10% approval rating. a house that doesn't talk ton the senate. capitol hill that didn't really deal with the president well. it's so dysfunctional. in this case, what makes it so difficult for republicans in the house is this is the second year, specifically for john boehner this is the second year in a row they haven't been able to pass a farm bill. you can pass a farm bill without any democrats. in this case, you had some democrats agreeing with you. what a stinging indictment for john boehner, as speaker of the house, that he just can't pass basic bills. and i think it points to a larger problem, how dysfunctional. >> since we have a caucus here
almost with -- >> medicated caucus? >> unmedicated. emily's working on that. we're going to see you later. isn't this a failure of the system if you get to the floor? why bring it to the floor? or is it an amateur hour where they didn't know? >> it's capture hour. you never put a -- you rememberremember er everybody that thinks they know everything about being a lawyer, always gives you advice before law school? and they go, "remember, perry mason never asked a question where he didn't know the answer first." well, that's the case. i had a lot problems with newt gingrich as speaker. i had a lot of problems with tom delay as whip. but they didn't do this. if they brought something to the floor, they made sure they had the vote. on a farm bill like this, they
would have known, i was going to vote against the farm bill. if you're paying farmers to not plant crops. but they would have compensated for that. they wouldn't have been blindsided. harold ford, this isn't washington being disfurngsal so much as it is the house gop leadership just got blindsided in a way you should never be blindsided. >> it's even more fascinating when you consider republicans have in the house talked about the hastert rule being the hindrance to them bringing up immigration. john boehner, who i like, got beat up by his own caucus for suggesting he would bring immigration to the floor without having a majority of republicans. to have this happen shortly after that conversation i think is more stinging. i don't know of a time when tom delay, as much as i disagree with him, there was never a time when he brought a bill to the
floor for consideration that he either didn't have the votes for or he didn't keep the vote open long enough to win enough votes. i remember the famous/infamous prescription drug bill, expansion of medicare. >> medicare part d, yeah. >> late early morning, 3:00 in the morning we were there till. >> you know who else wouldn't bring the bill without the votes is nancy pelosi, you know, if she brought a bill and she -- she was guaranteeing those 218 votes. she got them every time. >> how do you think this happened, joe? >> you know, there has been this sort of urban legend around a variety of bills. one, background checks. 70 or 80 votes in the senate, which they couldn't get 60, then the house will pass. now we're hearing, if this immigration bill passes with
enough bipartisan support in the senate, well then it will pass the house because they'll be shamed into passing it. the fact is, first of all, i don't think the immigration bill is going to pass the house in its current form. secondly, this farm bill was a great example. you had an overwhelming support for this farm bill over in the senate. and it didn't pass the house. i think people that think that immigration's going to pass if you get 65, 70, senate votes on the immigration reform bill are whistling past the -- >> they had agreed on it. you know what kind of damage that does within the negotiating halls of washington, to have a deal and then to surprisingly have it flushed down the toilet like that. it further hurts whatever they've got going that's not working for them. >> i have to be clear. i actually would have voted no on this bill. i'm not even talking about ideology. this is about --
>> function. >> and the house leadership does not have competence right now on counting votes. this is a real embarrassment. >> all right, let's move on to the markets. global markets stabilized overnight after a two-day sell-off that has just about everybody a little rattled. stocks, bonds and commodity prices were down. a sign global investors may not share the say confidence in the u.s. economic recovery. state side the dow, s&p and nasdaq dropped 2%. the largest one day decline since november of 2011. over the past two days, wiped out all of its gains since may. we have neil here with us. i don't know where we start. i guess we could start with the stock market. how people should be trying to get their arms around this. jump out, stay in. we haven't seen anything like this before -- in quite some
time. >> we need to figure out -- "the wall street journal" writing investors may actually be on crack. the provider of the crack are the central bankers. neil, let me ask. as you see these markets go down. because bernanke is suddenly saying we're going to stop pumping billions into the economy. is it possible we've gone from a tech bubble to a housing bubble to a fed bubble? >> it's absolutely a risk. this is the real question. is this easing, all this billions of dollars that the federal reserve has printed, have they created a real enduring economic expansion? can housing exist? can housing keep recovering even without ultracheap money. can the stock market keep rising without ultracheap money. that's the bet bernanke's been
making. the question is, is the bet going to pull off, or will all that collapse and we'll end up in the mess we were five years ago. >> tell me, isn't it the case, neil, that when fed, former fed chairman alan greenspan retired, he was absolutely pummeled because of all the cheap money that was out there that allowed the housing bubble to explode? isn't it the case that even since greenspan has let, we've actually become more liberal with our monetary supply as far as pumping even more money into the monetary supply? i mean, money has been basically free for investors and businesses for the past several years. >> you know, it's true. the fed balance sheet is $3.5 trillion. it was $800 billion when bernanke took office. but that's the circumstances we've been in. we've been in something close to a depression. we've been in this very chloe recovery. we're down to 10.5%
unemployment. that's what you do. you pump money into the economy. try and get housing going. the question is can we now survive without that. do we have the underlying strength in the economy? again, housing. that was based on 3.5% mortgage rates. will that survive at 4.5%, 6% mortgage rates. we just don't know that yet. >> what scares me, jegene robinson, we've had over the past decade, we've had two wars, which is supposed to be strip lative because you spend a lot of money, gene robinson, obviously, on military equipment. that help s people across america. but we've had two wars. we've had two tax cuts. we've had record deficits under george w. bush. record deficits under obama.
plus unprecedented monetary easing by the fed, by bernanke and our economy still stumbling along. this probably is the third bubble we've had. where's the underlying growth? >> my question, where is the underlying growth in the world? because one of the things that was spooking the markets are the signs that the chinese economy is slowing. well, that's what we could count on, was china was going to grow at 10% or 9% or 8% a year, at minimum. if there is underlying weakness in what is now the world's second largest economy, some day will be the largest, that ain't good for all the rest of us. europe's worst off than we are. so one understands why investors are nervous.
bernanke saying, well, i think we're going to start siphoning off some of this froth is, you know, threw everybody off the cliff. >> some underlying growth, we look at the enormous geographic pitch vote that's taken place in the united states that's allowed for greater energy production. whether you're a fan or not, you can't deny it's created jobs. been one of the great shining signs in the economy. i thing one of the things congress can do is tax reform. neil, you were con sttemplating what may or may not happen. does the evidence with our markets and what's happening abroad, does it suggest maybe the language from bernanke, that they may pull back some bond purchases? can we take that fully to mean they will or do you think they will now rethink that position in light of how markets are reacting? >> that's a very good point. it's a kind of self-regulating
thing. if they take off the training wheels and the bike starts to fall over, they might put them back on. if this negative reaction to their actions causes the housing market to stumble again, they won't do it. that's what he said over and over. we will be data dependent. if the data supports pull pging away the stimulus, than they'll do it. they can't just buy bonds forever. at some point, inflation will become a problem. >> all right, in other news, former congressman anthony weiner is doing some damage control after an incident on the campaign trail in his run for mayor of new york city. according to a piece in "the washington post" that's also on the front page of the greater new york section of "the wall street journal," the democrat was looking for signatures to get on the ballot when a voter said she would not be voting for what's her name and then used a
slur, a gay slur. it was an apparent reference to city council speaker christine quinn, a lesbian, who's looking to become the city's first female mayor. after weiner heard that comment, he reportedly said, okay, quote, i just need you to sign the petition to get me on the ballot. after he noticed the reaction of the reporter that was there did he add this quote, you really shouldn't talk that way about people. when later asked about the exchange, he said this, homophobia is vile and destructive and something i've fought against for the entirety my career including being a vocal supporter of gay marriage. i admonished the woman and by no means believe that anything about her comment was appropriate. behavior like this will absolutely not be tolerated in my administration. joe. >> yeah, you know, this is, we
can expand this beyond weiner. this happened time and time again on campaign trails. it reminds you of that old saying, we've all heard character is what happens when nobody's watching. you're working on the biography of george h.w. bush. the last gentleman. i remember 1988 when bush was getting absolutely hammered as being a wimp, a friend started talking about what he saw when he campaigned -- when nobody was looking back in the 1960s. said he went to a west texas donor who would have been an absolute coup for him and the guy let a racial slur out in a small office outside of an oil field where nobody was watching. said george bush closed his briefcase, said this meeting's
over, went to his car and drove all the way back to houston, drove home. that wasn't told for well over a decade, but that's the sort of thing we want in our politicians. all too often, they're like anthony weiner, they only respond when the cameras are on. >> i think that's right. i think george h.w. bush is a terrific example of someone who, as much as anyone i know of in politics or in history, the same to your face as he was behind your back. >> coming up, can junk food end obesity? come on now. it's david freeman's new cover story. in "the atlantic." no, it doesn't. he's going to try to come on this set and explain to me how science's engineering healthy fast food. i'm interested.
we'll get dr. nancy snyderman's take. now straight to bill with a check on the weather. some violent weather in canada. >> the stuff in canada was bad up in calgary. up to 100,000 people evacuated. the city just a mess with the water. we have our own problems down across the border. areas of minnesota, now wisconsin. naec nasty line of thunderstorms. we're watching green bay and milwaukee and areas around the quad cities. you could possibly be next. a lot of lightning with that too. in the midwest and northern plains, a chance of severe weather. and the fire weather is worst. yesterday, 19 large fires to start the day. we ended up with 26 by the evening. seven new large fires reported. mostly in rural areas of the west. let me take you through your first summer weekend forecast. east coast is looking fantastic by the way. gorgeous weather. very stormy up through the northern plains. as we head into saturday, strong storms continue. chicago, minneapolis. most of those should be during
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i was wondering where willie was. i was about to find out. and then our life shot, this is so dangerous, what's happening. we can't even get a live connection. now i'm told it's back up. this weekend the man known as the flying walenda is set to make his highest tight rope attempt ever walking across the grand canyon on a steel cable 1,500 feet above the ground. the high wire act will air live this sunday june 23rd on the discovery channel. it's hosted by our own willie geist, there he is, and natalie morales. my god, willie, i feel sick thinking about it. >> i'm feeling pretty brave
right now because i'm ten feet from the edge of the grand canyon. >> one false move. >> this is nothing for this guy. he will step on to this wire on sunday, live. nick -- we'll set the dimensions. about a quarter of a mile. 1500 feet off the ground. the height of the empire state building. any second thoughts? >> just excited. i wish the wire was across so i could get on it right now. i hope i'm not known as the flying wallenda, more as the walking wallenda. >> this is the actual wire. this is only about 2, 2 1/2 inches in diameter. >> it's 2 inches. normally i walk on a cable 5'85 inch thick. to change that last minute. well, not last minute. but to not be prepared, very
unique, very uncomfortable. >> but you have been prepared. >> i actually try to be on the wire five days a week. in training with wind machines. with wind gusts of 52 miles per hour. >> the part of this walk that's getting so much attention is the fact that you're not wearing a tether. >> which is funny to me because i've never worn a tether till niagara falls. >> there's nothing connecting you to this wire. some people speculate a parachute -- >> i wouldn't know what the heck to do with a parachute. i've trained my whole life to stay up in the sky, not fall out the sky, so i've never sky jumped, can't relate to that. i was, like, never again. >> you have lost family members. carl wallenda, your great grand
father. you also have an uncle who is paralyzed from one of these stunts. >> everything i do, i do to pay tribute to my great grandfather. the wire was rigged improperly. he was 73 and shouldn't have been on the wire, to be honest. he is my hero. but honestly, we've learned. there's a time to retire. >> you have trained for this. there are some unknowns. things you couldn't train for in your backyard. what concerns you the most? >> it's mother nature. it's the wind. i've walked the full length backwards just to prepare mentally and know that i'll be able to make it across. the winds are just unknown. there's a lot of updrafts. there's a lot of side drafts. a lot of gusty winds. >> so wind right now. earlier this week there were 40 mile per hour winds here. could you even walk in that condition?
>> i could. i've walked in my hope town of sarasota in 91-mile-per-hour winds last week. so there is a cutoff point. my father's my head safety coordinator. he's the one that will make that call of whether i can go or not. >> it's an incredible spectacle. the sun has just come up here. it's truly breathtaking. we'll be there, sunday night, 8:00 eastern time, 5:00 pacific, live on discovery. nick wallenda crossing the grand canyon. no man has done it before. no tether, no net, no nothing. >> just nick and the wire. >> we're going to talk to you. i have a couple questions. i'm just going to hold my breath and ask you them on monday. that's such a beautiful shot. if you could just move back a few feet, i just want to see. just back up a little bit. >> if you saw how close i was, this is about as close as i'm going to get. >> can you pan over to it the
edge? yeah. >> 1500 feet down from right there. >> all right. all right. >> we'll power lives on the line. >> there's a movie out now about george plimton and participatory journalism. >> let me stop you right there. >> -- and see whether you're -- >> we've got a two-foot piece of this wire that's six inches off the ground and neither of us could make it across. >> all right. my god. all right. best of luck to all of you. willie, thank you very much. dangerous, dangerous. almost as dangerous as being here. >> stupid actually. a little stupid. a little crazy. >> i have a lot of questions. i'll wait till monday. i'm superstitious. let's go to brian.
you've become our russell brand correspondent because i can't speak his name without getting a million hate notes. >> just don't call him willie. >> i did not do that. >> there is news related to russell brand beyond his appearance on the show. his tour, the messiah complex, the british media says they're canceled in the middle east because of security concerns. basically the promoters couldn't guarantee his safety. he had planned to take the messiah complex to abu dhabi where it was going to launch and then lebanon. >> we had a crazy time here. we don't usually -- it's sort of -- wow. that's fine. and he -- he was really you know what, it was fun, it was fun. we both kind of -- well, he went off the rails, i'll say that. >> it was unique television. he was fine. but his fans apparently -- >> i thought he was fine with me. i was fine with him. >> i watched the tape. i thought you were fine with
him. i thought his comments about you and your little green bothle were -- >> well, that -- yeah. i mean, i don't know what to say except i will say this, i've never seen a reaction like the one we've gotten. everyone thinks that we didn't know what was going on or something. >> that somehow he was satirizing the news business based on this eight minute news interview. >> i thought we were satirizing him and he was satirizing us and that was great television. >> i think that's what happened. >> it was meta-meta. >> 6 1/2 million hits later, i think he's happy with the result. >> it's too bad the tour was canceled for safety concerns. it was nice to meet him. >> we'll get him back on the show when he comes through new york. >> okay, sure, that would be good. i hope -- he's not mad. >> we'll find out. >> he's not. he's not. all right, coming up, the story behind this amazing video. a little boy born deaf here's his father's voice for the first time.
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33 past the hour. the ex-parental technique is giving a little boy an opportunity he would not have had just a few years ago. the ability to hear it the moment was captured on video. nbc's kate snow has the story. >> reporter: 3-year-old grayson was back for a checkup. he was born with a host of medical issues. open heart surgery as an infant. vision loss. no auditor nerves in either ear. about four weeks ago after a groundbreaking surgery little grayson heard his dad's voice for the very first time. >> daddy loves you. daddy loves you. daddy -- >> yes. >> can you hear daddy? >> mop nicole was shooting the video. >> when they turned that thing on and it worked, he responded to that sound, it was like just a weight was lifted off me. because it was just a long road getting there. >> nicole and len are high school sweethearts who adopted
grayson out of foster care. >> he's a really smart little kid. he's got a lot going on in that brain of his that he wants to get out. and he wants to tell us. and you can tell that. and he just hasn't really been able to. >> i can hear myself. >> weem seen technology help others. the viral video of that indescribable moment when a person hears for the very first time. >> it's exciting. >> this is a milestone. grayson's inplant requires brain surgery and he's the first child to receive one as part of an fda approved trial. the whole family's world has been turned upside down. grayson's drawn to live music and the radio. mom nicole hopes one day soon he'll start using words. >> my deeps for him is he will develop intelligible speech and be able to function independently. pretty much what any mom wants for their little boy. >> yes. >> they feel blessed to be the
first. and hope other children will experience that say joy. >> daddy loves you. >> that is bull. joining the table, nbc news chief medical editor dr. nancy snyderman. that's incredible. >> it is. it's sort of the next step of the cochlear implant where the nerves that go to the brain from the inner ear, when they're not forre eformed, you have to stimulate the brain directory. he hears sound for the first time but now he has to figure out the sound and interpret it appropriately. >> that was cool to watch. we'll get to this, junk food, but first, the hpv vaccine. >> it's been around since 2006. >> teenage girls get three shots. >> and it protects against the strains of hpv that cause cancer. they found in girls 13 to 17 there's a 56% drop in infection
in girls. so this a perfect case. where vaccinating preteens drops the hpv prevalence which means that when they grow up, their chances of getting cancer are less. >> you ever seen these results this quickly? >> no, it's really great. >> amazing. >> now on to our story from "the atlantic." contributor for the "the atlantic" david freeman. he writes how junk food can end obesity. he writes awe of the railing about fat, sugar and salt engineered into industrial junk food might lead one to infer that wholesome food substances less. but clearly you can take in obscene quantities of fat and problem carbs while eating wholesomely. to judge by what's sold at wholesome stores and restaurants, many people do. the fact is, there's no evidence
that any aspect of food processing or storage makes a food uniquely unhealthy. the u.s. population does not suffer from a critical lack of any nutrient because we eat so much processed food. you're already turning everything i think about, david, upside down. the cure for obesity has to do with junk food. why don't you give me a little bit more information pertaining to that thesis? >> sure. first of all, look, too much fat, sugar and salt, it's not good, wherever you're getting it. you can get it in wholesome food. we need to cut down on that. the real question is for people who are obese, how do we get them eating healthier food so they can lose the weight? look, you can tell them all you want. eat more vegetables. eat fresh produce. don't eat at mcdonald's. it's not going to happen. many obese people, probably most, can't afford to eat unprocessed foods. and they don't like it.
they don't want it. we're kind of stuck with junk food. the fact is we can make healthier junk food. mcdonald's makes now and can make a lot more of perfectly delicious cheap convenient food that has less fat, less sugar, less salt, and let's get them selling more of it and let's get them to push it harder to people who really need it. >> it's a very provocative article. there was a lot i agreed with. is junk food good for you? no. is it here to stay? yes. can you make healthy choices? i don't want to call out any one line of great stores. but whole foods has been -- >> wholesome eating store. >> have you walked through the part of whole foods where you can get food to go? that's a heart attack on a plate. you want to walk by their pizza area? it's crazy. whole foods, meaning whole oranges, whole avocados. i think there's a lot of credence to this. >> their food to go is heavy. >> crazy heavy.
>> i think -- i actually noticed that. i was like, i can't -- how do i make -- this saul really -- >> there aren't a lot of good choices once you walk back to the prepared food section. i think you can shop as intelligently in mcdonald's if you pick a wrap or in whole foods. >> i'll bring david back in. when you walk into a mcdonald's, you're smelling the fries. >> you know what they taste like. >> i know they're making changes. i know the mcdonald's today isn't the mcdonald's i went to every day as a teenager. but as long as those foods are there, aren't americans going to buy them? aren't there kind of scientific reasons why? >> yes, as a matter of fact, those foods push all the right buttons in our brains. evolution has made sure that we're really attracted to those fatty sweet foods with all kinds of bad carbs. so it's a real problem. but actually there's a lot that
food companies can do. they're starting to do some of it. where they can give foods a lot of the taste of fat and sweet and salt but they don't actually have as much of that stuff in it. so mcdonald's knows how to cut down on fat. they know how to cut down on sugar and still produce some of those same smells. you can't really play a lot with fresh produce. but there's a lot you can do with produce, with processed food to make it healthier. >> the interesting thing, i think -- in fact, i know that the processed food companies, the so t the soft drink companies, they know they're the new tobacco. >> they're getting ready. >> we know the brain chemistry can be changed by sugar and by fat. >> you can retrain your taste buds. >> at the end of the day, what we found in new york, there's a limit to how far consumers will go in allowing the government to regulate this and regulate that.
doesn't this ultimately have to be consumer driven? doesn't this have to be people going to mcdonald's and saying i want something with less salt, i want something with less fat? >> i think all of medicine is now increasingly becoming consumer driven. can government make everything right? no. if it could, we wouldn't see the obesity epidemic we have. i think food companies will listen to people. >> obesity seen by the ama as a disease plays into that. >> the last week the ama says obesity is a disease. you can now say, i have obesity. does it mean there's prevention? i think the answer's yes. >> social implication, as well. the cover story in the new issue of "the atlantic." "the cure for obesity." thank you very much. fascinating. dr. nancy snyderman, thank you. up next, it is business headlines. "morning joe" back in a moment. is like hammering.
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business before the bell now with cnbc's brian sullivan. i guess we know where the top story is for you this morning. >> it's the markets. thankfully on this first day of summer, a friday heading into the weekend, things are looking a little better. the last two days have been ugly. the dow tumbling more than 300 points yesterday. it's on the back of concern about what the federal reserve is going to do. are they going to slow down bond buying purchases? faster, slower? the reality is this, some people are criticizing bernanke for the way he handled it. in my opinion, he's between a rock and a hard place. so the markets are down. listen, can't go up every day so a little drop perhaps not the end of the world. two other stories for you. tesla, you know, people say oh, i'd love a tesla but i can't, you know, recharge my car fast enough. yesterday it showed off a
battery swap technology that takes 90 seconds. they compared it to a guy filling up with gas. it was faster than filling your car up. that's a genius company, i much say. >> would you get me a tesla? >> sure, when's your birthday? >> i just had it, 46, i need a tesla. >> now you can get it in velvet. comes in fabric. and another boeing 787 dreamliner was diverted. it had to land because of a problem. and i want to leave you with a question, because i heard your previous conversation. i think it's probably the most important topic in america right now. my whole thing is it's not why health care costs so much, it's why do we need so much health care. do you know americans, we know we are the heaviest industrialized nation in the world. did you also know we spend the least percent of our income on food at just 6.8%? >> no, i did not.
>> almost half the next lowest nation. >> part of that is probably because we have more income. in other words, we spend more money -- >> it's a percentage of income. >> that's my point. in dollars we may not spend less. >> the point is, 6% of kids were obese when i was born in 1971. now it's 25. although i will say this, acc d according to the government's bmi, i am grotesquely obese at 6'4", 240. >> i didn't want to tell you, but you know -- >> yeah, it's all right. >> you're lucky you're other there at 30 roc. >> we'll work on it, i'll help you. cn cnbc's brian sullivan, thank you. up next, the "morning joe" week in review. let's get the ball rolling.
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>> on the no socks front, i was like 12 years ahead of that. i came to new york and people were being mowing me. you just don't shave for a couple weeks. >> it's distinguished. graying in places. he looks so wise, doesn't he? >> a lot of times when he's in washington, few people know it. he's dressed like that from the waist up, boxers. from the waist down, he could be walking around the jersey shore in a speedo. >> we don't want to supple the people of the jersey shore to any more tragedy. >> you're going to like the way you look. i guarantee it. >> he's the founder of the men's warehouse. well, now he's been fired by the very company he built. >> what? >> it's just so interesting. everything you have to say. >> what are you talking about? >> claire used to not like me
but i think she does now. >> i always liked you, i just was irritated by you. >> i haven't changed. i'm the same joe manchin i've always been. the leadership of the nra in washington has changed. >> putin yesterday, stealing his wedding ring, slouched, acting dition interested. >> putin is always flexing. >> i'm speaking specifically to mika. who i'm proud to say laid on my bed at the recreational, laid on the ceiling -- >> and saw the mirror up there. >> i said, i need to leave the room. >> these people i'm sure, it's typically very good. you're conveying news to the peep of america. people of america, we're going to be okay. everything's all right. these are your trusted anchors. coming in tomorrow with a big necklace and an open -- >> what do you think that gesture means, the way you're touching that bowl, what does that indicate? what's the subtext of that? >> i think we have to go to
break. >> you have to lose that ring because it don't mean nothing to you. >> i'm in arianna huffington's bed. shut up. let somebody else speak for a second. glazing and glazinger. it's a new law firm. >> this has been quite a thrill. i was hoping for champagne. >> pillow talk with mika. it could be a new thing. >> maybe katie after hours. >> ooh, that's good. >> looking at that, i learned we went off the rails. just a tiny bit. that's okay. summer's begun. john, what have you learned? >> mike allen's birthday, russell brand has a devoted following. >> devoted. >> which we're not sure about the balance level. >> yesterday joe torre's daughter saved a baby. turns out something like this happens every day. this one is in china. it's like five stories.
>> no, no, no. >> dangling out the window. >> they got her and she's okay. >> what is going on with parents right now? >> it's a parenting thing. >> i watched that russell brand video. i learned you have nothing to apologize for. >> thank you very much. >> i want to say something about an important member of the "morning joe family." ann lost her best friend, beloved chloe, this week. we love you. we just wanted to tip our hat to you and how amazing you are and send our best to everybody in your life. it's now time for "the daily rundown" with peter alexander filling in for chuck todd. have a great weekend, everyone. down on the farm. a surprising defeat for speaker john boehner as the farm bill fails after two years of negotiations with both parties point fingers at the other. big question, now about whether lawmakers can get a deal done on anything. privacy patrol. new